CNN's O'Brien Defends Gore Movie, Global Warming Debate Over

By Brad Wilmouth | October 15, 2007 - 01:24 ET

CNN viewers on Friday saw a relatively rare acknowledgement of those who are skeptical of Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth," including a British judge who recently ruled that there are nine inaccuracies in the movie. But CNN's Miles O'Brien dismissed the views of dissenters, and downplayed the importance of the errors cited by the judge.

As he made several appearances on various CNN shows on Friday, O'Brien tagged dissenters with such labels as "dead-enders," a "tiny fraction of a minority," and a "very small fringe," as he linked skeptics to fossil fuel companies. He also repeatedly declared that the scientific debate on global warming is over. Notably, on the July 20 "The Situation Room," O'Brien had curtly lectured former Republican Congressman J.C. Watts with similar comments on the subject. O'Brien: "You're not paying attention to the science, J.C. You're definitely not paying attention. ... The scientific debate is over, J.C., we're done." (Transcript follows)

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During Friday's "American Morning, "anchor Kiran Chetry relayed some of the concerns of Gore's critics. Chetry: "There have been some critics who say that the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" is filled with mistakes. A judge in Britain, in fact, just ruled that Al Gore's climate change film has nine errors. And you have the author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" who said today that awarding this prize to Al Gore cannot be seen as anything other than a political statement."

Later in the show, Chetry brought aboard O'Brien, who is CNN's chief technology and environment correspondent, and asked him about the film's "inaccuracies." O'Brien list a few of the judge's findings of errors, but still endorsed the movie: "If you go through all of those statements, they, in sum, do not actually go after the central thesis of the film itself, which is that global warming is real and there is a human connection there. ... the judge said in that same ruling when he said, you know, there are these nine mistakes, 'it is clear that it is based substantially on scientific research and opinion,' but it is a 'political film,' and, of course, as he put it, not party political. So, clearly what we're talking about here is, there isn't much debate in the science. The judge didn't even say that. But the point is the response has become politicized. And, as a result, people have gone after some of these small points, which, when you look at them, at specific instances, don't add up to really going after the whole thesis."

O'Brien made his next appearance during the 9:00 hour of "CNN Newsroom," during which he contended that the "very few scientists" who dispute the link between fossil fuel emissions and global warming were "in many cases, they're funded by the fossil fuel industry." O'Brien, speaking to anchor Heidi Collins: "You just said a few moments ago that some scientists say that there is a dispute over the link between manmade emissions of fossil fuels ... and the link to climate change. But the fact is that there are very few scientists that are saying them. And if you look at the small handful that are still saying this, in many cases, they're funded by the fossil fuel industry." He soon continued: "So there really isn't a scientific debate anymore on this."

He appeared again during the 10:00 hour of "CNN Newsroom," and this time labeled skeptics as "dead-enders" who are "few and far between." O'Brien: "I guess you could call them 'dead-enders' out there. There are a few that are still holding true to the notion that maybe this is some sort of natural cycle. They really are few and far between, Tony." The CNN correspondent also dismissed the significance of the judge's list of nine inaccuracies, contending that "they really boil down to exaggerations," and reassured viewers that the film "is based on substantive science." O'Brien: "The one thing the judge does say, though, which kind of got lost in the shuffle through all this because of the nine inaccuracies, is that it is his firm belief that the Gore film is based on substantive science."

At his next appearance during the 11:00 hour, O'Brien called dissenters "a tiny fraction of a minority," and connected their funding to the fossil fuel industry as he again proclaimed that "it's not a scientific debate anymore." O'Brien: "And when you say some scientists disagree with that, it is a tiny fraction of a minority of scientists out there. And when you look at those scientists and trace their funding, frequently you are led to the fossil fuel industry. So, really, it's not a scientific debate anymore."

When O'Brien appeared on "Your World Today" during the 12:00 hour, he portrayed skeptics as "fewer and further between," charged that "the turf that they're standing on is narrower and narrower," and again claimed that "it's really no longer a scientific debate."

During the 1:00 hour of "CNN Newsroom," O'Brien called dissenters "a very small fringe," and characterized the inaccuracies cited by the British judge as "exaggerations, but not complete falsehoods." When anchor Don Lemon tagged the inaccuracies as "a little poetic license," O'Brien agreed that it was "a little bit of Hollywood there perhaps."

O'Brien appeared again during the 5:00 hour of "The Situation Room" where he commented that since Gore's film came soon after Hurricane Katrina, it turned out to be a convenient time for Gore to "turn up the heat on those who doubt global warming." O'Brien: "It may be little more than a glorified PowerPoint presentation, but it couldn't have been more convenient for Al Gore and for those who agree with him it is time to turn up the heat on those who doubt global warming."

After conceding that Gore "didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story, O'Brien listed some of the inaccuracies cited by the British judge, and commented that "the judge also said it is clear that ["An Inconvenient Truth"] is based substantially on scientific research and opinion" before again portraying dissenters as "fewer and farther between."

Below is a transcript of relevant portions of CNN coverage from Friday October 12:

From "American Morning":

7:02 a.m.

KIRAN CHETRY, speaking to John Dickerson of Slate.com: Of course, this decision is not without its critics, as often is the case when the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded. But there have been some critics who say that the movie An Inconvenient Truth is filled with mistakes. A judge in Britain, in fact, just ruled that Al Gore's climate change film has nine errors. And you have the author of The Skeptical Environmentalist who said today that awarding this prize to Al Gore cannot be seen as anything other than a political statement. Is it a political statement?
...

8:05 a.m.

CHETRY: You know, so, of course, people can't wait to jump out and pounce and, in fact, in Britain, we have a judge who actually made some sort of ruling regarding Al Gore's movie, if it's going to be shown in schools, it has to list off some of the inaccuracies in it as well. Are there a lot of inaccuracies in An Inconvenient Truth?

O'BRIEN: Well, the judge found nine cases where he felt there were inaccuracies with the science. And if you go through those nine inaccuracies, among them: polar bears have drowned because of a lack of an ice pack; Al Gore's statements about how quickly the ice packs in Greenland and Antarctica might in fact be melting; making a link or at least inferring a link between things like increased tornadoes and global warming where there is no scientific proof. If you go through all of those statements, they, in sum, do not actually go after the central thesis of the film itself, which is that global warming is real and there is a human connection there. As a matter of fact, the judge said in that same ruling when he said, you know, there are these nine mistakes, "it is clear that it is based substantially on scientific research and opinion," but it is a "political film," and of course as he put it not party political. So, clearly what we're talking about here is, there isn't much debate in the science. The judge didn't even say that. but the point is the response has become politicized. And, as a result, people have gone after some of these small points, which, when you look at them, at specific instances, don't add up to really going after the whole thesis.

CHETRY: But the prize is not because of the film, it's because of the body of work on bringing attention to global warming, correct?

O'BRIEN: Well, there's no question he's been talking about this for a long time, and he served as the de facto spokesman for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. This is a group of the world's leading scientists who frankly are not great communicators. Scientists themselves don't do a very good job communicating to the general public. And when you get a group of several hundred smart people in a room, the end result, the statement they make, tends to get watered down. Now, Gore, not encumbered by that, served as their spokesman in this case. And on the wake of that tough hurricane season of 2005 with Hurricane Katrina, had the benefit of some good timing. People were focused in on this subject.

From the 9:00 hour of "CNN Newsroom":

O'BRIEN: You just said a few moments ago that some scientists say that there is a dispute over the link between manmade emissions of fossil fuels, of global warming fuels, global warming gases, and the link to climate change. But the fact is that there are very few scientists that are saying them. And if you look at the small handful that are still saying this, in many cases, they're funded by the fossil fuel industry. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which shared the prize with Al Gore, came out with a report in March of this year. This is 2,500 of the world's leading scientists, several hundred reviewers who synthesized all the known science out there. And here's what they said. Temperature rise predicted between 3.25 and 7 degrees Fahrenheit, sea level rise between 7 inches and 2 feet, just about. And now 90 percent certainty that global warming is caused by human beings. So there really isn't a scientific debate anymore on this, Heidi. This is about what to do about it. And that's where politics enters into this.

From the 10:00 hour of "CNN Newsroom":

TONY HARRIS: You know what, Miles, but let's talk about those doubters a little bit more here for a second. You know, we're talking about a UK judge, NASA administrator Michael Griffin, some climatologists, some meteorologists. Are they winning the argument in any significant way? Are they making us look at the issue differently? And are they proposing that we not take steps to cut back on these emissions?

O'BRIEN: Well, there are a few, I guess you could call them dead-enders out there. There are a few that are still holding true to the notion that maybe this is some sort of natural cycle. They really are few and far between, Tony. Even the NASA administrator, Mike Griffin, backed off those comments where he lent some doubt as to whether human beings could do anything about it or was it appropriate for NASA to get in the middle of it. Sort of modified those comments after he made them to National Public Radio. You know, you mention in that list, the judge, for example, who found nine inaccuracies in Al Gore's movie, portions of which you're seeing right here before you. Really, if you look at those inaccuracies and go through them point by point, they really boil down to exaggerations. For example, Al Gore says in the movie that the South Pacific islanders have evacuated to New Zealand. Well, that is a prediction which is very likely as sea level rises, but those evacuations haven't happened yet. The one thing the judge does say, though, which kind of got lost in the shuffle through all this because of the nine inaccuracies, is that it is his firm belief that the Gore film is based on substantive science. In other words, he doesn't question the larger thesis here. He does say that in some cases Al Gore may have connected some dots that scientists are not ready to connect.

From the 11:00 hour of "CNN Newsroom":

MILES O'BRIEN: And when you say some scientists disagree with that, it is a tiny fraction of a minority of scientists out there. And when you look at those scientists and trace their funding, frequently you are led to the fossil fuel industry. So, really, it's not a scientific debate anymore.

From "Your World Today":

MICHAEL HOLMES: What about the doubters, Miles, the skeptics, those who say it's either phony science or it's been blowing out of proportion?

O'BRIEN: Well, they're fewer and further between, Michael.
...

O'BRIEN: And the people who are really in the doubting realm, first of all, the turf that they're standing on is narrower and narrower. They're even at this point admitting that human beings are hastening this whole process. When you look at their funding sources and you consider what is motivating them, frequently you will find yourself right into the hands of the fossil fuel industry. So the doubters are still there, but they are a fraction of a minority now. It's really no longer a scientific debate.

From the 1:00 hour of "CNN Newsroom":

O'BRIEN: This is scientific, peer-reviewed studies. These are not political statements. These are matter-of-fact statements that express the conservative nature of scientists who always have some sort of doubt built into their thesis and their conclusions. And yet it is very clear-cut out there. And really, there's only a very small fringe out there that would doubt what the IPCC and what this body of scientists has to say.

DON LEMON: And what are they saying? I think there's some doubters -- a British judge; NASA, as a matter of fact, administrator Michael Griffin; and certain climatologists and meteorologists, as well, are doubting this?

O'BRIEN: Yeah. Well, let's start with this British judge. It's interesting because it goes right to the heart of "Inconvenient Truth." "Inconvenient Truth" was sent out to high schools all throughout Great Britain, and there was a lawsuit which came out of it, saying, "Hey, this is not an accurate movie." A judge ruled that the movie should be shown to high school students but that it should be pointed out that there are nine inaccuracies that the judge determined inside the Gore film. You're looking at polar bears right now. For example, Al Gore in the movie says polar bears have drowned because of a lack of sea ice. Well, that hasn't been conclusively proved. He also says at one point that South Pacific islanders and low-lying atolls have actually evacuated to New Zealand. Well, that is a prediction that may come in the coming years as sea level rises, as you see there in the graphic, but has not happened yet. Basically, there's a series of these which amount to exaggerations but not complete falsehoods. And the one other thing to point out is that what this judge said was the substance of the science was accurate in the piece. So, that's just one example. You talk about Mike Griffin and NASA. He doesn't doubt global warming, doesn't doubt that human beings are a part of it. His issue was what should NASA, what should human beings be doing about it?

LEMON: Right, so it's just sort of, what's the word I'm looking for here? The overall context outweighs what's happening. A little poetic license, maybe, Miles. Is that what they're saying?

O'BRIEN: I think you're right. You know, a little bit of Hollywood there, perhaps.

LEMON: Miles O'Brien, much appreciated. Thank you.

From "The Situation Room":

WOLF BLITZER: A former Vice President, almost a President, an Oscar winner, and now winner of the Nobel Peace Prize for his work to raise awareness about global warming. Al Gore is unquestionably on a roll right now. Let's go right to our chief technology and environment correspondent, Miles O'Brien, watching this story for us. All right, he's doing, obviously, very well, but what about the message that he's pushing forward?

MILES O'BRIEN: Well, Wolf, timing is everything. So while Al Gore has been preaching the global warming message for years now, decades, the movie, which captured one of those lectures, came at just the right moment. It was right on the heels of Hurricane Katrina. And, finally, it seemed, Americans were listening to his warnings. It may be little more than a glorified PowerPoint presentation, but it couldn't have been more convenient for Al Gore and for those who agree with him it is time to turn up the heat on those who doubt global warming.

OLE DANBOLT MJOS, Nobel Committee: He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.

O'BRIEN: Al Gore struck the right note at the right time, and now wins the Nobel Peace Prize.

GORE: Tipper and I will go to Oslo, and I will accept this award on behalf of all of those who have been working so long and so hard to try to get the message out about this planetary emergency.

O'BRIEN: Gore shares the honor with the worldwide organization of scientists that has been sending up warning flags for nearly 20 years.

MARTIN PARRY, IPCC: What they've done now is finally establish at the global level, there is an anthropogenic, a man-made climate signal coming through on plants, animals, water and ice.

O'BRIEN: That is the most recent assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The IPCC believes in the next century temperatures on Earth will increase between 3.25 and 7 degrees; sea levels will rise 7 to 23 inches; and they say there is a 90 percent certainty it is a human-caused problem.

JAMES HANSEN, NASA Climatologist: The picture has become clear enough that we should be telling people about it. It's not a time for reticence.

O'BRIEN: And in some cases, Gore didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Saying Pacific islanders have evacuated to New Zealand, a prediction that has not happened yet. That polar bears have drowned for lack of firm ice. There's no proof of that. Or implying global warming will generate more tornadoes. No smoking gun there either. A judge in Britain mentioned those exaggerations and six others, Wolf, as he ruled on whether "An Convenient Truth" should be shown to high school students there. But the judge also said it is clear that it is based substantially on scientific research and opinion, but that it is a political film, albeit, of course not a party political film. Of course, the Nobel Laureate now, Al Gore disagrees. He says it's a moral and spiritual issue. Wolf?

BLITZER: There are other global warming doubters, as you well know, out there, Miles. Who's left and what are they saying?

O'BRIEN: Well, they are fewer and further between, Wolf. And it's interesting, there's been a big progression on what they've been saying. Most of them now, even the ones that are absolute hard core doubters, do admit now that human beings have something to do with all of this. It's really boiling down now to what should be done about it. Much of the world is insisting on sort of mandatory caps on emissions of these greenhouse gases. The U.S., the Bush administration, insisting voluntary measures will do the trick.

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O'Brien is strutting about

O'Brien is strutting about as if he was God's gift to climate science.  I'd like to see him and Gore debate Dr. Richard Lindzen and Michael Crichton on this issue.  He would get his underwear pulled over his head.  Such a debate might even qualify as entertainment.

 I'll wager we don't see any AGW pundits appearing here to debate this topic on this thread either.  Al Gore says they don't have to because the debate is over. 

Awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to this ignoramus Gore for his disigenuous scare campaign is akin to awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to Joeseph Goebbels for his efforts to explain the scientific basis of the Master Race.

 

I am unemployed, Mr.

I am unemployed, Mr. O'Brien, and I still think global warming is a hoax. Care to explain that?

Take your head out of the sand and see that America doesn't buy into your MSM carbon-is-evil bull.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

If the debate is over

why do they keep telling us the debate is over? Wouldn't it be self evident if it truly were? I mean...if people keep debating it...how can the debate be over? Jeez...

Happy Trails...

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... er, um ...

We're still trying to figure you out. 

Mile O'B and Al G

Shouldn't they give the

Shouldn't they give the award to old Adolph himself? For his work in dealing with europe's population problem?

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

And CNN is, of course, the

And CNN is, of course, the consensus view, no matter the actual viewership: 

"...one should not lose sight of the fact that Fox News remains the dominant channel, both in terms of overall audience and individual shows.

In 2006, more than half the people watching cable news were watching Fox News (as they have since 2001).

The mean audience for Fox News in prime time was 1.4 million in 2006. That is more than triple the viewership of MSNBC (378,000) and almost double that of CNN (739,000). More than half (55%) of all viewers watching prime-time cable news in 2006 were tuned into Fox News.

During the day, 54% of the viewers watching the three main cable news channels were tuned to Fox, again about double CNN and more than triple MSNBC. Fox News averaged 824,000 viewers, against 472,000 for CNN and 244,000 for MSNBC.

By program, Fox News had nine of the top 10 shows, according to Nielsen rankings.4 Only CNN’s Larry King broke that monopoly at No. 7. The “O’Reilly Factor” was again the most-watched show on cable news, averaging 2 million viewers a night. (source)

Of course, these guys try hard to mitigate FNC's influence, but they had to admit the above quote.

That brings us to Miles O'Brien, a real piece of work.  If you do a search on him, you find that he graduated from a private high school in Grosse Pointe, Mich., and is the technology and environmental correspondent for CNN (source).  He drives an SUV;

...I was, at long last, moving my family after a summer of weekend visits. Large as it is, the Yukon XL was packed to the gills with my wife, two children, two big dogs and a lot of stuff we just had to bring...(source),

and after reading a bunch of the hits that come up, my personal opinion is that he really loves sensationalism when it comes to reporting on the environment.  Two very interesting examples:

1.  Gov. Haley Barbour Urged to Blame Bush

"We knew it was a strong storm developing for several days before it ever made landfall," AM host Miles O'Brien told Barbour, before asking, "Do you have the sense that the federal government has dropped the ball here, sir?"

Barbour rebuffed O'Brien's attempt to get him to play the blame game, insisting that he had his facts wrong.

Read the whole interview to get a real sense of how O'Brien tried to coerce Barbour into blaming the federal government.

2.  Senator Inhofe & CNN Anchor in Heated Exchange Over Global Warming Coverage
Watch Video of Senator Inhofe on CNN

This one is really choice.  Inhofe hands O'brien his own head on a platter:

...The Senator accused the media in his speech last week of dismissing “any pretense of balance and objectivity on climate change coverage and instead crossed squarely into global warming advocacy.” This despite the fact that there is no scientific “consensus” that humans are causing a climate catastrophe, as a letter sent to the Canadian Prime Minister on April 6 of this year by 60 prominent scientists who question the basis for climate alarmism clearly explained...O’Brien’s 2005 global warming CNN special “Melting Point”, also attempted to smear scientific skeptics of global warming as tools of industry. But O’Brien ignored alarmists like Hansen and his obvious ties to environmental special interests and scientists like Michael Oppenheimer -- a paid partisan of the group Environmental Defense and Michael Mann (the creator of the 'Hockey Stick') who co-publishes a global warming propaganda blog reportedly set up with the help of an environmental group. When he is asked how much oil and gas money he gets, the Senator responds "Not Enough, -- especially when you consider the millions partisan environmental groups spend.” The media never points out that environmental special interests, through their 527s, spent over $19 million compared to the $7 million that Oil and Gas spent through PACs in the 2004 election cycle -- a ratio of 3 to 1...

INHOFE: And I wonder also, Miles, it wasn't long ago -- you've got to keep everyone hysterical all the time. You were the one that said another ice age is coming just 12 years ago.

O'BRIEN: I said that? I didn't say that.

INHOFE: You didn't say that. Let me quote you...

O'BRIEN: No, no, no. I'd be willing to tell you there are stories like that. But there's not...

(CROSSTALK)

INHOFE: ... quote you so I'll be accurate. I don't want to be inaccurate.

O'BRIEN: All right, go ahead.

INHOFE: You said, in talking about a shift that was coming -- you said, "If the Gulf Stream were to shift again, the British Isles could be engulfed in polar ice and Europe's climate could become frigid. [From CNN Transcript titled Scientists Research the Rapidity of the Ice Age dated December 19, 1992.]" That's another scary story.

O'BRIEN: But that also is a potential outgrowth of global warming when you talk about the ocean currents being arrested. (my emphasis.  The Ice Age is due to global warming.  Man made global warming.  OK.  Right.)   This is "The Day After Tomorrow" scenario that we're talking about...

This is a really good piece.  Inhofe is masterful. 

So what it all boils down to is, O'Brien is a shill for partisan alarmist environmental special interests.

I'll bet this has been covered before when I wasn't looking (the Inhofe Interview), but I just had to include it.

 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Track all your comments without scrolling back and forth

Miles. Your bio keeps

Miles. Your bio keeps pointing out you attended Georgetown university. I assume you did, but no where have I found that you got a degree. Can I ask? Did you get a degree? BS? MS? PhD? In what? A scientific field? Journalism? How many courses did you take in research design?  Did you ever do scientific research?

May I ask what superior ability gives you the right to tell those of us with and without degrees what to think?

If all you got is the debate is over? You have nothing.

Arrogant twit. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Danbo, as much bovine

Danbo, as much bovine produced natural organic fertilizer as he puts out, his degree is a BS...but it doesn't stand for Bachelor of Science.  He may also have a PhD, as he keeps Piling the BS higher and Deeper.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

The debate is over

Nothing more needs to be said. And shouldn't be said. As quoted by Ted Turner, Al-Queda in CNN: "These anti-GW infidels are attacking our religion. We will declare jihad against all non-believers. We call upon all of our followers to expose, denigrate, and ruin the reputation of anyone speaking out against our GW religion, and will reward each of our insane followers with 72 free minutes of air-time on CNN for each such infidel ruined by our tactics. Praise Gore-Allah!".

I hope this statement convinces all NB'ers to stop, and I mean STOP their condemnation of our lord Gore and his followers. You all need to convert to our religion. Now stop what you are doing, learn our rules and language, and start facing East when you pee.

___________________________________ 

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Peeing east

And don't use more than 1.5 gallons to flush, either. 

 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Eight symptoms of Group Think

 1. Illusion of Invulnerability: Members ignore obvious danger, take extreme risk, and are overly optimistic.

2. Collective Rationalization: Members discredit and explain away warning contrary to group thinking.

3. Illusion of Morality: Members believe their decisions are morally correct, ignoring the ethical consequences of their decisions.

4. Excessive Stereotyping: The group constructs negative stereotypes of rivals outside the group.

5. Pressure for Conformity: Members pressure any in the group who express arguments against the group's stereotypes, illusions, or commitments, viewing such opposition as disloyalty.

6. Self-Censorship: Members withhold their dissenting views and counter-arguments.

7. Illusion of Unanimity: Members perceive falsely that everyone agrees with the group's decision; silence is seen as consent.

8. Mind guards: Some members appoint themselves to the role of protecting the group from adverse information that might threaten group complacency.

From

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

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I think we can check off all eight.

As someone else said, if the debate is over, why is there still a lively debate?  More and more, when someone says, the debate is over, it sounds like wishful thinking rather than a statement of fact.

Also hits the election

This also hits the 'stuff' in the news about the run for  President.  Where are all these 'polls' about how Hillary is ahead?  We don't know of ANYONE who is voting for her and we certainly don't live in a cabin cut off from the world.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

The people who will vote for

The people who will vote for Hillary will be predominantly in the inner cities and other locations to which she continues to pander for votes. The one (and only) thing she has going for her is that she and her team are brilliant and ruthless politicians. The will attempt to pick off each state by pandering to the minorities in the cities and population dense areas and convincing them that the Republicans “hate you”.

Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"

GOOGLE IT...

Look up the 1963 Communist Goals for America as well. Many of them can be tied into this topic on several levels.

The only thing O'Brien knows thats settled is CNN's rating, they have settled for 2nd at the present time. This sort of story is just 1 more reason why.

 

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

   This is off-topic but

   This is off-topic but your definition of Group Think is spot on for being in a union.  It's the part that got on my nerves the most when I was a union member. 

Same here

Same here, MA. 

 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Number nine on the Symptoms of Group Think list

 

9. You're a Leftist.

 

(Great list, Danbo)

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there are very few scientists that are saying them. And if you look at the small handful that are still saying this, in many cases, they're funded by the fossil fuel industry 

But Miles, stipulating there are such scientists, as Dr. Gray pointed out, what about all of the scientists who say AGW is real in order to receive a government or private organization grant?  Isn't that still saying something in order to be paid?  So isn't that as "dirty" as getting oil money to say the opposite?

Let's have at it.  Make the two columns, get out the calculator and and let's figure out how much "each side" is spending.

Senator Inhofe weighs in

When he is asked how much oil and gas money he gets, the Senator responds "Not Enough, -- especially when you consider the millions partisan environmental groups spend.” The media never points out that environmental special interests, through their 527s, spent over $19 million compared to the $7 million that Oil and Gas spent through PACs in the 2004 election cycle -- a ratio of 3 to 1...  

If accurate, then O & G support is 2.5 times less than that provided by partisan alarmist environmental special interests.  I'd be surprised if it wasn't a lot more for the AGW crowd- they have a lot of very looney, very rich fat cats in their camp.  That is what makes them scary- the same thing that has suddenly made the islamo-fascists such a force to be reckoned with- money, lots of money.

 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Watch Sundance and be blown away nofate

I have Sundance channel and occasionally watch it to see what's up.

I am amazed by how many people don't have to work for a living and do crazy stuff to save trees and animals.

One "documentary" was about a girl who lived in a tree for months so that it wouldn't be cut down by vicous loggers.  How she got money for this was beyond me.

She talked in psuedo spiritual talk but acted more like she was on drugs.

There's dozens of shows like this on Sundance.  

Also, just watch the News, how many people can afford to go around and be Cindy Sheehan and be full-time anti-war, anti-republicans?

Gotta get drunk first

I've gotta have at least a couple of beers first.  Maybe after the next family bar-b-que or something, although I hate to waste good Q on Sundance ;-) 

 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

Zero in on your past comments, no scrolling.

The Dbate is over....Winter is coming ...not warming

As I said in a previous Al Gore Post....the only reason Algae is getting a Nobel prize is so they can resurrect him from the GW Grave.  It was dying, and Al needed a boost...now he's all over the MSM ........ for awhile, just wait until Winter....Allah help him if a Snow Storm locks up NY this Winter...I think about 3 ft of snow will do it.  

The only thing that is "over" is CNN ratings, they will never see them rise again.

As O'Brien failed to say "it is a tiny fraction of a minority of" Viewers that are watching CNN. 

Believers of GW are dying if it takes a PEACE prize to bring it back to the Front Page.   

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

Not paying attention to the science?

O'Brien obvioulsy is mixing up science and propoganda.

Scientific debate? What about the scientific method.

So far I haven't seen anything that impresses me as following that.

Messing with the statistics to make them show what you want isn't finding the facts, just manipulating the masses.

 

Um, Miles, the judge didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement

to Gore's approach.

You said, "the judge also said it is clear that ["An Inconvenient Truth"] is based substantially on scientific research and opinion."

"substantially on scientific research and opinion?"

And that gives you confidence in Gore's movie, Miles?   You're willing to bet our economic survival on his SUBSTANTIAL adherence to science?   On his use of OPINION?

If so, Miles, you're a fool.

Ulterior Motive

It has never occurred to any liberal mind that Al might…just might.. have an ulterior motive and personal agenda which has nothing to do with global warming.

Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"

And on the wake of that

And on the wake of that tough hurricane season of 2005 with Hurricane Katrina, had the benefit of some good timing.

I'm so glad that the 12 feet of water in my home was 'convenient' for Mr Gore. I'm from South East of New Orleans, and I'm getting pretty tired of Democrats using Hurricane Katrina for their own political benefit. 

 


Man is not free unless government is limited. - Ronald Reagan

What strikes me is that all

What strikes me is that all these comments regarding "Global Warming" are almost identical, from the media proponents of the theory right down to the Liberal on the street. They all say, "The debate is over", akin to sticking their fingers in their ears and singing "la-la-la". Did they get their talking (or shushing) points from Gore, himself or have they all been brainwashed by aliens? It's kind of creepy.

What makes you think Algore

What makes you think Algore is not an alien?  Do you honestly think that manbearpig is a creature native to Earth?  If he is not an alien, how could you explain his hiring a feminist to give him pointers on how to be an alpha-male? 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Bottom Line

Their "chief technology and environment correspondent" is the FORMER co-host who was FIRED earlier this season because of LOW RATINGS. So, what kind of credibility do you have left after you're fired from the lowest rated morning show on cable?

does he ever get out of the house?

The way this guy talks it's as if he never gets out of the house to meet real people (meaning anyone not living on Manhatten Island). He seems to be trapped in an echo chamber of his own BS. There are (now) thousands of documents and studies questioning or completely trashing AGW for goodness sakes. How about the fact that there's been no warming since 1998??? How about the fact the oceans have belched up about 20% of their heat value in the last seven years??? etc., etc., etc.

I feel a Primal Scream coming on. These lunatics are driving me up the wall with their absolutely ignorant drivel.

Miles O'Brien & Global Warming

quote:

"O'Brien tagged dissenters with such labels as "dead-enders," a "tiny fraction of a minority," and a "very small fringe," as he linked skeptics to fossil fuel companies. He also repeatedly declared that the scientific debate on global warming is over."

O'Brien is correct on all those points, obviously. But he screwed up in Saturday's 'Keeping them Honest' segment by showing the results of polls of ordinary citizens who responded to questions like

  • "Do you believe global warming is occurring?";

  • "Do you believe it's natural?";
  • "Do you believe it's human-caused?"

This reduces science to the level of religion: If enough people believe (or disbelieve) something then it must be true (or false). That in turn reduces O'Brien and CNN to the level of FoxSnooze. And that, boys & girls, is where baby righties come from. Emotion, Belief, and the One True Holy and Apostolic Church of Roger Ailes.



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