CNN's O'Brien Talks to Gore Critic, Hints Doubters are 'In the Dark'


On Friday night, CNN viewers were treated to the special "Keeping Them Honest: The Truth About Global Warming," which took time to examine nine "alleged inconsistencies or exaggerations" in Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth," as enumerated in a ruling by a British judge. Host Miles O'Brien also interviewed a member of the IPCC, the group which shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Gore, in the form of a scientist who has challenged Gore's views on global warming. O'Brien, who a week earlier had tagged dissenters with such labels as "dead-enders" and "a very small fringe," on this show suggested that people who are "skeptical" about global warming are "in the dark," and presented what he called "surprising" polling data showing a substantial number of Americans have doubts about global warming theory. (Transcript follows)

Notably, beginning at 1:00 p.m. earlier in the day, CNN started displaying its logo in green, and, for a while, used a clock counting down how long it will be until the upcoming series "Planet in Peril" begins on Tuesday October 23. This special two-part series, which is part of CNN's regular "Anderson Cooper 360" series, will examine environmental issues.

On Friday's special, Gore's claim that global warming has had effects on the frequency and intensity of hurricanes and tornadoes was the first of the nine points examined, as O'Brien brought aboard CNN meteorologist Rob Marciano to discuss the subject. A few weeks ago, on CNN's "American Morning," Marciano had notably exclaimed that he was happy to hear about the judge's skeptical view of "An Inconvenient Truth," as he commented about the movie's inaccuracies, prompting email complaints from CNN viewers.

On Friday's special, Marciano relayed that there are no studies that show "an increase in tornadoes due to global warming," and contended that there is still debate about hurricanes. He related the theory that hurricane intensity has increased because of a multi-decade cycle, and pointed to difficulties in accurately measuring hurricane intensities worldwide. He also suggested that any effects on hurricanes by global warming would likely be small. But Marciano ended his discussion by suggested that if you "go green," that "everybody wins." Marciano: "As for who's right and who's wrong, we may not know the answer until it's actually happening. Until then, I think most would agree that, if you do your part and you go green, well, everybody wins."

O'Brien soon brought aboard Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama, a member of the ICPP who was also featured on "20/20" the same night on ABC. Christy took exception with Gore's willingness to "speak with certainty" about an issue as unpredictable as climate change, and suggested the Nobel committee was trying to "influence American elections." He also pointed out the absence of media coverage when a recent study showed that "Antarctic sea ice extent reached its all-time maximum." Christy: "I suppose CNN did not announce two weeks ago when the Antarctic sea ice extent reached its all-time maximum, even though, in the Arctic in the North Pole, it reached its all-time minimum." Christy also contended that even if the world constructed nuclear plants to replace carbon-producing energy sources, that global temperature would only be affected by "one-hundredth of a degree per decade."

About halfway through the show, O'Brien brought aboard political analyst Bill Schneider to discuss poll numbers on the public's views of global warming. O'Brien had earlier plugged the segment by suggesting that those who do not agree with the more liberal view of global warming are "in the dark." O'Brien: "And what do you believe about global warming? See whether Americans are getting greener or whether they're still in the dark. That's coming up."

O'Brien began his recitation of the poll results: "This one is a surprise. This is the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll, recent one. 'Which of the following statements comes closest to your view of global warming?' we asked. And here's the response. Global warming is a proven fact, mostly man-made: 56 percent. Global warming is a proven fact, mostly natural: 21 percent. And then, completely unproven: 21 percent. It's interesting when you lump those bottom two together, isn't it?" He thought it "interesting" that so many Americans are in a "skeptical realm" even though "more than 90 percent of scientists would say it is man-made and happening."

Regarding the finding that only 35 percent of Americans see global warming as an "immediate threat," Schneider fretted that "our political system can deal with the problems only if people see an immediate crisis," and contended that "it's unlikely much can happen unless people sense a crisis, and the only time they've sensed it is in Hurricane Katrina, and of course then, government did not work."

In a relatively rare acknowledgement, O'Brien brought up the Clinton administration's refusal to push the Kyoto global warming treaty because of its lack of support in the Senate, as he was critiquing the handling of the global warming issue by both the Bush and Clinton administrations. Regarding  President Bush, he related that after making a promise during the election to support regulations to reduce carbon emissions, he "cooled to the concept" after taking office, as global warming became a "dead issue." O'Brien contended that "government scientists who disagreed say they were censored or edited so to appear they were towing the line." After relating the Clinton administration's refusal to push the Kyoto treaty, as the issue "languished," the CNN host concluded that portion of the show by warning that "while nothing has been done, the problem has gotten harder to solve." O'Brien: "So if you're looking for the reasons the U.S. has done little to respond to the climate crisis, you can find them on both sides of the aisle. And while nothing has been done, the problem has gotten harder to solve."

O'Brien later interviewed Peter Schwartz of the Monitor Group to discuss the possibility that flooding caused by global warming could cause refugee problems which could threaten world peace, and then the CNN host finished going through the remainder of the nine points against An Inconvenient Truth, which he called "alleged inconsistencies or exaggerations." O'Brien concluded the program by insisting the British judge still endorsed the basics of Gore's movie. O'Brien: "And we should point out at this point we've gone through all nine of those alleged inconsistencies or exaggerations brought out by that British judge in the midst of that lawsuit. But worth pointing out, that the judge said in mentioning those nine inconsistencies that the scientific substance, the facts of the science that form the basis of Gore's movie, are, in fact, correct."

A transcript of the entire CNN special from Friday October 19 titled "Keeping Them Honest: The Truth About Global Warming" can be found here. Below is a transcript of some noteworthy portions of the show, with some critical portions in bold:

8:05 p.m.

MILES O'BRIEN: Gore's critics also picked up some powerful ammunition just before the Nobel Committee announced the Peace Prize. A British judge ruled "An Inconvenient Truth," the Oscar-winning film of Gore's global warming lecture, contains nine errors that need to be pointed out to students as the movie is played in British schools. Since we're keeping everyone honest here, we're going to look at all nine points of contention this hour. First, the link between global warming and the weather. In the movie, Gore implies there's a direct link between global warming and the killer hurricane season of 2005, which, of course, included Katrina, as well as a series of devastating tornadoes the year before. Listen to this.

AL GORE, from "An Inconvenient Truth," clip #1: And then what happened? Before it hit New Orleans, it went over warmer waters. As the water temperature increases, the wind velocity increases, and the moisture content increases.

GORE, clip #2: And the same year that we had that string of big hurricanes, we also set an all-time record for tornadoes in the United States.

O'BRIEN: Meteorologist Rob Marciano is in the CNN Weather Center. Rob, let's start on that last point there. Is there any science which shows global warming leads to more severe tornadoes?

ROB MARCIANO: Miles, there's no study that we know of that shows an increase in tornadoes due to global warming, either now or forecast for the future. Now, on the topic of hurricanes and global warming, that is still up for debate. Storms have increased in the Atlantic since 1995. The question is why and where else? Some hurricane experts say Atlantic hurricanes have increased because of a 20- to 30-year ocean cycle. Some say it's because of global warming. Regardless, Atlantic hurricanes account for less than 15 percent of all tropical cyclones worldwide. So studies have been done to see if storms worldwide have increased. And some studies say yes. Others say the data from outside the Atlantic is not good. Estimating hurricane strength from satellites, well, it's just not precise. And the U.S. is the only country to routinely fly into hurricanes. And that's the only way to actually measure a storm's strength. A recent study conducted by respected scientist Jim Kossin re-analyzes the global data and shows that there has been no increase in hurricane strength worldwide in the last 20 years. The fact is, hurricanes need much more than just warm water to grow, but they do need at least 80-degree water to form. Warm water evaporates. It rises, form clouds, and that releases heat. That heat release then leads to more strengthening of the storm. That leads to more evaporation and the cycle repeats itself. The storm can kind of feed on itself and strengthen. Most hurricane experts agree that, if waters increase by one degree Celsius, hurricane winds will increase by about 5 percent by the end of the century. That means any increase that we have seen in recent hurricanes due to warming would only be about 2 percent, statistically indiscernible. And, of course, it's not as simple as warm water equals strong storm. Some things can kill or at least weaken a hurricane, dry land, for one thing, dry air, and something called wind shear. High-altitude winds typically energize most storms, but they actually weaken hurricanes. And when tropical cyclones ride the trade winds east to west and high-altitude winds are strong, it creates this wind shear. When a hurricane or tropical storm hits wind shear, the top of the storm actually gets choked and torn off. This not only weakens hurricanes, but it also prevents storms from forming in the first place. And a recent study done by the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory says global warming may increase wind shear and therefore decrease hurricanes. Now, I'm sure there's going to be more studies down the road, Miles, and no doubt this debate will continue. As for who's right and who's wrong, we may not know the answer until it's actually happening. Until then, I think most would agree that, if you do your part and you go green, well, everybody wins. Miles?

O'BRIEN: I guess we're all part of the experiment. Thank you very much, meteorologist Rob Marciano.
...

8:15 p.m.

O'BRIEN: But many skeptics are quick to point out Gore does not have any scientific credentials. And that's what leads us to a crucial ocean current widely known as the Conveyor belt. What may or may not be happening to it is another bone of contention for those critical of "An Inconvenient Truth."
...

O'BRIEN: No one doubts it can be sudden, but IPCC scientists see no evidence it will happen any time soon.

O'BRIEN: Politics makes for strange bedfellows, of course. Well, so does winning one of the world's most prestigious awards. Up next, I'll speak with a man who shares a slice of this year's Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore, but doesn't see eye to eye with him at all. And what do you believe about global warming? See whether Americans are getting greener or whether they're still in the dark. That's coming up.
...

O'BRIEN: But I'll tell you who's not laughing, the critics who accuse Gore of being an alarmist, who say global warming is not a catastrophe. One of them is, ironically, one of the scientists who shares a piece of the Nobel Peace Prize with Gore, former NASA scientist John Christy, joining from us Huntsville, Alabama. Dr. Christy, good to have you with us.

Dr. JOHN CHRISTY, University of Alabama: Hello.

O'BRIEN: I assume you're not happy about sharing this award with Al Gore. You going to renounce it in some way?

CHRISTY: Well, as a scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, I always thought that, and I may sound like the Grinch who stole Christmas here, that prizes were given for performance, and not for promotional activities. And when I look at the world, I see that the carbon dioxide rate is increasing, and energy demand, of course, is increasing. And that's because, without energy, life is brutal and short. So I don't see very much effect in trying to scare people into not using energy when it is the very basis of how we can live in our society.

O'BRIEN: So what about the movie do you take issue with, then, Dr. Christy?

CHRISTY: Well, there's any number of things. I suppose, fundamentally, it's the fact that someone is speaking about a science that I've been very heavily involved in and have labored so hard in, and been humiliated by, in the sense that the climate is so difficult to understand, Mother Nature is so complex, and so the uncertainties are great, and then to hear someone speak with such certainty and such confidence about what the climate is going to do is, well, I suppose I could be kind and say, it's annoying to me.

O'BRIEN: But you just got through saying that carbon dioxide levels are up, temperatures are going up. There is a certain degree of certainty that goes along with that, right?

CHRISTY: Well, the carbon dioxide is going up. And remember that carbon dioxide is plant food in the fundamental sense. All of life depends on the fact carbon dioxide is in the atmosphere. So we're fortunate it's not a toxic gas. But, on the other hand, what is the climate doing? And when we build, and I'm one of the few people in the world that actually builds these climate data sets, we don't see the catastrophic changes that are being promoted all over the place. For example, I suppose CNN did not announce two weeks ago when the Antarctic sea ice extent reached its all-time maximum, even though, in the Arctic in the North Pole, it reached its all-time minimum.

O'BRIEN: Let's talk about the critics in general. Many of the critics we hear from have links to the fossil fuel industry. A lot of their funding comes from the coal and oil industries. How about you?

CHRISTY: All of my funding is federal and state grants. And I apply for them and write my papers, which are peer-reviewed. So I have disengaged and never was really involved in any of that.

O'BRIEN: Does it make you angry that Al Gore got the Peace Prize?

CHRISTY: No, I think it's just a commentary on a prize that is a political prize. I think it was clearly designed to influence American elections and so on. But, in a sense, you can't begrudge someone who has become a star. I mean, he has really attracted the media attention and so on. So that's just what happens in the world of politics.

O'BRIEN: So you say this is a political award then?

CHRISTY: Well, as I said at the very beginning, I don't see any accomplishment here. I don't see CO2 going down because of the campaign, the crusade that he's on. And I only see it going up, because, and I come back to this, energy is absolutely vital for human society, and its use will increase. There's a tremendous amount of pent-up energy demand, especially in the Third World right now. So we shall see it rise.

O'BRIEN: But some would say it's time to look at alternatives that don't put that CO2 into the atmosphere.

CHRISTY: Well, I've done the work on that, and the only alternative that can make a tiny dent in the rate of temperature increase, if it is increasing at a high rate, is nuclear power. So if you built 1,000 nuclear power plants right now, you would be able to affect the global temperature by, listen to this, one-hundredth of a degree per decade. I don't know if that's the price we want to pay, but nuclear power, in democratically accountable countries, is fairly safe and useful that way.

O'BRIEN: John Christy, thank you for your time.

CHRISTY: My pleasure.
...

O'BRIEN: The scientists who share the Peace Prize with Gore say evidence the climate system is warming is unequivocal, and it's everywhere -- increased air and ocean temperatures, rising sea levels, and melting snow and ice. And check out this chart. Based on information gleaned from Antarctic ice core samples, it shows carbon dioxide and temperature levels on Earth over the past 650,000 years.

GORE, in An Inconvenient Truth: Look how far above the natural cycle this is, and we've done that.

O'BRIEN: There really isn't anyone who denies these numbers. As Gore puts it:

GORE: The so-called skeptics look at this and they say, "So? That seems perfectly okay."

O'BRIEN: And some skeptics suggest the graph on its own does not prove a link between human production of greenhouse gases and global warming. True, perhaps, but it is only one graph, one compelling piece of circumstantial evidence.
...

8:33 p.m.

O'BRIEN: We're looking at global warming, just the facts, and we're keeping them all honest as we look at Al Gore, his movie and those who say he didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

So what does the evidence show about what you think? Al Gore may be winning all kinds of awards, but a lot of Americans are not buying what he is selling. For some insights into some surprising numbers, we turn to our senior political analyst, Bill Schneider. Bill, good to have you with us here.

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER: Sure.

O'BRIEN: Let's look at the numbers, first of all. This one is a surprise. This is the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll, recent one. "Which of the following statements comes closest to your view of global warming?" we asked. And here's the response. Global warming is a proven fact, mostly man-made: 56 percent. Global warming is a proven fact, mostly natural: 21 percent. And then, completely unproven: 21 percent. It's interesting when you lump those bottom two together, isn't it?

SCHNEIDER: Well, yeah, because it says only 56 percent. The top two, the top answer, rather, agree with the overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming is not just a fact but it's caused by people. If you don't think it's caused by people, then you probably don't think there's much people can do about it. Like the weather. Everybody talks about it; nobody does anything about it.

O'BRIEN: It's interesting because more than 90 percent of the scientists would say it is man-made and happening. And about 40 percent of Americans are still in the skeptical realm.

SCHNEIDER: That's right. They are still skeptical of that argument.

O'BRIEN: All right. Next, this is also from the same poll, CNN/Opinion Research Poll. Question, first question. "Is global warming a threat to the world?" 72 percent of you say yes, 27 percent no, but this is the interesting one to follow up on here.

SCHNEIDER: Right.

O'BRIEN: The question then was: "Is it an immediate threat, an eventual threat, or not a threat?" And look at how the numbers went there. That's interesting, isn't it?

SCHNEIDER: Yes, because only 35 percent, just over a third, consider global warming an immediate threat. That's significant because our political system can deal with the problems only if people see an immediate crisis. That's the way it was designed. It was designed for weak government. If there's no overwhelming sense of public urgency, there's too many ways to block things from happening. So it's unlikely much can happen unless people sense a crisis, and the only time they've sensed it is in Hurricane Katrina, and of course then, government did not work.

O'BRIEN: We work best when our back is against the wall.

SCHNEIDER: Exactly.

O'BRIEN: All right, listen to this. This final one is interesting. This is from a different poll organization. This is from Pew Global Attitudes, their project there. And the question, they gave people a list of worries, potential worries, and asked people if environmental problems were at the top of their list. And based on the answer, 70 percent in China say yes. All the way at the bottom is the U.S. at 37 percent. How do you explain that one?

SCHNEIDER: Well, Americans see other things as bigger problems because, of course, we're the only global superpower today. What other things did they pick higher than the environment? They pick the spread of nuclear weapons. They pick religious and ethnic hatred. Russians and Chinese worry a lot about the growing income gap between rich and poor in their fast-growing economies. People in developing countries often pick AIDS and the spread of infectious diseases as a top threat. And interestingly, people in Japan gave very high priority to the spread of nuclear weapons, and I can think of a reason why.

O'BRIEN: Yeah, for sure. Sounds like people generally think locally, not globally, right?

SCHNEIDER: Exactly right. They think locally and they think about immediate crisis.

O'BRIEN: All right. Bill Schneider, thank you very much for sorting through these numbers with us. We appreciate it.
...

8:36 p.m.

O'BRIEN: What about Al Gore's record when he was in the White House? Now, you would think he and Bill Clinton would have done a lot to curb global warming. Well, think again. There was a brief moment in time when Al Gore and George Bush actually agreed on global warming. When they were running for the Oval Office in 2000, they were asked in a debate if they would promise to limit U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Global warming needs to be taken very seriously, and I take it seriously.

O'BRIEN: But that didn't last long. Once Bush became President, his administration cooled to the concept, if you will. Vice President Cheney told CNN's John King that Bush's campaign promise to cap greenhouse emissions would hurt the U.S. economy.

DICK CHENEY: It was a mistake because we aren't in a position today to be able to do that in terms of sort of capping emissions, CO2 emissions.

O'BRIEN: And that was that. In the Bush White House, global warming became a dead issue. Government scientists who disagreed say they were censored or edited so to appear they were towing the line. The administration flatly rejected the Kyoto treaty, which holds industrialized nations to limits on greenhouse gas production. But Kyoto was an orphan before Bush left it on the world's doorstep. It languished during the Clinton/Gore years as well, even with the issue's best-known global activist a heartbeat away.

BILL CLINTON: We need a climate change on Capitol Hill on this issue, and it should not be a partisan issue.

O'BRIEN: Political considerations hindered both administrations.

DAVID HAMILTON, Sierra Club: I would say that the Bush administration has a "D" and that the Clinton administration probably got a "C plus." Either way, not very good grades. We're very far behind the curve on where we need to be on controlling global warming both in the process and the politics.

O'BRIEN: Last year, Gore told Larry King he urged Clinton to push for ratification of the treaty.

AL GORE: I have to say that it was perfectly reasonable for him to say, look, our congressional relations people tell us there is no support for it there, and I personally tried. I could only convince one senator out of all 100 to say that he or she would definitely vote to ratify.

O'BRIEN: The Senate voted 95 to nothing not to accept Kyoto's caps, and Bush has remained steadfastly opposed to mandatory regulation, insisting voluntary measures and high technology are the solution.

BUSH: These technologies will help us be better stewards of the environment. And they will help us to confront the serious challenge of global climate change.

O'BRIEN: So if you're looking for the reasons the U.S. has done little to respond to the climate crisis, you can find them on both sides of the aisle. And while nothing has been done, the problem has gotten harder to solve.
...

8:41 p.m.

O'BRIEN: Throughout this hour, we're bringing out the points of contention with Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth." On to number seven now. The polar bears, as you well now, have become an icon of global warming, and they are literally on thin ice, but could they actually be drowning? That's what Gore says in the movie.

GORE: A new scientific study shows that, for the first time, they're finding polar bears that have actually drowned swimming long distances up to 60 miles to find the ice. And they didn't find that before.

O'BRIEN: Critics, including that British judge we've been telling you about, say there is no proof polar bears have died because of global warming. The scientific study in question says four bears died after swimming in open water in Hudson Bay through a storm. Was it the storm that killed them, as skeptics suggest, or was it climate change? Well, we do know this. They wouldn't have drowned if they were on the ice, and there is no doubt the ice there is steadily retreating, especially in places like Hudson Bay.
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8:55 p.m.

O'BRIEN: And we should point out at this point we've gone through all nine of those alleged inconsistencies or exaggerations brought out by that British judge in the midst of that lawsuit. But worth pointing out, that the judge said in mentioning those nine inconsistencies that the scientific substance, the facts of the science that form the basis of Gore's movie, are, in fact, correct.


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It's not AGW doubters who

It's not AGW doubters who are in the dark. But, thanks to AGW panicmongers, it won't be too long before a lot of people are in the dark because of the idiots who buy into AGW denying construction permits for coal fired or nuclear generation plants.

This might not be a bad thing: no electricity means no television and no newspapers, so the left will no longer be able to easily propagandize the nation.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Hurricane and Hot Weather

It always creates a smile in me whenever I see these ignorants like O'Brien, Gore, McKinley etc.... who come up with the most unbased cause and effects.

I would suggest the case study of the microcosm of the rather large inland ocean of America called the Northern Great Plains. This once grassy sea is now a urban, grass and farming vista which records some very peculiar data.
For example the earth money worshippers like to always point to rising temperatures as a sure hurricane booster. Yet in the last 2 seasons hurricanes have actually been rather bland.

For the case study of the Great Plains, there are certain data which show yearly in multitude of examples that when temperatures reach above certain criteria in 90 plus degrees that cyclones (on land hurricanes) are actually eaten as are super cells by the heat.
I will REPEAT THAT FOR READERS. Heat actually will kill storms because heat stops the rain from forming which gears the microcosm of storms so they feed themselves.

This issue is extremely delicate in balance for while winds will be produced in the 70 mph range, there is not the capability of 150 mph winds in straight lines which these systems always progress with.

The same holds true in the spawning bed of Africa where the Lo pressure systems form due to the uneven heating and cooling on the African continent. Just like in America, these Lo pressures either due to heat either can not form or are so weakened they can not develop into any major storms on the ocean.

The exact case study then proves that actually over heating which these dolts are complaining about is actually a positive thing as hurricanes are hindered both on land and by the earth sweating while the systems are over the ocean and blocking out sunlight which IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF HEAT in this dimension capable of creating weather.
On land which is uneven and has micro geography like divides uneven cooling can cause major storms when overheating takes place, but these storms are no different than the typical summer storms which have always been a part of the United States.
In the ocean without the divides and only flat ocean, the systems simply spin out and die as all systems eventually do.

Just thought I would share that exclusive finding by me.........but for some reason all of the findings which I publish never get the Nobel goofballs to ever award me a prize.........they seem instead of award them to pedophiles in Arafat and Hitler wanna bes like low priest Al Gore.

 

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Speech Police Tourrette's

Hey O'Brien, get a clue: when a judge reviews evidence and concludes Gore lied about certain things in the film, it can no longer be called "alleged inconsistencies."  Gore stretched the truth. The truth prevailed in a court of law. The debate is over!

That's a bit like saying Mike Nifong was "allegedly mistaken" about the Duke lacrosse boys.

card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy

Miles O'Brien

This guy almost single-handed created the anti-Bush - Katrina firestorm.

Before the hurricane had subsided, O'Brien was on the street beating the drum that the federal government was absent and not providing post-hurricane support services.

 He never once mentioned that President Bush had to call that idiot governor, Blank-Oh, who had not issued evacuation orders on the Saturday before the storm.

 O'Brien is a partisan puke!

PShannon

I might direct you to Tim Graham's post today on the new governor in Louisiana, and my comment under the post. Including a link to a video on Gov. Blanco, and a bit more. Enjoy truth. (;~> gary

Gary

you 'might' well get back to us when you do : )

"The more I study science, the more I believe in God."     Einstein

botg - I'm a bit slow today..

botg - I'm a bit slow today (I didn't thnk it would be difficult to find).. but I got it -- and I did that. Thanks. (;~> gary

Gary

i was joking and had your link in my answer

"The more I study science, the more I believe in God."     Einstein

Wait a second...

Rob Marciano still works for CNN?

His applause at the British judge's ruling I thought would have put him on Turner's $h!t list.

I'm picturing Ted's goons taking him aside and telling him, "Play ball or you'll be out weathercasting for good! You won't even be able to get a spot on a low powered UHF station in It, Mississippi!
"

-cs™

Ok listen up!

Ok listen up, all you deniers!!

The debate is over!

The science is settled!

There is a consensus!

So sit down and shut up!!

I never was very good at

I never was very good at listening. LOL 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Yeah!

The Goracle has been anointed by the Nobel Peace Prize Committee (I wonder why it wasn't the Nobel Science Prize?), so you'd better watch out!

For his next trick, he will mount his trusty steed, armor gleaming in the sun, slay the Hildabeast and ride in triumph to the Presidency

...as foretold in scripture, no doubt.

I just haven't found the passages yet.

Interesting: O'BRIEN:

Interesting:

O'BRIEN: Last year, Gore told Larry King he urged Clinton to push for ratification of the treaty.

AL GORE: I have to say that it was perfectly reasonable for him to
say, look, our congressional relations people tell us there is no
support for it there, and I personally tried. I could only convince one
senator out of all 100 to say that he or she would definitely vote to
ratify.

O'BRIEN: The Senate voted 95 to nothing not to accept Kyoto's caps,
and Bush has remained steadfastly opposed to mandatory regulation,
insisting voluntary measures and high technology are the solution.

BUSH: These technologies will help us be better stewards of the
environment. And they will help us to confront the serious challenge of
global climate change.

O'BRIEN: So if you're looking for the reasons the U.S. has done
little to respond to the climate crisis, you can find them on both
sides of the aisle. And while nothing has been done, the problem has
gotten harder to solve.

Kyoto was Gore's baby as Vice-President. President Clinton wasn't behind it and not one senator supported it either. They voted down Kyoto caps by 95-0. Mr. O'Brien, maybe the debate was over, THEN.

Anyone who would ram unsettled scientic evidence down our throats is someone who should not to be trusted. Either debate it or go away.

Refund from Gore

Check this out. Someone tallied up the number of minutes Gore's inaccuracies consumed in his film; then totaled up the number of minutes of "filler" [such as images of Gore in his limo, more Earth photos, a Mark Twain quote, Gore memories, stuff about Winston Churchill, the 2000 election, and rising insurance claims from natural disasters], and concluded that Gore owes movie goers a massive refund.

This article also points out several other inaccurate statements that have nothing to do with Gores GW lies:

  • He says in the film that polio has been "cured," implying that we can cure "global warming." While a preventative polio vaccine does exist, there is no "cure" for polio.

  • Gore attempts to smear his critics by likening them to the tobacco industry. In spotlighting a magazine advertisement proclaiming that "more doctors smoke Camel than any other brand," he states that the ad was published after the Surgeon General’s 1964 report on smoking and lung cancer. But the ad is actually from 1947 — 17 years before the report.

  • Gore also says in the film that 2005 is the hottest year on record. But NASA data actually show that 1934 was the hottest year on record in the U.S. — 2005 is not even in the top 10.

Somehow, I don't think anyone other than Fox News is going to report this.

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Al Gore's Fat Offsets scheme

In addition to his well publicized "carbon offsets" scams, I mean schemes... did you know Al Gore also operates a unique Fat Offsets scheme, known as FATSOS...

It's very clever. Al pays 10 peasants living in third world shi+t holes to go without a 1000 calories a day, so that he can continue to gorge himself.

It's a win/win situation.

Think about it. These poor people are already going without that very 1000 calories anyway. They're PEASANTS people. They're already starving.

 So Al gets to gorge, and feel good about it.

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Al Gorge

I like that.  Al Gorge.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

LOL -- well spotted. I

LOL -- well spotted. I missed that one. Al Gorge. It good.

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Gore's "offsets" explained

Gore's "offsets" explained simply:

Those of us with the big bucks will continue to use as much energy as we want, because we are "paying" for it.

The rest of you plebes: Conserve, dammit!!

Just wait, in the future

Just wait, in the future Democratic administration, there will be plenty of room for these dissidents in "Global Warming Re-education Camps"

Watching a documentary on

Watching a documentary on the History Channel about Viking voyages. Eric the Red left Iceland in the early 1000's went to Greenland, which the commentators (to my surprise) said Greenland was green and forested. He started a colony. The commentators said that Greenland was much warmer than it was today. Therefore there had to have been global warming, and enough to make Greenland green and fertile and able to sustain a colony. Then the climate changed and got colder the colony died off.  Sounds like the climate probably follows a cyclical pattern to me and nothing to panic about. I don't think the vikings had too many SUV's back then. This alarmism is going to be very costly in money, lifestyle and loss of political rights if the lefty wackos have their way. This movement is wholly political and has nothing to do with science.  

Uh-oh, better not tell Leon about this

It would be sure to release another frenzy of his "Greenland wasn't green" posts.

Nonsense. It's a well known

Nonsense. It's a well known fact the people move and settle territories that are less advantageous than their home lands.

Clearly the Vikings would prefer a perpetual frozen wilderness to Norway and Sweden!

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indeed Jack

and don't steal my idea for Emu farms in ANWR

"The more I study science, the more I believe in God."     Einstein

I just copyrighted it.

I just copyrighted it. Sorry.

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90% of scientists.. 90% of scientists..

90% of scientists.. 90% of scientists.. say what?

Really Miles... show us the survey that backs that up. Now let's be specific here. You call yourself a journalist. You've got a whole show here that is based on your belief that 90% of scientists say so (Oh, I'll get back to that - "would say so").

We want to see a survey where all scientists in the world have been asked the question. I note, you did not note a specific group of scientists, nor exclude specific groups of scientists. Does your group of scientists include politicians? Meteorologists?
Atmospheric scientists? Does it include Al Gore?

Now look at what you stated (my bold):

  • It's interesting because more than 90 percent of the scientists would say it is man-made and happening.

Oh, I see. This imaginary group of scientists did not actually say this, rather, they would say if they were inclined to say something. Or, perhaps better put, they would say what you want them to say, if they were to say something - perhaps?Besides Miles, even those scientists who do say some of this stuff that you like, are not actually saying that global warming is man-made. They are saying (some are suggesting the possibility) that man is adding a component to naturally occurring global warming.

90%. Miles, without doing a survey, I can guarantee you that 90% of us, believe that you are nuts and dangerous. Come on down and let's talk.

It is what's missing in the 'science' that bothers me

Climate Change Omission 

Heat from undersea hydrothermal vents at the ocean ‘basement’ has been ignored by the IPCC as a contributor to Climate Change.

 Increased Total Hydrothermal Flux (THF) may be due to a multi-century long expansion (bursts) of tectonic plates. Ocean basement heat generates THF contributing to ocean warming through Thermo-Haline Circulation (THC). A well established estimated for the absolute THF is ~9x10^12 W [Elderfield and Schultz, 1996].  

“~9x10^12 W” represents Watts; in fact 9 Terawatts (9TW); about 75% of the current 12TW of all man-made power used today for ~6 billion residents.

 

IPCC has also ignored tectonic plate expansion (“palaeoradius”), hydrothermal vent bursts and increased ‘cyclical’ THF compared to 500, 100 or even 50 years ago. The planet may simply and quite naturally be getting warmer due to our ‘basement’ heat.

 

The 2001 IPCC report at Working Group 1: The Scientific Basis; 7.3.3 Interior Ocean Mixing mentions neither hydrothermal vents nor THF effects on climate change; a rather large 9TW omission.

 The 2001 IPCC reported: In summary, the uncertainties associated with interior ocean mixing parametrizations [sic] are likely to be small for climate projections over a few decades but could be considerable over longer time scales.

IPCC 2001 hedged where it concluded that “…over longer time scales.” interior ocean [THF] mixing could be considerable.

 

Even one TW is a lot of heat.  9 TW equals 9000 one-megawatt power stations. All of those sub-sea and annual Terawatts would accumulate to some degree (excuse the pun) over “longer time scales”.

 

The ocean’s basement is constantly heating ocean waters that move in a ~1000 year cycle around the globe in warm and cold currents. The oceans may be visualized as a big pot of salty water on a small bunch of “hot plates” transferring 9TW of energy per year.

 

Why has nobody, especially the IPCC, bothered to look at 9TW of THF heat coming from the abyss?  Maybe, it is because THF is a natural evolutionary physical phenomenon that we can do nothing (with today’s technology) to alter. However, the climate change debate might itself be altered if industry could find a way to harvest even some of that 9 TW for use on land; saving two birds with one lithosphere.

  

Mitchell NewDelman

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Undersea hydrothermal vents.  Great point.  I read something someplace that they are so important to our temperature that if they ever stopped pumping out hot lava, a good part of the world including the US would freeze. 

So that's yet another important factor left out of the AGW computer models?  Yet Kansas denied a construction license to a new power plant on the basis of this incomplete and erroneous "science".  Scary.

the real deniers

And, the host of this TV show has an advanced degree in what science?

Miles O'Brien is a liar

Or a fool.  Or both.  Two examples:

1) "But worth pointng out, that the judge said in mentioning those nine inconsistencies that the scientific substance, the facts of the science that form the basis of Gore's movie, are, in fact, correct."

Miles, baby, ignoring that you're quoting, almost verbatim, one of the left's talking points...just because the underlying facts of the science might be correct, it doesn't automatically follow that Gore's portrayal of them is correct.

2) "four (polar) bears died after swimming in open water in Hudson Bay through a storm. Was it the storm that killed them, as critics suggest, or was it climate change? Well, we do know this. They wouldn't have drowned if they were on the ice, and there is no doubt the ice there is steadily retreating, especially in places like Hudson Bay."

Miles, baby, that is illogical, pandering crap. Even if the ice is retreating, the bears jumped into the water and were swimming in a storm, right? They could have stayed on the ice, right? As you liberals like to say, the bears made a bad choice.

Well RJ,

Perhaps the ONLY way O'Brien wouldn't have claimed the reason the bears died while swimming in a storm was due to AGW would be if they had fallen off of Al Gore's yacht or somesuch. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

"Miles, baby, that is

"Miles, baby, that is illogical, pandering crap. Even if the ice is
retreating, the bears jumped into the water and were swimming in a
storm, right? They could have stayed on the ice, right? As you liberals
like to say, the bears made a bad choice."

It's even worse than that. These clowns are implying that no polar bears in the history of polar bear existence have ever drowned until now, and it's all because of global warming. Even MORE worse, many many people buy into this nonsense. Far too many people view this issue through an emotional prism, instead of a common sense one.

Why are people surprised?

We're dealing with Modern Liberals.  CNN is loaded with them. Watch this video by Evan Sayet.  Evan, who used to write for Bill Maher, has them figured out.  If you don't watch any other video, this is the one to watch.  I've watched it many times - it's that good.  Find some quiet time. Watch the Q&A at the end too.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

You'll start to see the same patterns that drive all Modern Liberals - as opposed to old time liberals who were actually "for" things.

Enjoy!