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'Death Cloud' Could Kill Millions of Americans Who Live in Oil Refinery 'Kill Zones,' ABC Frets

By Alex Fitzsimmons | February 25, 2011 | 17:03

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What do oil refineries and rental cars have in common? They will probably kill you, at least according to ABC's Brian Ross.

Ross is either bored with his job or just doesn't seem to care about frightening his viewers with exaggerated reports. But either way, ABC's chief investigative correspondent is breathing new life into the term yellow journalism.

Those who are familiar with Ross's work might notice an emerging pattern of sensationalism. The latest case studies concern oil refineries in Texas, which Ross's colleague described as the "toxic threat next door," and rental cars, which Ross himself cautioned are like "a consumer's version of Russian roulette."

The former report, appearing on the February 24 "Nightline," focused on a CITGO oil refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas that uses hydrofluoric acid in the refining process. This chemical, Ross warned, has made "fear" a "fact of life" for residents of the local community.

An apocalyptic Ross foretold the end times: "An unchecked release of the hydrofluoric acid, as seen in this test film, creating a kind of death cloud that swept across the Nevada desert."

Ross interviewed government scientists who spelled out the life-threatening effects of hydrofluoric acid and a few residents who "keep a bag packed at the door, ready to flee" if the aforementioned "death cloud" ever creeps up on them, but he only spoke with one source who supported the refinery and accused the oil industry of not taking safety seriously.

"You would admit it's not a good safety record?" asked Ross, interviewing Charles Drevna, president of the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association, even though Drevna made no such statement.

Ross parroted unnamed "officials" who claim that only "luck" has prevented the ominous "death cloud" from engulfing Corpus Christi: "Can you really rely on luck to protect the American public?"

Drevna retorted that the industry relies on "technology," not luck, to ensure safety, but Ross would not let the facts get in the way of a good story: "Hardly reassuring words for the people of Corpus Christi who hear the sirens all day and all night, wondering if this is the day their luck will run out."

Residents of Corpus Christi are not the only people who should fear for their lives. Ross cited a study by the Center for Public Integrity, a liberal group, to fret that "16 million unsuspecting Americans [live] in potential kill zones."

That's right, Ross implied that millions of "unsuspecting" Americans live in areas that could be swept up in a "death cloud" at any moment.

If the story of the boy who cried wolf has a moral, it has been lost on Ross, who frequently hyperbolizes the findings of his "investigations," often to paint a depressing picture of the future.

In 2005, Ross sensationally hyped the epidemic potential of bird flu: "It could kill a billion people worldwide, make ghost towns out of parts of major cities, and there is not enough medicine to fight it. It is called the avian flu."

Fast forward to August 2009, when Ross drew a ludicrous connection between health care town hall protesters and racist hate groups, quoting Mark Potok of the left wing Souther Poverty Law Center: "I think that the president has, in effect, triggered fears among a fairly large numbers [sic] of white people in this country that they are somehow losing their country."

On January 18, 2010, Ross bizarrely asserted that U.S. soldiers were "endangered" by "secret Jesus codes" scrawled on rifles used in Afghanistan.

And just this morning, on "Good Morning America," Ross somberly proclaimed that "renting a car may be a consumer's version of Russian roulette."

Apparently convinced that death lurks behind every corner, Ross has yet to file a "Nightline" investigation into the threat posed by his own shadow (that's called hyperbole).

A transcript of the "Nightline" investigation into "dangerous" oil refineries can be found below:

ABC
Nightline
February 24, 2011

11:47 p.m. EST

CYNTHIA MCFADDEN: When we come back, the toxic threat next door. Millions of Americans live near oil refineries. But many don't know how dangerous it could be.

[...]

MCFADDEN: And now to energy. With all that's going on in the Middle East, the price of crude topped $100 a barrel yesterday for the first time since 2008. To turn that pricey crude into gas for the car, the oil, of course, must be refined. But investigators have found many refineries have failed to properly maintain aging equipment. Brian Ross says that has led to grave concerns. Brian?

BRIAN ROSS, ABC News chief investigative correspondent: Cynthia, the business of turning oil into gasoline involves lots of dangerous chemicals. But one chemical in particular has federal safety and homeland security officials very worried. And, as we found, for good reason. In Corpus Christi, Texas, the warning sirens come all times of the day and night, from the oil refineries just down the street.

JANIE MUMPHORD, Corpus Christi resident: You never know when you go to bed if you're going to live through the night, or if you have to run through the night.

ROSS: Fear is a fact of life for miles around in this community. People wonder, is it a test? A false alarm? Or the real thing like the last time?

JOHN EVANS, Corpus Christi resident: You hear a whistle blow for a few minutes and you don't know if you're going to have an explosion or whatever.

ROSS: Few have forgotten what happened the last time, less than two years ago, when an explosion at the CITGO refinery released a highly lethal chemical called hydrofluoric acid that just barely missed the neighborhood.

AL BRADLEY, Corpus Christi resident: Flames were straight down the street there at the refinery and some flames were coming over the top of those trees.

ROSS: Now, some residents keep a bag packed at the door, ready to flee.

JEAN SALONE, Corpus Christi resident: The fear is there and it's there for everybody.

ROSS: This is what they fear. An unchecked release of the hydrofluoric acid, as seen in this test film, creating a kind of death cloud that swept across the Nevada desert. It's a risk far beyond just Corpus Christi. An ABC N ews investigation with the Center for Public Integrity, found 50 oil refine rips using the chemical, from Houston to Minneapolis to Los Angeles to Philadelphia and in between, putting some 16 million unsuspecting Americans in potential kill zones.

Dr. RONALD KOOPMAN, retired government scientist: Your lungs hurt, you can't breathe. The lungs can't function. Eventually you die from asphyxiation.

ROSS: Dr. Ronald Koopman was a scientist when he helped conduct the studies in conjunction with Amoco oil.

KOOPMAN: It actually penetrates the skin, destroying the issue, trying to get to the bones and react. It's a very, very strong acid.

ROSS: This is really nasty.

KOOPMAN: It's really nasty stuff.

ROSS: Dr. Koopman says the oil companies did not want the video made public and insisted on posting a disclaimer that the test could not be used to estimate what might happen in a real accident. But Dr. Koopman says it could.

KOOPMAN: An accident could be this bad. An accident could look like this.

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ROSS: There are alternatives to hydrofluoric acid, but the industry says it would be too expensive to retrofit refineries, that the use of the chemical is safe with proper precautions. Charles Drevna is the president of the oil refineries trade group.

CHARLES DREVNA, president of National Petrochemical & Refiners Association: The track record indicates that over 70 years, while there's been incidents, it's been a reliable product that gets the job done.

ROSS: But in the last two years alone, there have been 29 fires and explosions at refineries that use hydrofluoric acid. Including this one, across the river from Bismarck, North Dakota.

DREVNA: Refineries are as safe as we can make them to be.

ROSS: As safe as you can make them?

DREVNA: But we have to understand that safety is the number one issue.

ROSS: You would admit it's not a good safety record?

DREVNA: I'm not saying it's not a good one. But as anything else, it has to be – safety is an evolving process.

ROSS: Investigators say the problem has become critical now because the oil refinery industry has failed to maintain aging equipment. After a hydrofluoric acid release in 2009 at this Sunoco refinery in Philadelphia, near the city's sports stadiums, federal investigators found the company has failed to "correct deficiencies" including an "established history of tube leaks dating back to 1973."

RAFAEL MOURE-ERASO, chairman of US Chemical Safety Board: The priority seems to be on production and safety seems to take a backseat.

ROSS: The chairman of the government's chemical safety board says the industry mentality is to run the refineries until they break.

MOURE-ERASO: So, basically, what we're talking about is, you are running this to failure.

ROSS: In the case of CITGO in Corpus Christi, the company says there was never any danger to the nearby neighborhood due to the hydrofluoric acid release. But officials say for the people that live nearby, it was more a case of luck, a shift in the winds that prevented a catastrophe. Can you really rely on luck to protect the American public?

DREVNA: No and if we relied on luck to protect anything, then we should be up for criticism. But we don't rely on luck. We rely on technology.

ROSS: How do you explain what happened in that case?

(CROSSTALK)

ROSS: How do you explain what happened in that case?

DREVNA: We can't look in the rear view mirror.

ROSS: Hardly reassuring words for the people of Corpus Christi who hear the sirens all day and all night, wondering if this is the day their luck will run out. Just yesterday, the state of Texas fined CITGO $300,000 for safety violations at the refinery that led to that last accident. And now, officials of the United Steelworkers Union, whose members work at many of those refineries, are calling on Congress to ban the use of that chemical. Cynthia?

MCFADDEN: Thank you, Brian. You can visit publicintegrity.org for a map of where those refineries are located.

--Alex Fitzsimmons is a News Analysis intern at the Media Research Center. Click here to follow him on Twitter.

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I stopped watching ABC when

Submitted by Thoreau on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:11pm.

I stopped watching ABC when they handed their camera's over to White House staff for Obama's speeches.  Call me old fashioned, but government run media isn't my thing.

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The report produced by Steven

Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:27pm.

The report produced by Steven Chu?

I got a real deja vu feeling on this one.

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Get the heck out of our business, Ross!

Submitted by TexasMom0517 on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 1:18am.

Brian Ross is a fearmonger, just as the Justice Brothers are race mongers. He IS doing the bidding of the Obama administration. I've lived in Texas for sixty-one years; my family has been here for four generations.

Stay out of our business, Ross. Tomorrow horses and riders and covered wagons will drive down our freeways and down our main street. John Cornyn, who knows how to sit a horse, will be part of the parade. Sheila Jackson Lee will have on some sort of heinous "cowgirl" outfit emblazoned with rhinestones. We have one of the most celebrated medical centers in the world, we used to have NASA (until Obama decimated the programs). We have a world class port and our state has extraordinary natural resources and natural beauty. We are fiercely independent. We do things a little differently here and if you don't like it, stay away. Trust me, Ross, you won't be missed.

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd wonder WHY there was an offshore oil well accident for the first time in thirty years at such an "auspicious" time for the EPA and Obama- hmmm, personal submarines seem to be de rigeur for some these days. If I were the refinery operator, I'd make sure all my employees were properly vetted and I'd hire extra security for the facility after this report. Just saying...

"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." Barbara Jordan
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Gary, Indiana

Submitted by wingnut55 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:39pm.

I remember in the 1950's you could see Gary, Indiana from a far distance because of the smog around the city. Millions of Americans didn't die in the 50's so why would they die now??? The city is so clean you can't even smell the refinery now. It is much cleaner. This is just another case of "how can we scare them today?"

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This is just another example

Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:42pm.

This is just another example of the "fear factor" so often used in what passes for journalism within the liberal community.

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People like him don't help.

Submitted by Saint Zero on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:48pm.

I mean, they get in the way if you did want to double check and prove there is or isn't a threat. While I believe they do have a deep interest in safety, I also remember Bhopal.

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To bring up Bhopal as a n implied US company failure

Submitted by TheHistorian on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:56pm.

is not true.  http://www.bhopal.com/union-carbide-statements  The Indian subsidiary that ran  the technology did not follow UC recommended safety precautions, but because the Indian government would not hold their own company responsible, Union Carbide was successfully sued.  http://www.bhopal.com/bhopal-court-decision

“Liberals tend to put the onus of your success on society and conservatives on you and your family.”

Dennis Prager

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Well, to be picky I just used

Submitted by Saint Zero on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 11:26pm.

Well, to be picky I just used it as an example of a refinery that went "boom", not meaning to imply it was US.  It's a complex issue, and certainly not served by the MSM's pechant for histronics.

 

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A big part of the expense of retrofitting refineris

Submitted by TheHistorian on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:50pm.

is the cost that EPA will extract.  The way that EPA writes its rules, if you do "majo"r maintenance, they hold you up to come in and review your entire permit and make you "upgrade" your emissions controls and emit much less.  Often the standards will make it impossible for you to go back to your original production rate.  This will put the business out of business.  That is why no new refieries have been built in 20 years; the EPA regs are so stringent (I believe ridiculously so)  that there is no way to permit the refinery and still sell the oil for less than the Socialist States of Europe.

So, HF is here to stay for the time being thanks to the Government.  Just like their increased standards on cars have caused people to hold on to their old ones longer, defeating the purpose of the CAFE standards.

And they think that these people ishould be n charge of your health care?

“Liberals tend to put the onus of your success on society and conservatives on you and your family.”

Dennis Prager

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And did Mr. Ross ride a

Submitted by rwesley2.0 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:51pm.

And did Mr. Ross ride a bicycle to all of these interviews and his studio?  Then he is complicit in the creation of this "Death Cloud".  What did he know and when did he know about it?!?!?

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Red dots! Without them we'd be like Somalia, without camels.

Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:53pm.

search: Refinery benefits.

Can't find any on google, guess there aren't any.

Things like transportation, refrigeration and food from all over the planet.


 

You Didn't Build That.

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Maybe Ross can revisit his former antics and

Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 5:56pm.

find an old Ford Pinto in a junkyard somewhere and rig an explosive device underneath it. He then could drive it to an oil refinery, ignite the device and file a special report. He could even say he rented the Pinto and kill two birds with one stone. In fact, he could say the driver of the Pinto that  exploded at the refinery was delirious with Bird Flu and kill three birds with one stone. What a dweeb.

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Boy, are you old fashioned

Submitted by Diesel on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 6:36pm.

The driver of the Pinto was a racist white TEA party member!

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HF

Submitted by jdubya_az on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 6:06pm.

HF is used more in electronics (chips, etc.) than in refinery processing. You probably have it in your house in CLR or other rust removers. It is a vital component, just like sulfuric and nitric acids.

Those who are running chicken little, or in this case, trying to scare the sheople into demanding these chemicals be banned should be put to trial, drawn and quartered.

Enough.

Get a real education, or become the dependant slave these Orwellians want from you.

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Ya know

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 6:50pm.

I don't recall  a computer or other electronic device blowing up and killing thousands of people. But a refinery might do that..wait ..that happened. Oh well, let the free market sort  it out ..no need for controls of any kind.

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Exposing lib sophistry: possibility vs probability

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:15pm.

Typical liberal reaction to argue that the possibility of something happening justifies regulating an industry to within an inch of its life, even if the odds of said calamity happening is lower than me winning the lottery.  But hey we're all about safety regardless of the cost, right? 

Besides, it's not like an environmental regulation is itself responsible for untold deaths.  Oh wait...that happened when DDT was banned.  Oh well, guess the government will come up with another control to fix that.

"Liberalism is hideous.  It is the antithesis of being pro-human.  It looks at life as a burden in and of itself to be managed, rather than as a blessing to be explored and lived to the fullest." --Rush Limbaugh
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Nephew, I think you

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:55pm.

Nephew, I think you misunderstand. I am tolatly in favor of a completey free market. And since you brought up the subject of DDT, well if we ban DDT and thousands die of malaria, that's God's plan.  And if we don't ban DDT and something else dies..that's God's plan too..it just all works out in the end.

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since when?

Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:58pm.

Since when do liberals believe in God?

-Jon

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You must have a very narrow

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:10pm.

You must have a very narrow view of 'liberals'. At the church I attend, many are social conservatives but econimic liberals..or something like that..we tend to get along with each other.

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→ Early Church Communists

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:16pm.

They tried communism in the early church.  Ananias and Saphira went out the door feet first.

Just goes to show you, Communism is a 100% commitment.

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Nephew, I don't know where

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:35pm.

Nephew, I don't know where you're going with that but some of the members of my church actually belong to unions..gasp!! we are all damned.

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→ Nothing wrong with that

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:47pm.

I belong to a union of States, supposedloy governed by a Constitution.

Works out real good until some animals start thinking they're more equal than others.  They start flying around in Gulfstreams, preaching the evils of fossil fuels.  They decide, even after admitting they don't know the facts, that the Cambridge Police acted stupidly.  They pick and choose which laws should be enforced.  They use racist codespeak like "They're going to have to sit in the back"

That union has its problems right now, but I'm praying these elitist $hitheads get voted out soon.

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Ananias and Saphira

Submitted by wingnut55 on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 9:52am.

Ananias and Saphira died because they lied to the Holy Spirit. And it was not communism that the early church tried. They had a choice as to share their wealth with the church, or not to do that. In communism the government makes that choice for them. Please try to read the Bible before you use it as an example. It will help you not embarrass yourself in the future.

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→ I knew all that Wingnut

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 12:45pm.

It was also pointed out to Ananias that the communism in which he swore he was participating was completely voluntary.

But the fact remains, the group "chose" communism.  And it was the choice of these two holding back and lying about it that ultimately got them killed.  Unless of course you're able to show me proof that they were given a chance to repent after the gravity (sin against the Holy Spirit) was pointed out to them.

Heavy on the word "after".

But you can't, unless you have some new revelation.

There is nothing in the story to suggest they looked at their offense as anything more than lying to Peter.

You have made a buffoon of yourself in trying to present yourself as an in-depth Bible scholar, when you're not.

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econimic liberals

Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:39pm.

I would love to have a detailed definition of how that works

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Well, I'm not about to write

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:55pm.

Well, I'm not about to write you an essay on the subject..but here's what you can do. Look around at your congregation and sort out any who might be union members or worse..I know I can. 

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→ What's your clue?

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:59pm.

My church doesn't play the "Who's a union member" game.

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Exactly my point! Even

Submitted by mandrake on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 9:06pm.

Exactly my point! Even liberals can believe in God! Which was the question that started this pointless thread...thank you and good night.

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→ That's not your point

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 9:10pm.

You stated you CAN differentiate the union from the non-union folks just by looking around your congregation.

I stated that I cannot, and don't even try, to figure out which is which.

I think I'd be declaring triumph and heading off to bed if I were you, too.

Maybe nobody else will notice your lack of mental clarity.

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Union people are easy to

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 10:08pm.

Union people are easy to spot, just look for the onewho only does one thing and then the next guy who does another and so on.

Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark
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→ I work with a union

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 10:12pm.

I've worked with unions for the last 35 years.  Other than the ignorant, militant, upper echelon, most of them are proud of their work and wish they were held to an individual standard rather than a collective.

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I guess I wasn't clear

Submitted by mandrake on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 12:36pm.

I didn't mean to imply I could spot a union member on sight. I've lived in the same community for 50 years..I know just about everyone.

I was just trying to respond to the absurd asseration that a liberal cannot believe in God. And what did I get? I'll think twice before I try that one again.

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→ Sobered up since then, have you?

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 2:12pm.

Not only did you imply it, you stated it.

Then went off to bed thinking you had just thrown down pocket aces to go with the other two on the table.

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Since it was me

Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 8:49pm.

that made that assertion, I'll explain why I said it.  Typically, and many on here would agree, liberals would piss and moan about not believing in God or claim some daffy form of church and state separation or whatever and would typically be behind the things like prayers at school, banning the pledge, banning anything and everything to do with God in it.

It's only when it's useful to them somehow that liberals would then "believe" in God depending on the situation.  That's why I said "since when do liberals believe in God?" after the comments made regarding "God's will" in not using DDT which that comment in itself was patently absurd.

That's like having a disease that can be cured with a syringe containing the cure but the cure is kept back because it's up to God to decide if the patient will be cured on his own, and not by the doctor with the cure.  That's being intellectually dishonest.

-Jon

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Fine

Submitted by mandrake on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 5:17pm.

But I object to sweeping generalizations..including my own. I disagree with the asseration that a liberal cannot believe in God. I am a liberal, my views on universal health care for example are well known here. However, I do believe in God and in fact I insisted that all my girls attend Catholic school. And if any of them ever got involved with anything like abortion..well there would trouble.

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I dont blame you for not writing the essay

Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 10:04am.

No doubt it wouldnt make much sense anyway. Kinda like your reply?

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Then you won't mind if we

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:29pm.

Then you won't mind if we don't control mosquitos around your house. And if it's your friends and family suffering from or living a short life from an avoidable disease, rather than some poor kid in the 3rd world we don't see. That's ok. It's just god's will.

 

 

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exactly right again danbo*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:38pm.

God's will is one thing but when man interferes with nature because of a political agenda or shortsighted view, then there are unintended consequences that have nothing to do with God.

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md,As electricians became licensed, electrocutions ceased, crock

Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:43pm.

Like this bridge built in record time.

I can't find the part where zillions of governmental inspections were suspended. It happened. Which resulted in the completion of the project...waay ahead of schedule.

Sixty-six days after the contract was signed the freeway was opened to traffic, 74 days ahead of schedule.

Believe it or not private enterprise is only interested in completing the job at hand and making all that money, is just a lovely benefit. so they can go out and do-it-again.

BTW the bridge is still there.

You Didn't Build That.

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I'm skeered

Submitted by Bob K on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 6:21pm.

Let's get real. While accidents do indeed happen,  It's a chance I am willing to take.  No one is ever 100% safe anywhere. 21 people died and 150 were injured in the Boston Mollasses disaster of 1919...... I kid you not, look it up.  I think this guy is seriously trying for attention. If you can't find a real threat, invent one.

Bob K
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The air in Pasadena Texas is

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 6:32pm.

The air in Pasadena Texas is visible and has a greenish tint.  It aint real healthy for ya.

Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark
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Ethanol

Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:08pm.

It's all that ethanol they are using.  Supposed to be green, ya know.

-Jon

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→ But isn't it more humane?

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:21pm.

Liberals believe it infinitely more humane saying to the starving children in Africa "We're sorry you have to die, but we need 40% of our corn production to feeeeeel good about our carbon footprint.

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And what really sad

Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:25pm.

Is NASCAR has jumped all over this bandwagon. Almost barfed during the D500

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race cars

Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:36pm.

I read somewhere that ethanol was good for race cars since they are built for speed as opposed to the street vehicles.  This make sense when fuel economy isn't an issue in race cars.  Is this true?

I'm just against using it in the general population especially since not everyone is using a flex fuel vehicle(like me and I don't want to buy a new vehicle, don't need to be saddled with car payments if I don't have to be).  Especially when it comes from a food source.

-Jon

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Jon

Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:39pm.

I heard during the Daytona race that the cup cars make a few more horsepower on ethynol but sacrifice some mileage. I don't know why though, maybe it burns cooler.

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makes sense

Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:49pm.

If that's the case, it makes sense, I mean, you're driving a racing car and conventional speed limits don't mean a thing, whoever heard of doing the D500 at 55 miles per hour?

It should be considered a specialty fuel, not a feel-good prop.  Especially since it's been proven that it does NOT burn cleaner(causes worse pollution versus conventional gasoline), gets worse gas mileage(about 10% or more) so they end up running out sooner and paying more, uses a LOT of energy to create which does not equal the amount of energy it creates when burned as gas, and causes corrosive damage over time.  That's just the highlights of it, liberals, but that's your boondoggle.

But so many people are so damned hung up about "saving the planet" that they won't listen or care.

Damned fools.

-Jon

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Cant,

Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:36pm.

Gas produces more BTU's. Game over

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Good soldier

Submitted by Jerry Mack on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 6:37pm.

Ross is doing his part as a  soldier in the Messiah's Ëarth is on Fire campaign.

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Farewell, friends, for I am sitting in the "death cloud"

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:02pm.

epicenter surrounding Baton Rouge.  Since I'm not long for this world, let me say only that it was an honor to know you all.

"Liberalism is hideous.  It is the antithesis of being pro-human.  It looks at life as a burden in and of itself to be managed, rather than as a blessing to be explored and lived to the fullest." --Rush Limbaugh
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Alas, poor Dolemite

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:09pm.

We knew him well.
But at least we get to follow behind the Dixieland band.  Catchy little number by one of the greatest decomposers of our time.

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In lieu of flowers, I'd like to have donations made to Algore

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:19pm.

and Greenpeace.  ;)

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→ Dolemite's funeral

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:23pm.

Can we get an Irish tenor to sing "O Dolemite Boy . . . the pipes, the pipes are spewing"

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LOL, that would do my

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:28pm.

LOL, that would do my half-Irish heart proud, lad.

Or maybe a cover of the viral video hit, retitled "Acid Rain".

"Liberalism is hideous.  It is the antithesis of being pro-human.  It looks at life as a burden in and of itself to be managed, rather than as a blessing to be explored and lived to the fullest." --Rush Limbaugh
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→ Galway Bay

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:36pm.

Won't be a dry eye in the cemetary.

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Any particular Algore legal defense fund?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:24pm.

Or should we just pick one at random?

PS - if you have any good power tools, I'm prepared to make a very reasonable offer.

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Nah, send it to his divorce lawyer instead

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:30pm.

Al's gonna need every penny when Tipper cleans him out.

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Pauve T-Mite*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:38pm.

How we will miss him. But we will give him a burial at sea. Well at least in the Atchafalaya river.

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I'm sure da alligators is

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:40pm.

I'm sure da alligators is gonna love da free meal, cher.

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Crawfish season is coming.

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:52pm.

Crawfish season is coming.

 

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exactly danbo*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:04pm.

Just talked to a crawfish farmer yesterday. He says with all this warm weather we have had this past week, he is catching 700-800 #'s a day.  Things looking good, pretty soon we may even be able to afford to buy a few pounds.

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To get us in funeral

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:17pm.

To get us in funeral mode.....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdM3JmN6HWY&feature=related

I'll bring my umbrella.And bandana.

 

"You lie!"  Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

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→ That's what I'm talking about.

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:20pm.

But I'll skip the umbrella.  Folks might think I'm Qadaffi.

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Here you go Cool*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:26pm.

Forget all this gloom and doom. Mardi Gras is coming soon.

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Laissez les bon temps rouler.

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:32pm.

Laissez les bon temps rouler.

 

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→ Yeah

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:36pm.

Yeah, What danbo said!

But let the good times roll, anyway.

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Et le courir du mardi gras.

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:38pm.

Et le courir du mardi gras.

 

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I liked the Rudy Ray Moore

Submitted by stratman on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:34pm.

I liked the Rudy Ray Moore blaxploitation movie Dolemite back when.  That dude kicked everyone's behind with a rhyme.

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Where do you think I got my

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:39pm.

Where do you think I got my inspiration from? ;)

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→ Rudy Ray Moore

Submitted by Cool Arrow on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:47pm.

Leaves the "Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner" in the dust.

Now that was classic poetry even Stevenson and Poe would envy.

Of course you could've chosen "Signifying Monkey".

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"Where do you think I got my

Submitted by stratman on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 10:33pm.

  • "Where do you think I got my inspiration from?"

A geologist with poor spelling?

Happy to see there are other fans of the "so bad it's good" Dolemite!

 

Cool Arrow -

Jesse Jackson thinks he's the elephant to Obama's lion.  (recall the hot mic and Rev's stupid "cut" comment)

Don't tell me you have the album???  (Rudy may not be right in the mind)

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Who has it worse. I survived

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:33pm.

Who has it worse. I survived that deadly Red Stick. And deadly New Orleans.

Now I'm in a safe location. Just down from Stennis. We all know these serious journo-list won't tell us it's potentially dangerous here. Next door to safe NASA's rocket fuel.

How's my old Alma Mater?

 

"You lie!"  Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

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Your old Alma Mater's broke. 

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:38pm.

Your old Alma Mater's broke.  Send money.

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They were broke when I was

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:47pm.

They were broke when I was there.... Both times. Undergrad and grad school.

 

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Sounds like it's about the

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:49pm.

Sounds like it's about the same.
 

 

"You lie!"  Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

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LSU stayed fat and happy on

Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:02pm.

LSU stayed fat and happy on state/federal money during the good times and never really tried to develop big private revenue streams from industry or alumni.  So when the recession and state fiscal crisis hit, LSU got caught with their pants down, having to accept a smaller piece of a shrinking pie that's already divided among far too many 4-yr universities.  This whole mess has now forced LSU to make those kinds of long-term private fundraising plans, but that does little to help the quality of students' educations now.  We're on the cusp of having to eliminate a bunch of degree problems, and that's when you know the problems have become very serious.

"Liberalism is hideous.  It is the antithesis of being pro-human.  It looks at life as a burden in and of itself to be managed, rather than as a blessing to be explored and lived to the fullest." --Rush Limbaugh
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Obama - Death President slaughters millions!

Submitted by Slyrr on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:15pm.

Haw!  Leave it to liberals to turn the internet 'yellow' with their 'journalism'.  'Death Cloud!'  That sounds so much more sensational and dramatic.

Maybe we should start calling Obama the 'DEATH President'!

If a Liberal/Democrat politician/media figure wants to put their arms around you, or pat you on the back, all they're doing is looking for a good place to stick a knife.
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After having lived about 35

Submitted by danbo on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:17pm.

After having lived about 35 or so years in New Orleans and Baton Rouge. How many refineries is that? And if we add the chemical plants. I've seen a couple of explosions and their aftermath. A few real close. As has been pointed out. Considering how long they've been around the track record is pretty good. And they're doing better now than in the 50's and 60's. More people have died because of the intervention of government. (IE Ban on DDT)

Of course we could give up these killers. Go back to horses in the streets. Feces everywhere wouldn't be a health issue. Spoiled food from lack of refrigeration isn't a big deal. Breathing in the soot from wood fired steam engines is no big deal. Or the occasional explosion of steam engines.

What's our life span? What's the life span in societies that haven't recieved the products of refineries?

Maybe we also aught to worry about evil molasses. There was the great molasses flood 1919 killing 21 people.

 

"You lie!"  Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

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Attacking Energy

Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:23pm.

Plain and simple. Obama is at war with America

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Call him what he is

Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:31pm.

He's The Dictator in Chief.  Ignores the rule of law, but has his own rules.  People need to start saying that.  Given what's happening in the middle east, he won't lift that illegal moratorium on drilling or have the EPA allow new refineries to be built and stop making cost-intensive and costly(and useless) ethanol.  He might spout the line of BS that doing so won't help us and he's made sure of that.

-Jon

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Remember jon*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 8:16pm.

He did say that he believed the Constitution was a "negative" document so why should he follow it. He has already ignored several federal court decisions going against his agenda.

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I sent 32 years working in

Submitted by ConservativeRex on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 7:52pm.

I sent 32 years working in the largest refinery in the U.S. and I guarantee you that this Refinery is a safer workplace then the ABC studios where this news show is taped.

I will match our safety record to theirs any day.  I will also match our environmental record against their any day of the week.  

It appears to me that outfits like ABC just want to see businesses go under and folks lose their jobs because misery means better rateings.  The Eagles were right.  

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

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Enough have probably forgotten this gem

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 9:04pm.

Time for someone in the MSM to rig a rental car with some explosives.

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Obama declared war on oil as soon as he moved into the WH

Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 02/25/2011 - 9:05pm.

ABC, being ever the good Ministry of Statist Misinformantion lackeys they are, is merely aiding him in his cause.

Obama intends to take this country down, and the coming unprecedented spike in the price of oil is going to help him succeed.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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gas price jump

Submitted by jon_torlin on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 1:20am.

gas prices jumped 13-15 cents around here in one day.  I saw it minimum of $3.19 today.  I feel sorry for anyone driving cars that require super unleaded.

In the meantime, them sumb!tches are saying "open the strategic reserve!"  What they should be saying is "stop the illegal moratorium" and "reactivate the wells in this country" as well as "build new refineries and fix existing ones(not to EPA standards)."  Not that he would do any of those.  He's the dictator, his word is law.

-Jon

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Refinery owners

Submitted by TexasMom0517 on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 10:18am.

Dear Refinery owners, recheck the backgrounds of your employees and hire additional security for your facilities. "Accidents" can be arranged, can't they?

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The Dangers of Distilleries

Submitted by CobraMan on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 10:42am.

If you think the oil refineries are dangerous, wait until you find out that distilleries, you know, the people who make that Ethanol you're burning in the car you're driving, use Nitric Acid in which to clean their vats! That acid, a very corrosive and dangerous substance,  is stored in large tanks in strong concentrations, ready to be diluted and used as a cleaning solution. An accidental release of that acid would be devastating to the environment, and could kill hundreds of people. How much danger are we facing because of that extremely dangerous nitric acid?  I'm surprised that Ross hasn't done a story on that possible Apocalypse as well.  After all, a distillery is just as vulnerable as a refinery, and there are far more distilleries than there are refineries here in America.

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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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Oh, poot!

Submitted by Beukeboom on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 11:06pm.

A real "death cloud" is the after effects of consuming bad, greasy chili with beans.

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Hmm

Submitted by stratman on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 1:33am.

Is that how you got your name - things that go BOOM! after nasty chili?

Speaking of beans, I had a lovely navy bean soup tonight.  All is well.  :-)

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But you can export the

Submitted by Cowboy on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 2:42am.

But you can export the mercury vapor cloud from making CFL bulbs...

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