O’Reilly Slams NYTimes and NBC News for 'Disgusting Display of Propaganda and Outright Lies'


On Wednesday’s The O’Reilly Factor, during the show’s "Talking Points Memo," FNC host Bill O’Reilly slammed the New York Times and NBC News, presumably referring to MSNBC hosts like Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow, accusing them of having "damaged their own country in a disgusting display of propaganda and outright lies" by "convincing the world that the USA is a nation of torture, a country that sadistically inflicts pain on both the innocent and the guilty." O’Reilly further attacked the "insane call for fishing expeditions to find something that will lead to prosecuting the President and Vice President," and added that he "despises, despises those who, in the name of ideology, want to weaken the country, putting us all in danger," and charged that doing so would be "un-American."

O’Reilly then hosted a discussion with FNC military analyst retired Colonel David Hunt and, to argue the liberal point-of-view, FNC analyst Bob Beckel, and Hunt contended that he had used "coerced interrogation" in the past that had "saved guys' lives."

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BILL O'REILLY: You yourself used coerced interrogation in the field, did you not?

RETIRED COLONEL DAVID HUNT: Yeah, twice. ... I did it twice. I'm not proud of it. It was necessary. I'm glad we did it. It saved guys' lives. We found out what we wanted.

O’Reilly went on to call the U.S. military, with Hunt’s agreement, "the most restrained military in the history of warfare in this Iraq conflict."

Below is a complete transcript of the segment from the Wednesday, January 14, The O’Reilly Factor on FNC:

BILL O’REILLY: Hi, I'm Bill O'Reilly. Thanks for watching us tonight. Tearing the country apart over the Bush-Cheney anti-terror policies, that is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."

The far left media has succeeded in convincing the world that the USA is a nation of torture, a country that sadistically inflicts pain on both the innocent and the guilty. Well, these people at the New York Times and NBC News should be very proud. They've damaged their own country in a disgusting display of propaganda and outright lies. It all began with Abu Ghraib. The story featured more than 50 times on the front page of the New York Times. The abuses at Abu Ghraib were revolting and unacceptable. The soldiers that committed those crimes shamed their country and their uniforms. That is the truth.

But where was the perspective, ladies and gentlemen? 99 percent of American military people have performed brilliantly under tremendous pressure. There has not been a fighting force in world history that has been as restrained under enormous pressure as our military has been. But does the world understand that? Yeah, mistakes were made at Guantanamo Bay and other places while suspected terrorists were being interrogated. And every one of those mistakes should be examined, but those things happen in every war by every nation.

Again, the far left press is treating America like a pinata, whacking it at every opportunity because they don't like Bush and Cheney. Now, there's an insane call for fishing expeditions to find something that will lead to prosecuting the President and Vice President. Again, this is poison, a destructive act toward America. Bush and Cheney protected Americans after 9/11, and they did it fast. So mistakes were inevitable. But they stopped the killing on American soil, did they not? To his credit, President-elect Obama wants no part of the radical left jihad to tear the country down. He says he's looking forward. And that is the smart thing to do. But "Talking Points" despises, despises those who, in the name of ideology, want to weaken the country, putting us all in danger. As loyal Americans, we owe the benefit of the doubt to leaders in the time of war. And both Bush and Cheney say flat out they did their duty.

GEORGE W. BUSH CLIP #1, FROM CNN’S LARRY KING LIVE: We don't torture.

BUSH CLIP #2: You capture Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, he's the guy that ordered the September 11th attacks. And we want to know what he knows in order to protect the United States of America. And I got legal opinions that said whatever we're going to do was legal.

DICK CHENEY, FROM FNC’S SPECIAL REPORT WITH BRIT HUME: And we were very careful in terms of how we proceeded to make certain that we had the authority that was needed to do what we did. The idea at this stage that you'd go back and try to prosecute somebody for that, I think is not sound.

O'REILLY: It's also un-American. Finally, all Americans want the economy fixed, and their families kept safe from terror killers. That should be Obama's primary focus. Those who continue to run this country down, and divert attention from those things should be condemned by the rest of us, condemned. And we're going to name names coming up in the future, ladies and gentlemen. It's going to stop right now. And that' s the "Memo." Now for the top story tonight, reaction to this. Joining us from Washington, Democrat and Fox News analyst Bob Beckel. And from Boston, Fox News military analyst Colonel David Hunt. All right, Colonel, how do you see it?

RETIRED COLONEL DAVID HUNT, FOX NEWS MILITARY ANALYST: Well, I think that there are six or seven cases where we actually tortured somebody. And I think it was necessary at the time. I think the problem is that we didn't admit to it. And all the problems have come up now. I think we should take a look at how we fought this war the last seven years, not to prosecute, but to learn how to fight it better. My complaint has been competency, not the legality issue. We're in a war. Bad things happen at war. Not a lot of them have happened in this war. But our problem has been the way our government has approached some of those mistakes.

O'REILLY: Okay. You yourself used coerced interrogation in the field, did you not?

HUNT: Yeah, twice. I-

O'REILLY: No, you don't have to go any further than that. You don't have to go any further.

HUNT: Yeah, I did it twice. I'm not proud of it. It was necessary. I'm glad we did it. It saved guys' lives. We found out what we wanted. It’s something-

O'REILLY: Would you do it again?

HUNT: Yeah, I would.

O'REILLY: What would you think about somebody wanting to put you in jail for what you did?

HUNT: I think that's the way that the country, both these cases, by the way, I had to turn myself in. The point is-

O'REILLY: But you weren't prosecuted. And you didn't, you weren't on the front page of the New York Times?

HUNT: No, no, not the, those were a long time ago. But what I'm trying to get at, I'm not the story here. The truth, what happened is, happening is that's the danger you take when you're in the field making decisions. But usually, always to save somebody else's life, your guys.

O'REILLY: Okay, but you are the story. You are the story because you were trying to protect American lives. And you did what you felt you had to do. And you say you'd do it again. And you did prevent deaths from happening, okay?

HUNT: Sure.

O'REILLY: That is the story, Colonel. That's the story. Is it not, Mr. Beckel?

BOB BECKEL: Well, first of all, look, we don't need to go back through what happened at Abu Ghraib and the rest of these things, and Guantanamo. The Bush administration's own person, this woman Crawford decided that there was, in fact, torture at Guantanamo. She's not going to prosecute these people. But look, the question now is, looking forward, does prosecuting people after the fact help or hurt in future conflicts of protecting the country? My point about it is, look, I'm a very liberal guy. I don't like what happened, but I don't think it's necessary for us to think about prosecuting George Bush or Dick Cheney. I will, however, say that if you make the determination that you cannot protect Americans, which they clearly did, and take steps which are clearly beyond the Geneva Convention, then let's not be a part of the Geneva Convention. Simply say we can't do it.

O'REILLY: I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you. And I said to President Bush when I talked to him last time, I pushed him hard. And you guys may remember that. And what exactly are you guys doing in the name of the American people? You need to tell us. And Bush told me no, I'm not going to give the enemy the advantage of knowing what we are capable of doing in interrogation. That was his answer, but I pushed him hard on it. But you, Bob Beckel, when you hear Congressman Conyers, others in the Democratic party say, oh, we've got to go now and investigate all these people, and if they did anything wrong, put them in jail. What do you say to Congressman Conyers?

BECKEL: Well, what I say to Congressman Conyers is we got a lot of things to worry about here. And one of the things we got to keep in mind is the people making the decisions, writing the legal briefs on this thing, were people, frankly, like Gonzales who wasn't competent to do it, were people around Dick Cheney who were doing it for their own means. But I'll tell you what I would do. I'm not being trite about this. If I were Barack Obama, I would issue a pardon to George Bush and Dick Cheney and say-

O'REILLY: No, I wouldn't do that because that implies from Obama that they did something wrong. And I think-

BECKEL: Well, they did, though. No, but they did. But they did.

O'REILLY: No, that's a matter, that’s a matter of debate. And it has not been proven that they broke any laws at all. So I'm not buying that for a minute. Now, Colonel Hunt-

BECKEL: Well, but-

O'REILLY: Colonel, wait a minute, wait a minute. Colonel Hunt?

HUNT: Yes.

O'REILLY: Aren't I right when I say that the far left press in this country, led by the New York Times and NBC News, has convinced the world that the U.S. military are a bunch torture people, we’re a bad place, and it's indiscriminate chaos in this area. Aren't I right in saying that?

HUNT: Well, the New York Times, you know what you get. They have not been helpful. They've been derogatory towards soldiers.

O'REILLY: No, all right, but Pakistan doesn't know what we get with them. See, our image has been damaged in the world by these liars over there.

HUNT: It's true, but they've been, the problem though, it’s true, the other part is it’s those lies are being fed by government officials with clearances who should know better. And then the Times and others have reported them. It has not helped us in the war on terror at all. There's no question.

O'REILLY: Isn’t it insulting, isn't it insulting, Colonel, to the military, to have that perception about them, when I believe they're the most restrained military in the history of warfare in this Iraq conflict. Isn't it insulting?

HUNT: Yeah, it's been a great military. They've conducted themselves extremely well. And in a court, it's absolutely insulting-

O'REILLY: All right.

HUNT: -and I talked to the guys in the field-

O'REILLY: Good, I'm glad you agree with me on that.

BECKEL: Can I ask-

O'REILLY: No, no, no. Bob, you can't ask anybody anything, but I am going to give you the last word. I got 20 seconds. Go.

BECKEL: My last word is that we still have the fact that the general counsel to the Army under Ronald Reagan has made a determination that there was torture. And somehow or another, without punishing people who had, under difficult circumstances, had to do things, we need to get this clarified so in the future people know what they're doing, it’s legal or not legal.

O'REILLY: Bob, it happened one time, according to that woman, one time. Okay, Bob, it's not across the board. We're not a terror nation.

BECKEL: I didn't say it was. I did not say it was.

O'REILLY: Okay, one time! One time! All right, gentlemen, I'm getting a little emotional, so I got to pull back now. And we thank you very much. We'll have more on this with Dennis Miller coming up.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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As BOR said...Bush and

As BOR said...Bush and Cheney DID do their duty.

The treasonous left tear this country apart at any cost isn't done yet with with their propaganda machine...not by a long shot.

Creatures like Olbie/Maddow and especially Matthews will do their best to see to that calling, screeching for hearings via the air-waves nightly.

I saw this show, it was a good segment.

Btw...Hunt should be proud.

"You've gone beyond the law"... Sen. Kerry~ Head of Foreign Relations Committee to Hillary at Sec.of State confirmation hearings~1-13-09 

talking point

Jessie R. Hamby if i remember right, the same crap happened in germany, just before hitler came into power. the media started bashing the jewish people, a lot like the media is doing now. we all know how that turned out.

Falling ratings

Clears your head.

I lost a girl I went to

I lost a girl I went to school with on 9/11.  She was in the plane that hit the Pentagon.  And one of my dearest friends was in the North Tower of the WTC when the first plane hit.  Thank God, she's alive and well, but it took a very long time.  I don't think I have a problem with torture if it will keep this country safe.  Hell, I'd like to be asked to help if I could.

Marpel

That's quite a red flag you're waving there. When Dumboa and JasonCnoevil show up to charge at it I want to be in on the stompin.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

 I don't think I have a

 I don't think I have a problem with torture if it will keep this country safe.  Hell, I'd like to be asked to help if I could.

I'm with your sentiments all the way marpel, I think millions of us out here are...you aren't alone.

"You've gone beyond the law"... Sen. Kerry~ Head of Foreign Relations Committee to Hillary at Sec.of State confirmation hearings~1-13-09 

Conyers should be careful

Conyers should be careful (rather than always acting like he's just come out of a coma). The FBI is looking into his wife's dealings as a member of the Detroit City Council, so he's hardly one to sit in judgement of folk who were not out to feather their nest like his wife appears to have done. 

 

If comunism is such a great idea, why didn't they put up a picture window instead of an Iron Curtain?

BOR is a blowhard, but right on this

I am effing sick to death hearing about the US as the worst torturers in history. Waterboarding? Who ever died from it? No one. 12-yr old boys do worse things to each other. Glug, glug, you're drowning? Don't worry, we'll resuscitate you. That's why it's called torture instead of murder.

Until Al Qaeda and the rest of these homicidal islamomaniacs sign on to the Geneva Convention, I'd be OK with using that turkey-beheading device in Palin's turkey-pardon tape to get information that would save even one innocent life. Where the hell is it written that we need 'transparency' on this... it's war! What do these libs think this is, the Redcoats vs. Colonials, where everyone had a sense of honor and played (mostly) by established rules?

Established rules

The established rule was that if you were an enemy combatant caught out of uniform you were hung. Now we 'detain' them. Yeah, we're REAL barbaric.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

 Bill did ok with these

 Bill did ok with these comments. He must be reading NB ;+}

For liberal Democrats and the Old Media, everything is crisis, chaos, calamity and catastrophe. That justifies stealing your property and liberties.

Brad - were they not tortured during Clinton's term?

Brad - were they not tortured under Clinton's care? Will the media even ask the question? Is there absolutely no curiosity?

These are complicated and trying issues. Note: Let's not forget either, that Leon Panetta was there - and according to Obama's folks - he was deeply involved (this is what they say qualifies him for the DCIA spot) in top level meetings on these national security issues: 

1.) Let's start - set the stage here - with President-elect Obama’s nominee for Attorney General, Eric Holder. His stated view (2001 interview on CNN), in arguing that these captured terrorists, should not be labeled POW's, nor afforded protection of the Geneva Convention, was (my bold):

One of the things we clearly want to do with these prisoners is to have an ability to interrogate them and find out what their future plans might be, where other cells are located; under the Geneva Convention that you are really limited in the amount of information that you can elicit from people.

Stop - Eric Holder has argued Bush's position.

It seems to me that given the way in which they have conducted themselves, however, that they are not, in fact, people entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention. They are not prisoners of war. If, for instance, Mohamed Atta had survived the attack on the World Trade Center, would we now be calling him a prisoner of war? I think not. Should Zacarias Moussaoui be called a prisoner of war? Again, I think not. 

2.) One must wonder if such perceived torture, in recent years,  is actually worse than what might have occurred under the Clinton established policy of extraordinary rendition (note: this does not seem to be debated. Problem here is that our MSM has kept the entire discussion almost entirely censored); when we were jetting them off to foreign countries (Egypt, Turkey, Israel? - any curiosity here within the national media?) to be held - we did not have a facility at Gitmo yet for them - and presumably questioned  - by others. In establishing the program, Al Gore (according to Richard Clarke) stated that, 'of course it's illegal - go grab their ass," and President Clinton, according to the CIA man in charge of the program said, "I don't care what you do with them."

 

And what sort of torture might have happened to the 50 or so captured terrorists which the DCIA claims were shipped off to foreign countries during the Clinton term? Noting that Clinton had told the CIA that he did not care. I'm guessing that some of these people might have begged to be waterboarded, instead.

Guess what - I sense that George Bush, although he had to do what he had to do, conducted himself and made such difficult decisions while looking inside his heart.

Charlie Rose conducted an interview with DCIA, Gen. Hayden a year ago, and upon learning what the press has somehow managed to censor from the public, in it's constant want to protect Clinton, and blame all  things on Bush, Rose came to the considered opinion  - well, it went like this:

ROSE: But you have nowhere else you can take them, other than to some foreign country where you turn it over to some foreign government.

D/CIA: Well, I'm open to ideas. I can keep them. That's detention. I can move them to a foreign government. That's rendition. We can move them to Guantanamo.

ROSE: I think most Americans would prefer detention or Guantanamo, I think, because you're putting people in the hands of other people and you're just going on just a promise --

Charlie Rose thinks that if most Americans had a clue here, that they would prefer Gitmo over Clinton’s policy of rendition.

If the media had honestly reported the news here, and allowed for an intelligent dialog amongst we, the people, there is little doubt that we would not be having this conversation today.

 

And then there is this, which we have heard mentioned a few times: 

U.S. special forces go through waterboarding as part of their training.

I'm assuming that there is certainly some truth to that, as I've witnessed not a soul deny it when it has come up; but, how can the MSM continue and this incoming Obama team, continue to call it torture without, in each and every instance, the press not asking the no-brainer question, "but come-on, we use it in training our own special forces. So you're suggesting that we're torturing our own soldiers. We have not heard you call for an end to that practice. We have not heard you call for an investigation there? Are you going to ban waterboarding for terrorists - but not for our kids? Give us a break?" 

 

(:~/ gary

BRAVO!

Gary,

Great post. Seriously.

BTW, it's not just SpecOps guys that get it. ANYONE that goes through SERE Level C get's it.

Heck, I've been through Level B.

Doc

2008: The year that the great LIE died.

How we know that they know that they are Lying.

Friedrich Nietzsche summed up how I feel about the MSM in this quote:

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."

Thanks Doc

You know, it's really too bad that Bush, in his parting effort, just didn't come out and spill the beans. Obviously, unlike the others - he simply has way too much integrity. gary

Doc and Gary

Thanks for voicing your opinions. I am tired of Bush or any of our Republican leaders taking it on the chin for no good reason without stating the facts and clarifying the record.

Gary,

thank you for pointing out that which the Lame Stream Media won't touch with a 10ft pole.  It doesn't fit in with their idea that every attack and hurricane and unicorn fart is GWB's fault.  And we can't mention that Algore, the High Priest of Gobal Hoaxing, was ever involved.  Nor Queen Hillary and Bill the philanderer. 

All NBC or NYTimes needs to

All NBC or NYTimes needs to do to win BOR over is say oil prices are driven by speculation. Then they will be considered reputable organizations. Just ask 60 Minutes. Now they are golden with him. Not that I'm saying speculation is not part of the game. Although the tankers full of oil floating around in the ocean right now with nobody to sell to would suggest to me that demand still plays a heavy roll. But I just don't think 60 minutes endorsing your view is proof of much.

MSM to Americans

I look at the MSM from this perspective:

 MSM to Americans:

"You (Americans) F****D up you TRUSTED US (MSM).

O's last day 1-20-2013

Bill O'Reilly

Bill O'Reilly couldn't have been more correct.  And at least "The O'Reilly Factor" gets viewers, unlike the two dimwits on PMSNBC, between 8 & 10 PM every night.

O'Reilly is a Democrat and a fraud

O'Reilly is a big believer in global warming; he hates "Big Oil; is an overt supporter of radical feminism; blames Donald Rumsfeld for Iraq; etc. Then on select topics that might be seen as conservative (actually, non-Marxist), he'll pretend he's vehement and outraged to provide himself cover.

During the last couple months leading up to the selection of Hussein as president, O'Reilly regularly pronounced the myth of "The Republicans are in control" and that's why they are getting blamed. He helped create the 40% of ignorant voters who didn't know that the low Congressional ratings belonged to Democrats.

In addition, O'Reilly once claimed there was an "epidemic of violence against women," after a bride-to-be disappeared. Turns out she was as big of a fraud as Billy Boy when she turned out to be the "runaway bride" instead.

J17

What Koolaid are you drinking?

J17

What are you calling "radical feminism?" I'm just curious, I can't think of BOR saying much on this subject, but maybe I don't remember.

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

Water Boarding

rsl775

Water boarding was part of the training in the Marine Corp in the 1960's for certain units. People in a Communication Plt with access to the message center would be an example. I was in such a Plt and know a number of Marines that went through waterboarding. Some thought it rather harsh but never considered it torture. There were other techniques that were harsh but never considered torture by the Marines who participated. It is fair to say none of the Marines I knew wanted to do it twice, everyone got the idea the first time.

No "real" man would ever

No "real" man would ever say waterboarding terrorists is wrong.

 

Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke

Beckel...hmm.  I'll

Beckel...hmm.  I'll refrain.

Now if Bush/Cheney had, oh, I don't know, seen to it that a cabinet member was offed in a plane crash before testifying, or a lawyer-type insider bud of theirs committed 'suicide', or if a couple of teens had 'allegedly' laid themselves out on train tracks in an apparent 'double suicide' because of the activities they 'allegedly' saw,  if files of certain individuals had 'mysteriously' and 'allegedly' ended up in the White House where they should never have been, etc., then I think all that would be grounds for prosecution.  

But, of course, no president would ever, ever be involved with such things, so that's ridiculous.

Or there's the idea that we could be open for attack by a foreign power, oh, say at a naval base...just for sake of argument...and make sure that our aircraft carriers are conveniently not there and leave behind the covering force of cruisers to be sacrificed so we could get into a war and preserve Communism.  But, that would never happen, just musing here.

 

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

"BECKEL: My last word is

"BECKEL: My last word is that we still have the fact that the general counsel to the Army under Ronald Reagan has made a determination that there was torture."

And what was it she considered "torture", Bob? Wearing a bra? Having a g-string put on your head? Having a dog bark at you? Sounds like a typical Friday night at Barney Frank's house to me. I guess rapper DMX is also being torture because he has to wear pink in prison.

Not torture, I don't care who she was general counsel to. 

listening to any rapper is

listening to any rapper is sheer torture..lol..

 

Barney's steak house though sounds like my kind of place... 

Treason

I think what these news agencies have done is nothing less than treason.  trying over throw the govt without do process, undermining the nations credibility, and making America look like a SadoMastic totalitarian control state.

Heng 'em all until their feet stop kickin'