Climate Alarmists Backpedal: China Now Responsible for Global Cooling
Frustrated climate alarmists, who have failed to match global temperature trends to their dramatic global warming predictions for years, have come up with a counterintuitive study to explain the lack of global warming since 1998: China's excessive burning of coal during its rapid growth had a cooling effect on the earth's temperature.
The new study, based on Fox News global warming skepticism, contradicts much of the anti-coal sentiments held by environmentalists. While it explains that burning coal does emit heat-trapping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, it also releases heat-reflecting sulfur into the atmosphere, and the two work to cancel each other's effects out.
This study comes after global warming skeptics questioned lead researcher Robert Kaufmann about the lack of global warming over the past decade. As Kaufmann explained to BBC News:
Two years ago, I gave a talk to a general audience in New Jersey about climate change.
And an older gentleman asked me 'why should I believe in this climate change - I was watching Fox News and they said the earth's temperature hasn't changed in 10 years and has actually gone down.'
At that stage I wasn't paying much attention to climate change - I'd returned to working on oil markets - so I went back and checked the data and found that was just about right.
As it turns out, China, which climate alarmists have long blamed as a major and unregulated contributor to global warming, may surprisingly be responsible for keeping the earth at cooler temperatures over the last decade due to its emission of sulfur into the atmosphere.
Because of other indications that sulfur emissions are bad for the environment, though (it is a major contributor to acid rain), environmentalists pressured China to enact regulations to scrub sulfur from coal-fired boilers to prevent its release into the atmosphere. Without the counterweight of sulfur, the unbalanced release of carbon dioxide may indeed have the exact effect environmentalists seek to prevent.
There have been similar periods of global temperature plateaus in the past during times of industrialization. Piers Forster, a climate professor at Leeds University in England, explained the phenomenon to BBC.
The masking of CO2-induced global warming by short term sulfur emissions is well known - it's believed that the flattening off of global mean temperatures in the 1950s was due to European and US coal burning, and just such a mechanism could be operating today from Chinese coal.
Environmentalists like Forster argue that as soon as the sulfur emission masks are removed, warming continues in an upwards direction.
Ironically, just two weeks ago, global warming fear monger Al Gore praised the idea of population control, most famously used in China, as a means to curb pollution. Now it looks like Gore can praise China for a different reason: their coal-powered industrial growth preventing global warming since 1998.
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OK....
Submitted by Morganfrost on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:25pm.
So, if the earth isn't actually warming, it may possibly be cooling. Either way, we can safely conclude that: 1) this is bad; 2) someone is to blame; and 3) massive imposition of socialism on everyone will fix the problem.
Also, by "fix the problem," presumably, we mean to stop the earth from getting warmer (if that's what it's doing) or to stop it from getting any cooler (if that's what it's doing). From this, we may also deduce that, since we wish to prevent the earth from changing temparatures, at the present, the earth must be at the perfect temperature.
To the extent that mankind's actions have had an effect on the climate (and this, we are assured, is beyond cavil), then we may also conclude that mankind is responsible for having caused the earth's climate (which has fluctuated dramatically over the last few billion years) to reach its current state of perfection, and that it has done so, in large part, through carbon emissions.
So, remind me again, what problem are we trying to solve??
simple.....
Submitted by notinstl on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:46pm.
the problem is that the socialists/elitists have not yet gotten complete control of us and our economy....so they must continue this BS until they do.
Doh!!!!
Submitted by jessieH on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:28pm.
Homer Simpson makes more sense than these fools that call themselves scientists. Even cooking the numbers in their favor, they still got it wrong.
For Pete's sake!
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:29pm.
You warmers/changers/coolers need to get some counseling because you all are way out there in left field, pardon the pun!
Geemanychristmas get a grip on reality!
So let me se if I can get this convoluted theory straight. China owes our debt but now they own our climate too?
Lets follow China's lead, and remove all flue scrubbers, NOW
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:29pm.
Dump the EPA...
A chicken in every pot, and a backyard incinerator in every yard.
Remember burning eyes and throats will cool the planet.
You Didn't Build That.
Aubrey Vaughn
Submitted by Zombie Brains on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:31pm.
Based on the information provided in this article are we now acknowledging that global warming is real? If China is being credited with countering global warming with their own air pollutants, it must be agreed that the CO2 dumped into the atmosphere caused climate change from the start.
One point I'd like to add is that injecting sulfates into the atmosphere can cause more depletion of the ozone layer. Should this continue CO2 in the atmosphere will be the least of our troubles.
Zombie, I'm afraid we're
Submitted by ThisnThat on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:42pm.
Zombie, I'm afraid we're going to go to war over this. Our Global Warming counter-technology against their Global Cooling weapons. Outcome will be uncertain, but it'll be a helluva front line, I'm sure.
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Yoo hoo, Mr. Brain:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:44pm.
Why don't you finish up here first before moving on to another thread? I believe you owe Mr. Restless an apology for saying he was full of baloney.
Thank you, Deddy
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:51pm.
Ozone?
That's really old alarmism.
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Deddy? You're welcome I guess
Submitted by Zombie Brains on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 5:01pm.
Why bother learning something?
Wha? Who? Me?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 5:08pm.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
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Endearing
Submitted by Zombie Brains on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 5:18pm.
But laugh away knowing you know nothing.
Sharpen those claws, Deddy
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 5:25pm.
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Posters here are laughing,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 6:55pm.
but they are laughing at you, dork.
At YOU, fool with the brain of a zombie.
MD
ZB, Go ahead and ban Volcanoes.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 5:53pm.
Injecting Sulfate Particles into Stratosphere Could Have Drastic Impact on Earth's Ozone Layer
Blame it on this:
Chemtrails....Could Have blah blah blah
http://www.thetruthsource.org/wake-up/stratospheric-aerosol-geoengineeri...
Finally we now know why we are all being charged extra for checked bags.
You Didn't Build That.
What about freon?
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 9:04pm.
20 years ago it was the freon that was eating away the Ozone. Now you're telling us it's sulfates. What will it be 20 years from now, methane, Neon, anti-matter?
Do you really know what is "eating away" the ozone? Ultraviolet light and high energy elections, just as the have been for billions of years. But, hay, guess what? The ozone layer replenish itself naturally! Just as it has for billions of years. You see, most of earth's Ozone is created during a lightning strike. Those strikes occur about a 10,000 times a day, every day, 365 days a year, just as they have for billions of years. That creates a LOT of Ozone, every single day. Let me repeat that: every single day.
Also, do you know why those "holes" in the ozone layers are there and why they change shape and size over time? Ozone mimics the characteristics of the Earth's magnetic field, which changes shape and size over time. There's a very good reason for that.
Ozone, being an ionized form of plain old oxygen, is a electrically charged molecule, It carries a magnetic field. That's why they tend to travel high into the upper stratosphere, because the earth's magnetic field is lifting them up and out along the earth's magnetic lines of force at the North Pole. Between the two poles, ozone travels parallel to the surface, just like how the lines of force move. Where the earth's magnetic field dips back down to Earth, the Ozone is pushed down and away, at the South Pole where the magnetic field reenters the atmosphere, just like the lines of force do. Although the earth's magnetic field doesn't line up perfect with it's axis of rotation (it's about 10 degrees off in the northern hemisphere), the ozone, being that it is a gas and is affect by the earths rotation, tends to center it's mass at the axis of rotation. So, volia, there''s a "hole" at the South pole!
That's what most people don't understand (especially some of those so-called "scientists," who can't seem to remember their high school science classes. That's where I learned about ionization, magnetism, and the dynamics of large, rotating masses.): The ozone isn't being "depleted" in that hole, the earth's own magnetic field is moving those ozone molecules somewhere else. Now, how is that the fault of Freon, or sulphates, or anything else for that matter? And just what do you think we could do to effect it one way or another? We can't change the properties of the earth's magnetic field, you know.
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Going with the "Ignorance is Bliss" Argument?
Submitted by Zombie Brains on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 9:44am.
Well, allow me to retort.
Solving one problem by creating another
Who's the one who's ignorant?
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 11:38am.
Who's the one who's ignorant? Is it me, who can think for myself and develop a perfectly reasonable theory, or you, who can only seem to use other people's theories and claims?
Here's an idea, stop letting other people do your thinking for you.
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Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Still you
Submitted by Zombie Brains on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 12:23pm.
I provided a link detailing scientists' concerns over the artificial injection of sulfates into earth's atmosphere. Did you read it? Which parts do you disagree with?
ZoimbieBrains: Another Einstein wannabe
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 11:07pm.
Well, hay, forgive me if I seem unconcerned about the "artificial injection" of sulphates into the upper stratosphere and the damage it may, or may not, cause to the Ozone, something that is merely theorized and has not actually occurred. I guess I'm just to ignorant, right?
Here's some the parts I disagree with:
1 that Sulphates actually make it into the upper stratosphere. Those particles are highly reactive. They are also hydrophilic. They react quickly with atmospheric moisture. That means that they will never make it above the troposphere. Once released into the atmosphere, they will bond with the moisture, react with sunlight, and fall back to the earth in the form of sulfuric acid, as "acid rain." So just how are they supposed to make it all the way up to the Ozone layer, which resides at the fringes of our atmosphere?
2. that sulphates have a degenerative effect on the Ozone layer. there is not enough sulphates lose in the atmosphere that would "damage" the Ozone layer in any meaningful amount. There's just far to much Ozone and far to little sulphates. You could burn all of the high sulfur coal on earth and the Ozone will remain as it is.
Buy, hay, I'm just some ignorant hack, right? So why do you even care about my thoughts and ideas on this subject. YOU read it in a newspaper, so it must be true, correct?
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Cobra*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 11:13pm.
The premise for the global warming scam has been that the earth has been "warming" since 1998 right?
Maybe some folks should read article.
Love this website.
That's what they say
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 11:53pm.
That's what they say. It is interesting that every effect of global climate seems to have a human cause, doesn't it? That nature isn't nature any more. All that in less than 30 years!
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VERY interesting website
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 11:58pm.
That's a VERY interesting website. I especially like the comments.
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They're making this crap up
Submitted by North Wind on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:36pm.
They're making this crap up as the goes along, aren't they?
Just remember that the real
Submitted by Hunter12 on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 7:12pm.
Just remember that the real solution to Global Warming is letting Al Gore add 50% to all energy bills and then take 20% of the new total. The problem will be cleared up in no time. Don't forget that Newt climbed onto the AGW bandwagon about 5 years ago. Don't vote for any A$$ Clown stupid enough or greedy enough to hype this BS.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
"Every generation will have its snake oil salesmen."
Submitted by Red Jeep on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 11:13pm.
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I'm prepared for everything
Submitted by ThisnThat on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:38pm.
I've got my wool coat, gloves, boots, and extra layers of clothing for today's Global Cooling crisis. Along with my polar-bear hunting gun, because now I'm sure those critters are going to be heading south right towards my house.
I also have my tank top, cutoffs, and flip-flops standing by if tomorrow's report shows any warming.
The problem is -- what do I do with my carbon credits? Do I use them to reduce or increase the carbon? I think they're interchangeable, but I want to be sure. AND -- what do I do with the tree? Do I plant it -- or burn it in the woodstove? Another confusing point. I obviously need guidance on my next step. Anyone got Al Gore's phone number?
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Credit trading
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 8:41pm.
Hay, I got an idea: start a sulfur credit trading corporation! People can trade carbon credits for sulfur credits (would that be a carbon debit?). Plus addition handling fees, of course.
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TnT
Submitted by Model850 on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 4:51pm.
Al Gore's phone number:
1-800-SCAM-MAN
You're welcome.
it must be really frustrating...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 4:49pm.
...when all of their climate models point one direction and all of the data points in the other.
Burning coal reduces global
Submitted by ex buff e-dub on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 5:33pm.
Burning coal reduces global warming! I can assuage my guilt for my 4th of July barbecue! Hizzah!
Let's get crack-a-lackin in West Virginia and Pennsylvania! No need to worry about "clean coal" or low sulfur coal anymore!
Anthracite over anthropomorphic !
Yeah, let's take down some mountains!
Submitted by Red Jeep on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 11:18pm.
Open pit mining, baby!
I wonder which freedoms and liberties the global government...
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 5:37pm.
...commies are going to insist that we here in America must surrender in order to "fix" this "problem," and how much money are we going to have to cough up to put into some obscure UN "fund" to "help" as well?
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave, I do believe
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 10:55pm.
the UN, those upstanding guardians of all females(ask any female anywhere on the continent of Africa) said that it will require about $73 Trillion. From the developed nations(United States) of the world.
UN,
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 11:23pm.
I bet those Marxist African potentates with Swiss bank accounts (which is pretty much all of them) are just salivating with the prospect of still more massive deposits courtesy of the US.
As if money given to the UN ends up anywhere else.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Could it be that the UN
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 11:33pm.
would change, they'd do it for the children? And I say that with all the sarcasm I can muster. The next Republican President better padlock the asylum on the Hudson, and boot their despotic rear ends to Switzerland, or Swaziland. Unless the R's take over the Senate and do it in '12.
Doubleplusungood
Submitted by xyzzypoofs on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 6:16pm.
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
So, wat are they telling us?
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 9:00pm.
So, what are they telling us? That, in order to to go green, you need to go sulpur yellow?
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I prefer to follow sun spot
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 9:01pm.
I prefer to follow sun spot science when it comes to climate. The sun is by far the largest driver of temperature on our planet. Why am I to assume the sun produces a constant temperature year after year, decade after decade, and century after century? What people do on earth may make a small dent but it is puny in relation to what the sun does.
Sun spot activity has been low this past decade and temperatures have gone down. And now as scientists are expecting to see sunspot activity pick up, they are instead seeing it go dormant. If this is true we should continue to see a cooling trend in the next decade or two.
It takes a long time to warm and cool earth's oceans so a cooling trend can take a while before we start to see the effects in the oceans.
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Submitted by ThisnThat on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 9:32pm.
How could anyone believe the sun makes a difference? Wake up at 54 degrees -- drive home at 92 degrees -- can't be the sun, could it? It's probably Dave's or Blonde's BBQ, instead!
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TnT, It can't be J's grill that is doing it
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 10:01pm.
As she takes the sophisticated and polite approach.
LOL - I take the in-your-face, scorched Earth approach.
Unless it's big cuts, then it's low and slow.
Sides, J has something on her grill I don't have on any of mine.
That would be knobs.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Knobs, no knobs.....it's all good
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 12:40pm.
Besides, my gas grill is the PERFECT venue for making delicious pizza...it keeps a perfect temperature (if I can keep the guys from messing with MY knobs, ahem).
I'm pleased to do my part to contribute to the end of global warming in any small way I can...grills, air conditioning, hot dogs, potatos....whatever!
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Oh, Dear!
Submitted by needle on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 9:46pm.
And to think China was so much the darling back just 14 years ago when the PC zombies ruled that China was exempt from any responsibility for “Global Warming” in the Kyoto agreement.
Now the PC zombies’ pendulum has swung. Oh dear! Will China kowtow to this scientific fantasy? Or will China tell the PC zombies what they can do with their fraudulent nonsense? I am betting on the latter, and look forward to further developments.
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
All this magical thinking by
Submitted by amyshulk on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 12:21am.
All this magical thinking by "scientists/alarmists" my poor head is spinning!!!
Ronald Reagan
Stratospheric transparency
Submitted by deadeyedan on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 2:15am.
It's easy to surmise when the atmosphere has sunlight-depleting aerosols. Just examine the characteristics of total lunar eclipses during any period of time. When there's been titanic volcanic eruptions, such as Agung in 1963 and Pinatubo in 1991, the ensuing eclipses were particularly dark.
But lately lunar eclipses have portrayed a relatively clear terrestrial atmosphere owing to their bright colors and have high counts on the Danjon scale, proving that China is not "guilty" of putting out significant quantities of offensive, filtering sulphuric aerosols.
The recent (in the last four years) drop in solar activity has been somewhat offset by this effect, so if transparency was at more normal levels the recent harsh winters would have been even colder. Watch out when there's a major eruption during quiescent sun.
Notice this is nature at work - we have nothing to do with it.
ClimateGate - the revelation that the pseudo-scientists at East Anglia University know just as much about the atmosphere as Harvard law professors know about the Constitution - deadeyedan
China is Smart, they knew all along that burning dirty coal
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 3:20am.
would save the planet...
Now then, can we borrow a trillion bucks, hurry up please, before the temperature starts falling too much.
You Didn't Build That.
We have to blame somebody
Submitted by CrazyHungarian on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 8:09am.
I have visions of Chicken Little running around and desperately screaming that it's all our fault that the sky is falling, or raining, or not raining, or snowing, or not snowing...or whatever.
Seriously, all those that are totally convinced that man controls the climate should just walk outside at noon with a thermometer and do the same at 4 AM and then explain to me how the sun is not the real regulator of our environment when the removal of regulating sunshine for only as long as 12 hours causes a world-wide drop of 20 degrees F.
I thought the "science was
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 1:12pm.
I thought the "science was settled"? So how could the findings of a study and their implications change in less than a week? Why it's almost as if this wasn't really science but a politico-religious ideology masquerading as science.
Wingz, you aren't
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 10:59pm.
supposed to ask inconvenient questions of "inconvenient truths". And, yeah, it certainly does appear to be a politico-quasi religious ideology trying to imitate a science.