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By Bob Parks | November 08, 2010 | 17:15
Submitted by ninerdog on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 5:21pm.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 5:53pm.
"Yes" is what my first response was to this too, before I saw that you had already posted the same...So, I'll just say "you betcha"...
If any of these Hollyweird dimwits has so much as a hangnail anymore, they run straight for some lame rehab center of some kind. I suppose they think that if people believe that they have a "problem" of some kind but are getting "help" for it, then that will win them some sympathy and understanding. IMHO, they're all a bunch of pathetic losers.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 5:28pm.
People used to be ashamed to have to go into rehab. Now it's used as an "I'm not responsible for my behavior" card. Personal responsibility is out the window. Every wrong behavior is now an "illness" and therefore excusable.
"Rehab" is now taking the place of the guidance that used to be offered by family, and possibly the parish priest or minister.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 6:07pm.
in a city about a hundred miles from where I live, and they are running a commercial for it on tv, and part of what it says is "And when I relapsed, they didn't make me feel ashamed...It was great!" That just blows my mind and makes me nuts!....If you are an addict of some kind and you relapse after having already gone through rehab once, you should feel ashamed! Feeling ashamed is not always a bad thing...A sense of shame keeps us from doing and/or saying bad, sometimes terrible things, and what is so awful about that? This society has gotten to the point where there is almost nothing that people should be or are made to feel ashamed for anymore...For every fault, moral failing, crime, or transgression, you name it, there is an excuse for it...It's never someone's fault...There is always some bs excuse for everything...As you perfectly said, personal responsibility is out the window, and this is what is a big part of what is wrong with our society today...Makes me nuts!
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 8:23pm.
Well, Sky, you know the important thing these days is for people to NOT feel ashamed of bad things. Just "accept" the fact that one is not perfect.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 9:22pm.
What I think is so backwards now is this all consuming willingness to "accept" you mentioned is used as an excuse to not have to face and overcome our weaknesses and missteps. Not everything can or should be "accepted". There are some things about ourselves (and others) that should be rejected and we should strive to improve or overcome them. Much of this touchy feely, "let's all feel good about ourselves no matter what we have done or will do" stuff, is largely hogwash, if you ask me.
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 5:26pm.
There is a sad reality in children's TV, and that is the complete lack of parental supervision. Parents would rather have their kid be a star than to ensure the safety and follow children in film guidelines.
An example would be in the way teachers (welfare workers) and parents are in collusion with producers, who more often than not choose to skip school time and work day limits in favor of more shooting time. Union reports are lies, as well as the grading system.
The co-star of a show I worked on several years back was a serious cocaine addict at 18. He passed out in the makeup chair, and had to take a 3 week hiatus after an "injury" (we later learned he went to rehab). Needless to say, no one was looking out for the well being of the actor, so long as the production got the shot.
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 8:46pm.
It is not teh resposiblity of the production to micromanage a young actors personal life. Besides are teh parents not there and doesn't the production company have someone looking after the young person? It is also damning as to the loose morals and nonexistant ethics in Hollywood.
You are damning yourself when you say you witnessed this and did nothing about it; just collected your paycheck.
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 8:56pm.
With no understanding of this industry, I would expect you to react in such a way. However, the industry is set up with many safety nets for children, but the people responsible need to do their jobs. The parent is number 1. The studio teacher, aka welfare worker, is number 2. The producers have an overwhelming responsibility as to the safety of the talent, but they can not control how an actor behaves outside of work.
The proper personnel were contacted, and steps were taken to ensure the safety of the kid I mentioned, but once a minor turns 18 he is out of our hands. I am not a stage worker, and my position requires me to maintain budgetary control. Blame me, what do I care? You're just uninformed.
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 9:03pm.
However, the industry is set up with many safety nets for children,
Ah yes, nothing says "role model" like a young entertainer. Geez?
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 9:04pm.
I honestly have no idea what your post is supposed to mean.
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 9:21pm.
But I am not suprised.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 11/09/2010 - 12:04am.
What is it with the creepy stalker troll that used to harass women with threatening talk about thier children that he visits the topic of children over and over and over.
What pathological drive moves you to creep us all out by talking about children knowing your creepy online stalker past? Freakshow.
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/09/2010 - 1:42pm.
Hey anti-social, can't you come up with anything new?
Submitted by Darasen on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 6:29pm.
I am a big fan of this site but this one of those times when NewsBusters just has it wrong. Disclaimer there is a 12 and 6 year old in the house so I am well aware of who Demi Lovato is, I'm a bit of a (much older) fan myself. (not the creepy kind)
Can anyone please point to examples of Demi Lovato's alleged "bad behavior"? All I have heard mentioned are some eating disorder and self cutting. For anybody unawarwe self cutting is a strong indicator of very serious (potentially deadly) emotional issues. The notion that she should be ashamed to to seek help is a bit offensive. Likely more young women coming to grips that it is ok not to always be ok and needing some help could prevent a lot of issues later in life.
I would also like to point out that Demi Lovato is a Christian. The very core of Christianity being that no we can not do everything ourselves and need to rely on Christ for salvation and our daily lives.
Personally I applaud Lovato for seeking help when she needs it not 2 babies and a heroin addiction down the line. As a conservative I fell we need to look at something before pointing a finger. Here's to hoping she does what she needs to get herself back to emotional psychological well being.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 8:07pm.
I have some friends with kids about roughly the same age, so I can sorta relate in the sense that I know who the disney kids are.(and the biggest thing that gets my goat is that "friends for change" propaganda they are pushing, but I digress)
I agree about what you said regarding Lavato, if anything, she's one of the better ones of the disney kids, compared to the antics of miley cyrus that's made the news, or one of the former "cheetah girls" who got her picture of her butt across the internet, and that high school musical chick, Vanessa something or other. And I seem to remember britney spears' little sister getting pregnant and they used that in some show she was in on Nickelodean.(like I said, friends with kids, drives me crazy sometimes!) Many other disney/nick kids are getting more adult roles, maybe too adult(hellcats comes to mind on CW), so there are worse role models to talk about.
If anything, the best thing to do is just hope for the best for Lavato, in her case it seems like the rehab thing is a real situation to help her versus the wild antics of many of the others I named, especially Lilohan who did it just to avoid jail.
Just my two cents before the federal gov't charges me 4 cents as taxes for it.
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 9:15pm.
I dont know her, hope she gets help.
Submitted by z7e1r3o on Tue, 11/09/2010 - 12:02pm.
Thank you, my sentiments exactly. I'm a fan of this site too, but this article/thread bothers me.
Newsbuster's comments about rehab as a crutch might apply to some disturbed stars some of the time, but not all stars all of the time. And specifically calling out Lovato is one such instance.
I'm sure that some/many stars use rehab as a way to get courts out of their hair and off of their backs so that they can continue their behavior, but I'm not convinced that this is the situation with Lovato.
That said, the one thing I'm not sure about is the report of a physical altercation with another member on the tour. Perhaps the incident was used by management to "ask" her to seek help or it may have just been a wake up call for her. Either way, she is seeking help for behavior that is only now becoming public and she chose to go to rehab without a court telling her to. Sounds to me like she is taking responsibility for her actions and wants to make a positive change in her life.
So, how is that a crutch if she's trying to improve her life and actually stop the negative behavior? And what exactly would anyone expect her to do to change without seeking help? I saw criticism of behaviors in the posts in this thread, but I can't recall seeing one suggestion about what she (or anyone for that matter) could/should do to otherwise break the behavior (cutting and eating disorder).
Here's a hypothetical, your son/daughter cuts himself/herself and has an eating disorder. What would you do to help him/her?
PS: Darasen, don't worry about being a fan. My wife and I (mid-twenties) are fans too. Lovato is quite talented in my opinion and being a little bit older doesn't mean you can't recognize that without being creepy.
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Submitted by ckc1227 on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 6:29pm.
Some are using it as a crutch. Some are doing it to stay out of jail. But some may have genuine issues as well. The Demi girl is in rehab for emotional issues, and cutting herself. If you're inclined to cut yourself as a some sort of coping mechanism, there's more going on than simply being a bad girl. I don't know her whole story, but she may be in rehab/therapy for legitimate reasons.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 6:53pm.
If she has emotional issues which are inducing her to cut herself, then she most definitely needs help, as that is not an addiction per se, but rather a symptom of some serious psychological/emotional issues,and I hope she gets the help that she needs.
That said, many if not most of these Hollywood/entertainment industry types who enter, sometimes like a revolving door, various rehabs for various problems, often are doing it to stay out of jail, as a publicity stunt, or as a crutch, as you said. How many times have we seen some of these people go through numerous repeated stays at rehab centers, sometimes conveniently timed to follow right on the heels of them doing or saying something outrageous or illegal? It's hard not to become jaded and cynical about those in the entertainment industry, when we see so much of this, so many times.
Submitted by ckc1227 on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 6:56pm.
But for credibility purposes, NB probably shouldn't try to make that case using a girl who might be there for legitimate reasons. It's sloppy work. Leave that to the lib journalists.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 7:44pm.
and good point.
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 8:32pm.
I had no idea just what Lovato was going into rehab for. I agree; cutting is a serious problem. If that's her problem, she needs serious help.
Maybe "The Girls" don't know exactly what her problem is either. I don't think they would minimize that. I think they were just using the latest example (Lovato) as a jumping-off point for the discussion.
In light of Lovato's problem, she's probably not the right choice for that. Lindsay Lohan and some others would have been better examples of rehab as a cop-out.
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 11/08/2010 - 7:01pm.
I saw her name for the first time on a gossip rag cover while I stood on a supermarket check-out line.
I don't know anything about her, but if she's into cutting herself, she definitely needs help. I hope she get it.
Submitted by DaMama on Tue, 11/09/2010 - 2:13am.
There is something about working for Disney that seems to corrupt young girls and turn them into skanky adults.
1. Brittney Spears started on the New Mickey Mouse Club. You can see where that landed her - a head-shaving looney married to a man-ho and having no clue how to be a mom to those 2 poor boys of hers.
2. Lindsay Lohan - 'nuf said.
3. Hillary Duff - used to be "Lizzie McGuire" on Disney Channel. Tried to do rock music at some awards show and looked like an idiot. Took some not-very-ladylike parts on TV shows.
4. Vanessa Hudgens - "High School Musical" and she's got nude pix on line. Yea - real good.
5. Miley Cyrus - "Hannah Montana" - one fo the biggest Disney girl-stars to date. Her parents should be horsewhipped for what they allowed this immature young girl to do with photographers when she was only 14. Now she feels the need to break out of her "goody goody" image and do some skanky stuff. Great.
6. Demi Lovato - not exactly sure what she's in trouble for, but it must be something if it's plastered all over the tabloids and on the internet.
Disney needs to stop making TV shows with young girls. They all seem to grow up and become nasty young women with no common sense.
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/09/2010 - 8:03am.
It's not just Disney; it's the entertainment world in general.
The studios' responsibillity is to make money. The parents' responsibility is to to protect their kids.
Just because a 13-year-old is wildly popular and making a ton of money, that doesn't mean she is capable of making adult decisions.
They could have avoided it by simply pulling the plug. But they didn't want the kid to resent them for "holding them back."
I've raised 3 kids, and my philosophy as a parent has always been that if your kids don't hate you occasionally, you're not doing your job right.
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 11/09/2010 - 3:28pm.
How about Nickelodeon? Miranda Cosgrove, Jeannette McCurdy, Victoria Justice, Keke Palmer...they all seem to be doing the right thing.
Of course there was that Jamie Lynn Spears thing...
Submitted by talkradio55 on Tue, 11/09/2010 - 3:26pm.
I truly pray that she does not go by the wayside like all those others previously listed here. She appears to be better than that. She's never had a problem like all those others. She appears to be well grounded in Christianity and a good head on her shoulders.
Of course there is also the point already made that she did not go to rehab because she was forced to. This I think bodes well for her. Hopefully, whatever it is will be fixed by this visit and it can be put behind her. I would hate to see her fall off and become another Hollywood starlet ruined by fame and fortune.
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