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By Alex Fitzsimmons | June 01, 2011 | 13:11

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Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) made a blatantly inaccurate statement on the "Daily Rundown" this morning that MSNBC anchor Chuck Todd should have, but failed to, call the House minority whip out on.

"We went from a $5.6 trillion surplus that George Bush inherited to over a $11-plus trillion debt when George Bush left office," asserted Hoyer.

Explaining why he voted against the House Republican bill to raise the debt limit without cutting spending – a position both he and President Barack Obama have advocated for months – Hoyer promised to vote against any measure to extend the borrowing limit that blamed the nation's fiscal problems on the sitting president, instead of his Republican predecessor.

Hoyer emphasized the "factual standpoint" on which he based his vote, yet Todd neglected to question his guest's egregious fallacy.

Instead, Todd just joked with the Maryland congressman about business as usual in the District: "Knowing this town, it's probably going to take until July 31st or August 1st. Procrastination is, I think the word was, invented, here in Washington, DC."

For the record, President Bill Clinton did not hand over a $5.6 trillion surplus to President George W. Bush. In fact, not only was the national debt more than $5.8 trillion when Bush took office, according to Treasury Department figures, but the largest budget surplus the 42nd president ever amassed was $236 billion in FY 2000. Bush inherited nowhere near $5.6 trillion in surpluses when Clinton left office.

While $236 billion is nothing to scoff at, it is not even in the ballpark of Hoyer's claim. Considering how central those fatuous figures were to Hoyer's vote, the NBC News political director should have recognized and corrected such a gaping discrepancy.

A transcript of the relevant portions of the segment can be found below:

MSNBC
The Daily Rundown
June 1, 2011

9:47 a.m. EDT

CHUCK TODD: Big news we've been talking about all morning of course is this debate over the debt. House Republicans voted down their own bill yesterday that would have raised the nation's borrowing limit with no strings attached, something the president asked for six months ago. Democrats were split on the measure, although many saw it as a political stunt. A clean borrowing bill is though what some in the caucus were calling for some time. Congressman Steny Hoyer is the House Minority Whip. Congressman, I have to ask: you got the bill that the president asked for three months ago. Now I know it was under theatrical circumstances. But if this is what you wanted why not have whipped it and said you know what, fine, this is the thing we said we should do and we're going to stick to our guns on this issue?

Rep. STENY HOYER (D-Md.): Well everyone realized it was a political gotcha game. In fact, it wasn't clean. In fact, it's premise was we have this debt because of President Obama's policies. That's simply not true. The world knows it's not true. The Republicans know it's not true. We went from a $5.6 trillion surplus that George Bush inherited to over a $11-plus-trillion debt when George Bush left office. So to say it is Obama's debt and that the debt limit needs to be extended because of Obama is simply not true. So from a factual standpoint it wasn't a clean debt limit extension. But everybody knows – every Republican leader knows, every Democratic leader knows – in both the House and the Senate, and most of America knows, that the debt limit needs to be extended to pay the bills we've already incurred. To that extent, it was political theater. It was interesting, on the front page of the Washington Post today, there was not a mention of that vote. Yesterday was frankly a waste of America's time, a waste of the Congress's time, but it perhaps gives some political cover to Republicans who say they're not going to vote to extend the debt limit, notwithstanding the fact that John Boehner says it's the adult thing to do and others have said it would be catastrophic if we didn't. The other thing –

TODD: I was just going to ask, though. Let me ask you this: what is a deal going to look like? We know there's going to be a deal, everyone agrees there's going to be a deal. Knowing this town, it's probably going to take until July 31st or August 1st. Procrastination is, I think the word was, invented, here in Washington, DC. That said, is the deal – do you expect the deal to be totally done, or one of these we agree there's going to be triggers, but we'll decide what the split is on spending cuts to tax increases after the 2012 elections?

–Alex Fitzsimmons is a News Analysis intern at the Media Research Center. Click here to follow him on Twitter.

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It was mostly smoke and mirrors propped up . . .

Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 1:18pm.

. . . by overly optimistic dot-com frenzy. It was already being undermined by Clinton's Everyone-Owns-A-House policy.

Hoyer and the rest of the economics-deficient Fools on the Hill are great at throwing around meaningless numbers.

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Democrats seem to live in

Submitted by kg on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 5:12pm.

Democrats seem to live in some fantasy land.

 

"DumbAssity of Dope"

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They seem to forget

Submitted by octavioj on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 6:01pm.

Galvanic,

they seem to conveniently forget that the dot-com frenzy for a very short while sent government revenues up. So the budget surplus was indeed smoke and mirrors as that revenue level could never be sustained over the long run.

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Billions and Trillions...

Submitted by shooter on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 1:21pm.

Democrats depend on the collective "brain dead" state of most of the electorate so they can spout these kinds of lies without being questioned or challenged.

Liberal/Socialist/Marxist/Leninist/Communist Democrats have truly "wakened a sleeping giant" with the continued BS and we are NOT going to take it anymore.

I really really can't stand the lies and the sycophant enablers in the MSM.

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"An armed society is a polite society" -- Robert A. Heinlein

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obamas' defeat will be sweet

Submitted by gAMEoVER on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 1:20pm.

Chuck and steny. Two dumbass's.

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Chuck Todd = Harry Smith

Submitted by Texndoc on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 2:07pm.

Harry just sat there and let Wasserman-Shultz spill BS as well.

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The true believers are

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 2:25pm.

The true believers are spouting all sorts of nonsense.

Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark
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No Whopper Too Big

Submitted by HardRightTurn on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 2:24pm.

The US Treasury was issuing T-Bills at the same time to finance federal government debt. Explain that one to me, Demogoguer extrodinaire.

To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html

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This is bad for the Republic

Submitted by NL207 on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 2:45pm.

These lies are widely believed especially amongst young and I might add, naive, voters. We must work hard to make the facts known.

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Math for Dummies by Steny Hoyer

Submitted by iamsaved on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 2:46pm.

I wonder how many union members are sitting around the bar quoting Steny Hoyer's statement as fact. And let's not forget Debbie Wasserman - she's probably already incorporated these figures into her next talking points session before the cameras.

iamsaved "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left," (Ecclesiastes 10:2) MSM Journalism - "a profession consisting of idealogues espousing their beliefs regardless of facts and/or truth."
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Make it up!

Submitted by Richard.Halavais on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 4:51pm.

If a liberal doesn't know some fact or doesn't like a fact they just make up a new one. After all, in school, they were taught that 2+2=5 or whatever other number that makes then feel good. Life's all about making them feel good, just ask any teacher in today's world. I've got an idea. The next time you need gas in the car just feel like you filled it up. No actual real gas just the feeling you filled up. Then see how far you get. Think how much better off the rest of us will be with all those libs stuck along the side of the road.

Richard Halavais
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Sound like my child.

Submitted by Lamdog on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 5:12pm.

Crazy Dems sound like my children, when younger and would conceive the greatest fairy tales.

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CAUTION: Lying Politician Ahead!

Submitted by locomotivebreath1901 on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 5:13pm.

Or is that redundant?

And that SUCK UP FOOL for MSNBC Chuck Todd just let the lie slide on by without ever calling out the lying politician.

But I guess MSNBC's 13 or so regular viewers simply don't care.

http://locomotivebreath1901.blogspot.com
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Bush spent like a Democrat.

Submitted by deerjerkydave on Wed, 06/01/2011 - 8:03pm.

Bush spent like a Democrat. That's why Republicans lost the House, Senate and White House.

Obama spends like a Socialist. That's why conservatives won the House and will win the Senate and White House next year.

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Bush????

Submitted by NL207 on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 3:48pm.

And you do not think the Republicans in the Congress shared any of this blame?

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re: inherited $5.6T surplus?

Submitted by DrJackRyan on Thu, 06/02/2011 - 2:47pm.

You are correct Mr.Fitzsimmons.

Anyway, back to my commentary. $5.6T surplus? What liberal nonsense. One only has to go to the source: Bureau of Public Debt.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/ then scroll down toward the center of the page an click on “See US Public Debt to the Penny” or http://www.treasurydirect.gov/ then click on “Debt to the Penny”.

All you need is Excel or other spreadsheet software to calculate and is quite simple. It has been compile here on this blog. This data is public information.

http://thedauntlessconservative.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/there-was-no-cl...

As can be seen above, There was NO SURPLUS. There was a $5.8T Total Public Debt outstanding balance at the end of Bubba Clinton last fiscal year.

During the Bush years, the Total Public Debt Outstanding went from the $5.8T to $11.9T. Not a good thing, however, obamarx and company is outspending the W years at a much faster clip than the W administration ever did as seen here:

http://thedauntlessconservative.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/obamas-spending...

All of this data from the blog comes straight from the Bureau of Public Debt, therefore there is no spin or lies, at least we hope.

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What?!?!?! I thought that

Submitted by talkradio55 on Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:25pm.

What?!?!?! I thought that Dick Martin had passed away.

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress." - Mark Twain.
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