On Friday's Countdown show, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann used a sloppily worded statement by an 83-year-old decorated veteran, retired Colonel Bud Day, who volunteered for both World War II and the Vietnam War, and who ended up spending 30 months as a POW, a man whom Olbermann called "dangerously deluded" and derided as a "slob" and a "clown," to paint John McCain as agreeing with what the MSNBC host referred to as Day's "racism and religious hatred." After quoting part of a recent statement by Day in which he referred generically to "the Muslims," instead of "Muslim extremists," as wanting either to "kill us" or to force Americans to "kneel," Olbermann suggested that McCain "agrees" that Muslims in general are the enemy. As he tagged Day as "Worst Person in the World," Olbermann slammed McCain: "And you heard him [Day]: John agrees with him. As of tonight, John's campaign has refused to repudiate Day's racism and religious hatred. Maybe John needs to get rid of this clown but fast. Bud ‘The Muslims are Going to Kill Us' Day, today's ‘Worst Person in the World.'" (Transcript follows)
While Day's generic reference to "the Muslims" was inappropriate and deserves correction, in part of the same statement ignored by Olbermann, Day seemed to contradict the idea that he might view all Muslims as the enemy as he declared that America should "support the Iraqi government." Day: "And out here in the Panhandle, there's a ton of retired military, and they all expect our government to get in there and support the Iraqi government, get them to the point where they can carry on on their own, and then get the country stabilized and hopefully have a government along with Israel in the Middle East who has some kind of a relationship with us."
Audio of the relevant statement by Day can be found here.
And, contradicting Olbermann's claim that McCain believes Muslims in general are the enemy, on Friday a Fox News article reported that "A campaign spokesperson for McCain said Day intended to say Islamic extremists — an important distinction as some Muslims feel inappropriately discriminated against since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks."
Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of the Friday July 18 Countdown on MSNBC, followed by a transcript of some of Day's statement:
#From the Friday, July 18 Countdown:
"The Muslims." Not terrorists, not even Islamo-fascists, but "the Muslims." The Muslims who are opposing terror with us, the Muslims who have given authorities the world over leads and tips about terrorists, the Muslims who live peacefully and contribute to our nation. And you heard him: John agrees with him. As of tonight, John's campaign has refused to repudiate Day's racism and religious hatred. Maybe John needs to get rid of this clown but fast. Bud "The Muslims are Going to Kill Us" Day, today's "Worst Person in the World."
#Below is a portion of Bud Day's statement:
BUD DAY: John McCain will obviously be identified with the war because he has advocated the surge, he has said the war on terror is the most important thing that we have to have. And people forget, out in the press out in the public, that we're at war. Right now, we don't have any choice. The Muslims have said either we kneel, or they're going to kill us. I don't intend to kneel, and I don't advocate to anyone that we kneel, and John doesn't advocate to anybody that we kneel. And out here in the Panhandle, there's a ton of retired military, and they all expect our government to get in there and support the Iraqi government, get them to the point where they can carry on on their own, and then get the country stabilized and hopefully have a government along with Israel in the Middle East who has some kind of a relationship with us.
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Now I know why Olbermann is on television!
July 21, 2008 - 21:58 ET by jefflebowskiNow I know why Olbermann is on television! He couldn't get a job doing anything worthwhile. Responding to Olbermann is like responding to Chavez or Amadingdong. That man is so full of hate and is so pathetically stupid.
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Olbermann smearing
July 21, 2008 - 21:59 ET by SMGalbraithOlbermann smearing people? Dog bites man.
It'd be a news story if he didn't.
Anyway, exactly what "race" are Muslims?
Unbelievable
July 21, 2008 - 22:00 ET by BlondeKeith Olbermann is not fit to lick the bottom of Bud Day's boot.
This is the height of arrogance.
And if Barry is TOO FREAKIN' STUPID to understand who Bud Day is....he is too stupid to be running for Dog Catcher.
I'd really like to see a "Town Hall" meeting...I'd shove my way in there and ask Obama (the military genius) about his insult to this fine American.
Sorry, I am hot. This is a filthy, filthy insult.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Sorry, I am hot. This is
July 21, 2008 - 22:22 ET by CrimsonfistedSorry, I am hot. This is a filthy, filthy insult.
Agreed. That bears repeating.
He spent his career flying fighters with exception of 5 yrs 7 months as a
POW in Vietnam. He has 4900 hours single engine jet time, and about 8,000
hours total. He has flown the F-80, F-84, F-100, F-101, F-104, F-105, F-106,
F-4, A-4J, A-7, CF-5, F-15, F-16, and CF-18. He has been awarded every significant
combat decoration available from the US Air Force.
WhatAMaroon
While I respect his
July 21, 2008 - 22:56 ET by flashkingWhile I respect his service for this country -- a dog is still a dog. Where were you people when this "great man" smeared Kerry, another honest-to-god war hero? Does heroism only count if it's in the service of the GOP? Is it OK to belittle the service of every democratic warrior while crying to high heaven if anyone so much as questions the motives of Mr. Day?
Mr. Day probably served bravely, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt -- something he denied Mr. Kerry. But he's recently cashed in all of his "hero chips" by acting like an Un-American scoundrel. Sorry Bud, you can squander your legacy. You have.
Oh Please
July 21, 2008 - 23:03 ET by BlondeF'ing Kerry...."an honest-to-god" war hero? Lying about Cambodia, testifying about false massacres, tossing his (or someone's) medals, blah, blah, blah.
Slurp some more of that kook-aid, there, fella.
And slink off to wherever it is you came from. If you are too stupid to recognize a bona fide hero (too bad F'ing couldn't have awarded himself a MOH, huh, fella?)....you deserve to have your posting rights here revoked.
Your pathetic post is sickening. Totally, totally disgusting!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, I just came back to NBers,
July 21, 2008 - 23:19 ET by DEVILDOCMOMthank you for your posts on this issue, you have said EXACTLY what I would like to have said, only better.
Bud Day might have
July 21, 2008 - 23:30 ET by flashkingBud Day might have acted courageously in the past. He might even be a real hero.
However, today, right here and now, Bud Day is a partisan attack dog hiding behind his war medals while he attacks any democrat within range. That's a fact.
Real American Heroes stand up for what is best in this country, they don't roll in the mud fighting with the pigs. When you play dirty you get dirty and that tends to tarnish all those shiny medals. Sorry Bud, your hero credit is no good here any more.
Riiiiight, flash
July 21, 2008 - 23:39 ET by BlondeSo what heroic creds do you have, hmmm?
You're obviously a member in good standing of the 69th Liberal Keyboard Brigade.
Defending F'ing....and running down a Medal of Honor recipient.
"Might have been"....this from you.... a troll boy for the stinking coward F'ing. Sheesh, you are seriously going to have to come up with something much better than that. My God!
We need a better class of troll, here.
My disgust for you is so huge I have no more words.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, do you know which
July 21, 2008 - 23:46 ET by flashkingBlonde, do you know which damn party you lie for?
Uncle Flashking
Why?
July 21, 2008 - 23:49 ET by BlondeWas that supposed to have been clever?
Sorry. Not even close.
You earn an "F" for that.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
However, today, right here
July 22, 2008 - 08:09 ET by motherbeltHowever, today, right here and now, Bud Day is a partisan attack dog
hiding behind his war medals while he attacks any democrat within
range. That's a fact. - flashking
Sort of like John F'n Kerry? (if you change the Democrat to Republican).
And you just once again proved my point. A liberal will spout his opinion and then end the screed with "That's a fact."
As if that makes it irrefutable.
Everybody shut up now. Flashking has declared "That's a fact."
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
To Blonde and Others - John Kerry is an Undisputed True War Hero
July 22, 2008 - 03:30 ET by Rush FanLet's set the record straight about John Kerry's war record once and for all!
Just because he served in Vietnam a very, very short time (4 months and 12 days), John Kerry is considered by many (including John Kerry himself) to be a war hero. Here is the indisputable evidence:
1. John Kerry’s fellow Swift officers, to a man, fully support him 100 percent. For example, Swift officer Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge) of Kerry's boat group, reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be removed from his boat group”
2. Captain Charles Plumly, USN (retired) who War Hero John Kerry served under for those very long 4 months and 12 days has nothing but praise for this fine young officer: “Kerry would be described as devious, self-absorbing, manipulative, disdain for authority, disruptive, but the most common phrase that you'd hear is 'requires constant supervision.'"
3. Just as he strongly supports our troops now, during the Vietnam war, War Hero John Kerry bravely supported his fellow servicemen’s actions, even when others vehemently disagreed with him: “I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.“
“They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country..”
I hope the evidence I have presented here will close the debate forever on whether War Hero John Kerry is truly a deserving War Hero.
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"They are actively promoting the decline of America." ~ Rush Limbaugh on liberals and Democrats
Rush
July 22, 2008 - 03:38 ET by Cool ArrowIs that a Heinz Ketchup stain on those fatigues, or should we give him another Purple Heart?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Cool Arrow
July 22, 2008 - 04:21 ET by Rush FanWhen someone mentions stains, the only stains that come to mind were the stains (I guess they could be ketchup) on Monica Lewinsky’s dress.
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I'm voting for Barack Obama now that an AP poll shows people would rather barbecue burgers with Barack Obama than with John McCain.
RF.... ...Now that would
July 22, 2008 - 04:28 ET by bigtimerRF....
...Now that would be a new definition of ketchup.
....Dang me.....but the Clinton era could always redefine things...
It just depends of the definition of what ketchup is...is....
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Don't mean to be gross
July 22, 2008 - 05:09 ET by Cool ArrowOK maybe I do, but Heinz does have a mayonnaise commercial along those lines.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Yeah...but we were talking
July 22, 2008 - 05:16 ET by bigtimerYeah...but we were talking about ketchup...
...big difference.
Unless you are a leftist twit trying to morph ketchup into mayonnaise...
Know what I mean?
...LOL...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bigtimer
July 22, 2008 - 05:12 ET by Rush Fan"It just depends of the definition of what ketchup is...is...."
Funny! Very Funny!
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"They are actively promoting the decline of America." ~ Rush Limbaugh on liberals and Democrats
flash_in_the_pan_king, Kerry a war hero? ROFLM*O!
July 21, 2008 - 23:38 ET by R D HelmJust what, praytell, have you been smoking?
Kerry spent about four months in Vietnam, faked a wound or two, got himself a couple of Purple Hearts he didn't deserve, then hightailed it back to the safety and comfort of his domestic digs, from which he began to accuse his former comrades of atrocities that have since been proven beyond any doubt to have never happened!
McCain underwent over five years of captivity by those Godless commie bastards, during which he suffered abuses that are still affecting him to this very day!
If you are so lacking in even fundamental linear logic (say, that of a private-schooled first grader) that you are wholly unable to prioritize these totally seperate events into their proper context, then perhaps you should consider signing up over at DU.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Hi there -- If you "are so
July 21, 2008 - 23:43 ET by flashkingHi there -- If you "are so lacking in even fundamental linear logic (say, that of a private-schooled third grader) ..." maybe you (R D Helm) would notice that I said nothing about grandpa McCain. I was talking about B. Day. He's the crook I was after.
Flash_in_the_can, I know full well you did not mention McCain.
July 22, 2008 - 02:20 ET by R D HelmI never said that you did. I was simply providing McCain's experience in Vietnam as a reference.
-And I am not a McCAin supporter for POTUS. Ask anyone here.
Of course, had Kerry only flown over Vietnam then high-tailed it for home, you would still consider him a war hero.
If Kerry is such a war hero, why is he still refusing to release his REAL discharge papers?
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Maybe John Kerry is guilty
July 22, 2008 - 00:33 ET by NL207Maybe John Kerry is guilty as charged?
I think Kerry's original discharge was something other than 'honorable'. Why else would he copntinue to conceal his full military record after all these years?
You probably do not know this, but some years ago, back during Carter, I think, there was an amnesty offered to all Vietnam era draft dodgers and so forth such as those who fled to Canada. One of the things that was done during that general amnesty was an offer to all former service members who served/separated during the Vietnam era with less than honorable discharges to make application to have their discharges amended to 'honorable' status. the original intention was to allow persons who might have been disciplined for 'concientious objection' to make amends. The result of a successful application replaced the applicant's original 214R with a new one reflecting an honorable separation. The old, "bad paper" was destroyed completely, and all overt record of it wiped clean. However, because John Kerry was an Officer, HIS discharge might have been accompanied by a BOI or some other similar disciplinary action, which might still be in his record, like in that part he won't release.
You are one of the people who lacks the intestinal fortitude to demand to see what Kerry is hiding and instead casts slurs on his accusers, many of whom not only served in Vietnam contemporaneously to Kerry, but actually served WITH Kerry and are eye witnesses to what went on there. These folks oppose Kerry by something better than a 10:1 margin. That fact doesn't seem to faze kool-aid kids like you but it tells me everything I need to know about who is telling the truth here.
NL...Kerry released his discharge
July 22, 2008 - 01:07 ET by JerNL..Kerry released his discharge records long ago. No surprises: HONORABLE
Jer
Ahh No Jer.
July 22, 2008 - 01:19 ET by upcountrywaterlink or slink...
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
ucw...Betcha!
July 22, 2008 - 01:25 ET by Jerucw...Betcha!
Jer
jer that includes form 180?? LMAO
July 22, 2008 - 01:35 ET by upcountrywaterLiberals62%
IranianUranium
Sorry to spoil the fun, ucw
July 22, 2008 - 03:53 ET by JerSorry to spoil the fun, ucw, but Form 180 was apparently executed by Kerry over three years ago.
Jer
So Jer
July 22, 2008 - 14:33 ET by okiehawk44So you're saying Kerry was one of those who had a "less than honorable" discharge changed to "honorable" during the Carter presidency?
No, okie...but it would
July 22, 2008 - 15:47 ET by JerNo, okie...but it would seem [since neither I nor anyone else has mentioned it] that perhaps you are. Are you?
Jer
edit. Sorry, okie...I just noticed that NL did suggest that in his original post. I doubt that it happened, but I can't prove or disprove it.
jer, where is it now?
July 22, 2008 - 16:04 ET by upcountrywatersigned 3 years ago.
hillbillyking linked a Carteresk form, not form SF-180
Insteresting.
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
To what "Carteresk" form
July 22, 2008 - 16:16 ET by JerTo what "Carteresk" form are you referring? At the time of Kerry's release of records which appear at findlaw, he had not executed a form 180. He then did so about three years ago.
Jer
Jer, you are.....
July 22, 2008 - 02:21 ET by HillbillyKingcorrect.
http://news.findlaw....
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Thanks for the support, HillbillyKing.
July 22, 2008 - 03:44 ET by JerThanks for the support, HillbillyKing. I am familiar with the findlaw site and had previously reviewed Kerry's records available there in .pdf files--including his honorable discharge from service.
Unfortunately, I think there will always be questions and doubts harbored by the skeptics, and, to be fair, Kerry must shoulder much of the blame. His selected unresponsiveness and document release delays understandably generated suspicions which I am sure will persist even if he were to authorize the Secretary of the Navy to sit down with John O'Neill and jointly review each and every piece of paper remotely related to his military service. If the critics fail to find the evidence sought, they will simply claim it was expunged by nefarious cronies of Kerry bent on covering up his "crimes".
Jer
Good point Jer
July 22, 2008 - 03:51 ET by Cool ArrowHe's loathed more for his unsubstantiated claims against fellow soldiers than anything he actually did during his tour.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
You are absolutely correct, Cool.
July 22, 2008 - 04:02 ET by JerYou are absolutely correct, Cool. I was critical of the war, but still believed Kerry's anti-war activities were excessive and revealed serious lapses in judgment.
Jer
Liberal illiterate. What
July 22, 2008 - 19:33 ET by NL207Liberal illiterate. What did I say about the Carter Amnesty program? It would erase a blemished discharge and replace it with an unblemished discharge.
Second, Kerry never made his record public. He released them to a sympatetic reviewer, The Boston Globe, and not to the general public. That is not what I call making the record public. When you and the rest of these lefty apologists say he released them, this is a gross distortion of the truth. The have not been made public. Period. The Globe has never published them nor divulged what was in them it its entirety.
You're a flaming
July 22, 2008 - 21:55 ET by JerYou're a flaming ignoramous, NL...Do some objective research and analysis, and then come back and let's discuss it without the name-calling.
Jer
edit. I misspelled "ignoramus". I guess if I'm accusing someone of being one, I should at least spell it correctly.
And the most significant award received by Col. Day..
July 22, 2008 - 02:01 ET by HillbillyKingTHE MEDAL OF HONOR
(Full Text Citation)
DAY, GEORGE E.
Rank and organization: Colonel (then Major), U.S. Air Force, Forward
Air Controller Pilot of an F-100 aircraft. Place and date: North
Vietnam, 26 August 1967. Entered service at: Sioux City, Iowa. Born:
24 February 1925, Sioux City, Iowa. Citation: On 26 August 1967,
Col. Day was forced to eject from his aircraft over North Vietnam
when it was hit by ground fire. His right arm was broken in 3 places,
and his left knee was badly sprained. He was immediately captured
by hostile forces and taken to a prison camp where he was interrogated
and severely tortured. After causing the guards to relax their vigilance,
Col. Day escaped into the jungle and began the trek toward South
Vietnam. Despite injuries inflicted by fragments of a bomb or rocket,
he continued southward surviving only on a few berries and uncooked
frogs. He successfully evaded enemy patrols and reached the Ben
Hai River, where he encountered U.S. artillery barrages. With the
aid of a bamboo log float, Col. Day swam across the river and entered
the demilitarized zone. Due to delirium, he lost his sense of direction
and wandered aimlessly for several days. After several unsuccessful
attempts to signal U.S. aircraft, he was ambushed and recaptured
by the Viet Cong, sustaining gunshot wounds to his left hand and
thigh. He was returned to the prison from which he had escaped and
later was moved to Hanoi after giving his captors false information
to questions put before him. Physically, Col. Day was totally debilitated
and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. Despite
his many injuries, he continued to offer maximum resistance. His
personal bravery in the face of deadly enemy pressure was significant
in saving the lives of fellow aviators who were still flying against
the enemy. Col. Day's conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the
risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping
with the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great
credit upon himself and the U.S. Armed Forces.
Nuff said!!
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
On the other hand....
July 22, 2008 - 02:07 ET by HillbillyKingHere's what awards Olbermann has received.
Olbermann is the recipient of numerous distinguished awards in radio
and television broadcasting, including the 1995 Cable Ace Award for
Best Sportscaster, 11 Golden Mike Awards for excellence in television
and radio, and four Sports Emmy Awards. Olbermann also received an
Edward R. Murrow Award for his coverage of the events of 9/11.(from ms(m)nbc website)
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Blonde, I have had the
July 21, 2008 - 23:08 ET by Trix RabbitBlonde,
I have had the opportunity to meet Col. Bud Day. He is a fine gentleman as well as a man who does much for the community and his country.
The real slobs and clowns are Keith Uberdork and that smarmy dessicated old hag who accompanies him on Countdown. They aren't even worthy to lick Col. Day's boot, let alone breath the same air as this good American.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
That's cool, Trix
July 21, 2008 - 23:14 ET by BlondeFunny, you & I should use the same words...not fit to lick the boot of....
How do you like the new troll? F'ing's a war-hero troll. Sheesh...how hard is it to send these Kos-kidlets packing? One post and they fold.
If you ever meet the gentleman again, kindly send my regards. I know he lives in Florida somewhere, and is a huge supporter of all things good in his community.
KO is pond scum.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde, New troll? I
July 21, 2008 - 23:27 ET by Trix RabbitBlonde,
New troll? I don't see anything different than the old ones except the baseness of their verbal flatulence. And whoever honestly believes that John F'ing Kerry is a war hero either knows nothing about the military or is intentionally trying to be funny.
BTW. Col. Day resides in Fort Walton Beach and is a strong advocate for veteran's issues. He is doing a wonderful job of making sure that congress doesn't further erode the promises made to our veterans. Good one on him!
It's a far cry from what those pandering smut-mongers on MSNBC are doing.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
Here I am. I wasn't
July 21, 2008 - 23:36 ET by flashkingHere I am. I wasn't retreating just bathing my children. You're wrong about everything, but you are entertaining. Sort of like Sean Hannity.
Talk to you later.
Gee, and you're just like Alan Colmes
July 21, 2008 - 23:43 ET by BlondeOnly more naive and dumber (as if that is possible!).
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
To be fair. Just about
July 21, 2008 - 22:12 ET by Cureboy675To be fair. Just about everybody in politics and in the media is guilty of this to some degree. Some people whispering under their breaths "I think Obama might be a Muslim". I guess the purpose being to portray Obama has having some sort of secret, sinister intentions. Meanwhile the other side standing up and shouting "Absolutely not. Obama is NOT a Muslim!!". As if somebody had just accused Obama of strangling a small kitten.
I still think I missed the memo where Muslims were named Pure Evil. But everybody else in the country is running around like that edict has already been made.
To be fair. Just about
July 21, 2008 - 22:23 ET by SMGalbraithTo be fair. Just about everybody in politics and in the media is guilty of this to some degree
Before labeling someone a racist and a religious bigot, don't you think Olbermann had an obligation to contact Mr. Day and get a fuller explanation of what he (Day) was saying?
It certainly seems possible to me that Mr. Day was using shorthand and was referring to the Islamists or radical elements in the Muslim world and not all Muslims.
Calling someone a racist is a serious charge. One should be absolutely sure of the evidence.
Especially if you're making the charge on national television.
I don't mean Keith
July 21, 2008 - 22:29 ET by Cureboy675I don't mean Keith Olbermann's behavior. I mean Mr Day's allegedly racist behavior. The media has been doing this "Muslims are evil" bit very subtly for months. And so they call out this poor guy who is 80-something years old and simply forgot to add a key word. Its silly.
Absolutely Keith Olbermann went overboard. He always does. That's why I finally got tired of him and rarely watch his show anymore.
cureboy
July 21, 2008 - 22:27 ET by Blonde"strangling a small kitten", as you so quaintly put it....is nothing compared to insulting someone like Bud Day.
So why don't you try again?
Keith, and Obama by inference in supporting his idiocy, are supremely ignorant, and dare I say it about the Obamamessiah.....UNPATRIOTIC!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I'm sorry. I think its
July 21, 2008 - 22:33 ET by Cureboy675I'm sorry. I think its sounding like I'm trying to defend Keith Olbermann. And I'm not. He was absolutely 100% wrong about Mr Day.
Actually, I was trying to defend Mr. Day. Meaning that even if his statements were racist (and I don't believe thats the case) Mr. Day is hardly the only one making that sentiment...In a public manner no less.
The point I was trying to make is that somehow, at some point, it has become something of a Scarlet Letter to be labelled a Muslim. And I wish I knew why that was the case.
Fair enough, cb
July 21, 2008 - 22:42 ET by BlondeI see what you were trying to get at. Thanks for clarifying.
And I agree, Bud Day sees things from the wisdom of his years. And I think the answer to your question, is that the "Scarlet Letter" was attached to muslims the day two planes hit the Trade Centers, and one went down in microscopic pieces in the PA countryside. With no denuciations from the rest of the religion of peace.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde,
July 21, 2008 - 23:16 ET by RESTLESS 1Yup. I believe you summed it up quite well.
Truth, feel free to call us racists now.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Restless
July 21, 2008 - 23:20 ET by BlondeI've ceased caring about Truthie and his bs quite a long time ago.
He's boring, and useless, here.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Yeah. That seems to be the
July 21, 2008 - 23:16 ET by Cureboy675Yeah. That seems to be the impression that I'm getting from everybody working on presidential campaigns or in the American media these days. That most Muslisms in this country either support or are currently complicit in attempts to bring this country to our knees.
Although, if that's the case. They need to just go ahead and come right out and say it instead of all this nonsense: "Did you hear what Hillary Clinton said: Obama's not a Muslim...As far as she knows. Did you hear that unspoken accusation??"
If we're going to go ahead and label an entire group that way. Let's at least go ahead and do it loudly so there's no confusion.
You're missing the point, Cureboy
July 21, 2008 - 23:32 ET by BlondeThe muslims are new immigrants to this country. It is up to them to "get along".
By not condeming the radical element(s) of their foreign bretheren, they invite the suspicion and derision of the rest of us.
THEIR SILENCE ON THE MATTER IS DEAFENING!
Sorry for the shouting. But that's the way it is.
All it would have taken, after 9-11, would have been some of the "muslim community" leaders to have condemed such a heinous act by their so-called co-religionists.
But they didn't do that. They remained silent. And in a closed-wagon society. So they have implicitly invited all of the suspicion we have about them, and their religion, and their ultimate goals.
Not to mention the radicals here, like the flying imams, and the whack-jobs who insist upon not driving cabs with dogs, or ringing up pork in the grocery store. That behaviour is not going to be tolerated here by any of us. It's xenophobic, and if they want to live in the sand....go back to the sand. Or England. Either way.
So instead of pointing the finger at those of us in America who are Americans....someone ought to give these people a clue about kind of behaviour is expected when you are a resident in this glorious country.
And if that concept is too difficult to understand, for those who practice the religion of peace, they are cordially invited go to back to wherever it is they came from. Poste Haste.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I know what you mean with
July 21, 2008 - 23:58 ET by Cureboy675I know what you mean with that disgusting Xenophobic behavior. I got even more for you:
Those damn Latinos. You want to come to America: Speak English!
Those damn blacks. You want Black History Month, go back to Africa...They celebrate Black History ALL YEAR!!
Those damn Germans. With that whole Ok-toberfest business. There's more to life than sausages!!
Those damn Jews. You have to wear those silly yamikas everwhere?? We get the point...You're Jewish!!
Those damn Italians: "Chicken Alfredo"?? What the hell is Alfredo?? Don't you have any menus in ENGLISH??
Those damn females: "Lifetime Television for Women"?? Are you saying guys can't produce worthwhile programming? Enough with the "Golden Girls" marathons, too!
It must be stopped!!!
cureboy
July 22, 2008 - 00:06 ET by BlondeThat's just ignorant....and if that is what you are going to reply to me with....that's it, I'm done with you.
Keep drinking the kool-aid.
I thought you might be worthwhile, but I guess I was mistaken.
Have a nice life.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Why is it ignorant? Are
July 22, 2008 - 08:58 ET by Cureboy675Why is it ignorant? Are all of my statements pure ignorance but your example of xenophobic behavior is the only one rooted in fact and not the result of some kind of bigoted sentiment?
Seriously. I'm trying to understand the rules of who is fair game and who isn't. So I know when to say "Oh my gosh that is just racism" and when to say "Hell yeah. I couldn't have said it better myself"
You see, I never got the handbook.
cureboy hypocrits don't
July 22, 2008 - 22:02 ET by TruthMongercureboy hypocrits don't like the taste of their own meds:)
¢¢ - scorecard
July 22, 2008 - 22:07 ET by Free StinkerBlonde: 1
curetroll: 0
"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)
Let's pick this one apart.
July 22, 2008 - 13:12 ET by ArcherBAgreed. English is the language spoken here. If you want to become an American, that's the language you speak. Not that I feel they should FORCED to speak it, but it is to the benefit of all that they at least know how. I had to 12 years of English in public school as mandated by the state. Immigrants should at least know how to speak it.
Also,
as a Texan and father of a "Latino" descended child, I don't like your
attitude toward hispanics. Calling them "Damn Latinos" is racist. Now, I understand you are attempting a parody here, but if you are trying to parot conservatives, your attempt is trying to show conservatives as racist. That's a charge that is not taken lightly and unless you can back it up, I suggest you STFU. Making that charge in the real world would get your teeth kicked in. Then you would have to call us "Rathitht".
What does "Black History Month" have to do with
anything. Blacks have been in America for generations and are a valued
part of the American society. I think that black history month
illustrates that point and gives pride where it is sorely lacking.
Black history is a part of American history that has been ignored for
years.
Besides, black Americans are not trying to convert America
into some sort of African paradise. They are trying to get recognized
for their significant contribution to American culture.
German culture has been integrated into American culture, and is
therefore, part of American culture. Not that it matters as Germans
believe many of the things Americans believe to the point of being
indistinguishable. Even Oktoberfest is no different than any other
"American" festival, minus the ooompa-loompa music. Sausage, beer,
funnel cakes... all part of any "American" festival.
Jews don't try to force others to wear "yamikas". They don't kill their little girls when they choose not to.
Italians don't get jobs at supermarkets and refuse to ring up
non-roma tomatoes. Italians don't form organizations to try to stop
Oktoberfest from happening because they find it offensive. Italians
don't threaten to cut off the heads of the HBO execs because "The
Sopranos" show Italians in an unfavorable light.
No one forces you to watch "Lifetime". Just as no one forces women
to watch "Spike TV" or the "Sci-Fi" channel. If there is a market for
such channels, the cable companies are free to carry them. If a
"Mo-Time" Muslim channel would get viewers and advertising dollars, I
wouldn't see a problem with it.
Besides, women are just as much
a part of American culture as men are. They were here at the
beginning. (We wouldn't be here if they weren't!)
If you are talking about your assenine examples, I agree!
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara
ArcherB, "[N]o one forces
July 22, 2008 - 13:45 ET by MassConservArcherB,
"[N]o one forces women to watch "Spike TV" or the "Sci-Fi" channel." My wife would like strongly disagree with that statement. She's most tired of Power Block and Stargate: SG1. ;-)
That said, nice dissection of CB's ridiculous "parody".
actually Americans should
July 22, 2008 - 22:02 ET by TruthMongeractually Americans should speak AMERICAN
and not steal someone else's language:(
Cure,
July 21, 2008 - 23:35 ET by RESTLESS 1Sorry, but I still have the memories of elated Muslims dancing in the streets while 3,000 of our innocent countrymen were falling to or burning to death. If you will allow blacks to hold on to their rage after all of this time, then you'll kindly allow me a few more years, yes? And some contrition from muslims would go a long way as well.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
You think you were alone in
July 21, 2008 - 23:50 ET by Cureboy675You think you were alone in the outrage with the Muslims who celebrated the death of 3000 Americans? It made me sick. Trust me, said outrage was not isolated to conservatives.
Of course there are some Muslims that are out to do us harm. But I'm not prepared to automatically assume every Muslim I meet is prepared to do us harm. The very fact that they had to ship those 9/11 Muslims in from overseas, despite the fact that we had how many million of them already living here...
But you know what? Nevermind. Actually it's not a bad idea. From now on all the following apply for me:
- All Muslims: Prepared to annihilate the United States, be mindful
- All "Patriots" with 1,000 semi-automatic rifles living on compounds in Idaho: Prepared to blow up a Federal building, avoid business in those buildings
- All African Americans: Still bitter and outraged about slavery. Be on the lookout for them spitting in my food.
- All straight guys: Ready to beat gay guys to a pulp. Act butch in public
- All members of Newsbusters: Sure Muslims are out to destroy us all. Denounce Islam at every turn to avoid complications.
That's enough of a start for now...
Cureboy
July 21, 2008 - 23:55 ET by BlondeI'm truly disappointed.
Truly.
I've treated you with respect, here.
Yet you feel it's fine to denigrate the NB community, of which you are trying to become a part by posting here.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
You might be missing my
July 22, 2008 - 00:01 ET by Cureboy675You might be missing my point. Just point me to the list of generalizations that are OK and the ones that are not OK. Give me a number...A percentage of population that needs to display a certain type of behavior before that behavior can statistically be proven as a true characteristic of that group as opposed to a gross generalization...
And then we'll be in business.
double post
July 22, 2008 - 00:26 ET by MrShysee below, sorry...