During MSNBC's live coverage of the Kentucky and Oregon Democratic presidential primaries on Tuesday, NBC's Andrea Mitchell seemed to take seriously suggestions by Hillary Clinton "loyalists" who argue that Republicans in control of the election process in some red states Barack Obama hopes to carry may deny him a "fair vote" in the November general election. Mitchell: "Other Clinton loyalists, but realists, say that that electoral map is a stretch in one regard: There are ... Republican governors and Secretaries of State, if you will, Katherine Harris-type election officials in those states. ... [Obama] has to go up against the establishment, which would be Republican, and he has to figure out a way to get a fair vote, if he's the nominee, in those red states." (Transcript follows) [audio available here]
During an interview with Lisa Caputo of the Clinton campaign, Caputo commented that the possibility of Clinton winning the popular vote among Democratic primary and caucus voters while Obama wins the delegate count reminds her of the 2000 election. Matthews then contended that Al Gore "may well have won the election" if he had requested a statewide recount instead of "just a couple of counties" because Gore might have won most "intended votes."
A few minutes later, at about 7:56 p.m., Mitchell appeared and brought up an accusation by the Clinton campaign, which Mitchell treated as credible by calling her sources on the Clinton campaign "realists," that "Katherine Harris-type election officials" in some red states may make it difficult for Obama to carry some states he hopes to win, as Obama would have to "figure out a way to get a fair vote." Mitchell:
[The Obama campaign have] been arguing that their electoral map is different, that they can do this with North Carolina and Colorado, and other places where they have won either primaries or caucuses. Other people, I should point out, other Clinton loyalists, but realists, say that that electoral map is a stretch in one regard: There are, you know, Republican governors and Secretaries of State, if you will, Katherine Harris-type election officials in those states. So, even though he may have won primaries or caucuses in those states, he has to go up against the establishment, which would be Republican, and he has to figure out a way to get a fair vote if he's the nominee in those red states.
Below is a transcript of the relevant comments from MSNBC on Tuesday May 20:
LISA CAPUTO, CLINTON CAMPAIGN ADVISOR, AT 7:47 P.M.: In a way, I feel like we're having a conversation dating back to 2000 and the presidential election when Al Gore won the popular vote and it had to go to the Supreme Court. The point is, we've got a system, it is around delegates, but you can't ignore when a candidate is ahead in a popular vote. You can't. And that's what the superdelegates are waiting for, and that's why the Clinton campaign is making it's case to the superdelegates on electability. ...
CHRIS MATTHEWS: I have to go back since I think I sympathize with one view. If Al Gore and his people had asked for a complete recount in Florida back in 2000, they may well have won Florida, and with it the Electoral College. And that is, of course, the clawing reality of that whole thing, isn't it, that they could have had a different strategy and perhaps they did get the most intended votes in Florida? They may well have won the election had they not pursued a narrow strategy of asking for just a couple of counties to be recounted.
CAPUTO: It could have been, absolutely.
MATTHEWS: Thank you, we're on the same page.
...ANDREA MITCHELL, AT 7:56 P.M.: They've been arguing that their electoral map is different, that they can do this with North Carolina and Colorado, and other places where they have won either primaries or caucuses. Other people, I should point out, other Clinton loyalists, but realists, say that that electoral map is a stretch in one regard: There are, you know, Republican governors and Secretaries of State, if you will, Katherine Harris-type election officials in those states. So, even though he may have won primaries or caucuses in those states, he has to go up against the establishment, which would be Republican, and he has to figure out a way to get a fair vote if he's the nominee in those red states.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




LISA CAPUTO, CLINTON CAMPAIGN ADVISOR, AT 7:47 P.M.: In a way, I feel like we're having a conversation dating back to 2000 and the presidential election when Al Gore won the popular vote and it had to go to the Supreme Court. The point is, we've got a system, it is around delegates, but you can't ignore when a candidate is ahead in a popular vote. You can't. And that's what the superdelegates are waiting for, and that's why the Clinton campaign is making it's case to the superdelegates on electability. ...















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Stunning Stupidity
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 01:47 ET by reasonsjesterI am weary of this dog and pony show. Al Gore did not win by ANY count imaginable. Eight years later the MSM still doesn't know how to count and they don't know what the Electoral College is. Who left they keys to the media out so these sophomoric jackasses can hijack it and take it for a drive-by?
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
Katherine Harris-type?
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 02:00 ET by Parker1227Better than running into a Al Gore-type sore looser who demands recounts until someone stumbles onto the votes that they need.
The governor in Washington State, Christine Gregoire, actually pulled off this trademark Al Gore scam in 2005.
She lost the election to Republican Dino Rossi by a mere 42 votes (after the first mandatory machine recount brought his lead down from 261). So the dems in liberal King County dug up a few hundred legitimately rejected ballots and demanded that their owners be tracked down to verify and correct the mistakes which had disqualified them by law.
They got Gregoire her votes and the liberal courts backed-up the steal all the way to and including the state supreme court.
Disqualified votes in conservative counties were not re-considered.
This is what democrats mean by making every vote count (every democrat vote that is).
I didn't know that. Ah,
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 06:50 ET by motherbeltI didn't know that. Ah, yes, the favored Democrat tactic: the "selective" recount.
Andrea Mitchell diatribe
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 12:51 ET by merlin61Yes, Dems won't be happy until every Dem vote
is counted twice!!!
I'm glad
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 04:11 ET by lumpyNB caught that. I noticed it immediately when I was watching the coverage and my jaw dropped.
MSNBC's bias is so blatant now that I'm surprised there isn't more of an uproar and more mention of it in the media.
Of course we won't see any mention of it in the msm.
I read the first paragraph
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 06:26 ET by motherbeltI read the first paragraph of this story here, thought "Oh, for crying out loud!" and stopped reading.
You're right..they are absolutely blatant about it now.
I've said before, coverage of every election begins with the assumption that Republicans will use an "attack machine." Their coverage is to ask Republican operatives if they are going to "attck" this or that; and to ask Democrats how they plan to respond to Republican "attacks"....or attempts to "paint" the candidate as this or that.
Apparently the assumptions have expanded to the possibility of cheating in the actual election.
Eking out a victory
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:35 ET by KC MulvillePretty soon they'll be telling us that Jimmy Carter "barely" lost to Ronald Reagan. The facts don't matter, What matters is what they can sell without being penalized for lying. Al Gore lost the rest of Florida handily. He chose to contest only the counties where he may have had a shot at winning, but wanted to avoid the others.
As for Andrea Mitchell and the suggestion that a Democrat won't get a fair shot in a red state ... which is more likely?
I'm waiting for Mitchell to answer that one.
Well, you can at least be
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:43 ET by NL207Well, you can at least be sure the dead people in Chicago will all have their ballots carefully counted!
Excellent point.
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 12:48 ET by LastlibertarianExcellent point.
setting the stage
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 04:11 ET by the mad poleNot a confident lot. Not expecting the dead to vote this time around?
large cities - the real problem
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:47 ET by Ten7sYep! Election fraud in large cities is the real problem. But since it benefits Democrats, the MSM won't ever address it, and since in great measure it involves minorities, other media outlets of any size are afraid to touch this out of control election fraud for fear of being bludgeoned by the PC crowd or targeted by shakedown artists like Jesse Jackson.
Grrr took my point from
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 12:24 ET by RbastidGrrr took my point from me. I was going to point out how Republicans in Chicago will get a fair shot, all the dead ones will be allowed to vote Dem this year.
How would cheating by either side even be possible??
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 04:22 ET by sarcasmoWe have been blessed with the wonders of modern voting machines instead of those dastardly old fashioned paper ballots! What could possibly go wrong???
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
The same guys who steal the
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:45 ET by NL207The same guys who steal the personal data of thousands of vets from the VA will pervert these voting machines.
I like Prof. Rubin's challenge
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:57 ET by sarcasmoHere. In the short essay, "ITA" refers to "Independent" Testing Authorities, which are apparently employed by the voting machine vendors. I wish the media would pay more (meaning "some") attention to this issue.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Same as it ever was
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 05:16 ET by Semper Fi_USAThey ( Libs, and media) fought to get the military vote excluded, and argued about chads... The sad thing is that the media, and Dem's continue to act as if Gore actually won.
The problem is that many people seem to agree even though it has been demonstrated over, and over that Gore did not win, and could not have won unless a couple hundred of those Vote-a-matic machines they caught the Dem's with had made it to a re-count.
The hypocrisy of the Left is staggering, they are caught again and again cheating, then plant a seed that the Republicans might try to cheat...
Again the inference is that Gore won. I personally think they should count the Military vote first... They are the ones laying it on the line for the right to vote in our country.
Devil Dog
pure projection
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 10:55 ET by wizardjrTheir rock throwing is purely projection. They know what they would do, so they expect the Republicans to do it too.
Which Side?
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 11:45 ET by Eileen RightSupports Felons getting to vote?
Opposes Voter ID laws?
Demands extended voting hours to accommodate the "disenfranchised"?
American Dream – 10,000 politicians swimming to Europe with a lawyer under each arm.
oooooora
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 14:53 ET by mooreusmcoooooora
I am not sure what annoys
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 05:44 ET by gopsteveI am not sure what annoys me more...
The blatant bias, or the fact that noelected Republican ever calls them on it while the claims that FOX is biased are always there
Elected Republicans
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 09:07 ET by jefflebowskiGOP, the reason that the Republicans don't ever defend themselves or their policies is because they are a bunch of wussypants idiots!
NO Republican has the cajones to fight for what they believe (if they believe in anything anymore). It starts at the top. If I was President, I would be ripping the dims every single day on not allowing drilling in Anwar and off of the coasts. Do we hear ONE SINGLE WORD? What a clueless bunch of girly-men! One thing you do have to give the Dims is that they know how to go for the jugular. Pelosi and Reid have pushed Bush and the Wussypants around for 8 years.
I've been sending this very
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 10:32 ET by mattmI've been sending this very message to the GOP and the RNC since the 1995 cave-in...when Newt and the boys backed down from the Contract With America...they've been caving ever since.
info@gop.com
info@rnc.org
Basically, what Mitchell was saying
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 05:55 ET by lumpywas that Repub governors will fix elections but Dem governors will not. That's fair and balanced for ya.
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Wed, 05/21/2008 - 05:55 ET by dahliatraversThere are ... Republican governors and Secretaries of State, if you will, Katherine Harris-type election officials in those states. ... he has to go up against the establishment, which would be Republican, and he has to figure out a way to get a fair vote if he's the nominee in those red states.
What is she babbling about? Andrea, you're better and smarter than such delusional, paranoid nonsense.
Smarter?
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 06:27 ET by KC BeachShe may be smarter than that but she knows her audience is not.
And exactly what is a
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 06:31 ET by motherbeltAnd exactly what is a "Katherine Harris-type" election official, Andrea? Someone who actually follows the law and certifies the vote on the day it's supposed to be certified?
God forbid that this
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 06:44 ET by KillgraveGod forbid that this election be a close one, and McCain wins over Obambi by a sliver. It would make the 2000 election look like a total cake walk.
The way these liberals obsess over 2000 (they're at the point of accusing the GOP of "cheating" WHEN IT HASN'T HAPPEND YET), and the state of self-feeding black agitation, there could very well be riots across the country. I'm actually starting to freak out a little here.
I agree, Killgrave. I can
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 06:52 ET by motherbeltI agree, Killgrave. I can already see Jackson and Sharpton cranking up their outrage machine. "No justice, no peace!"
Maybe we should just declare Obama the winner now and get on with it.
Dems' Crystal Ball
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 10:03 ET by Great DebaterKillgrave: "they're at the point of accusing the GOP of "cheating" WHEN IT HASN'T HAPPEND YET"
Why are you surprised? They universally termed Gen. Patraeus a "liar" before he even said anything.
You gotta remember, most journalists are liberals, most of their editors are liberals, and most of their friends and family are liberals. Therefore, they think most Americans are liberals. Then, since most Americans still believe what they see in the news, you have a bit of a self-feeding cycle. Well, at least until Dateline NBC or Dan Rather comes around and goes off the deep end.
Pick and choose
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 06:58 ET by FranksamGore only wanted selected counties re-counted too, as I recall.
That's correct, Franksam
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 07:16 ET by GalvanicThey were reliably-Democratic counties. And that, after his campaign tried to stop the non-postmarked absentee ballots from overseas from being counted -- ballots that would be overwhelmingly cast by military members and presumably votes for Bush.
But if Matthews ever read newspapers, he'd know that the major publications did their own chad count and found Bush to be the winner.
Bottom Line: Gore lost.
Mitchell is insufferable
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 07:28 ET by GalvanicAndrea Mitchell has been Hillary's friend and cheerleader for years. She's joining the increasingly vocal chorus of whiners who, knowing HRC's been defeated in the primaries, are now laying the ground work for "I told you so" if Obama is defeated.
It's typical Democratic scare tactics, usually reserved for battling the Republicans. And media sycophants like Mitchell, posing as journalists, know the routine and execute.
Hillary Clinton's narcissistic pursuit of the nomination long after it's evaded her, will severely damage party unity this year.
And that's a good thing, Miri.
"...are now laying the
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:21 ET by Killgrave"...are now laying the ground work for "I told you so" if Obama is defeated."
I'm not so sure about that. I think they all will be jumping on the scold-wagon, accusing America of being too "racist" to elect a black man for president.
I tend to be very pessimistic... but I think after everything's said and done, race relations are going to hell. And most of it will be because of all this brainless agitation on the left.
Imperious Clinton Rex
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 12:40 ET by GalvanicThe Clinton brand has fallen off the Democratic pedestal this year for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the candidate herself. She was THE darling of the MSM when the primary season started, but the brilliant campaign of a charismatic usurper and some blunders by her husband and campaign handlers, turned a $250 million warchest into $30 million of debt to drive her out of the pole position into also-ran.
The Clintons are angry at the Democratic Party, especially Howard Dean, but including all the 'friends' who dumped her for Obama. You could hear it in Bill Clinton's tone of voice tis week when he described how "The Democrats" had disenfranchised the voters in Michigan and Florida. Not the DNC, not Dean, and not even his own wife, who went along with the plan until she won in both. The Democrats! The Clintons will never truly accept that they beat themselves; they must have scapegoats. that's why they've already started in on the MSM despite the fact that it never dragged her dirty laundry out of the closet, or her nefarious associations with crooks and spies. Ultimately, they'll blame the whole Party and pray for it to fail, so that in 2012, she and Slick Willie can return to save the Democratic Party from the elites who've driven it to ruin.
The message that are transmitting to their Party is (a) 'I'm am the Chosen One,' (b) rejecting her candidacy is a betrayal, and (c) those who have scorned us will pay the price next time.
Make no mistake about it: The Clintons are only hard-working Dems as long as the Party faithful bend to their will. This shocking upset has left them bitter, out of funds, and out of good ideas. But they are far from done. They know that if Obama gets the nomination and wins, her shot at the Presidency is done for all time.
Evidently Andrea hasn't seen
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 07:35 ET by msh1973Evidently Andrea hasn't seen the new Zogby Poll...it has her guy Obama with a slight lead over McCain. Not that I hold any stock in these crazy polls, I am just saying...
All of this talk
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 07:59 ET by FastEdis the pre-movie hype for the next O Stone movie "How to Win - the proper recount". The Fantasy Press is living in a universe that resides in dreams and nightmares.
I wonder what the agenda will be if the demolibs win in November - can we see the posters now? "Socialism is GOOD, capitalism is bad", "Is your neighbor a republican? - Let us know", "The same pay for everyone is fair", "HOPE is what everyone desires", "Change IS".
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
How about a return to the Jimmah Carter years ...
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:23 ET by Bodiniwhen interest rates were 21% and gas was rationed. Oh how I yearn for the "good ol' daze" of guvment controls!
Nothing to see here folks, just move along
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:20 ET by expatriotThe Dhims think that we are all stupid. The unfortunate thing about that is there are times where the American public proves them right. How else do you explain some of the nincompoops that get reelected into office?
By starting early and saying it often enough these MSM apologists will convince the nitwits that the republicans are really gearing up their attack machine and are planning on taking a page out of the democrat playbook and rig the elections.
When are the republicans going to wake up and start squashing these lies early? We have only ourselves to blame. Let's find some new blood and get them into office!
MSM attack machine....
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:24 ET by Mr. TerryThese people are nothing more than conspiracy fomenting, race bating, disingenuous, lying, and villainous scum. This report is yellow journalism at its finest.
They postulate illegal activity before any actually takes place on the basis of a past event which did not take place. The Florida Secretary of State, Katherine Harris obeyed the law to the letter. Gore then tried to steal the election through litigation when he couldn't trump up false vote counts.
This report is fear mongering. The Libs know that they cannot win any other way so they have to lie, cheat and steal to get their socialist into office. They are banking on the "tired, huddled masses" of uninformed Americans to vote for them because of feelings and a slick speech maker.
Irresponsible fear mongering
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 09:12 ET by KC MulvilleI agree. And think of what these careless accusations will do. If Obama loses, the media will send the message that white people stole it from a black man. They'll claim that blacks really won, but Republicans cheated. It will set back race relations, but the media have other priorities.
That raises a larger issue. In our political system, defeat is designed to be a corrective, not a disaster. In capitalism, when consumers don't buy your product, that's supposed to spur you to improve. In the same way, politically, defeat is supposed to spur the losers to get their act together and offer something better.
My point is that by peddling myths like these, the liberal media have prevented the Democrats from learning anything. The media keep coming up with these myths of how liberalism should have succeeded, but that the Karl Roves and Willie Hortons of the evil Republicans tricked America. When Andrea Mitchell peddles these evil Republican myths, it's just a way to prevent Democrats from turning away from liberalism.
It's fascinating to me how
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 08:59 ET by marpelIt's fascinating to me how these elites insult the intelligence of Americans every day on every show. They sniff their nose at hard working people and patronize the public every chance they get. They pander to their friends who they see at their cocktail parties and dinner gatherings and those are the people they want to please. I think they are the lowest form of existance, just about side by side with pond scum...
Their motive is to push their agenda of that "One World Order", which they want so desperately to achieve.
I say, "Screw 'em".
The bottom line, in 2000,
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 09:09 ET by bassndudeThe bottom line, in 2000, and now in the media and democratic circles, is we see a marked demonstration of exactly why democrats are not the ones to lead the country. It is a complete ignorance of the Constitution and what is written in those hollowed pages. Seems to me that most dems quit reading it after the first amendment. They havent got a clue to what the rest of it sayes, nor do they understand what it means.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
It is this type of person
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 09:47 ET by buddycIt is this type of person that causes the hate in this country. This is a blatent attempt to inflame and create hate between the races. What makes it pathetic this time around is Obama is going to get 97% of a high turnout black vote and would get the same number of black votes if the KKK lynched his wife.
She has been around the block in more ways than one and knows that voter irregularities are not uncommon and clearly not limited to one race or another and not limited to one party.
2 things I would like to
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 09:54 ET by seaniep2 things
I would like to say it was not Floridians who screwed that all up, it was retired new yorkers
also, sometimes I see Katherine Harris in resturants with Brain Johnson, the lead singer of AC/DC . . . how freakin cool is that?
What is an intended vote anyway?
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 10:44 ET by JTPIs it I intended to vote for Gore but then I remembered I had a brain and voted for Bush? It never ends........
Every vote for a candidate
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 12:14 ET by mattmEvery vote for a candidate other than the one the media want is an intended vote for the one they want. So all the Hillary votes are really Obama-intended votes.
It's quite simple once you get the hang of it.
IF McCain wins by anything
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 15:25 ET by motherbeltIF McCain wins by anything less than a landslide, the results will be considered illegitimate.
2000 will look like a walk in the park in comparison.
Let us not forget the nefarious Republicans...
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 12:42 ET by Prester John....and the way they slashed the tires of Dem voter vans in Milwaukee in 2004....
....or the fact that in Philadelphia there were hundreds of votes already registered on the machines when the polls opened....
.....or the fact that in some Philadephia precincts there were more votes than people who live there.....
Oh wait, those were Dems who slashed GOP tires and Philadelphia is owned by the Dem machine?
Never mind.
Establish this
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 13:01 ET by acumen[Obama] has to go up against the establishment....
Ha, now that's funeeeee.
Like the establishment demedia news outlets that are in the pocket for Obama? Or the establishment demedia talk shows led by Oprah that are in the pocket of Obama? Or other world media establishments such as Reuters, AFP and AP that are in the pocket of Obama? Or would that be the dem controlled congress and senate establishments that are in the pocket for Obama? Or possibly the ivory towers of higher education establishment that are in the pocket for Obama? Or the richest of the rich establishment in every big city of America and the rest of the world that are in the pocket of Obama? Or CAIR, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and other terrorist organizational establishments that are in the pocket for Obama. Or maybe the greeny scam establishment, the commie establishment, the anti-american establishemt, the anti-war/anti-troop establishment, the socialist establishment, the Venezuelan government establishment, the Cuban government establishment, the homosexual establishment, the anti-life establishment, the union establishment, the legal establishment, the music establishment, the Hollywood establishment, hell even the NOW establishment that bailed on Hillary - all in the pocket of Obama?
Face it demedia - you, fellow moonbat travelers and Obama have become the establishment you so revile.
Will someone please shut
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 13:04 ET by malcumWill someone please shut that skank up?
I hate to be crass, but I
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 13:12 ET by marpelI hate to be crass, but I bet all that "dirty talk" about the GOP denying Prince Barack the votes must have given that poser, Keith O, an erection. Ok, I just made myself sick.
Andrea!
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 13:18 ET by okiehawk44I lived here in Florida at the time (2000) and I remember that the "butterfly ballots" were designed by a DEMOCRATIC county election supervisor in Palm Beach County and that each of the counties contested by Al Gore were controlled by DEMOCRATIC election officials and the votes still could not be found to put Al Gore over the top. Even after 7 recounts after the elections counted every "hanging chad" for him because "the person voting just had to be voting for him". ENOUGH! Al Gore did not win the vote in Florida PERIOD! It was Gore who then turned to the courts when the votes couldn't be found not Bush.
The fact that Andrea Mitchell and others just don't know the history or are bending the facts to fit their political objectives is pitiful.
Republicans are "the
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 13:30 ET by SickofLibsRepublicans are "the establishment"? What does that make Dems then, the underground?
Who the hell is in charge of Congress, or am I missing something?
»→ That's easy too, Sickoflibs
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 13:35 ET by Cool ArrowThe opposite of "pro" is "con"
Think "progress"
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Some nerve
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 13:35 ET by nkviking75Harris tried to enforce the duly enacted election laws of the state of Florida. Al Gore went to Democrat appointed judges to look for ways to bend the law. And Harris is the villain?
Given the hash the Dems made of their nominating process this time out, any complaints about the fairness of elections should be met with loud, raucous, unending laughter.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Ain't this special?
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 14:49 ET by Clear thinkerThis is actually a good move on the Dems part. When November rolls around, and over 20% of Dems end up voting for McCain, those people and the DNC have an out. They can tell people "it was those dirty scummy Republicans that stole our votes".
Nothing like setting the stage so Dems come out looking like angels. Can someone explain to me why anyone would want to be a Democrat?
"Abstain from McCain"
Andrea Mitchell - ex-reporter, one can hope. Oregon 2000?
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 14:52 ET by Gary HallMitchell's gone shrill.
Just for the record, there was one other very active activist player in the Florida election drama of 2000, Florida Attorney General Bob Butterworth, who just happened to chair Gore's campaign in Florida. I talked to Butterworth late one evening about the rampant stories floating around about state police keeping voters from the polls, blocked off streets, etc. The MSM never had any interest in getting the straight story there out to the public - there was no story, actually.
What in the world does Andrea Mitchell think the Democrat
Governors and Sec. of States do come election time? Stay home and play bridge?
As an example, other than Florida, Oregon and New Mexico, were in play in the 2000 election, and the talk of recounts there, was also in the air.
Now, Oregon, had a Democrat Sec, of State. His name was (and sitll is) Bill Bradbury. Late in the night on election night, 2000, Bill Bradbury went on national TV, and in an effort to comfort the scared to death of a Bush victory media, stated that he had just got off the phone with Al Gore, and announced that he'd promised Gore that he was going to get the votes Gore needed and would deliver the state for Gore.
Naturally, that would simply please the Andrea Mitchell's of the world.
It was two years and many,
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 15:39 ET by MobydubidoIt was two years and many, many Florida recounts later, when I first heard a MSM news reader mention that GWB had been elected president. These recounts were conducted from selected counties, selected wards, the entire state of Florida, every conceivable approach, and nothing changed: Al Gore held America hostage for three weeks.
This is insulting
Wed, 05/21/2008 - 16:34 ET by Calypso Jonesto all conservatives in this country. But I detect a sense of the brazen arising from fear, is it? They pulled this in 92 for Clinton. They wasted their chance. They hope to do it again for Obama for God knows what reason. WHat is it that the media DOES want because it doesn't look like it bodes well for the people or the nation.
This is insulting
Thu, 05/22/2008 - 09:25 ET by Mobydubidowould you mind translating that into my native Cantonese?
And These People Attack Fox News
Fri, 07/11/2008 - 22:50 ET by rammingspeedChris Matthews and his ilk should declare themselves as emissaries for Baracak Obama, and the Democrat party. They should also declare themselves as against the Republican party. By not doing so, they are liars.
Rush Limbaugh declares his conservatism, without hesitation, although he also reports news.
The other so-called "right wing" talk radio hosts (Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Michael Medved) also do so, and they also report news items.
Yet the MSNBCers and others whom we all know in the liberal dominated news media act like they're impartial. They're offended when accused of being partial to liberalism.
This is insanity.