'Cars 2' Takes Hard Left Turn Pushing Alternative Energy
By Aubrey Vaughan | June 22, 2011 | 15:02
Debuting in theaters this Friday, the seemingly innocuous Disney-Pixar film 'Cars 2' has become a tool to wedge a fight against fossil fuels in favor of alternative forms of energy.
When John Lasseter moved from executive producer to executive director last year, he overhauled major portions of the plot into a good vs. evil story against big oil.
In an interview with Wall Street Journal's Ethan Smith, "Cars 2" director John Lasseter explains his transformation of the film into a story about the "bad guys" of big oil.
We revamped the whole story, the whole bad-guy arc. To me, there always needs to be a logic to our movies. No matter what subject matter it is, they have to be logical for the world we’re creating. I kept thinking about, “OK. A spy movie in the world where cars are alive. What would be a really good kind of über bad guy? Who is an über bad guy?” I kept going to big oil. This is before what happened in the Gulf of Mexico.
Why isn’t alternative fuel more… Why isn’t everybody jumping on that bandwagon? It makes so much sense: Electricity, solar, whatever. There’s ethanol. There’s all this stuff you could be doing. And so I thought, well, that could be really cool in that you could have big oil versus alternative fuel. That’s when we kind of crafted the bad guy’s story.
The greatest bad guys, you understand where they’re coming from. They believe they’re doing the right thing. Sometimes it’s for greed, sometimes it’s for other reasons, but they are what they call the center of good. They always believe they’re doing the right thing.
The movie's trailer even says "On their next big road trip, they're not only racing across the world, they're racing to save the world."
Lightning McQueen, the race car star of "Cars," goes on a worldwide Grand Prix tour, sponsored by a new green fuel called Allinol. Allinol is produced by a character named Sir Miles Axlerod, described by Disney-Pixar's website as an environmental champion:
Sir Miles Axlerod is a former oil baron who has sold off his fortune, converted himself into an electric vehicle and has devoted his life to finding the renewable, clean-burning energy source of the future—ultimately discovering what he believes is the fuel everyone should be using. Axlerod is also the car behind the World Grand Prix, a three-country race he created that attracts the world’s top athletes—but it’s really an excuse to show off his new wonder-fuel, Allinol.
As Lasseter explains, "With 'An Inconvenient Truth' and alternative fuels and all the things going on, I kept thinking, well, in their world, it could be neat to have sort of big oil vs. alternative fuel. It makes logical sense for a world where cars are alive."
If you can't quell your kids' begging to see it this weekend, though, just remember to drive your SUV to the movies.
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Well I will Drive my truck
Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:15pm.
And I will make sure that I run the A/C with the windows down!
Why not?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:22pm.
I drive with the top down and the a/c on in my Thunderbird.
Also during the winter with the heater on (and the seat heaters). It's fun!
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Winter?
Submitted by mandrake on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 7:30am.
You do live in Florida right?
→ Blonde
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 12:04am.
I hope you're implying your car is a convertible. On second thought . . .
One thing that is rather odd
Submitted by Matthew Sheffield on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:14pm.
about this extension of the franchise is that given the fact that the original characters are not hybrids, doesn't the crusade against "Big Oil" actually mean the destruction of the nice characters from the first film?
There is no film world logic to creating a "good guy" who wants to destroy the ability of gas cars to get the fuel they need. In fact, an alt-fuel pusher should be the "bad guy."
Actually looking forward to this show
Submitted by shawn. on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:18pm.
i liked Avatar as well, even with the liberal theme
Who does Lasseter think he's fooling?
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:26pm.
This is a cynical attempt to deflect criticism that Cars 2 is a purely merchandise driven sequel. "Hey, look! We've got a cliched and hamfisted green aesop crammed into our 2-hour toy commercial!"
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Darn it
Submitted by GW on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:29pm.
I was completely looking forward to showing this to my kids. Now I'll have to explain the whole thing about why ethanol is starving kids in 3rd world countries. Blast.
Yea me too, pure entertainment is dead, free lefty preaching !!!
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:46pm.
Allinol.... Crock fuel of the future ....green dreamland, is a wasteland....
My car choice .
O'bama 0% capital gains @4:58 and so much more.
I like your car choice
Submitted by GW on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 9:40am.
But I'm still banking that fusion will be the next revolutionary energy source.
I was going to take the
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:32pm.
I was going to take the grandkids this weekend. The oldest is 4 so I don't think I have to worry about the message. All they care about are the cars.
Amen
Submitted by CommanderTaya on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 6:32pm.
Already bought the tickets for a matinee tomorrow. My granddaughter (almost 5) can't sleep in anticipation. She could care less about the message just what Mater is up to! Nevertheless, I do remind her mother that this is Disney and they have an agenda. Be vigilant.
Cartoon Energy
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:39pm.
Do the producers really think that people, especially children, will take a cartoon, (no pun intended) seriously? Your "message" is already lost in the animation itself, kinda like the Transformers, or Nina Turtles. What you watching, Davey?
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Another fim I wont be watching!
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:47pm.
And "Big Follyweird" wonders why box office attendance is down? We dont give two sh*ts bout these lefty agendas-just make an entertaining movie for the whole family, thats all!
Any Eco message
Submitted by Tjexcite on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:52pm.
Any Eco message is void when the kids run to buy every piece of crud* that they can put a Cars logo on. They have put it on everything. From soap to toothbrushes all the way to board games like operation that you take parts out of mater. All made in China that comes to North America by a ship powered by oil and made in a factory that powered by dirty coal.
There needs to be a sub-definition of a hypocrite. Some one that makes money of a Eco message but also sells made in China that in two years would fill the landfills and last for 100 years.
"...ridiculed lazy human
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:53pm.
"...ridiculed lazy human beings."
Yes, because we all know lazy humans should be put on pedestals...
And this movie seems to be (seems) championing a win-win world where we don't have to rely on a fuel that will some day disappear. Of course it's hard to know exactly how the story plays out until you see the movie.
WHEN will it disappear?
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:25pm.
WEN will that fuel "disappear?" Every time someone makes a prediction, new sources are discovered and the predictions are proven wrong, again and again and again. The only claim that can be made realistically is "some day." Well, "someday" the Earth itself will "disappear" after our Sun expands into a Reg Giant and swallows it entirely. I guess then the fuel will really disappear.
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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
I think it makes sense to
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:31pm.
I think it makes sense to have some sort of game plan.
The Sun going supernova we know is a loooooong way off. And frankly there ain't a whole lot we'll be able to do about that.
But gas running out is something we could theoretically do something about, eg find alternative fuel sources. Sure, might be in 100 years, might be much longer, but I think it makes sense to work on it now.
Not really.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:57pm.
Don't you have to have something to run out of first?
There are ways of getting better gas mileage but making these crap cars like hybrids aren't the way to go because they are largely composed of toxic materials.(Hybrids are the CFLs of light bulbs) Same thing with gasoline, using ethanol which burns less efficiently than normal gasoline plus you got all these damn 40+ blends that have God-knows-what kind of additives put in(Remember MTBE?) when if you just make straight up gasoline with all out the crap, it'll be a lot safer all around.
Hydrocarbons are a problem, but they found a way to fix that, which was the Electronic Gas Re-circulation(EGR) assembly that they started putting in cars and especially trucks in the late 1990s. By improving engine technology, you can get better results. Hell, the EGR meant improved gas mileage in trucks where once the average F150 would be lucky to get 15 miles to a gallon going downhill coasting, now it can get 15-25 miles on the highway which is great. And there are trucks that can alternate between using 4 cylinders and 8 cylinders if you need the power. And you can STILL get cleaner emissions.
This nonsense about electric cars (battery boondoggle) or hybrids (what a joke) is just that, nonsense. So those need to be just plain stopped.
As for oil, there's going to be plenty of it for years to come. We can improve the existing things instread of coming up with cacamamie devices that should never have been built.
-Jon
Two things
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 6:47pm.
Don't worry, bal. The Sun cannot go supernova. As CobraMan correctly pointed out, the Sun will, a few billion years from now, swell into a red giant and extend past the orbit of Mars.
And as for alternative fuel - we have off the shelf technology that we can use right now that can massively free up natural gas, oil, and possibly even coal for use in the transportation sector. It is a 69 year old technology (as of December 2, 2011). But you and your fellow Leftists will SCREAM bloody murder against its being used in any way. I am, of course, speaking of nuclear energy.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I wasn't aware that
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:39pm.
I wasn't aware that nuclear-powered cars were being proposed?
Read
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:59pm.
Before going for smartassery, it would be best to read my post. This is why I reference to "freeing up" natural gas, oil, and even possibly coal.
If we were to have 80% of the country getting its power from nukes, this means less natural gas, oil and coal is being used to power buildings, factories, offices, and so on, thus they can be used more frequently for transportation.
Get it?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Actually I was being sincere.
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 8:10pm.
Actually I was being sincere. I thought you were just talking about transportation.
I don't mind the expanded use of nuclear power. Just...not real close to me. :-)
Just don't use the Chernobyl design
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 10:11pm.
I don't mind a nuclear facility close to me. Unless I hear that it is a graphite-modified model. At which point I am getting the hell out of there.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I'm sure we could just put
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 10:13pm.
I'm sure we could just put them all in North Dakota or the Arizona desert where we tested all those bombs.
Hmm....
Submitted by Unsane on Fri, 06/24/2011 - 7:43pm.
I don't think AZ ever saw a nuclear detonation. NV, on the other hand, has. As has NM at Trinity Site.
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Might want to stay off the coast
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 10:17pm.
If tidal waves are possible
Let's have a plan
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:31pm.
Good idea, balboa. Let's have the central government make plans for the economy. How about we make them every five years? Yea, that's the ticket. I can't see that ever failing. Sound familiar? Oh....... Hey, I bet your thinking: It failed in the Soviet Union, but it won't fail in the United States because we are so much smarter then them! Ignorance and vanity is a disastrous way to "plan" an economy.
Solutions will be discovered to solve the "oil" problem if prices ever get too high. That's how free markets and free market economics work. Subsidies and economic planning are so the people in power can give someone else's money to the people who keep them in power, or to themselves.
(And if you are going to come back with an argument that the government "subsidizes" oil companies, that's just a bunch of nonsense. Oil companies pay tons of taxes to the federal government. The feds jack up tax rates, and then trim the taxes back a bit so they can wield power and favors and proclaim that they are giving subsidies to "Big Oil" so they can have a boogey-man for liberals.)
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I'm talking about working to
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:37pm.
I'm talking about working to find an alternative to oil, and suddenly you jump to the Red Menace?
clarification
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 8:00pm.
You do realize that there's more to oil than just gasoline, right? We have it in our every day products and someone had posted a link that showed a huge list of those items.
If we stopped using oil, what are we going to make those products out of? Got any suggestions?
-Jon
I'm not saying stop use oil.
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 8:09pm.
I'm not saying stop use oil.
An aviation angle
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 8:04pm.
If you bothered looking at the history of aviation, you would see that the rising costs of oil have impacted the industry greatly.
This is part of the reason why you have 1200-1300 747s in the sky, and never had more than, say, 16 Concordes. And the rising cost of oil is the reason why two engined aircraft with advanced engine technology like the 767 and 777 (and soon the 787) are doing long haul routes like, say, Dallas to Frankfurt and the like.
People are not only looking to find alternatives to oil in the private sector, but in the meantime, people constantly work to use less. All due to the markets, not central planning.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I don't think I ever
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 8:08pm.
I don't think I ever suggested that the government should spearhead this effort.
Hmmmmm...
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 9:00pm.
Suggesting that we "have a game plan now" looked to me as if you were suggesting the government do this. I am not aware of very many companies that look out as far as 100 years into the future.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
That makes sense, but I was
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 9:02pm.
That makes sense, but I was thinking "us" as a society. I think the chances for a breakthrough are more likely to happen in a private company, where people know they'll make oodles of dough.
Alternatives will happen
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 9:33pm.
Alternatives will happen when it makes economic sense. That's how free market economics work. There are plenty of entrepeneurs looking for alternatives to oil and how to make those alternatives economically feasible.
If you mean "us" as a society, looking for alternatives to oil, it's already happening. Government can't pick the winners, though. Only market economics will dictate what replaces oil, if anything.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
If real world economic law applied in Cars 2
Submitted by nkviking75 on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:02pm.
Sir Miles Axlerod is a former oil baron who has sold off his fortune, converted himself into an electric vehicle and has devoted his life to finding the renewable, clean-burning energy source of the future—ultimately discovering what he believes is the fuel everyone should be using.
If the laws of economics applied in this fantasy world, Axelrod wouldn't "sell off" his fortune (how do you do that?), he'd use it to develop Allinol. Then one of two things would happen. He'd either get rich off his new invention, or he'd lose his fenders because the product would be a failure.
Must everything be used to indoctrinate kids?
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I don't care, the real culprit are those who will not drill
Submitted by Funbowhunter on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:05pm.
And who would not drill in the North Slope until Palin threatened to pull their leases? Environmental groups or Exxon? What happened to the price at the pump just with the news they were finally going to drill after refusing to do so for 15 years?
WE ARE PAYING EXORBITANTLY HIGH PRICES RIGHT NOW, AND YOU CAN BLAME WASHINGTON IF YOU LIKE, BUT THE BIG OIL COMPANIES ARE RAKING IN THE PROFITS WITH IT THE WAY IT IS. I am sure they are saying, "Please let us drill so we won't make all this profit!" And before you go to how much taxes they pay, it is misleading, THEY COLLECT THOSE TAXES AT THE PUMP FROM US AND THEY GET TO WRITE THEM OFF even though it is us they are collecting them from and sending to local, state and national coffers, just like those taxes you pay at a grocery store on taxable items, at least the store is honest and lists those taxes at the end of your bill.
Ingratitude
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 6:52pm.
Sometimes I wish the people who own the evil "Big Oil" companies you and so many other Americans hate so deeply and passionately (all of you being nothing but ingrates) would just burn what they took out of the ground, lay everyone off, and destroy everything they have, to include oil rigs, pipelines, tankers, refineries - EVERYTHING - and then just walk up to you and the rest of the ingrates and say the following:
"HERE. YOU DO IT."
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
wake up
Submitted by Funbowhunter on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:28pm.
Those companies OWN their own oil fields in countries that do not overtax or over-regulate, sell it on the open market and ship it in company owned ships and truck it on company owned trucks. They WILL not pump it here to create jobs, they have colluded with state governments to make it virtually impossible for independents to survive due to the price fixing (ever noticed there is not much difference in the prices in a given geographical area BY LAW? So if an independent did pump their own oil and refine it and sell it for a profit yet it be 35 cents less than the big boys, they can't do it since there is the price fixing. So, before you have them burn all that oil, you better know what you are talking about. you lemming liberal.
For our new Conspiro
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 8:09pm.
I see. You are a Conspiro.
My experience with your hated oil industry in this state is quite different. Bottom line is that you think the oil companies must be forced live to kiss your ass. They do not. They exist to make a profit. The end. And since I don't like paying high gas prices, I park my truck and walk everywhere in my town, which I can do quite easily.
And sorry, I'm not a liberal. You must be new here. I'm a staunch conservative, and if you don't believe that, you have five years of evidence to sift through, my Conspiro friend. Good day.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Not sure what the price fixing
Submitted by Rukus on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 11:15pm.
thing he's talking about Uns. Just checked Gas Buddy and just in my area prices range from 3.20 to 3.60 for regular. All big company's (Shell, Conoco, BP, Texaco, Exxon...), prices all over the place. Don't sound like price fixing to me.
I don't get it either
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 6:57pm.
Yeah, I can't understand why people around here are willing to pay $3.50+ for gas when you can go to some places and get it for $3.43-$3.45.
He's just a Conspiro who is enraged at oil companies for not bowing down and kissing his ass every single day. Their crime? Producing a product at market prices...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Doesn't matter what he does.
Submitted by ParalegalGoddess on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:14pm.
Doesn't matter what he does. John Lassetter creates really good movies for kids, makes box office gold, laughs all the way to the bank, carrying his oscar with him. I still like his product and I WISH that I could have his job and/or work for Pixar.
Sorry - I don't give a crap about the message in the movie. every movie has to have a plot. I doubt my two and four year old will ask me to get rid of my Toyota Highlander after seeing this movie.
Sponge
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 8:11pm.
And here, ladies and gentleman, is what I like to call a "sponge".
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Logic...
Submitted by Maestroh on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:20pm.
A logic to our movies? A movie that features a talking car? Did he do so much dope he thinks cars talk? We've all seen how "logical" movies like Avatar are - not at all.
Logic...
Submitted by Maestroh on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:20pm.
A logic to our movies? A movie that features a talking car? Did he do so much dope he thinks cars talk? We've all seen how "logical" movies like Avatar are - not at all.
Maestroh
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 4:43pm.
You're obviously not a big fan of sci-fi or fantasy, are you?
These lefties push alternate
Submitted by ForeverOnTheRight on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 5:45pm.
These lefties push alternate energy sources that are not viable and they want us to transition to what alternatives their are right now. These idiots don't consider the unintended consequences! We need viable and affordable alternatives before we make a transition. Drill now drill often, keep the oil flowing until we have a viable alternative!
"These idiots don't consider the unintended consequences!"
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 6:54pm.
Actually, I think they do, as I don't think the consequences are as unintended as we would like to think.
-Dave
Hollywood/Liberals are the ones starving children, not GOP
Submitted by Slyrr on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 6:39pm.
'Duuuuuh, why for we not do Ethanol? Me not know!'
That's right, hollywood. You DON'T know. You know nothing. The truth is, your precious 'alternative fuel' idea (Ethanol) turned into a massive disaster that has raised food prices globally and sent poor nations to the brink of starvation.
The truth is - YOU are the ones 'starving children' by robbing them of their food. You have literally stolen food out of the mouths of hungry children across the globe, pushing your damnably foolish 'eco' drivel.
If you could pull your heads out from your nether regions long enough to draw a breath of air, you'd see that the monsters you are railing against are none other than yourselves.
Fossil Fuel
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:41pm.
For anyone who believes that carbon based fuels, such as coal, oil and natural gas, came from fossilized plants and animals: Just how do you explain Titan, where it rains methane!
Is oil a fossil fuel?
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My first reaction was to shoot back
Submitted by GW on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 9:55am.
with a comment about how methane is a simple hydrocarbon (1 carbon atom), but then I read your link. Lo and behold, I learned something. Thanks for sharing.
Larry the Cable Guy
Submitted by ctophfranko on Wed, 06/22/2011 - 9:13pm.
As somebody who takes his political cues from a cartoon film that stars Larry the Cable Guy, I am outraged that they would try to use their influence to make us less dependent on evil oil. even though electric cars still largely use oil to power up
Why can't they leave kids (of
Submitted by Chris Norman on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 1:11am.
Why can't they leave kids (of all ages) the hell alone and just entertain them? Do we have to constantly be propagandized and indoctrinated?
Anyone remember Captain
Submitted by okie-pastor on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 1:31am.
Anyone remember Captain Planet?? Has anyone's world view been changed from having watched it ?
It's disappointing Disney/pixar are going this direction. : (
Looks like Conan O'Brien
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 10:23pm.
Looks like Conan O'Brien agrees that liberal propaganda is being spread in Cars 2:
http://teamcoco.com/video/cars-2-propaganda
Well, There's Always Transformers...
Submitted by TheReal7Sticks on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 11:59pm.
I've always felt Cars was the weakest of the Pixar movies anyway. At least I can look forward to the next Transformers movie because they usually treat the US Military very well in appearance. Plus, I just have a thing for cliff jumpers in glider suits gliding through the skyscrapers in Chicago.
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surely this one is a great
Submitted by TheGeek on Mon, 10/03/2011 - 10:41pm.
surely this one is a great movie, alot of auto repair and car racing.. and cool design of cars
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spiced pork and ham I say!
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LOL!
Submitted by Rukus on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 3:08pm.
There seems to be some kind of waiting period before spammers can hit a blog/forum, usually, ahem, alaphiah, where was I? Oh yeah, alot of it can be found on really old blogs/forums. Spiced pork and ham indeed, love it! : )