During a Monday November 19 appearance at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, CNN founder Ted Turner charged that the Bush administration has "turned a lot of our friends into enemies," as he contended that when President Bush came into office, "we were friends with just about everybody in the world." Turner remarked, as documented by Raleigh's newspaper the "News and Observer": "Making friends where there used to be enemies is a very important thing to do. ... That's why I'm so sorry about this administration. Because we were friends with just about everybody in this world -- the United States was -- when this administration came to power. Now, we've turned a lot of our friends into enemies. ... I think the country with the most friends is the one that wins in the end." (More quotes follow)
The CNN founder also repeated his contention that men have "screwed up" the world as they have been the dominant leaders for so long, and theorized that, with women in charge, "we would get big reductions in military budgets and big increases in education and health care." Turner: "I'm not saying men shouldn't be able to do everything else -- be able to run education, business -- just part from public office for 100 years. ... Let's let the women run the countries, run the world for a while. I know what would happen. We would get big reductions in military budgets and big increases in education and health care."
Turner also argued that his $1 billion donation to the United Nations was "an investment in the future of humanity," and charged that CNN is now "trivializing the news," and that he "doesn't like it as much as when [he] was running it." Turner: "I don't like it as much as when I was running it. ... I think they're trivializing the news. ... They still do some excellent programming, but I'm disappointed overall, particularly in the programs like 'Headline News' and prime time."
The complete text of the "News and Observer" article from November 20 containing some of Turner's quotes can be found here.
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I'm quite sure his problem
November 21, 2007 - 16:43 ET by DaBirdI'm quite sure his problem with Headline News is the hiring of Glenn Beck. Who just so happens to have one of the higher rated shows on HLN. But then again, ratings don't matter as much as ideology to Ted Turner and the gang at CNN.
Actually, DaBird, CNN had a
November 21, 2007 - 16:50 ET by JerActually, DaBird, CNN had a larger number of conservative pundits and commentators when Turner was in control than it does now.
Jer
And those would be....who?
November 21, 2007 - 18:39 ET by motherbeltAnd those would be....who? I'm serious; I don't watch CNN. Who is on now that is conservative and who was there when Turner was in charge?
motherbelt
November 21, 2007 - 20:00 ET by JerI actually watch Fox more than CNN these days...but when I watched CNN in earlier years, the conservative commentator/contributors whom I recall were Pat Buchanan, Robert Novak, Mona Charen, Pat O'Bierne, John Sununu, Tucker Carlson....Barbara Olsen and Cal Thomas were frequent guest pundits [Peggy Noonan too] but I'm not sure they were on the payroll.
More recently, besides Novak [who left a few months ago] there have been Glen Beck, Jonah Goldberg, Delroy Murdock, Bill Bennett [I think] and of course Lou Dobbs is a Republican who has very conservative views on immigration
That's not an "official" list...just my recollection.
Jer
Jer
November 22, 2007 - 00:06 ET by MrShyBut come on, be honest with yourself. When you think CNN, who are the first names that come to mind? Who are the real players, with the primetime slots? I know you know 2, and there are really 3:
Wolf Blitzer, the Dem soft-ball thrower -- and his "Situation Room" makes me claustrophobic with BDS and BNES (Bad News Everywhere Syndrome).
Mr. AC360, the ambulance and global-warming chaser, who's a complete brown-nosing-for-CNN non-journalist.
Christiane Amonpour, she of the wonderfully balanced 3-parter (was it 3?) "God's Warriors", which they might have well just named "All God's (With the Exception of Allah's) Warriors".
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
MrShy...I was being
November 22, 2007 - 00:37 ET by JerMrShy...I was being absolutely honest when I said I watch Fox much more than CNN these days. I actually believe CNN was more ideologically balanced back in the days when it was (unfairly IMO) derided as the Clinton News Network [as it is again with Hillary's candidacy]. I guess the perception--and reality-is that most of the conservative-independent and Republilican portion of its former viewing audience has shifted to Fox, and so the programming has been adapted accordingly.
I've never cared for Blitzer. Regarding Amanpour's God's Warriors special, I only saw one segment, but did not find it as objectionable as did most here.
Fox News does a lot of things well, and it's success has been very impressive. But, "fair and balanced" it ain't.
Jer
Jer...
November 22, 2007 - 00:45 ET by MrShyWell, you certainly go further back than I do with CNN.
Re: Fox News, if you can give me examples of how it leans more in one direction (I take it, right) I'm all ears, er, eyes.
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
Mr Shy...The only show on
November 22, 2007 - 01:27 ET by JerMr Shy...The only show on Fox News channel that even approaches "fair and balanced" status is Fox News Watch. One liberal, one moderate-liberal, two conservatives, and an excellent moderator. Still most topics are addressed from a conservative perspective [How much did Hillary damage her chances by ____ (fill in the blank).]
The only "liberals who have his or her own show are Greta van Susteren and Geraldo but they very rarely have politally oriented subject matter.
On the other hand...
John Gibson is a relentless liberal basher.
O'Reilly is a relentless liberal basher. I watch his show regularly. The notion that he is even-handed is absolute nonsense. Senator John Kyl, who is about as conservative as they come, has stated he almost never disagrees with O'Reilly.
Hannity & Colmes: Sure Colmes is a liberal, but every topic may as well have been supplied by the RNC. Invariably, it will be introduced as "the latest Democratic outrage, scandal, attack on Bush, attack on our troops, etc. Then a "liberal" spokesperson will be asked a series of "how long have you been beating your wife" type questions.
Dick Morris, the resident political analyst, has an intense, near-pathological hatred of the Clintons.
Brit Hume the senior correspondent who chairs the Hume Report is a solid conservative.
Neil Cavuto, who hosts the economy-oriented Cavuto Report is a solid conservative.
The Beltway Boys has Mort Kondracke, a moderate conservative, and Fred Barnes, a solid conservative.
Its senior political reporter, Carl Cameron, is a conservative.
The Fox and Friends morning show: All three are conservatives and Republican cheerleaders.
Fox's ideology is a direct reflection of its president, Roger Ailes, who is a long-time conservative activist, has served in several Republican administrations, and produced Rush Limbaugh's TV show.
Jer
Jer
November 22, 2007 - 01:53 ET by MrShyI should have defined my question, sorry. I'm aware that it's a conservative-run outlet, of course, and the reason it's refreshing to have it is because it's the ONLY one. And if anything, they don't hide this fact the way the others do -- claiming to be unbiased and lined with talking heads equally on both sides.
What I wanted to know was how it skews/leans right in the real news/journalism programs only. So, naturally, many do not apply like BOR and Hannity/Colmes, and their many guests like Dick Morris, etc..
Beltway Boys and Neil Cavuto are news-specific, i.e., Capital Hill and economy, so semi-passes on them.
So that leaves the real, basic reporters/news shows. I'm sure they're predominantly Republicans, but I did want news-reporting examples from you, like the one you provided re: the framing of the Hillary question. To me, though, I see that sort of left-leaning framing done constantly on the many basic-news shows, i.e. the opening/leads of news programs from ABC to CBS, Situation Room, etc.. Any Iraq/Bush news, Repub candidate, etc., is framed in a subtly gloomy light, vs. something covering Healthcare, a Democrat, etc..
Anyway, yes, it leans right, but thankfully we have something to counterbalance CNN and MSNBC, and to a lesser degree the other alphabet news programs, which believe me, are littered with liberals as they're all produced here in NYC.
The 3 primary CNN top-guns, the "straight-news" journalists/reporters I named earlier, trumpet themselves as purely neutral reporters, and that's complete hogwash. Their pushing of their idealogy is so much more sneaky and manipulative, I find.
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
With all due respect MrShy,
November 22, 2007 - 02:17 ET by JerWith all due respect MrShy, Fox Network's slogan is "fair and balanced". Talk about hiding your bias behind feigned neutrality. And Bill O'Reilly claiming to be independent and non-ideological is simply a shameless insult to a person's intelligence.
My Hillary question was actually a hypothetical, but it's based on reality. The recurring news item today was that some school in Oregon or Washington state was instructing the students to hate Thanksgiving. [And I agreed that the school officials were ridiculous.] But it was part of Fox's contiuning theme that liberalism is undermining the traditional fabric of America. Another example was the bogus story about Obama being educated in an extremist Islamic madrassa school. Fox lead off every single news show for a couple of days breathlessly hyping what turned out to be a nonstory.
The whole raison d'etre for Fox News was the argument that conservatives were never given a voice on the other networks. That charge is pure hogwash, but I'll have to give you some examples later. I have to get some sleep.
I hope you have a happy and blessed Thanksgiving.
Jer
In other words, Jer... they
November 22, 2007 - 00:14 ET by MrShyIn other words, Jer... they have Phil Jackson's triangle offense running smoothly:
Wolf passive-aggressively puts down Bush and is quick to emphasize bad news from Iraq, so he's got the Bush/Iraq-Bad Bad part covered.
Cooper goes to the glaciers and to the hurricanes, and compssionately skews the climate crisis angle of it all -- he's got Global Warming covered.
Christiane downplays the bad role radical Muslims play and the internal problems of the middle east, consequently up-playing our cause of all the plight and helping to further fuel the "big-bad America" image the world has of us.
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
I guess that just goes to
November 21, 2007 - 23:44 ET by DaBirdI guess that just goes to show how far left both Turner and CNN have turned.
DaBird....Turner
November 21, 2007 - 23:53 ET by JerTurner has nothing to do with it. Frankly, it has more to do with the regrettable cancellations of both Capitol Gang and Crossfire which were both reasonably balanced between liberals and conservatives.
Jer
Ted Turner : 3rd String Antichrist (1 John 2:18)
November 21, 2007 - 17:04 ET by gideonmjames"We were friends with just about everybody in the world."
Well, there's why even Jane Fonda left this atheist nut-job who calls his Christian employees "Jesus freaks" ... he wants to Neville Chamberlain every liberal, Muslim, and communist government on the planet.
1 John 2:15-18
(15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
(16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
(17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.
(18) Little children, it is the last time [eschatos hora - the lowest, or trying, hour ... the hour of adversity] : and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there MANY antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time [eschatos hora - the lowest, or trying, hour ... the hour of adversity].
When you stand on the truth you are decidely NOT going to be friends with everyone. In fact, that's the best way to see who your true friends are.
2 Timothy 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall endure persecution.
Turner
November 21, 2007 - 17:16 ET by iveseenitallTurner is another Howard Hughes or Al Capone-- nuts at the end of his life. Maybe he "caught" something from the Commie-loving tramp that he married.
NEVERNEVER trust a "liberal"
How to Pick Up Liberal
November 21, 2007 - 18:30 ET by TruthMongerHow to Pick Up Liberal Chicks
by Ted Turner
Forward by Bill Clinton:)
Who are these NEW enemies?
November 21, 2007 - 17:06 ET by LionKingSo, who are these new enemies?
There Goes Ted Again
November 21, 2007 - 17:41 ET by BourbeauGiving us his version of the world. He must be referring to Sarkozy, Merkel, Brown, the old Eastern Block nations, probably India, and Australia too. We've screwed up our international reputation to the point of no return. What is it about us that we can't make nice with the likes of Ahmadinejiad, Castro and Chavez? We must be a bunch of ingrates. Thanks Ted for keeping us abreast of life in your world. Now, do us a favor, get lost!!!!
So glad you asked
November 21, 2007 - 17:43 ET by mattmAll those who were our friends during the Clinton mis-administration: Kim Jong Il, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Ahmad Insanejihad, Saddam Hussein (except he's dead), Uday and Qsay (except they're dead), and the rest of the Libo-socialist-terrorist-tyrants of the world.
Ted Turner, the example inbreeding mental retardation
November 21, 2007 - 17:06 ET by Lame CherryI honestly think I have the vocation for Ted Turner. He could be poster child for "this is your mind on drugs" and "families should not interbreed" for the absolute asinine statements which foam from his mouth.
Apparently in his Georgia school he was planning future adultery and fornication when American History was being taught..but here is a little quote for Turner in "the nation with them most friends wins in the end".
America at it's beginning was assailed by the Spanish Empire, Indian Empire, French Empire and British Empire. These empires all tried to snuff out as in genocide the entire American people as much as Hitler did the Jews.
Those facts can be read in Winning of the West by Theodore Roosevelt in his wonderful history of the settling of the Ohio.
Americans have always been hated. Mexico has had an open warfare on the United States from the Spanish, French and that elitist group of criminal thugs who run her now.
Power is the only thing which makes friends of jealous nations. The nation with the most production of raw resource into technology wins in the end.
There must be something in the water in Georgia which liberals drink from as Carter and Turner are pregnant examples of inbred mental retardation giving a bad name to a really nice group of Georgians.
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Turner math
November 21, 2007 - 17:33 ET by ThisnThatTed Turner needs to do this math:
When we "had friends": 3,000 murdered on 9/11
Now that we don't have friends: No other attacks on U.S. soil
Memo to Ted: With "friends" like we used to have, who needs enemies?
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ThisnThat & LionKing
November 21, 2007 - 18:18 ET by MrShyPerfect TnT !!! (oops, sorry, bad abbreviation of your name :p.... CNN connection there :p... but they DO do the best NBA coverage :))
Bush captured (aah, gotta love that Gitmo) or killed most of the enemies setting out to do us harm.
It really disgusts me how 9/11 has been successfully marginalized by the MSM and Dems. Bush was SPOT-ON with his first words after that heinous, barbaric event... "Either you're with us or with the terrorists".
What that did was force people to see what happened with full clarity. Of course, yes, it polarized and divided the country and the world, as many weak-willed people feared it was an "aggressive statement", and it exposed so much of the inane belief that many already had of the U.S. for a long time, that we are the guilty, evil ones. Fine. Bush drew a line in the sand, and I'm with him: the sanity side of it.
He will be villianized for some time after his term is up, but over time (many years) people will look back on his presidency and see the courage he showed in his convictions, and it will prove to be a real turning point in Western civilization and the advancement of a true global community.
And Lion, re: "Who are Bush's enemis?", well, don't we know? Really only one, big collective enemy, that is also fully responsible for spreading this irrational hatred of the man to not only so many Americans but to much of the world. Say it with me everyone....
"M - S - M"
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
Nicely put.
November 21, 2007 - 20:45 ET by superconVictory in Iraq.
A Hillary Monarchy
November 21, 2007 - 17:44 ET by exLibIs Ted suggesting a 100 year hillary (and family) Monarchy?
Strange that Turner is advocating a woman led US just when Hill is running. Coincidence? Nah.....
Also, I think the same people hated us then as do now, the difference is Bush isn't pretending...
This MSM spread idea that there were no wars, jobs grew on trees, there was no bad news, blah, blah, blah, before Bush is just a load of garbage.
Tar Heel Fan
November 21, 2007 - 17:46 ET by ricklailI am a big a Tar heel fan as there is. Does that mean that I have to like the school itself? Chapel Hill is the most liberal town in the state. As a matter of fact it is the a-hole of the state. He could only get by with saying stuff like that a college campus or in a town like Chapel Hill. Let him try to say that at a local meeting of the American Legion. He'd get his ass whipped good.
Democracy: Three wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Just more evidence
November 21, 2007 - 18:17 ET by Army Bratthat he's out of his teeny tiny mind.
Happy Trails...
Quotes on Democracy
November 21, 2007 - 18:59 ET by gideonmjames"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner." - Benjamin Franklin
"Democracy only functions when the good men speak boldly and fearlessly."
"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard."
"If the good men are silent the wicked will make the law of the land."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for enough good men to do nothing."
"Democracy fails when the good men are silent."
"For truth to prevail the good men MUST speak boldly, fearlessly, and unceasingly."
"Truth prevails only when the good men speak boldly, fearlessly, and without hesitation."
"Democracy becomes a dictatorship when the good men are silent."
"We cannot but speak the things which we have seen, and heard, and know of God."
I guess all those years of
November 21, 2007 - 18:20 ET by kgI guess all those years of Jane's "Voting for Vaginas" had some effect on him.
Ted Turner stated,
November 21, 2007 - 18:32 ET by jdhawkTed Turner stated, "theorized that, with women charge . . ."
Yet, we find no evidence in all his years as a corporate executive and CEO of ever promoting any woman, let alone women, to stations of promience and power.
Typical lost liberal nut job, always wishful of what could be in some idealistic world not in anyone's reality including his own.
Give him a hot totty, his meds, and wheel him back to his senior care facility.
Meanwhile, we have 50 million new friends - the Iraqi and Afghanistani people.
Standing on the Truth Reveals Your True Friends
November 21, 2007 - 18:45 ET by gideonmjames"Meanwhile, we have 50 million new friends - the Iraqi and Afghanistani people. "
DAMN RIGHT.
And don't forget the South Koreans, the Japanese, and Europe ... that's at least another 500 million people who appreciate our sacrifice and the fact that we didn't cut and run when dictatorship and communism threatened their futures.
I can just picture President
November 21, 2007 - 18:47 ET by motherbeltI can just picture President Bush moping around the White House, whining "If I've lost Ted Turner, then I've lost America...."
"Because we were friends
November 21, 2007 - 20:00 ET by Jerry"Because we were friends with just about everybody in this world -- the United States was -- when this administration came to power.."
Excuse me! Where was Ted getting his news.... oh... never mind... Clinton News Network. No wonder he has such a rosy view of how things were.
Never mind that we bombed Kosovo, bombed Iraq, bombed a Sudanese aspirin factory, bombed the Chineese Embassy, were attacked at the Khobar towers and did nothing, were attacked at the USS Cole and did nothing, were attacked at the Twin Towers and did nothing, were routed out of Somalia and did nothing. But you know, the French liked us, because President Bill was acting much like a carefree Frenchman, so all was well in the world.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
French attitudes -- at that time
November 22, 2007 - 11:49 ET by ThisnThatAnd wasn't it the French who were quoted as "being surprised at all the fuss over a simple affair by Clinton"? Good friends those French were -- providing a smokescreen when Clinton needed it the most. But no real support for the U.S., as I recall, when Reagan wanted to use French airspace to bomb Kadafy. The French and all the other countries wanted to simply dictate the terms of any and all agreements, rather than act like true friends. Frankly, I don't care -- but I do care when we become duped and believe this rubbish.
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