FNC: Catholic Leaders Respond to Pelosi's Abortion Claims

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Tuesday’s Special Report with Brit Hume on FNC highlighted recent criticisms from Catholic Church leaders toward Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi over her recent claims that "the Doctors of the [Catholic] Church have not been able to make that definition" of whether human life begins at conception. Appearing on Sunday’s Meet the Press on NBC, when host Tom Brokaw turned to the abortion issue and asked her when she believes human life begins, Pelosi responded: "I would say that, as an ardent practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time, and what I know is, over the centuries, the Doctors of the Church have not been able to make that definition."

After Brit Hume ended Tuesday’s "From the Political Grapevine" segment noting that Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput had criticized Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden for his pro-choice position on abortion, the FNC host introduced a report by correspondent Shannon Bream. Hume: "Biden is not the only prominent Democrat who is out of favor with Church leaders because of abortion positions. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has also been publicly rebuked, and correspondent Shannon Bream reports on that from Washington."

After playing the aforementioned clip of Pelosi, and, after noting that she has "been given a perfect voting score from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League," clips of two Archbishops were shown voicing their problems with her statement:

ARCHBISHOP DONALD WUERL: From the very beginning, first century on, the Church has said you can't take an unborn life.

ARCHBISHOP CHARLES CHAPUT: What she said was scandalous. It could lead other people to error, and so we have a duty to correct it.

After Bream relayed that 10 Catholic Republican members of the House of Representatives had sent a letter of protest to Pelosi, another clip of Archbishop Wuerl was played: "You have to examine your conscience before you present yourself for communion, and if you are not truly living out what you believe and what you profess you believe, then the onus is on you to make the right decision about communion."

Below is a complete transcript of the report from the Tuesday, August 26, Special Report with Brit Hume on FNC:

BRIT HUME: And finally, Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden is coming under fire right here in Denver over his pro-choice views on abortion. The Washington Times reports Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput said Sunday that Biden, who is Catholic, is, quote, "seriously wrong," for supporting abortion rights. The Archbishop added, quote, "I presume that his integrity will lead him to refrain from presenting himself for communion if he supports a false ‘right’ to abortion." Denver’s Archbishop was not invited to speak at any Democratic Convention events, but he says he would like to speak privately with the Delaware Senator about the matter.

HUME: And Biden is not the only prominent Democrat who is out of favor with Church leaders because of abortion positions. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has also been publicly rebuked, and correspondent Shannon Bream reports on that from Washington.

SHANNON BREAM: It is undoubtedly a controversial issue, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sent the abortion debate to a whole new level with her Sunday comments about when life begins.

NANCY PELOSI, FROM MEET THE PRESS: I would say that, as an ardent practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time, and what I know is, over the centuries, the Doctors of the Church have not been able to make that definition.

BREAM: Yet Catholic leaders from Denver to D.C. say Pelosi, a Catholic who’s also been given a perfect voting score from the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League, got it wrong.

ARCHBISHOP DONALD WUERL: From the very beginning, first century on, the Church has said you can't take an unborn life.

ARCHBISHOP CHARLES CHAPUT: What she said was scandalous. It could lead other people to error, and so we have a duty to correct it.

BREAM: Ten Catholic Republican House members also quickly responded, writing, quote, "We hope that you will rectify your errant claims and apologize for misrepresenting the Church's doctrine, and misleading fellow Catholics." One member who signed on to the letter says if Pelosi isn’t willing to honor the Church’s fundamental teachings over her own interpretations, she’s free to join another faith.

REP. THAD MCCOTTER (R-MI): The reality is she made an erroneous statement about a Church teaching that further shows the trouble that people have with the schizophrenic separation of their personal private beliefs in the Catholic Church and their public actions for anything such as partial birth abortion. It's unsustainable. It’s illogical.

BREAM: It’s that dichotomy of private beliefs and political action that collide when Catholic pro-choice politicians want to take communion.

WUERL: You have to examine your conscience before you present yourself for communion, and if you are not truly living out what you believe and what you profess you believe, then the onus is on you to make the right decision about communion.

BREAM: Late today, Speaker Pelosi issued a statement through her spokesman saying that she was raised in a devout Catholic family that’s often disagreed with her pro-choice views. She also says, quote, "While Catholic teaching is clear that life begins at conception, many Catholics do not ascribe to that view." In Washington, Shannon Bream, Fox News.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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NBC?

Gosh, Pelosi's ramblings took place on Meet the Press (NBC). When will NBC be airing the statements of the Archbishops? Don't they owe it to their viewers?

what the MSM owes this

what the MSM owes this country they could never possibly repay in a thousand lifetimes 

Journalism is the opium of the liberals

Doctors of the Catholic Church

To clarify, the Doctors of the Catholic Church aren't medical doctors, but 33 saints who have been recognized for their learned teachings and their sanctity. They include:

St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Teresa of Avila, St. Anthony of Padua, St. Francis de Sales, and St. Gregory the Great

And, most recently, St

And, most recently, St Therese of Lisieux.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

Nancy Pelosi

What Catholic Church does she belong to?

She knows better, but will say anything for

political purposes.   She should be ashamed to

claim she is an "ardent Catholic".   I know the

Archbishops don't condsider her or Joe Biden

"ardent" Catholics, and don't appreciate her

proclaiming herself as such.   What a disgrace,

its a good thing God is forgiving.  a .
 

Ardent Practicing Catholic?

I'd say she's an ardently pi$$ poor Catholic. I left the Catholic church years ago, but their has never been any doubt on the church's position regarding abortion. The Pope has been quite clear on this. My uncle was head of a local Right to Life chapter, and his philosopy was, "There are no Democrats in Heaven,"  (Say that in a crowd if you want to get a rise) because of abortion.

Yes, there are many who disagree with some parts of church doctrine, such as birth control before conception, but anyone who calls themself "ardent practicing" and is pro choice is deluded. Wait, I was talking about Bela Pelosi .....

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.

Good post banks

Most of us who have left the Catholic Church certainly didn't leave because we believed in abortion.

The church is right on this issue.  Nancy Pelosi can make her own stupid decisions, as she's proven so often.

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St. Augustine?

I thought Nanny called him "Senator"?

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Nancy's a Democrat

Democrats are famous for saying things the media will never fact check.  We're mired in a global warming debate, because Democrats are allowed, by the press, to say anything, and not have to prove it. 

In this case, someone actually cares what a Democrat said and they're out there disputing it.  Will NBC put it on their airwaves?  Probably not, since they'll tell their viewers it has something to do with the separation of church and state, or something else stupid that no one will check. 

At least Pelosi didn't get away with this one.  NOw, if the press will call her to account on her drilling policies, we'd be in high cotton.  

Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.

Pelosi

is completely consumed by evil. God has made it clear that life started BEFORE He placed us in our mother's womb.

That's what He told our beloved friend Jeremiah in chapter one of Jeremiah's Prophecy.

One does not need to be a "doctor" or ardent or anything to read and understand that. A seven year old can put that together.

That lady has got a mental problem or sump'n.

"many Catholics do not ascribe to that view"

What a liar she is! That's not what she said at first on Meet the Press. She tried to make a declaration of FACT about Church doctrine by saying "the doctors of the Church have not been able to make that definition."

Now she's trying to pass it off like she really DOES know the church's view on the beginning of life, but she doesn't agree with it and since she shares that opinion with many other Catholics, that makes it alright.

 

I thought about her

I thought about her somewhat odd response. It could be that she was taking a shot at the Bishops for calling her out on her proposterous explanation of the Church's position on abortion. In effect she might have been saying that if the Bishops were doing their job (teaching the faith more effectively in her opinion), more Catholics would subscribe to the prolife position.

I dunno. She's such a whack job no one can figure out what she's talking about most of the time.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

That's the point, Pelosi

That's the point, Pelosi took a gamble on whether or not the Church officials would publicly rebuke her.  She was clearly counting on them being hog tied with the separation of church and state foolishness not to comment on political matters especially in public. You will notice one Bishop wants to privately talk to Biden, i.e. not make a public spectacle however, both Biden and Pelosi had the stupidity or temerity (whatever you chose to attribute it to) to make it public and that during an election season when everyone is listening.   

Biden and Pelosi's next move will be to either clam up on the issue to make it go away or play the separation of church and state card to tell the Bishops to shut up and not speak publicly.  The first may work, but the second won't hold water.  As American citizens, the Bishops have the right to publicly challenge anyone who makes a claim about their Faith whether that be from a believer or non-believer.  As a non-Catholic I fully support the Bishops right to publicly rebuke a self professed member of their own Faith when they (Biden and Pelosi) themselves start making erroneous claims in a public manner.

btw-what Pelosi did in making her assertion is typical of libs when they are pushing a pet agenda.  They advance circular reasoning arguments to convince people to accept their position.  In this case her supporting abortion (ending a life) by claiming there is confusion over when life begins, therefore abortion (ending a life) is ok because no one can agree when life begins.  The key of course is her redefining abortion as not ending a life.  Redefining words is another lib tactic of deception.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

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And a press release was

And a press release was issued by none other than Cardinal Egan.

I don't think he's impressed by the fact that Her Speakerness is not alone in her view.

And Her Speakerness can disagree all she wants; she just can't call herself an "ardent Catholic" at the same time.

Mrs. Pelosi, you don't go to an Italian restaurant and then complain that they don't serve Chinese food.

If you want a Church that allows abortion, I'm sur you can find one.

 

"Mrs. Pelosi, you don't go

"Mrs. Pelosi, you don't go to an Italian restaurant and then complain that they don't serve Chinese food."

LOL... I bet she does exactly that. Great line.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

MB

I absolutely agree. If she does not follow the Catholic faith, and does not believe their doctrine, she is by no means Catholic.

Of course I have my doubts that there is one religious bone in her body.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

What means it "to be a Catholic"?

If she does not follow the Catholic faith, and does not believe their doctrine, she is by no means Catholic.

Precisely.

Pelosi: "I'm a Catholic who doesn't ascribe to Catholic teaching."

So, Madame Pelosi, can I also claim to be rational without ascribing to reason?

Of course, it goes without saying that this is not merely a Catholic teaching, it is a Biblical Christian teaching:

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. -- Psalm 139:13

I would love to see this:

Ms. Pelosi, as an "ardent practicing Catholic," do you believe every word of the Bible is true? Follow up question, If so, was Moses was lying when he wrote, "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, (Exodus 21:22-3)

Was Isaiah lying when he wrote, "Woe to those who call evil good, or good evil; and those who put darkness for light, or light for darkness." (Isaiah 5:20. ) Let's see her dance on that one. Or,

Ms Pelosi, do you believe Jesus Christ rose from the dead? Follow up question, do really believe a person that has been dead for two days can rise from the dead?

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.

Follow up question, do

Follow up question, do really believe a person that has been dead for two days can rise from the dead?

Her answer: if we use enough embryonic stem cells we could... <dark sarcasm>

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Pelosi

I was watching Sunday morning and heard her lying through here teeth. She could not even speak straight; you could tell she was out and out lying!

Uhh why do people in CA vote for the likes of her? God help the USA!

 I am suprised you could

 I am suprised you could tell, they are so good at it. But then, informed folks are hard to lie to. ?When does she lie the most?, Everyone,,When she open's her mouth!!Think putting this woman on a Lie Detector would be fun?

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

She is a

CINO:
Catholic In Name Only

 

no big shock there

that's not hard

Life begins when the blood is formed and that's about 18 days. "The life is in the blood." Because sex is determined at fertilization I have no problem flexing to say that life begins at conception. The RATS like to equivocate because they're in the baby killing business. Sentforth makes an interesting point but man can not kill the spirit. God gives the spirit and the soul is created when the spirit enters the body.

Ardent, Devout, Etc...

Just remember, when Madame Pelosi speaks of her faith, it's Opposite Day.

She's had so much crap syringed in her head that she believes what she says.

And the botox is hurting her, too.

Excommunication

"Brendan Daly, a spokesman for Pelosi, said in a statement Tuesday that she ``fully appreciates the sanctity of family'' and based her views on conception on the ``views of Saint Augustine ..."

We don't excommunicate anyone for their political views. However, there is another dimension to this now. From the purely religious side, no Catholic can deny the bishop's authority to define the true faith. Pelosi hasn't explicitly said that she denies their authority, because no one (so far as I know) has put the question to her in those terms. Yet ...

  • Pelosi deliberately ignores the explicit teaching of the bishops on this issue, and claims to obey the views of Augustine.
  • Contemporary bishops have declared Augustine to be in error on this matter.
  • Knowing that, she must now disavow her views on conception based on Augustine.
  • If she fails to do so, a clear case can be made that she is no longer in fidelity to the authority of the bishops, and on that basis, she can definitely be excommunicated.

We have to recognize an important distinction. A Catholic can argue that abortion is wrong, but that under our system of civil rights a person must be allowed to choose as they see fit.

Fair enough - that's a respectable argument. I disagree, but I can see where a Catholic can make that argument in good conscience.

But that's different than what Pelosi is arguing. She's flatly denying the authority of the bishops to declare abortion wrong. That's grounds for excommunication.

Right KC

And she has no right to introduce new doctrine to believers in her capacity as a Catholic in public office. She introduced "Catholic" as a credential, not as a Faith.

She's causing the flock to err.

Either she's a Catholic or she's not. 

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I am sick of politicians

I am sick of politicians saying that they are personally pro-life, but they can't force the tenets of their faith on others.

Not when they have no problem using the tenets of their faith to justify taking money, by force of law, from some individuals to give to others.

so true mb

If Pelosi et al were serious about that claim, they'd close the borders due to constituency demand rather than following their "higher power" 

I ♣ my seal

Augustine was not completely in error

Augustine was in error only on details of biology, details that have since come to light, but the implication of his view was astoundingly correct: Life begins before birth.

Madame Speaker does not base her views on Augustine.  If she did, she would aggressively pursue legislation outlawing all abortions after the first trimester.  Instead, she votes for Partial Birth Abortion.  Madame Speaker bases her views on the New Democratic Gospel: Abortion On Demand.

LaVallette

Hey Pelosi, addled brained smartie pants: If life does not begin at conception why do you and your Family Planning NARAL friends urge people to use condoms and/or the Pill or other froms of contraception prior to intercourse or the "morning after" pill immediately after to avoid a pregnancy?  Conception is the sine qua non of human life: no conception no Human life. QED or in in the language of your ancestors "capisce????" Denying such a self evident truth says a lot about the capacity of your intellect. 

It's what the scripture says not what the bishops agree it says.

Regardless of what the current cadre of Bishops agree on, you have to go back and see what scripture says. It is clear in many many areas that the unborn are concidered persons and are "known to GOD". Therefore it is the moment of conception and not any other randomly chosen point in the gestation process where a cow becomes a cow, a cat becomes a cat and a Human becomes a Human.

Remember that it is now claimed that Saint Augustine was wrong. So the Bishops and the Pope can be declaired to be wrong at some later date too. Always go back to the undisputed authority, never let an imperfect man (or woman) tell you what to think or believe.

As for why Pelosi keeps getting elected...a large portion of her constituency actively tries to undermine the authority of the scriptures and they are perfectly happy to elect people who help them in this cause.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

c5

But she has no business saying she's "an ardent practicing Catholic" legislating against the beliefs of that church.

I hope her church excommunicates her.  I would say the American Catholic Church has allowed too much dillution of its message, but that's getting too close to the line we've agreed upon here at NB.

I am glad to see the RCC standing up to Nancy Pants.

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You are correct.

I was just pointing out that the institutional consensus can and does change with time, but the absolute truth never does.

IMO anyone who is pro-choice, that is to say pro-abortion, can not claim to be a Christian or Jewish or Muslim of any denomination or sect because that idea is anathema to the teachings of those three religions.

It is high time that the majority of this country point out whenever possible that claiming you are a certian religion while acting and speaking in ways that contradict it's teachings and basic values proves you are a hypocrit. Attending church/synagogue/mosque does not make you anything, anymore than standing in a garage makes you a Toyota.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

This ex-Catholic grew weary

This ex-Catholic grew weary of watching the garage mechanics elevate the Toyotas to Lexus status.

Not just those three relgions C5

Mormons, Buddhists, Hindi's, Hare Krishna's, and Yogins as well. I've also stated before that even atheists who believe in evolution can't be intellectually honest and be for abortion. The only ones who can are atheists who believe in nothing but themselves and their own importance over all other humans and feel their right to exist was and is important but others are not.

Many athiests are also

Many athiests are also pro-life, so your statement is not entirely correct.  Those who are anti-life hold such views for purposes of expediency due to the specific agendas they support, in that sense you are correct if you broaden your statement to encompass all anti-life supporters.  On a religious note, what you described is what I would call the essential nature of sin, advancing one's own self interest at the expense of another in such a way as to cause death, harm or pain (e.g. consequence of breaking any of the Ten Commandments).

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

I agree dscott - I think you misunderstood me

I'm saying atheists who believe in evolution should be pro-life. Many are and those who aren't can't even believe in evolution (faithfully) because anything that grows is a life. Those who agree with killing babies but think trees or animals should be saved and protected are only thinking about themselves and what is convenient and good for them.

The people who think this way are not all bad people but they have been brainwashed into justifying something horrible. Anyone who really looks at it honestly can not be for abortion unless they are evil. Most people for it, are not evil, but they won't look at it honestly.

Some distinctions

Individual bishops are not considered infallible, and certainly not infallible about biology. Infallibility applies only on issues of faith a morals, not biology (or astronomy, or baseball, etc.) Second, infallibility only applies to (a) the Pope;  (b) the bishops as a whole group; and (c) an ecumenical council, which is really just (a)+(b).

This is a case where I don't want to get into arguing about religion, and especially not whether one is better than another. However, I will say that because of the distinctions I mentioned, you can't argue that the bishops' "overturning" Augustine's teaching is proof that bishops have no real authority. For Catholics, at least.

Some corrections

C,

You don't know what infallibility is or who has the charism, or how it is engaged.  Try this:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Papal_Infallibility.asp

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109bt.asp

Oh, and remember to believe the Bible when it commands you to obey the one Church Christ founded.

Mt 16:18-19 - upon this rock I will build my Church
Mt 18:17 - if he refuses to listen even to the Church...
Mt 28:18-20 - go baptize and teach all nations
Mk 16:15-16 - go to whole world and proclaim gospel
Lk 10:16 - whoever hears you, hears me; rejects you, rejects me.
Jn 14:16, 26 - Holy Spirit with you always, teach/remind you of everything
Jn 16:13 - Spirit of truth will guide you to all truth.
1Tim 3:15 - Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

Mt 28:18-20 - Jesus delegates all power to Apostles
Jn 20:23 - power to forgive sin
1Cor 11:23-24 - power to offer sacrifice (Eucharist)
Lk 10:16 - power to speak with Christ's voice
Mt 18:18 - power to legislate
Mt 18:17 - power to discipline
Mt 16;19 - give you keys of the kingdom; power to bind & loose
Lk 22:32 - Peter's faith will strengthen his brethren

chill

c5then wasn't trying to launch a critique on Catholicism.  He/she just pointed out that we should, whenever possible, turn to Scripture; I don't think Catholicism, teaching that Scripture is the inerrant Word of God, would have any objection.

Vegans and abortion

I'd love to see a survey of Vegans showing their support for abortion.

For those not sure, a Vegan typically doesn't eat anything meat, or meat related. This includes eggs, milk and cheese, along with pork, beef, seafood, poultry. One way it's been termed to me is that they won't eat anything "with eyes or a mom", because that would require killing it.

So, if they won't kill anything with eyes or a mom, does that mean they're Pro-Life? Eyes begin development at week 5. Yes, FIVE.

So, anyone have any pull with Pew, Rasmussen or any of the other big-name polling companies?

Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini

This is more than denominationalism

Much more than being about the Catholic denomination, the problem here is whether or not an individual such as Pelosi can hold such a double-minded position and still claim to be part of any legitimate Christian denomination.

As has been previously noted, it flies in the face of Biblical authority to suggest that one can claim to be a Christian (of any stripe) while simultaneously insisting that it's quite all right to murder developing children.  Such cognitive dissonance should cause Pelosi to be laughed out of any room she enters--with the exception of rooms filled with people who share such a disingenuous worldview.

(Like, you know, the Denver get-together of the DNC.  Or most any place in her home district.)

It is a national disgrace that Pelosi is third in line to the Presidency; it should be such a disgrace to the Catholic denomination that they would excommunicate her.  Until she stops showing contempt for Biblical teaching, she should not be allowed to set foot in a church, much less receive Communion. 

--Mike

www.thebrattonreport.com

Eerie

How close to scripture are we now?

And the Americans shouted "Give us Barabas Obama, let the babies' blood be upon us and our children"

I'm not convinced we aren't seeing a fulfillment of Obama's many references to "If you do it to the least of these, you've done it to Me"

"To Life"

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That's really scary.  :-(

That's really scary.  :-(

The potential line of succession

Does anyone but the most "ardent," partisan, party-before-country Democrat think that this is a good line of succession for the Presidency?

  1. Barack Obama
  2. Joe Biden
  3. Nancy Pelosi

Talk about dangerous...

--Mike

P.S.: I have a new article up today at www.thebrattonreport.com.  Please take a look, and let me know what you think. 

In other words, we who find

In other words, we who find McCain unacceptable must hold our noses until they bleed or we pass out in order to insure Obama does not take the Whitehouse.  Given that McCain is a supporter of wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on AGW CO2 reduction, amnesty for illegals and embryonic stem cell research he leaves much to be desired. I would counsel that if we are forced into this most unseemly arrangement, then it is entirely the responsibility of the base to obstruct every piece of legislation for the next four years where any of these odious frauds are concerned.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Thus the term...

..."the lesser of two evils."

--Mike

www.thebrattonreport.com

 

Serving two masters - big no no

Ted Kennedy must be getting a little nervous about now.

Not to late to make things right Ted....yet.

Something you "ardent Catholic" establishment media folks might want to consider as well.  Tick-tock...

An egg is an egg. A sperm

An egg is an egg. A
sperm is a sperm. When the egg and sperm
meet, you get life. The baby may reside
inside the mother but he/she is unique because that child has half the DNA from
the father and half of the DNA from the mother.
If you don’t believe that life begin at conception, why do people wear
condom, diaphragm, take birth control pill…

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