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During an August 6 interview, posted online, with Television Week, former CNN anchor Bernard Shaw blamed racism for the debate over whether illegal immigrants should be in the country as he referred to "some people who still believe that people of color are not needed in this country." In response to a question about diversity in the newsroom, Shaw contended that "each generation fights the same battle, only it becomes more subtle, more sophisticated, but it's still a war" before tying in the illegal immigration debate. (Transcript follows)
Without using the word "illegal" in referring to illegal immigrants, he seemed surprised that some would want to enforce immigration laws. Shaw: "Look at the immigration battle right now. We have about 13 million people who have been living in this country for years, raising their children, educating them, and there's actually an argument about whether they should be here. They are here, and they are a vital part of the American fabric."
Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of Television Week's interview with Shaw, as posted on their Web site, from August 6:
TELEVISION WEEK question: "What is the state of diversity in the newsroom today?"
BERNARD SHAW: "Proponents of diversity should never be pleased with the level of staffing, be it African Americans, Latinos, Asian Americans ... proponents should never be pleased. There is an ingrained resistance in the minds of people who control to people who are different. That is natural because of the way this country evolved historically.
"The battle is never won. We taught our children, our son and daughter, that the battle is never won. Each generation fights the same battle, only it becomes more subtle, more sophisticated, but it's still a war. The battle is to help this great nation achieve the promise, that's all.
"Look at the immigration battle right now. We have about 13 million people who have been living in this country for years, raising their children, educating them, and there's actually an argument about whether they should be here. They are here, and they are a vital part of the American fabric.
"The battle is never won. There are some people who still believe that people of color are not needed in this country. And yet people of color have been the essence of this country since its beginning. So there's a great education requirement, and all of us are educators and we're going to make this country work."














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No, being against legal
August 26, 2007 - 01:32 ET by zfNo, being against legal immigration would be racist. Being against illegal immigration is common sense. Legal immigrants get a good schooling on our countrys history and laws, a schooling better than some of our children get from our schools. I've seen some of the tests they have to pass and trust me, they aren't easy at all.
Again, rewarding immigrants who make an effort to join our nation and punishing those who flaunt our nation by thinking they are entitled to come in no matter what equals common sense, right?
And it's not like Mexico is a horrible hellhole. Sure it has it's fair share of problems and corruption and I wouldn't say it's on the whole a better place to live then the US, but it also has some nice cities, nice beaches and a long history to enjoy and you can make a decent life there. It's not like it's Cuba's Castro or something that justifies people fleeing anarchly en masse here from there without regards to the impact on our economy and laws and claiming it was a life or death situation.
That's a liberal tactic:
August 26, 2007 - 07:38 ET by motherbeltThat's a liberal tactic: instead of arguing the original point, attempt to change the argument, challenging the opposition to "prove" that he/she isn't a racist bigot.
Dangit!
August 26, 2007 - 12:07 ET by Rastus03And all this time I've been walking around thinking I brought some much needed "essence" to society, but I am not, because I am not a person of color. Darn the luck. I'll have to update my resume. Thanks, Bernie!
My closest friend and
August 26, 2007 - 23:03 ET by TheDeuceMy closest friend and coworker, born in India, earned his citizenship 2 years ago after years of productive work and thousands of dollars in fees. He spent his first 2 years in the country without his wife and newly-born son, as he took an IT job on an H1B visa. She came over with their son, and they've jumped through every legal hoop the US government put in his path to earn the right to be called an American.
No one is more pissed than he at the current state of illegal immigration and the leftists' desires to make illegals sympathetic via the media. He doesn't understand, at times, how this propganda and lies can be called news.
Prasad, if you've visiting and see this post...feel free to chime in.
Shaw
August 26, 2007 - 01:33 ET by Felicity RandSo when does it end, Bernard? We'll just keep letting people in--and then what?
Color has nothing to do with this argument. It's about knowing who is here (heard of terrorists trying to kill us, Bernard?)
Aren't the Open Border proponents insulting the intelligence of the illegals by assuming they are incapable of handling the legal route with paperwork, etc.? Who's really the racist?
Poor Bernie.... Still
August 26, 2007 - 01:58 ET by bigtimerPoor Bernie....
Still clueless.
Diversity
August 26, 2007 - 02:29 ET by nkviking75I wonder what Bernie would say if a lot of Canadians were streaming over our border? Would he be thrilled with an influx of illegal white people?
As for diversity, it's neither good or bad. It just is. Diversity needs some sort of unifying principle, or else it leads to chaos. A bunch of people all going their own way without any commitment to a common culture can only tear a nation apart.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
How many times for liberals
August 26, 2007 - 02:47 ET by wiwfHow many times for liberals to play the race card until it becomes hilarious? :)
If he says it's racism because he thinks only Mexicans are illegals, he's the racist bigot (:
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested,
exiled, or hanged." -Abraham Lincoln
Another liberal twit....
August 26, 2007 - 02:57 ET by Army BratPeople who fail to respect the law are not welcome in this country. Race juss doan enter into it ya boob. Happy Trails...
"People who fail to respect
August 26, 2007 - 03:24 ET by riff_raff"People who fail to respect the law are not welcome in this country."
The highest law in this country is the U.S. Constitution, and it quite clearly defines what the federal government legally may or may not do. The President, Congress and the federal judiciary willfully violate the letter and intent of the Constitution on a daily basis. So if we're going to kick people out of the country for legal transgressions, shouldn't we start at the top?
Stick to the point....
August 26, 2007 - 06:31 ET by Army BratIt matters not one wit what others may be doing as regards the law. The subject is illegal immigrants not illegal acts in general and you know it. Are you suggesting we deport our criminals? Your comparison makes no sense.
Please elaborate on the willful violations of the letter and intent of the Constitution by Congress etc... particularly those that occur on a daily basis... By the way...government sucks. Any government. They all suck... okay? The one we have seems to me to be the best of the bunch. The one thing we have goin' is a free press. It may be biased as hell, but it still outs the bad guys no matter what their political affiliation. As long as we have a free press, (not every single one of them is in someones pocket.) we will survive even the likes of the evil Darth Bush and his minions. Happy now?
If one begins ones life in this country by arriving here in defiance of our laws regarding immigration, what does that say regarding their respect for our laws in general?
"So if we're going to kick people out of the country for legal transgressions..." No...(Jeez..do I really have to say this?) Just for being here illegaly. You know...no Visa, no Passport...all the things you need when you travel to another country like say France or Germany or even Russia. I think that's the way most governments operate. Nothing sinister about wanting to know who is entering your country and what they want to do whilst they are there.
And there's damn sure nothing wrong with kickin' someone out if they arrive without documentation or permission.
Try entering any other country on this planet without doing so legally and see what kind of reception you get.
Happy Trails...
BRAT
August 26, 2007 - 10:11 ET by botgi linked this yesterday what are your thoughts?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botg
August 26, 2007 - 19:21 ET by Army BratWow...looks like their having a great deal of success! Self deportation may well work in the end.
What I realy think needs to happen is...Mexico becomes the 51st and second states. (Bein' from Alaska, I doan want us to give up the title of largest state.) We cut loose on the drug lords and such, clean up the government... (cause we're so good at that...ahem...) The corruption in the Mexican government makes our boys and girls look like the original Mouseketeers, and would be nigh on to impossible to "clean up".
Seriously though...if Mexico wasn't a hell hole they'd be happy in their own country as most of us are in ours.
Happy Trails...
Wealth
August 26, 2007 - 22:43 ET by TheDeuceWealth redistribution...restrictions on the right to bare arms...federal restrictions on freedom to practice religion...there's a few to start with.
We are not talking about
August 26, 2007 - 07:03 ET by motherbeltWe are not talking about deporting all lawbreakers. We are talking
about not letting people stay, who have come here illegally. There is a
huge difference, and extrapolating immigration lawbreaking to the President, etc. is a fallacious argument.
Perhaps Army brat should have said "People who fail to respect our immigration law" but you knew what he/she meant.
So are you saying people who have come here illegally should be allowed to stay and have all the benefits of citizenship; or were you just trying to make a point about the Bush administration?
motherbelt
August 26, 2007 - 19:40 ET by Army BratYou nailed it....
"but you knew what he/she meant." To clarify my gender, and maybe where I'm coming from.... I'm the son of a man who served this country in the U.S. Army for 20 years active service, (WWII, in the European and South Pacific theatres and in the Korean conflict.), then 13 more in Civil Service, serving as the Assistant to the Post Commander on Ft.Richardson Alaska.
I know what he sacrificed, and what my family sacrificed, so that this country could remain free. This gives me a fairly good idea of what our soldiers and their families are sacrificing now. Am I biased? Hell yes! I'm pro-America!
Happy Trails...
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August 26, 2007 - 09:28 ET by dahliatraversBy all means. Let's start with the rapist who handed our nuclear technology to the enemy.
Six Degrees To George Bush,
August 26, 2007 - 07:25 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltSix Degrees To George Bush, was his point, I think. It's all somehow GWB's fault and we should halt all legal proceedings against anyone until we deal with the evil Darth George.
'Cuz we all know that once he's gone, all the country's ills - nay, the WORLD'S ills will vanish.
Six Degrees To George
August 26, 2007 - 07:42 ET by motherbeltSix Degrees To George Bush
Good point! That is indeed how those afflicted with BDS operate.
illegal immigration
August 26, 2007 - 07:55 ET by totalkaosdaveTotalKaosDave
Just as liberals say, "We're NOT raising taxes. We're restoring the tax rate to Clinton era levels." Well we're not against immigrants or even illegal immigrants; we just want to restore the number of illegal immigrants to pre-WWII levels...
good, bad, ugly
August 26, 2007 - 08:02 ET by CatherwoodI guess most people would think there is no good type of racism. However, if defending your country's borders against an invading army of foriegn nationals whose design it is to overthrow America and turn it into a state of La Raza, then there is a good type of racism. We should practice it everyday or America as we know it will cease to exist. I still think that most Americans have no idea how great the threat is from the Mexican invasion. When most of you finally realize that the invaders have no intention of assimilating, it will be too late.
Racism
August 26, 2007 - 08:43 ET by seejayIsn't it funny how anti-White Haters call American Whites racist on a daily basis? Their idea of "solving the race issue" is to fill ANY and ALL areas that are currently White with non-Whites. Problem solved!
When there is no White homeland, no place from which Whites might replenish their dwindling numbers, these anti-White Haters tell us there will be no more "racism".
Do you get it yet? White people are the CAUSE of all problems regarding race!
Well F.U. Bernie! And all your other anti-White Haters as well. All the White European Nations are being overwhelmed with muslim and African swarms, but that's your SOLUTION! To me, it's a much bigger problem!
Bernie and his MSM/big government pals have declared war on Whites! As a nation we have gone from 90% White to about 65% White in my lifetime, and the Haters say it's not enough. There's still too many White people!
"Diversity" for diversity's sake is obvious racism! Why do we allow these REAL HATERS to spew their bile?
Oh yeah, it's not polite to react to genocide if you're White!
What "race" is an illegal alien?
August 26, 2007 - 08:35 ET by c5thenThey come from all different countries and races. Shaw shows that he is willing to use racism as a hammer so as to try and close off debate. It's a "do you still beat your wife" statement.
Just because someone is living in a place does not make them the rightfull owner or even a rightfull tenant.
There are a much larger % of asians in the medical fields because of that cultures emphasis on education. Does Shaw advocate giving some of those positions to less qualified people simply to ballance out the racial numbers? Now, that is racism!
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
ballance out the racial
August 26, 2007 - 10:06 ET by general companyballance out the racial numbers? Now, that is racism!
I thought it was affirmative action?
sarc/
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August 26, 2007 - 09:26 ET by dahliatraversWhat's scary is that this man was once in the news (i.e., information) industry. How could he be so clueless about a subject?
If the line of demarcation were race or color, our borders would be closed right now. As it stands (sorry you didn't get the briefing on this, Bernie), people of all races have been coming to this country for decades (indeed, pretty much since 1776) and lawfully become citizens.
In point of fact, it is Shaw who is being disrespectful of those IMMIGRANTS to the United States who chose to do the right and honorable thing by complying with our immigration laws.
It is now , and always be, about them
August 26, 2007 - 09:39 ET by ThalpyOnce again Bernard has shown us that, in this imperfect world, we must be highly selective about who explains things to us. When we see Bernard, Mr. Jackson, or Mr. Sharpton arrive to explain just what it is that we are seeing, I think of Oprah's Garden Party. The party where many of Oprah's talented, gifted, and often rich friends celebrate their success and discuss societal woes brought about by the pervasive racism in the United States. As the alleged racist Lawrence Auster has said many times, not one of the friends has ever credited the United States with having any part in their success. Not once is the United States mentioned with any warmth or affection. And, sadly, never is it mentioned that many of us are what we are because of the United States, not in spite of the United States.
Race card played because he
August 26, 2007 - 09:59 ET by EdhenryRace card played because he can't win on facts.
Best way to look at this is whenever they turn to race card, they admit the other side is correct, factualy correct, objectively correct, correct for nation & culture, legally correct, just not politically correct.
Political correctness is just a weak, co-dependent's path to avoid the facts and truth.
Racist Shaw
August 26, 2007 - 10:46 ET by iveseenitallShaw is a racist. The more the illegals defy the "white man's" law the better, according to the Law of Shaw. The Law of Shaw rears its ugly head every time something "apppears" to be against a minority, but in fact is simply common sense for the common good. Look at the racists coming to the defense of Vick. They wish the "white man's" law to be turned on its head. Is it just a coinsidence that most of the Vick apologists are black?
Liberals like Shaw destroy everything they touch. Give them their way and they will continue to bring this once great nation to its knees.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Bernie's neighbors
August 26, 2007 - 10:20 ET by Mica the MagnificentI'm sure Bernie discusses racism and the struggle every day with his black neighbors. You know, the one 3 acres away to the right of his mansion and the other half a mile down the road, the house with the olympic style pools.
Bernard Blackshaw
August 26, 2007 - 12:10 ET by Lame CherryI will not reveal my ethnic nor religious mix, but I grew up in a unique part of immigrant America. My best friend was an Indian. My neighbors were Irish, Dutch, Russian, German, Black, Slavic, English, Scot etc.... I actually was surrounded by Catholics in an enclave.
Not once did any of us ever get into a fight over race, even though I was a minority among all these minorities. We never fought about religion and it honestly never occurred to anyone to start a fight.
All of us had to be respectful of each other as we were all religions, and even all race groups after Vietnam. That is why growing up I never could figure out the big deal about the civil rights movement as where I grew up everybody had to get along to survive. You didn't give a care what color someone was or where they worshipped........you only cared they had a chain to pull you out when you were stuck.
I thank God I do not know what makes people like Bernard Shaw or John Ridley tick. To view your entire world by the color of skin or religion is as goofy to the the rural people I knew as defining yourself by a sex act like sodomites do. Shaw is so warped in his outlook and chosen like all these "commentators" by the liberal cartels to paint everything black just like gays are moved forward to put a sex angle on every issue as it clouds the real cartel agenda in destroying the American cultural infrastructure.
Lewis should be told to shut up and quit being a warped shill clouding the issue in his anti American caucaphobe hatred of white people. He reveals he is a scared little man yet in thinking if he can just get enough non white people into America then those evil white people will be neutralized and his "superior blackness" will then rule all these lesser colored folks as Bernard Shaw knows without a doubt he is superior to them.
No one ever dares term Shaw, Ridley and Sharpton black supremecists, but that is exactly what they are. They were chosen exactly for that reason just as every minority in the MSM is chosen in interviews with specific revealing questions that they will promote the anti Judeo Christian culture of America.
It is what the cartels intend. Cloud the issue on race so people are chewing on that and while that fight is going on there is the highway going through America, run by Chicoms with thousands of Mexican trucks on it with no breaks running over our kids.
Shaw needs to be asked the real question:
Mr. Shaw why do you want soccer Moms crushed substandard Mexican trucks?
Mr. Shaw why are you advocating the murder of US white children run over by Mexicans without US driver's licenses?
Mr. Shaw why are you pushing the destruction of black culture by importing Mexicans who are taking black male jobs?
Come on Mr. Shaw why are you a racist, elitist who wants the genocide of the United States culture?
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CNN! Keeping racism alive...
August 26, 2007 - 13:22 ET by heldmyw"'Race' is nothing more than a social construct. It holds only as much
meaning as people choose to give it. There is nothing 'scientific' or
'biological' about the arbitrary lines drawn between 'white' and 'black
and 'yellow'. The old-school definitions of 'Mongoloid', 'Negroid' and
'Caucasoid' as the 3 primary races do not encompass the diversity of
our planet.
For example, the Australoid people fall into none of these
categories. Europeans may think Australians resemble black Africans,
and think of them as 'Negroid', but genetically, they are the most
unrelated people in the world.
And the Khoisan peoples of Africa are
not Negroid, Mongoloid or Caucasoid. Caucasoids are characterized by
'tall stature' in dictionary definitions, but the largest people in the
world are the Pacific Islanders, who hail from 'Mongoloid' stock."
http://www.colorq.or...
...Unless you're perpetuating victimhood, of course. Then all bets are off.
CNN! Keeping racism alive and bigotry fat and shiny!
Race
August 26, 2007 - 14:47 ET by seejayWhat total ignorance!
The people that are trying to sell that canard are the REAL enemy!
Oh, bull - Bernie Shaw
August 26, 2007 - 14:13 ET by Gary HallOh, bull - Bernie Shaw.
Shaw should read around a bit more. He might discover that there is a world of informed folks out there who would take great offense in his narrow racist view.
How about the late Barbara Jordan, (D) TX. The Congressial Blackk Caucus created an award in her name, the BARBARA JORDAN AWARD.
Her views:
Or how about the Father of Earth Day, former Senator Gaylor Nelson, (D)
Mr. Shaw. You are partly responsible for that "profound failure."
Mr. Shaw.
August 26, 2007 - 18:37 ET by 4arrowMr. Shaw. please! Securing countries borders is racism?
I think there is a pattern here. Shaw, Curic, name a newsreader, Bill Mahr, Rosie etc.
Yes, do not deny a platform for the inexperienced and undereducated .
But teach your children well.
Honestly, I have atleast 5
August 26, 2007 - 18:26 ET by mostlymoderateHonestly, I have atleast 5 black friends that feel the same way I do about illegal immigration: IT IS WRONG and the illegals should be deported and charged a fine. This has NOTHING to do with race.
Most.Mod. You're not
August 26, 2007 - 18:36 ET by 4arrowMost.Mod. You're not allowed to say that : (
True or not.
Stop looking at the color and start looking at the crime.
August 26, 2007 - 23:49 ET by Johnnye BWhen will people like Shaw, Sharpton, Jackson, NAACP, and SLC stop looking at the color and start looking at the crime.
As soon as it is
August 27, 2007 - 02:09 ET by mostlymoderateAs soon as it is unprofitable for them to do so
i am nauseous
August 27, 2007 - 09:28 ET by ksimm81This is not a racism issue. I believe most Americans do not care what color you are or even where you come from. They just want you to be in this country LEGALLY. Why do people insist on mixing the two and makiing anti-amnesty Americans out to be racists and bigots??
The left never ceases to amaze me......they nauseate me.
MSM initiates 'stop-loss'
August 27, 2007 - 09:39 ET by Sergeant ROCKSo, the MSM has to drag out their retired propagandists to assist with their cause?
Bernie, Bernie, Bernie.. you dumb ol' b*stard!
So Bernie the bigot thinks
August 27, 2007 - 14:51 ET by ErnestSo Bernie the bigot thinks that people of color, whatever that means, are in a battle? Bring it on Jesse! I mean Bernie! Take your one way racism and put it where the sun don't shine.