Kalb Suggests Wartime President Bush ‘Avoided Military Service,’ Forgets About Clinton


On Tuesday’s The O’Reilly Factor, FNC host Bill O’Reilly showed clips from the Kalb Report show in which moderator Marvin Kalb, a veteran of both CBS and NBC News, interviewed O’Reilly. During the interview, which was recorded on September 27, O’Reilly managed to embarrass Kalb as the liberal host seemed to criticize President Bush for ordering American troops into war after the President himself "avoided military service," but he seemed to forget that Bill Clinton, who ordered a war against Serbia, dodged the draft and avoided military service altogether while Bush did at least serve in the National Guard. Kalb posed the question: "Do you believe that a President who avoided military service himself should be sending young men and women to fight in what are called ‘wars of choice’?"

After O’Reilly flippantly asked Kalb if he was talking about Bill Clinton and pointed out that Bush served in the National Guard, Kalb claimed that "Bill Clinton did not start a war such as the Iraq War." After mentioning that Clinton ordered war against Serbia, O’Reilly charged that Kalb was asking "another left-wing question," and took a jab at the moderator: "You wanted to hit Bush, and then I hit you with Clinton, and you were going, ‘Uh-oh, I forgot about him.’ Come on."

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O’Reilly also notably pointed out that several intelligence agencies – including those of Britain, Jordan and Egypt – had agreed with the Bush administration that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction: "We talked to people in British intelligence, Egyptian intelligence – we, the Factor staff – and Jordanian intelligence to confirm what the United States intelligence was putting out. ... So I’m going, ‘If Blair, Mubarak and the Jordanian guys are saying the same thing, who am I to say it’s bull?’" The FNC host also noted that terrorists Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas had taken refuge in Iraq before the invasion: "I’ve also got Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas inside Iraq, notorious terrorists. And they got all this stuff confirmed by four other intelligence agencies. I got Tony Blair out there telling me the same thing. I got Bush, and I got Bill Clinton saying the same thing."

Below is a transcript of relevant portions of the interview as shown on the November 11 The O’Reilly Factor on FNC:

BILL O’REILLY: We talked to people in British intelligence, Egyptian intelligence – we, the Factor staff – and Jordanian intelligence to confirm what the United States intelligence was putting out. All right? So I’m going, "If Blair, Mubarak and the Jordanian guys are saying the same thing, who am I to say it’s bull? ... So I’ve got four intelligence outfits saying the same thing. I’ve also got Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas inside Iraq, notorious terrorists. And they got all this stuff confirmed by four other intelligence agencies. I got Tony Blair out there telling me the same thing. I got Bush, and I got Bill Clinton saying the same thing.

...

MARVIN KALB: Do you believe that a President who avoided military service himself should be sending young men and women to fight in what are called "wars of choice"?

O’REILLY: Are you talking about Bill Clinton? Is that who we’re talking about?

[PAUSE]

KALB: Um, no.

O’REILLY: No?

[AUDIENCE LAUGHS]

O’REILLY: Who are you talking about?

KALB: I’m talking about George W. Bush.

O’REILLY: He was in the National Guard.

KALB: That’s a different issue.

O’REILLY: Wasn’t he President?

KALB: No, we can talk about-

O’REILLY: No, no, no. You posed a question with the word "President" in it-

KALB: Bill Clinton did not start a war such as the Iraq war. Bill Clinton-

O’REILLY: Bosnia, Kosovo, was that?

KALB: Well, hardly that.

O’REILLY: It was hardly that? It was an intervention by the United States over in the Balkans.

KALB: Bill, you’re doing very well, but you’re not answering the question. And you know darn well you’re not answering the question.

O’REILLY: No, it was another left-wing question.

KALB: I want to know

O’REILLY: You wanted to hit Bush, and then I hit you with Clinton, and you were going, "Uh-oh, I forgot about him." Come on.

[AUDIENCE APPLAUSE]

O’REILLY: Now I’ll answer the question. If the American people elect the Commander-in-Chief-

KALB: What you have just done, what you have just done is a classic O’Reilly.

O’REILLY: Of course. I’m right.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Damn straight!

O'Reilly right?

 YOU BETCHA!

I did catch that last night

It's getting harder and harder to watch BOR (He does become more like Ted Baxter every night.) However, I did love the long pregnant pause.  Mr. Kalb's brain was trying to get over the fact that Mr. O'Reilly had him looking like a ruminant mammal trapped by the foward-looking automobile lanterns.  (Was that over the top?  Sorry.  Sometimes I can't tell.)

"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa

I gave up on BOR; I hardly

I gave up on BOR; I hardly ever watch him any more.

But every once in a while, he hits the nail on the head.

The rule for Liberals is: If a Democratic candidate is a "war hero" (Kerry) then military experience is a sine qua non for the Presidency. If he has none (Clinton, Obama) it's irrelevant. Even to the point of saying that being a POW isn't a qualificatioin for the Presidency. (It isn't, but it says something about character).

 

Agreed, mb

Like you, I rarely watch him (or Hannity) anymore, but last night there were no (interesting) ballgames on, so I saw this one in passing.

Whenever someone says, "aw, come on," or "and you know it," it reveals their blind assumptions. Some people believe in their own assumptions without explanation, that is to say, blindly. So when an opponent challenges those assumptions, you see the first guy swiping at air, stumbling, hesitating, like a man groping in the dark.

  • Now to be fair, we all do that. That's human. We don't have instant recall on all of our assumptions. That's what assuming means; it means you go with it on trust. When challenged in actual debate, though, most responsible thinkers take a moment to recall why they trusted these assumptions in the first place, and proceed from there.
  • But notice what Kalb did. He wasn't willing to stop and reflect on his assumptions. He just demanded that O'Reilly accept them. Like a toddler, he was just going to stomp his feet until O'Reilly accept the premises to his questions.
  • Notice that Kalb couldn't immediately rebut O'Reilly, and resorted to "aw, come on" and other blind swipes. (And this is against O'Reilly, the original Ted Baxter!)

Let's give credit. Kalb is a very good journalist. He's liberal, but IMO he's usually above this sort of thing. If a guy with his experience can fall into blind assumption traps, imagine how hard it is for the Katie Courics of the media world to avoid them. Or the David Shusters. Hell, MSNBC is a stable of blind assumers, where none of them have enough experience or reflection to recognize their blindness.

MSNBC is the "aw, come on" network.

BO'R

I run hot and cold on O'Reilly.  He sometimes beats up on people that don't seem to deserve it.  Sometimes he starts yelling or badgering the guest and that doesn't serve any purpose.  Then other people who should really get a grilling, he seems to go easy on.

Pulled another

Pulled another O'Reilly?

What kind of Professor sees it as a horrible, terrible thing to have someone disagree with them, and point out a fallacy?

A leftist, that's who. These cowardly little cretins are everywhere in academia.

Kalb

I saw it and loved every frame. Kalb is another jerk acting as if he is so neutral and a curse to both libs and cons. BOR stopped him cold. If he was in Alaska he would have died from EXPOSURE!

O'Riley took this softball

O'Reilly took this softball and ran with it only mildly. I want to see someone with a little passion, not glib jocular comebacks, when confronting biased unethical journalists like Kalb. Then later in his show O'Reilly did the same softball thing with Meachim of Newsweek/WaPo. These hack journalists are directly to blame for brainwashing this country into electing a Marxist leader and starting us down a path of becoming mindless Eloi.

 

This morning I got an up

This morning I got an up close and personal look at the stupidity infecting 65 million people who went to the polls on NOV 4th.  On my way to work, I stopped to pick up a few things.  At check-out, I glanced at the stack of USA Todays on the counter and noted the headline "Obama's Plan for Iraq" above the fold.  I chuckled, pointed to it and said out loud, "That's pretty funny."  The clerk shot daggers at me and responded, "Well, we'll see.  Bush screwed it all up."   I had to smile at her presumption, the vast font of wisdom and erudite decision-making which led her on the 40+ year journey to a cash register in a convenience store.  Heaven knows why, but I suddenly felt inspired, so knowing full well, it would do no good, I simply said that there are those who simply believe that President Bush was put into an untenable position.  I'm sure that it was completely lost on her, and why shouldn't it be?  It's lost on the liberal intelligencia who teach our children, and it’s lost on Katie and Oprah, (who look to influence our moms) neither one of whom to my knowledge has ever given credit for their prosperity to the freedoms inherent in our republic.  Freedoms which are maintained for them because this president dared to project our power away from our shores, keeping the enemy at arms length.

 

Very good PD

 I had a simular exspereance, the lack of forsight on some is staggering.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

GC - could you elaborate? 

GC - could you elaborate?  I'd be very interested in the details of your encounter.

OK PD

  I have to admit, I do go out of my way to confront some of this nonsense, so I have more then a few stories. But the one on the Morning of Nov 5th stands out to me.

I was out of town during election day (Dallas). The next day while checking out of my hotel the clerk suggested to me that it felt as if we were finally free again. So I told him," when prices start going up and inflation gets to double digits and so does unemployment, will you be able to keep your enthusiasm up?"  Without so much as batting an eye he said "oh yea, no problem, after what we have been through the last 4 yrs" I shook my head, told him "good luck and have a nice day".

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Yeah, you just gotta wonder

Yeah, you just gotta wonder what he thinks HE has endured during the last four years.

Going through the checkout

Going through the checkout reminds me of last week.  On Wednesday after the election, my sister and I were being juvenile at Target while shopping in the book section.  We chuckled while we turned the Obama books backward so we didnt have to look at that smug face.  But the real chuckle came on Saturday, while doing grocery shopping at the local Walmart, I walk up to the checkout and all the TIME magazines that had a big face of Obama on it were turned backward....I felt like part of an underground army....made my day.

"It's lost on the liberal intelligensia...."

Exactly.  Either they are a) totally ignorant of what our forefathers went through to create this republic (hell, most of them don't even know what happened in WWII) or b) they do know but see our entire history nothing but a series of despicable acts by a bunch of racist white Europeans which they pass on to their off spring.

They are also willingly ignorant of the hellholes that have existed around the world and see any former/current Communist/Socialist countries as beacons of justice for the rest of the corrupt capitalist/democratic world.  Now, they would never actually live in those hellholes despite their protestations that they would should Bush be elected/re-elected because in their hearts they know they could never survive.

What will be interesting to see of course is the encouragement our Leftist friends give to their children to join the regular military or Obama's civilian national security force now that one of their own is CINC.

History of Multi-Culturalism

I believe American History has given way multi-culturalism in schools. Accept anything, particularly if it is anti-American.

WHACK

It's always nice to see someone on the left get whacked with a good helping of logic. Its a shame it never seems to take roots and grow.

On a side note it really seems as if billy O has down shifted his rhetoric concerning the PEO and the future administration.

O'Reilly

My wife and I saw this last night and it was simply fantastic. O'Reilly layed a verbal beat down on him, and he had little to no response, as liberals rarely do when they are called out on their hypocrisy.

O'Reilly was Trump to Kalb's Rosie O'Donnell.

I had heard via audio what

I had heard via audio what the interview was like, and hoped to see Kalbs face in close up when O'Reilly slammed him with Clinton. That pause was CLASSIC.

I can only image that they pulled out to that wimpy wide shot of both of them holding their temples due to the RonPaulian whiplash look on Kalbs face.

I saw the segment

I saw the segment on BOR last night and had to chuckle at Bill when he said that Marvin had been a prof of his. He said that he got an A- in the class and the - was because of attitude!

The whole exchange was priceless.

Marvin Kalb...

Marvin Kalb, just another liberal who sees military service as a negative. Has Kalb ever put on the uniform? I'm willing to bet that Kalb thinks that he is responsible, because he is in the media, for our freedoms.

Well, his freedoms as well as the freedoms of every American, including Obama's, has been bought and paid for by the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who have served and are serving in the United States Armed Forces. It is the United States Military that ensures that the American people have the rights outline in the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution.

Remember folks, FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.  

Lovely,

Sometimes the old bloviator hits it out of the park!

Save a seal, Club a Liberal!  

Wish I had seen

Wish I had seen this.  I love it when liberals get caught and furiously look for a place to hide.  Sure wish BOR had mentioned that Clinton was a draft dodger.  Oh, well.  We can't have everything.

Well, since BHO hasn't served in the military...

....I assume that Kalb will immediately condemn any new military actions (say, invading Pakistan) that BHO will order as CINC.

Yes, under Kalbs postulate,

Yes, under Kalbs postulate, Obama could not lead the nation during the current GWOT because he has not served in uniform.

WHat Kalb and other liberals seem to forget is that very few persons in uniform are actually liberal, so his party is up a creek if they desire to use the old "You can't lead the military if you have not served" chestnut.

I can't believe Kalb walked

I can't believe Kalb walked right into that. Guess he's NOT that bright.

Bush was not only merely in the National Guard, he was an F-102 pilot.

Clinton, on the other hand, 'piloted' a bunch of low-rent hoes around.

Shh - You're not supposed to

Shh - You're not supposed to metion that we have a Harvard MBA, fighter pilot president.  It disturbes the equillibrium.

Oops, sorry PD. Only Harvard

Oops, sorry PD. Only Harvard LAW counts. I'll try and watch that.

That was a beauty

     That was a beauty to watch. Kalb, A Liberal Dinosaur, been around since the Last Supper, and he gets a solid liver punch. The audience is clapping, the best touche I've seen on T V in a long time. Bill did a real good job with that spot. We need to see more of that from Bill.

The Chickenhawk Smear

I recently wrote a book about the Clintons that originally included a chapter entitled "The Chickenhawk Smear." When it became clear that Hillary would not win the Democrat nomination and a Vietnam War hero would win the GOP nomination, I decided that the chapter no longer fit with the book. However, I still think the issue will still be with us, as Kalb demonstrates. You can download a PDF file of "The Chickenhawk Smear" at http://www.sinsofthehusband.com/chickenhawksmear.pdf

It was heartening to watch

It was heartening to watch Bill O'Reilly pull a "gotcha" on Kalb. Did everyone notice how shrill Kalb was?  He was rude, postulating, or as my Dad used to say, "Had his peacock feathers spread" while asking Bill O the questions.  So, once ol' Bill asked if he meant Clinton, the deer in the headlights look on Kalb's face was priceless. 

Kalb is a perfect example of what is wrong with today's journalism.

Tables turned

The best part was that Kalb brought the issue up himself - it wasn't like O'Reilly laid a trap for him.  It's tough when a student out-thinks his old teacher so obviously and so quickly. 

Having been confronted with his own question, he could not answer it.  He resorted to name-calling (what the heck is a classic O'Reilly?) I'd like to see more people turn the tables on liberals in this manner.

The Reason I Watch O'Reilly

Sweet! BO'R just ripped the veil off what was a Bush-bash disguised as an honest, objective question.  The reason I still watch O'Reilly is to see him do what he did to Kalb, which you won't see anywhere else. He's lost his edge lately, IMHO.  Nice to know he can still be sharp on occasion.

"Well, I've got nothing against the press...they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true..." -- Joe Jackson, "Sunday Papers"

The video of the sparring match...

... the video is here.

 I confess, I have quit

 I confess, I have quit ALL broadcast news on TV.  FOX, all of them.

 Cold turkey.

None of them are worth a damn and they're getting worse.

Now, I can pick and choose which Conservatives news I care to review. 

Wonder why reporters are liberal shills?

Pontificating dunces like Marvin Kalb are teaching them in college.

Kalb meet glass house

I was disappointed in that O’Reilly didn’t ask him about his military service.

But, according to his biography Kalb did not serve in the military.

What do they say about people who throw stones and live in a glass house?

Kalb, being born in 1930, would have made him eligible for Viet Nam service, but working for Harvard University at the time he probably got a deferment.

Isn’t that how the liberal elites, most of them journalists, did it?

Kalb is way too old for

Kalb is way too old for Vietnam.   Now, Korea ....

NL207

You are correct!

I need to re-calibrate my slide rule.

I watched this last

I watched this last night.  Kalb got busted!!  When BOR asked him if he was talking about Clinton, the pause lasted forever!!!

 

TIVO is so cool....I can rewind and replay to my heart's content...

A career Navyman's opinion...

But first...bravo zulu to BO'R.

Why do people like Kalb seem so offended that Prez Bush, or anyone else, was "only" in the National Guard?  Smart people realize that career military personnel like...me, for instance, function as caretakers and first responders during seasons of peace, and that when the excrement hits the fan it's the reservists who must drop what they are doing, get a haircut, kiss the family goodbye, and report for duty.

I didn't (and still don't) care whether a person is a reservist or a member of the National Guard; he wears the uniform, he received the same training, and when called to active duty is subject to the same hazards as us regulars. 

Anyway...I think somebody like Kalb should be required to have "worn the uniform" before he's permitted to ask a question or write about military matters (that's silly, I know.)  I just get tired hearing questions and comments about the armed forces from lilly-livered, spineless, gutless weasels like Kalb and his ilk.  

m4sterchief... This may

m4sterchief...

This may interest you...Soldiers Dissed By Obama Liberals

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Clear thinker...

I have some doubts about that post you recommended, and I expressed them in that website.  I'd be curious if you would agree with me.  Why don't you go back to the site and read my response, then you can tell me if I'm full of cr...I mean, hot air.

(Ummm...unless it's you I was referring to; then you may not agree with me for sure...LOL.)

Master Chief...

With all due respect, your entire response was the grammar and self-indulgence of the liberal left? News flash! they can sound perfectly rational! Have you even heard one of B. Hussein Obama's speeches!?  Glorious sounding,but devoid of substance!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

m4ster chief

me, for instance, function as caretakers and first responders during seasons of peace, and that when the excrement hits the fan it's the reservists who must drop what they are doing, get a haircut, kiss the family goodbye, and report for duty.

Thanks for taking care of me...in good times and bad! All the best to you & your family!!!

Not just the National Guard

As a 13 year veteran of the Air Force, I never spent time in a foreign country.  California, yes, but not a foreign country.  I was a military instructor for Air Force Space Command on 9/11, and my students wanted to go defend the gates.  I said with what, they weren't qualified (it was day 2 of their training).  I told them the Air Force has a job for them, it was to learn and get qualified to take their post so that person could move on to take the next post.

Why is it that people think that Veterans are only the ones in the war zone?  Do any of you know the cost to your local bases?  We've had to do less, because we send it to the "front".  Our equipment, our money, our soldiers.  Look at the failures we've had in the nuclear business and other Air Force bases.  Too many jobs, not enough personnel.  But it gets done to the best of our ability.  And what are our thanks?  It's not "military service".  Thanks a whole bunch.

AFClone... I thank you,

AFClone...

I thank you, for me and my family. Because of people like you, we all sleep better at night!

Soldiers Dissed By Obama Liberals

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Good Wood, Good Distance, Good Bye!

BOR Smacked Kalb so badly you could feel the viberations all the way from the stage... Way to go Bill.

www.ScottOnCapeCod.com

"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation"... until they get fed-up enough to finally say something about it!

Hehe..

Loved your site Scott..bookmarked that one! 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Thanks for the feedback... This is cheaper than therapy...

 

www.ScottOnCapeCod.com

"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation"... until they get fed-up enough to finally say something about it!

Kalb Suggests Wartime President Bush ‘Avoided Military Service,’

... and Obama's

 Hey, ScottonCapeCod!

Good to have someone from the area on Newsbusters!

Hey CCScott... I saw your

Hey CCScott...

I saw your link to the video of BOR and Miller...I about died laughing tonight when I saw that earlier, the very last line about Barney Fwank and jail was the BEST...we both laughed in our household...Miller was really on his game tonight.

I could put the link on here, but other posters...check out CCScott's site...it is right at the top....well worth your time.

....so many people I like are getting their own sites anymore...I don't have the time to go all with the zesto I would like...wish I did...good luck to all, that's for sure.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I think you missed my point...

...but I don't know how to make it any clearer.