On Monday's The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly and FNC analyst Bernie Goldberg discussed the media's reluctance to report the National Enquirer's claims about John Edwards fathering a child with a mistress. O'Reilly expressed his own hesitance to delve into the matter, which he only vaguely referred to as "a difficult personal deal," contending that "I can't verify the story," and expressed concerns about the distress public exposure would cause the Edwards family. He further suggested that after more facts could be verified, that "I'll mention it, but I won't dwell on it."
Goldberg spoke of the double standard employed by the New York Times in its reluctance to cover the 2001 story of Jesse Jackson fathering a baby with an employee, while the Times more blazenly printed less solid allegations this year against John McCain. Goldberg: "The National Enquirer broke that story [about Jesse Jackson]. And when the New York Times finally decided to run it, they put it on page 21 under a one-column headline. Compare that to a story with two unnamed sources that think that maybe that I'm not sure, but I think that John McCain was having an affair with a lobbyist. That winds up on page one of the New York Times."
Below is a complete transcript of the discussion from the the Monday, August 4, The O'Reilly Factor on FNC:
BILL O'REILLY: "Impact" segment tonight, the John Edwards situation. As you may know, there are reports the former vice presidential candidate has had a difficult personal deal on his hands. These reports have appeared in the National Enquirer, a number of Web sites and newspapers like the New Jersey Star Ledger, the Arizona Republic, and a number of papers inside North Carolina where Edwards lives. The mainstream media, including the Factor, have avoided discussing the story. In our case, we simply don't know what happened. And it's impossible to verify the information we have seen. However, there are a number of people who say that if a Republican politician were involved, the mainstream media would run with the story all day long. Joining us now from North Carolina with his opinion, Fox News analyst Bernie Goldberg. So if you were in charge of a news agency, would you go with this?
BERNARD GOLDBERG: First, from a personal point of view, I'm with you. I feel uncomfortable about this. I don't like the humiliation. I don't like the pain that a story like this would cause. But journalistically, you have to come up with guidelines to decide when you would run a story like this. So I came up with a few.
Number one, and this is going to seem obvious, but it must be said: You have to know that the story is true. It doesn't matter that the other guy thinks it's true. You have to feel confident as an editor that it's true. Number two, if hypocrisy is involved, if the public figure is anti-gay, it turns out that he's gay, that's a legitimate news story. You have to run it. Bad judgment, if a person is being considered, let's say to be an attorney general in a new administration, and it turns out, if it turns out that he was involved in something where a woman gets pregnant and has a baby, that's bad judgment. That's bad judgment. The last one is let's be consistent. Let's not have one set of rules for liberal Democrats and another set of rules for conservative Republicans.
O'REILLY: That's never going to happen. I mean, we live in an age where the press is corrupt. And there's no doubt about it. But, look, a couple of things here. Edwards doesn't hold any office right now. He's a private citizen. I can't verify the story. I'm not doubting the story. I can't verify it. Once you report a story like that, you can't get the genie back in the bottle, as they say.
GOLDBERG: Right.
O'REILLY: Okay? So the allegation is there forever. And so based upon, and I did the same thing with Jesse Jackson a few weeks ago, based upon the greater good, because, I mean, I've seen it. I've seen damage done to people by the press that is incalculable. And it's not just about John Edwards. It's about his family, his children, and it's about everything else. So what I say is this. I'm not going to do it until I know it's true until something else happens. But I do know that if it were Mitt Romney instead of John Edwards, this would be on the front page of the New York Times. There's no doubt about it.
GOLDBERG: Right. Okay, I did a little research when I learned you wanted to talk about this. In January of 2001, a newspaper broke a story that Jesse Jackson had a baby with a woman he worked with out of wedlock. Jesse Jackson is an important figure. He's a minister. It's obviously a legitimate story. Did the New York Times break that story? No. Washington Post? No. Either of the Chicago newspapers where Jesse Jackson lives and works? No. The National Enquirer broke that story. And when the New York Times finally decided to run it, they put it on page 21 under a one-column headline.
Compare that to a story with two unnamed sources that think that maybe that I'm not sure, but I think that John McCain was having an affair with a lobbyist. That winds up on page one of the New York Times.
Now let me give you one more hypothetical. That really happened. I know the New York Times would say it wasn't a sex story, it was a lobbyist story. Right. Here's a hypothetical. What if Newt Gingrich or our friend Karl Rove, who was just on, were involved with a woman on the West Coast and had a baby with her out of wedlock. Do you think the New York Times would be as squeamish as it is with the John Edwards story? I don't think so.
O'REILLY: No, of course, they wouldn't. And all the network news on television would do the same thing. But here's the deal. The New York Times was punished dramatically for doing what it did to John McCain. Its circulation and ad revenue is way down. There's going to be a revolution among the stockholders over there. The paper's reputation is shot. All right? NBC news reputation, shot. All of the things that we have both said here are true. There is an obvious double standard. Every thinking American knows it. And they're walking away, Bernie, from these outlets. These outlets are being punished by the folks. It's not about the Internet. We're prospering here on Fox News. The Factor is prospering. Not about that. It's about everybody now knows the game. And the second thing isn't about, it's about fairness. And I don't have any use for John Edwards. Everybody knows that. He attacked me on a bogus thing, a homeless thing that we've proven to be a total charlatan. But I don't want to hurt him. I don't want to hurt his family. I don't want to hurt his children. And I'm not going to do it.
GOLDBERG: You see, that's where we sort of differ. I say if it turns out that the story is true, and if it's provably true, I really do feel terrible that it would hurt his family. I really do.
O'REILLY: I'll mention it, but I won't dwell on it.
GOLDBERG: But it's a legitimate. No, that's fair enough, exactly.
O'REILLY: Right.
GOLDBERG: That's a very good way to do it. You report it.
O'REILLY: But I won't dwell on it. And I certainly won't revel in it the way we have seen the other aforementioned media.
GOLDBERG: Absolutely a fair way to do it. I'm totally with you on that.




BERNARD GOLDBERG: First, from a personal point of view, I'm with you. I feel uncomfortable about this. I don't like the humiliation. I don't like the pain that a story like this would cause. But journalistically, you have to come up with guidelines to decide when you would run a story like this. So I came up with a few.













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"The mainstream media,
August 6, 2008 - 15:01 ET by Chris Norman"The mainstream media, including the Factor..."
Uh, Bill, are you sure you're a member of that august group? Because, I don't think they consider you a member.
McNotObama '08
John Edwards
August 6, 2008 - 15:22 ET by Emma GrumpThis is so tragic! The three major networks can not have horny Johnny denying this rumor of paternity, because they didn't dare report this rumor in the first place!
O'Reilly's "standards".
August 6, 2008 - 16:06 ET by Acts 2_38Bill O'Reilly is, pardon the expression, full of horsepuckey! There are TEN reporters who caught Edwards in the Hotel. There is a money chain that links strangely close to Edwards. There's the guy who "claims" to be the father ( Edwards assistant), who strangely had his alleged mistress over to his HOUSE with his WIFE and "other" CHILDREN! Check out Deceiver.com, they've been doing good work on it. BillO is just kissing democrat rear end so that he can "get" Obama. He did the same thing when Hillary was doing every thing but donning a KKK outfit in the primaries. O'Reilly just couldn't understand that her racist codewords were racist codewords! He defended Bill Clinton's likening of Obama's primary win in the south to Jesse Jackson's. Now, say what ya want about Obama, there's plenty to criticize, but Jackson was never within LIGHTYEARS of being the candidate that Obama is, and Clinton knew that. Jesse Jackson never won anywhere that was all Black, much less win in Iowa which is practically all White! So with the Dems' "southern strategy" on parade, O'Reilly feinted and parried to the point of absurdity, so that he could get the big "get", that is Hillary on Fox being interviewed. Now, he has his sights set on Obama and will in EVERY instance fail to see the forest for the trees. "TYPICAL WHITE PERSON?" No problema for O'Reilly! The Embracing of TERRORIST Bill Ayers? Hey, terrorists need love too! O'Reilly knows that Obama and Edwards may be the Democrats "dynamic duo" so ergo, "nothing to see here folks, keep it moving". "About that interview Mr Obama?".
Aside from the Congress
August 6, 2008 - 16:08 ET by marpelAside from the Congress going on vacation before something is done about the energy situation, this story is one of the most galling this summer. If this coverup isn't evidence the media is in the tank for the liberals, I don't know what is.
I used to love to watch O'Reilly. I can't watch him anymore. Very self absorbed.
O'Reilly
August 6, 2008 - 16:09 ET by TexndocHe really has to walk on egg shells, or should I say loofa sponges, when it comes to sex scandals. I'm a Reagan conservative and not a moonbat, but I don't want to hear this guy lecture me on appropriate response or non-response to a piece of political slime. I could not name another politician I would rather see cut down and cut down to inflict as much humiliation as possible.
Tex, I assume you're from
August 6, 2008 - 16:31 ET by marpelTex, I assume you're from Texas as I am. John Edwards is not what I call an honorable Southern man. His wife is dying, and he shows her this disrespect. It's appalling to me. Thank goodness I'm a healthy woman, but if I were sick and my husband did this, I don't know what I would do. And the other woman should be tarred and feathered too. Shame.
Yes
August 6, 2008 - 16:55 ET by TexndocYes, I am originally from Texas and I am a "doc" and I have always had a special dislike for this man ever since President Bush gave a State of the Union address and mentioned "malpractice reform" and the cameras closed in on this Senator who sat there stone-faced and like a statue while others around him stood and applauded. KARMA.
I think it's becoming clear the "party" who set him up is indeed his mistress who obviously has been nicely paid to do it by The Enquirer. I, too, can't wait for the "Benny Hill chase" hotel basement video. If it makes it to YouTube, I may have to add it to my other favorite, the John Edwards primping his hair for 10 minutes one, to the tune of Julie Andrews singing "I Feel Pretty".
A Pact of Irresponsibility
August 6, 2008 - 16:12 ET by BacchusThe competency and reliability of the left-stream-media is at an all-time low, in my opinion. Have they bottomed out yet? That, remains to be seen.
O'Reilly may *want* to avoid all sex scandals
August 6, 2008 - 16:27 ET by sarcasmoFor obvious reasons of his own, but that's not how things will be going today. He may as well either go on vacation & let Michelle Malkin handle the issue, or get used to it, because the Enquirer released some film. If my guess is right, more photos (and, if we're lucky, the fabled 'Benny Hill video' from the wee hours) will trickle out between now & Friday. It will get to the point that even Edwards will have to admit the "tabloid" has him dead center bullseye on this one, but I love how they're waiting for all the attacks on the Enquirer to spring-up fully before they're killed. It's beautiful PR work, IMO.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Hey sarc.... I didn't see
August 6, 2008 - 16:47 ET by bigtimerHey sarc....
I didn't see your OT posts today...
...anyway I did see the pictures this afternoon on HuffnPuff while looking for something else...
I don't quite know what to say about those pictures though, the one with his baby doesn't make me think for sure it is him, the other one does look more like him.
I don't think the rest of the msm is going to pay much attention to this, intentionally, no matter what.
Fox may, but if they are the only one to do so...this too shall pass...of course this shows no bias now does it.
Just my thoughts...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
hmnn
August 6, 2008 - 18:02 ET by sawing battakeep your powder dry. have some questions first...
1. why is he sweating? (dont answer that)
2. why is he in the window (camera from outside of the building looking in?) if he went through the trouble of sneaking in the hotel via the basement? If he knew the flashbulbs went off and he was made, wouldnt he quickly leave so he could claim he was just swinging, err, stopping by to see an old friend?
3. the curtains look identical, but he appears to be holding a string (raise/lower the blinds)...looking at the hilton website, it looks like both inner shade (white) and outer curtain (striped) use rods, not string to open/close.
4. Photo makes it look like daylight, though he arrived at the hotel at 9:30 pm. Maybe it's the strong flashbulbs - see #2 above.
has anyone wondered the same things? not saying any of these are deal breakers for the NE, but dont want to be another dan rather (albeit in pajamas) and chug the koolaid without asking...
silky need helpy
Thanks sarc that helped
August 6, 2008 - 17:04 ET by mastersofdeceitThanks sarc
that helped to explain this lol! I was wondering about the "striped curtains"
(vulgarity warning)
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/6/133349/1355/858/563587
BOR
August 6, 2008 - 18:01 ET by Paul GBOR is/has been so full of himself lately, (year or two, maybe longer), that I cant believe that he believes himself sometimes. I'll stomach his tv show The Factor, mainly when Bernies on, but his radio show, which airs here at 6pm, I can't listen to at all any more. I don't know if he tries to be devils advocate, or really is the devil. I think he just likes to hear his own voice.
But maybe I'm comparing him to Rush, who stands for and stands by everything he says. That's why we all love Rush. Also Tex is right, Bill has his own, how can I say,... 'problem', with this subject. maybe not a child out of wedlock, but something that you will never hear talked about again on The Factor.
Just my humble opinion.
Paul G... I could not
August 6, 2008 - 18:01 ET by bigtimerPaul G...
I could not agree more with every word you said.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Not to get off the subject,
August 6, 2008 - 18:28 ET by Paul GNot to get off the subject, but who I find myself watching more and more is Glenn Beck...although I rarely see him mentioned here.
Paul... I really like
August 6, 2008 - 18:37 ET by bigtimerPaul...
I really like him, I have him on right now.
Come to think of it, he isn't on here much.
In my area I would rather watch him, my husband likes some of Dobb's...some that I cannot stand too...so I try to block it out, illegal immigration is about all I tend to like Dobb's for.
I had never heard of Beck until Roger the Shrubber mentioned him quite awhile back now and informed us that he was going to have his own hour show on CNN...for me it started out bad, but I kept checking and watching, over time he has one of the best hour talking shows on the networks.
I love his sense of self-depreciation, his sense of humor, his wit, ect. while I don't always agree with him, but who does anybody...I am glad Rog turned me on to him.
I hope he last for years and his ratings go up....in fact I would love to see his time slot against BOR eventually...now that would be fun.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I can't get his radio
August 6, 2008 - 18:47 ET by Paul GI can't get his radio program here in St. Augustine, but I did sign up for his newsletter a few months back. And your right BT, I dont ALWAYS agree with him, but he does seem to be one of 'us'.
Certainly not full of himself. lol
Paul... You can get it
August 6, 2008 - 19:05 ET by bigtimerPaul...
You can get it here on your PC, I do in the mornings in my area anyway...
I do once in a great while, when I'm not busy and remember...
Go to TalkStreamLive.com
You can get all kinds of shows.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Big thank you BT, it even
August 6, 2008 - 19:35 ET by Paul GBig thank you BT, it even has Mark Levin..I put on favs
Paul... You are more than
August 6, 2008 - 19:39 ET by bigtimerPaul...
You are more than welcome...enjoy!
Btw...I too get Beck's daily newsletters.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I like to watch Beck
August 6, 2008 - 18:48 ET by Chris NormanI like to watch Beck (instead of O'Reilly), although sometimes, his pessimism about the economy gets depressing. He just doesn't give enough credit to it's resiliency. Plus, he sometimes gets to be a little too much in his mannerisms and mugging. Still, he's entertaining and a smart guy - smart enough to have Noel Sheppard on as a guest. Now, if he would just be on his own show a little more...
McNotObama '08
Bill...a quick memo
August 6, 2008 - 18:14 ET by AmericanEnergistI like the fact that you are tough on the usual suspects, but if you are going to take on a subject, don't tap dance around it
That is exactly what you did in that segment with Bernie Goldberg. You said 'I'm not going to talk about it, BUT IF I DID...'
Silky Pony has serious problems...let Greta run with the story.
www.ArmchairEnergist...
He pulled the same kind of
August 6, 2008 - 18:19 ET by Chris NormanO'Reilly pulled the same kind of stunt regarding the unaired portion of the Jesse Jackson comments - and Goldberg, to his credit, called him on it.
McNotObama '08