Alter Suggests Only 'Stupid' Voters Want Gas Tax Cut


On Friday's Countdown show, MSNBC analyst Jonathan Alter, also of Newsweek, suggested that voters who support Hillary Clinton's call for a temporary suspension of the federal gasoline tax are "stupid" as he contended that the Clinton campaign team are "assuming that people are too stupid to realize that this is a bad idea that won't save them any money at the pump." Alter later argued that the tax cut strategy may end up succeeding politically for Clinton because "there are a lot of what are called 'low information' voters" who are "not reading the unanimous, unanimous newspaper editorials against this. They're not talking to the environmentalists, the economists, everybody who unanimously believes this is a bad idea. They're, you know, understandably struggling, and at the pump, they're paying a lot for gas, and they want some relief." (Transcript follows)

Host Keith Olbermann introduced the segment with a clip of Clinton arguing that members of Congress should declare themselves as either "with us or against us when it comes to taking on the oil companies." The MSNBC host seemed rankled at her use of the "with us or against us" phrase as he relayed Barack Obama's charge that her plan was ripped off from Republicans. Olbermann: "Senator Obama not alone in believing that that phrase, "with us or against us," had been borrowed from President Bush, as he claimed today. The Illinois Democrat again pointing out that Senator Clinton's gas tax plan already seems to have some friends on Capitol Hill." Obama referred to John McCain's support for the gas tax cut in a soundbite.

Notably, Olbermann did not take note of the fact that Senator Clinton had already used the term "with us or against us" referring to the war on terrorism after the 9/11 attacks, even before President Bush used the term as he sought the united the world against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.

After introducing Alter, Olbermann suggested Clinton was pandering as he asked if the Clinton team were "hoping that underestimating the intelligence of the electorate will work every time?"

Alter made his suggestion that voters would have to be "stupid" to support a gas tax cut: "They're essentially assuming that people are too stupid to realize that this is a bad idea that won't save them any money at the pump, that actually hurts us in fighting terrorism because we need to stop relying on oil from the Middle East. You know, it was oil money that funded those madrasas, that indoctrination of jihadists."

He even predicted dire consequences both to the economy and for the safety of motorists if the tax cut goes through: "By the estimates of the Department of Transportation, this will cost 300,000 jobs, just this summer in the construction trade, not to mention making it harder for you to get to work, more likely to get into a car accident because it will bring repairs of our highways to a screeching halt."

Alter soon found a part of Clinton's plan he liked as he voiced support of her proposal for a windfall profits tax on oil companies, but took her to task for supposedly claiming that the revenues would be used to replace gas tax revenues even after having already promised the same revenues would be used for alternative energy research. Alter: "Just one other thing that is particularly strange about this. She talks about a windfall profits tax on the oil companies, which is a good idea -- Obama and others support this as well. The problem is: that won't pay for this gas tax holiday because she's already said that the money from a windfall profits tax will be used to develop renewable energy. So she's spending that $9 billion twice."

Alter suggested that "elites" would see through Clinton's tax cut plan as he argued that while Clinton is "hoping that only elites will notice any of this and that everybody else just won't care," her problem was that "there are a lot of elites who are superdelegates, and they're not buying this."

In Olbermann's final question to Alter, the Countdown host queried whether Clinton's tax cut strategy might work as he argued that "a man dying of thirst rarely questions whether the water is clean or where it has come from," and asked, "Does she not have a winner here with this gas tax idea?"

Alter then, after having earlier suggested that one has to be "stupid" to support the gas tax cut plan, argued that there may be enough voters willing to support the plan, as he labeled such voters as "low information voters." Alter: "She might because there are a lot of what are called "low information" voters. You know, they're really not reading the unanimous, unanimous newspaper editorials against this. They're not talking to the environmentalists, the economists, everybody who unanimously believes this is a bad idea. They're, you know, understandably struggling, and at the pump, they're paying a lot for gas, and they want some relief."

After suggesting a tax credit for lower income people instead of a gas tax cut, Alter again slammed Clinton's proposal: "This is the single worst kind of relief because it's terrible for global warming, terrible for foreign policy, and terrible for jobs. And so it's just unfortunate that she had to embrace what people agree is the worst single policy idea of the entire campaign."

Below is a complete transcript of the segment from the Friday May 2 Countdown on MSNBC with critical portions in bold:

KEITH OLBERMANN: Senator Clinton keeping her symbolic gas tax holiday plan alive for yet another day, announcing her intention to introduce gas tax holiday legislation. And last night in Indiana, the Senator explaining she wants to find out if Democratic members of Congress are "with us or against us" in battling big oil.

HILLARY CLINTON: I believe it would be important to get every member of Congress on record. Do they stand with the hard-pressed Americans who are trying to pay their gas bills at the gas station? Or do they once again stand with the oil companies? That's a vote I'm going to try to get because I want to know where people stand, and I want them to tell us, are they with us or against us when it comes to taking on the oil companies?

OLBERMANN: Senator Obama not alone in believing that that phrase, "with us or against us," had been borrowed from President Bush, as he claimed today. The Illinois Democrat again pointing out that Senator Clinton's gas tax plan already seems to have some friends on Capitol Hill.

BARACK OBAMA: This was originally John McCain's idea. So John McCain proposed it, and Senator Clinton, right away, she said, "Me, too. I'll do it, too." Because I guess the polls said that it might be popular. The truth is, we've been doing this kind of stuff for years now. Every so often when gas prices go up, right before the summer, somebody in Washington proposes a gas tax holiday because it's an easy thing to do.

OLBERMANN: Let's turn to our own Jonathan Alter, senior editor at Newsweek magazine, who's joining us tonight from Raleigh, North Carolina, in advance of the primary. Jon, good evening.

JONATHAN ALTER: Hi, Keith.

OLBERMANN: Senator Clinton got the endorsement of the Indianapolis Star newspaper this morning, and even in that endorsement, the gas tax holiday plan was called political pandering. When asked to name an expert who supported this plan, the Clinton campaign could not. The answer was, "Well, this polls well with voters." So are they not only pandering but admitting to pandering and hoping that underestimating the intelligence of the electorate will work every time?

ALTER: That's their bet, Keith. You know, they did that when they tried to link Obama to Ronald Reagan early in the campaign. They're essentially assuming that people are too stupid to realize that this is a bad idea that won't save them any money at the pump, that actually hurts us in fighting terrorism because we need to stop relying on oil from the Middle East. You know, it was oil money that funded those madrasas, that indoctrination of jihadists.

So it's bad on so many levels. Hillary Clinton starts her rallies by saying, "We need jobs, jobs, jobs." Well, by the estimates of the Department of Transportation, this will cost 300,000 jobs, just this summer in the construction trade, not to mention making it harder for you to get to work, more likely to get into a car accident because it will bring repairs of our highways to a screeching halt.

And then, just one other thing that is particularly strange about this. She talks about a windfall profits tax on the oil companies, which is a good idea -- Obama and others support this as well. The problem is: that won't pay for this gas tax holiday because she's already said that the money from a windfall profits tax will be used to develop renewable energy. So she's spending that $9 billion twice. And what she's hoping is that, you know, only elites will notice any of this and that everybody else just won't care. Her problem on this, Keith, is that there are a lot of elites who are superdelegates, and they're not buying this or at least some of the ones I've talked to here tonight in North Carolina were uncommitted.

OLBERMANN: Well, to that point, the political strategy of this and whether or not it's the reverse of pandering, the same members of Congress that she's now calling out with this, you know, post-9/11 garbage about "you're either with us or against us," those are the same people that would constitute many of the undecided superdelegates.

ALTER: Right.

OLBERMANN: I mean, the Congressman, Mark Udall, who is undecided and a superdelegate from Colorado, who's now running for the Senate out there, fired back today about "you're either with us or against us." How does this add up? Is this another one of these "cut off your nose to spite your face" or not "see the nose for the face"? Or it has something to do with noses and faces, doesn't it?

ALTER: I think it's a Hail Mary pass, and what they're figuring is, if they can run up a big victory in Indiana with this pander because a lot of people drive, you know, long distances in Indiana, and, if they can come closer than expected in North Carolina where, as I learned tonight, none of the politicians think she can actually win North Carolina, but she could come closer than expected. But then the superdelegates, you know, will figure, hey, maybe the best panderer is our best candidate in the fall. And that, you know, Obama is too, you know, hung up on the merits of these issues, the substance of these issues instead of the politics of the issues that we need to win in the old fashioned way and that that might actually, you know, be persuasive with those superdelegates even if they don't agree with her on the merits of the gas tax. I think that's what they're betting, and it's a big bet and they put a lot of chips on it.

OLBERMANN: Well, how good a bet is it? Because, having said all this, having pointed out all the flaws, the techniques borrowed from Bush, the pandering, on the premise that a man dying of thirst rarely questions whether the water is clean or where it has come from, does she not have a winner here with this gas tax idea?

ALTER: She might because there are a lot of what are called "low information" voters. You know, they're really not reading the unanimous, unanimous newspaper editorials against this. They're not talking to the environmentalists, the economists, everybody who unanimously believes this is a bad idea. They're, you know, understandably struggling, and at the pump, they're paying a lot for gas, and they want some relief.

The trouble is, the thing that's so odious about this idea is that there are other kinds of relief. You could get a tax credit for people at the low end of the income scale. You could give them other forms of relief. This is the single worst kind of relief because it's terrible for global warming, terrible for foreign policy, and terrible for jobs. And so it's just unfortunate that she had to embrace what people agree is the worst single policy idea of the entire campaign.

OLBERMANN: Jonathan Alter of Newsweek and MSNBC, in North Carolina tonight. Thank you, Jon. Have a good weekend.

ALTER: Thanks, Keith.

—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Clinging

I don't care what you say -- I'm clinging to the idea of lower gas taxes.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Proof Liberals want Higher Taxes

They not only want gas prices high, they want higher gas taxes. This liberal insanity of more government spending will cure all problems, their irrational global warming hysteria and the myth of buying gas supports terrorism is all propaganda. They hate suburbia, they hate SUVs, they hate everything the middle class has worked for to be independent. Getting rid of a tax such as this which they want higher to try and reduce how much you drive is making them even more crazy then they normally are.

- The average amount of tax on gasoline in the United States is 47.0 cents per gallon (API)

The more people come to learn how much they are paying for gas taxes the more pressure the fed and state governments will have put on them to have them reduced or removed. Since removing these taxes will have an immediate effect on gas prices. 

I take it they do not support Canada?

- The largest supplier of oil to the United States is Canada (EIA)
- The second largest supplier of oil to the United States is Mexico (EIA)
- 60% of United States oil imports come from non-OPEC countries (EIA)

Myths About Breaking Our Foreign Oil Habit (The Washington Post)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Pop Tech Hawaii oil is 100% supplied by the OOPECKERS.

Indonesia : The largest muslem country. Rolling the cosmic dice it's an opec exporter, to lots of places.. Hawaii is the grateful reciepent of sweet crude from there. Good thing for us Hawaiians Indonesia thinks we are a separate nation

The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO

 

"They're not talking to the

"They're not talking to the environmentalists, the economists, everybody who unanimously believes this is a bad idea."

What "economists"?  I don't even think Paul Krugman is that stupid.  And it better be a cold day in hell before anyone takes economic direction from a self-described "environmentalist".  This clown Alter wouldn't be able to pass an Economics 101 course, so it's absolutely laughable that he'd have any platform (such as it is) to spew his intolerable ignorance.  By the way, perhaps this imbecile should enroll himself and Al Gore in a vocabulary course...they seem to lack command of the term "unanimously".     

Liberal illogic

Once again liberals taking viewpoints that are diametrically opposed to one another.

1 - Liberals always talking about how bad off Americans are and need $$ in their pockets.  

2 - However, anytime a conservative tries to do that with a tax cut or a rebate it gets scoffed at for being too little and woldn't it be better to put it into roads, bridges, etc.

So, a liberal gets a knock on the door by someone collecting for a charity.  They are not that interested in the charity as they are about "giving" so when the person says even $1 would help, they say, no i can't give you anything cause a dollar really wouldn't do you any good, I already pay taxes.

Don't forget the biggggg

Don't forget the biggggg liberal hypocracy -- liberals think we aren't taxed enough; always complaining they got an undeserved tax cut; yet they won't simply write a check to the U.S. Treasury and pay extra taxes themselves. "Us" means "Them" in lib-speak.

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Of course Alter and

Of course Alter and Uberdork believe voters are stupid. But as sure as the day is long, Hitlery Rotten Clintoon and Obama-lama-ding-dong are going to do and say anything to garner those stupid voters' votes.

Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell

Oh come on....it's all but

Oh come on....it's all but obvious they are pandering for Obamakins here...

Drill Often!...Drill Everywhere!

Problem solved...unfortunately we have no candidate who wants oil independence here in the USA.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

There is plenty of oil left

I agree there are no candidates left who understand the reality of this. There is plenty of oil left we just need the initiative to go after it:

Myth: The World Is Running Out of Oil (Video) (5min)

- 2 Trillion barrels of oil are estimated in the United States oil-shale reserves (USGS)
- 400 Billion barrels of oil are estimated under the Arctic Ocean (Source)
- 10.6 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the National Petroleum Reserve (NPRA) in Alaska (USGS)
- 10.4 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in Alaska (USGS)
- 4.3 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the Bakken shale formation in North Dakota and Montana (USGS)
- 4.0 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the Central North Slope in Alaska (USGS)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

PT... Bingo! "Never

PT...

Bingo!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Dudes head is shaped like a

Dudes head is shaped like a bullet.

Yea..

Yea, from here it looks like a 22 cal. hollow point.

Although the key word is

Although the key word is "hollow"....

 

 

If it ain't a baby, you ain't pregnant....

 

 

Yep..

Yep

Alter-ation

He hates the tax holiday idea but thinks a windfall profits tax on oil companies is just fine. That is a good idea to him.

We had it years ago, it was a bad idea then and it's a bad idea now.

 

Drill, coal to oil/diesel and shale to oil. We got it. Lets use it.

 

MSNBC

He works for MSNBC and calls someone else stupid. Well I guess they're three viewers saw it.

 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Wow, Bush came up with "for us or against us..."

I meant to comment on this earlier but it hit me again.

It's hillarious, "either your for us or against us..." If you say that your are imitating Bush. 

Jesus actually said it too.  I think the term has been around for a few years before Bush.

It also cracks me up when libs think Bush invented Muslim Terrorists, as if they never existed before Bush and wouldn't exist without him.

Not stupid

but maybe buying into to the fear that Hclinton/McCain are pedaling without realizing that it would cost 300,000 jobs and a deficit in the road repair badly needed across the nation. Additionally, Clinton can not pledge the windfall tax profits to this --SHE ALREADY PLEDGED THEM TO THE GREEN MOVEMENT. She can not pledge them TWICE....Then again she is not very good at math..Look at her campaign dollars over spent and she is stiffing the little vendors still.

Say again?

"it would cost 300,000 jobs and a deficit in the road repair badly needed across the nation."

The funds wouldn't be in jeopardy as the money would still be spent. It would raise the budget deficit for a while, but that's about all.

Please don’t fall victim to scare tactics like claims that "a loss of jobs" and "deteriorating roads and bridges" would occur if the gas tax were temporarily suspended for a few months. None of that would happen.

You see, the funds for road repair all comes from State budgets as it is the individual States that authorize and fund infrastructure maintenance in their respective terrorists and the Sates could just raise their taxes to offset any reduction of Federal dollars if needed. Not that a reduction in available federal dollars would occur, mined you, as this IS a election season and no elected official would dare to even propose a reduction of highway funds, let alone authorize it with a reduced spending bill.

Not to mention that in many

Not to mention that in many states, mine included, the tax on gasoline that's allegedly supposed to fund the highway/transportation budget is always stolen from that budget and redistributed to the General Fund.  That way the socialists in the legislature can continue to pay for their little discretionary pet projects at the expense of the roads.  It's not that we are under-taxed, it's that they over-spend.

Both of these "reporters" are authorities...

on the subject of stupidity.

Their vast experience has been gained through thousands of conversations where they have come up with "the short end of the stick". They have spent thousands of hours of television time trying to "educate the viewers" that the world is flat. The sun revolves around the earth and only they know the truth.

Both hold Master of Stupidity degrees from Stupid U.

Folks complain about oil

Folks complain about oil company profits, but at 8 cents profit on the dollar, they make about 30 cents profit per gallon. Assuming my math is right, that means they could eliminate all their profit, and gas would still average $3.20 a gallon.

Folks also don't realize that these companies make most of their money overseas, not by "gouging" Americans. Domestic oil companies control about 6 percent of the world oil supply. ExxonMobil controls 3 percent of that. Why does ExxonMobil make so much money? Because they sell a crap load of product(more than any other domestic company), here and abroad.

They also forget that ExxonMobil was actually 2 different companies not too long ago: Exxon and Mobil. If EM was still 2 seperate companies today, their profit would likely still be about the same, only it would be divided between 2 companies. Who would the scapegoat be for the dems then I wonder?

Only stupid voters watch

Only stupid voters watch Kooter McOlbz.

 

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Grizzly Bear '08

I Bet You

If Obama was in favor of halting the gas tax, Keith Olbermann and his sock puppet guests would be praising the gas tax cut. Keith would probably name you "Worst Person in the World" for being against it.

To the Left, the real

To the Left, the real danger in temporarily suspending the gas tax is when the "holiday" is over.

I'm betting most people have no idea how much they pay in taxes for a gallon of gas.  Drop the price 40 or 50 cents and everyone WILL know.  Then come Labor Day, try jacking the price back up by that same amount.  The outcry will be huge. 

With any luck, the realization of how big a chunk the government takes at the pump will focus attention on goverment spending and waste (not to be redundant) and away from oil company "gouging."

excellent point.... wouldn't

excellent point.... wouldn't want to be a member of Congress (up for re-election) when the holiday is over

Isn't it amazing?

Isn't it amazing that the same MSM who reports every 5 or 10 cent increase in gas prices as a MAJOR hardship for Americas which adversely affects the economy now say that a 18 cent or more (federal tax) decrease isn't really a big deal and that it won't really help the economy? I guess the next time the prices increase 5 or 6 cents at a time like in the past; the MSM will just tell everyone that it's not a big deal, right?

In a perfect world,

In a perfect world, Americans would watch political opinion programs to be informed by the very best arguments for various points-of-view.  Instead, from a long-standing member of the MSM (Alter), we hear about the “stupids” and the “elites”.

OBAMA-SPEAK: GAS TAX RELIEF RESPONSE

OBAMA-SPEAK: GAS TAX RELIEF RESPONSE

Its
6:10am CST on Fox May 5th…here is BHO responding to his gas price
stance (no suspension of the gas tax this summer). He says “30 cents a
day” referring to the suspension of the federal gas tax. Let’s examine
that…the federal tax is 30+ cents a gallon, not a day. People generally
use more than a gallon a day, a lot more. Sooo, whats the diff?
Consider millions of truckers, millions of long commuters and the
taxi-bus drivers. Thirty cents a day? No way. It sounds like its
sensible but its far from reality. Liberals are always far from
reality. Then BHO says he “has a plan” (Kerry re-born) which you (of
course) can’t see until 2009. It will “save an individual up to $1,000
a year”. Same ole unchallenged baloney from the secular socialist
party. Drilling, nuclear plants and refineries were not mentioned. When will voters ever learn?

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)

Lowering Gas prices?

If you want to see the price of gas really come down it would be better to exempt the oil companies from Federal Income Tax on the condition that the invest that money into building new refineries and domestic drilling.  The price of gas would plummet by over a dollar a gallon almost overnight. 

"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."

Alexander Hamilton