The Woodshed

I made this comment on the article and I'll make this here... This is the very essence of what is WRONG with the conservative movement. The reason we are being eaten alive by a group that is much smaller than our own. You sir have just disparaged PUBLICLY someone who was willing to hold the line with you. Whether you disagree with the limitations she imposed on herself, she drew a clear and bold line as to what she was there to represent and was more than willing to stick to her guns on it! She didn't feed into his goals of getting her to answer his gotcha question.

Politico looks into it.

I have been watching Palin for four years now, that is why I am for Bachmann.

Michele is better educated, better spoken, and just all around more intelligent. I agree with about everything Palin says, but I get embarrassed for her while she is saying it.

I don't think she is dumb, but I can certainly see why SO many people believe that she is. However, I am not like the glazed eyed Palin zombies at conservatives4palin, I will support whoever wins the primary.

Hate to state the obvious, but maybe this website is slanted towards conservative bias, and that's why it sees a liberal conspiracy aligned against them everywhere they look. That's technically called "selection bias" and "confirmation bias." Just ignore all instances to the contrary. In this mindset: Everyone in the media who is not an avowed conservative is a liberal out to spread propaganda (unlike conservatives, who don't do that in media, or elsewhere, including the world wide web). Centrists apparently don't exist, nor do libertarians, communitarians, or other viewpoints.

For sake of clarification I created a new forum with a more respectful title.  This is an open forum for discussing the origins of man, and the complexities of introducing Creation as an alternative to Evolution in the classroom.

Please do not attack the beliefs of others.  Please refrain from inflammatory behavior and personal attacks.  This is not an Atheist or Christian beat-down.  Just discussion.   

#1 Ted
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 4:17pm.

I stand by my earlier comment- you're so dense. Read the words. Consider both versions a storyline, and tell me how they substantially differ.

The Republican debate in South Carolina was fun to watch. Cain ruled the roost as far as my opinion goes. I think the bigger question is about who didn't show up... Was it politically wise to forgo the debate? Or was it wise? What are your thoughts on who said what and why you liked or disliked them. I'm in the Cain camp right now, I believe a Rubio, West or Bachmann would add to a ticket with Herman. Your thoughts?

I'd like to make a special announcement. As of 9 am eastern I am official changing my position on the release of the bin Laden photos.

After several days of debate, discussion, and self-reflection I have reached a new conclusion I am comfortable revealing at this time.

If we can retrieve bin Laden's body, which I believe we can, I think the remains should be brought back to the US where it will receive the shellacking of all time - I think 20 coats will do.  

1. ...a 24-year old is not a child.--- define child: 4. A son or daughter; an offspring

2. Under the FairTax, taxes would come out of everyday purchases by all black market participants...

Unbelievable that the Main Stream Liberal Media has not investigated the huge gaps in Obama's resume. How about the basics: -School transcripts -SSN -Name Changes -School Attendance, or lack thereof specifically Columbia -Visit to Pakistan (WTF, that is on every US citizen's Passport list of terror countries) I think he may have been born in the US, but it is much deeper than that, and the liberal MSM makes light of this issue by calling anyone who questions this most unfit President's background as a birther. We (all common sense Americans who don't pray at the CNN/NYT/MSNBC a

Unbelievable that the Main Stream Liberal Media has not investigated the huge gaps in Obama's resume. How about the basics: -School transcripts -SSN -Name Changes -School Attendance, or lack thereof specifically Columbia -Visit to Pakistan (WTF, that is on every US citizen's Passport list of terror countries) I think he may have been born in the US, but it is much deeper than that, and the liberal MSM makes light of this issue by calling anyone who questions this most unfit President's background as a birther. We (all common sense Americans who don't pray at the CNN/NYT/MSNBC a

  The Vet is brutally honest here and can never be proven wrong by a troll.

To Start the festivities, I found this over at the Huffington Post while I was doing a little hunting.

 

sirbobloblaw666

 

"Everything, and I mean Everything these Republican­s vote against is against humans and the planet. And for what, Corporate gain, and a belief in faith!

hydrodynDM's Humble Response to The Vet

So The Vet and I had a bit of a dust up recently.

Troglodyt has gone into another lying meltdown that started with this -

 

 

I was thinking about this last night and at first I was worried because it sounds experimental and we'd have no way of knowing if the theories worked in reality. Then I realized that was wrong. We have seen this movie before.

 

1. I suppose the US never committed any holocausts, did they?  Hiroshima...Nagasaki...the Civil War... --- The blog topic was the Holocaust. Equated the Holocaust (Capital H -  the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II) with the noun holocaust (small h - a mass slaughter of people)

Garlock: ...Republican-held Congress declared war on Iraq under the misinformation from George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Has He ever contributed anything to any subject at hand , Other than Glib comments ,that is ?

Just wondering !

The battle for America rages, and 2012 will be here sooner than you think. Please visit Rebellion2012.org and join other Conservatives/Libertarians/Sane People who are battling Obama and the Progressives. If you are a senior and retired you could be of great value to your country, and have a grand purpose to wake up to every morning. Over 30% of eligable citizens are not registered to vote! Many are disheartened and just need someone to talk to.

Defends Big Government intrusions into the lives of American Citizens as embodied by America's Affordable Healthcare Act, AKA Obamacare.

To start off the festivities, Sarah Palin says this bill implements 'Death Panels'.  You liberals claim otherwise.  Prove it.

Come and show us your intellectual prowess, you sawed-off little runt.  Let me see you 'swat' these flies.

  Are you a troll? Feeling a little squeezed because others are sick of you troll ways? Got a nasty diaper rash itch because Mumzie troll forgot to change your diapers again? Never fear. Just reach into this back of troll tactics to put a Full On Whine on those nasty peoples that crawl all over the intertubes.

 

For anyone who thinks Palin as Prez would be a crap shoot, let me share this post with you.

Every once in a while I visit the Indiana University Water Cooler Discussion board. Today I saw a post over there that I thought would be of interest here. Keep in mind that most of the posters there are ultra liberal, so I’m sure it made their heads explode.

Here it is:

CO. Hoosier, I’m not even sure that I can be classified as a “Palin fan”, but I am kind of an observer. An old school buddy of mine has worked within the Alaska legislature for the last twenty years or so. He’s a registered Democrat and has worked on projects that allowed him to cross paths with her going back when she was a city commissioner, as the mayor, and as the governor.

He told me that the picture painted of her as a mindless ideologue is about 180 degrees off base. He said that over the years, he’d probably dealt with her a couple of dozen times and that her input and/or decisions were always supported by law and not by personal beliefs.

The thing he told me about her that really peaked my interest of her was her ability to process information and then to quickly forge a plan with the information she was given. He said she was a living, breathing CPM chart. He said he had seen her on multiple occasions on a variety of subjects instantly absorb input from others and then respond with cogent solutions to problems. He said if you put her in a room with a bunch of people, the chances would be great that she’d be the smartest one in the room.

He told me that when he saw her debacle with Katie Couric, his first thought was, “who is that Sarah Palin imposter?” He said that was not the Sarah Palin he had worked with for years. He was sure that the interview was highly edited. It came out later that there was almost six hours of the interview that people didn’t see.

He told me that if I really wanted to get a feel of who she is and how she dealt with powerful people, I should read the book, “Sarah Takes On Big Oil”. It was released in October, 2008 and written by two of the state’s top oil & gas editors. The lady they described had no fear to stand toe-to-toe with heavyweights and leave them slinking away with their tales between their legs. She told them that she was the advocate of the citizens of Alaska and there would be no deal making that would adversely affect them. The big boys at Exxon-Mobile and BP folded like a cheap suit.

One other thing he told me that still amazes him was how she managed to get people to work together. According to him, she could take two people with opposing opinions, sit down with them, listen to them, offer her solutions, and both guys would leave happy and not feeling that they had compromised their position at all.

He laughed at the “she doesn’t read” meme. He said it is well known in the capitol that she was a voracious reader. She truly did read most of the national mags and newspapers, mostly on line, as well as a dozen or so energy trade magazines. According to him, there were stories about how she would take home stacks of papers and reports to prepare for a next-morning meeting and it was as if every word of those reports were stamped into her brain when she sat down at the meeting.

He told me not to be fooled by her syntax or her colloquialisms because they were not a fair barometer of her smarts. He said if people would just listen and not try to read between the lines, she was easy to understand. He said he’d love to see her and Obama in a debate about energy or even healthcare. He said she’d clean his clock. He even said that if she were given a day or two to prepare for a debate on foreign affairs, his money would still be on her.

He said she was the epitome of a leader. She assembled her staff, listened to their advice, allowed opposing ideas to be heard, and then acted accordingly. As a manager, she advocated making a plan based on the best info available, budgeting the plan, working the plan, measuring results, and quickly adjusting the plan if it was determined it wasn’t working as expected. She believed in the First Law of Holes.

He thought her biggest struggles in the 2008 campaign were the product of trying to endorse McCain’s positions on issues. She was able to voice her dissenting opinion on ANWR because her views were known, but on everything else she was expected to toe the McCain line. He said that she lacked the ability to shovel crap and sell it as perfume.

He reminded me that anyone who denies the accuracy of her “death panel” metaphor should go back and read her exact words, both her initial FB post and her rebuttal of Obama’s attack on her words. He said “read what she wrote, not what someone wrote or said what she wrote”. Her words in those posts have already been proven to be true.

He said that “divisive” is not a word that should be used to describe her. He said that was just a simple use of Alinsky’s rule #13. He said, “look at all the issues. Her position is in line with the majority on virtually all of them”.

He told me she wasn’t perfect, but if I read something or heard something that was negative, I should check it out a little closer. He shared a lot more, but I’m afraid I’ve already rambled on for too long.

Should she run in 2012? I really don’t know. Would I vote for her? It depends who she’s running against. Will she drive the agenda if she doesn’t run? Yes, for a long time.

to the Woodshed

I get taken to Internal Affairs by the NB lead Prosecutor Queenmum.

 

Let's take the wonderful world of Liberal Numbers and Mathematics to the woodshed.

I'm calling for help here to iterate (list) with links to the most ridiculous and wonderful examples of the Liberal math/political complex.

Let's get it all up.  I'd like to see a lot of examples of how Liberals:

Make up numbers to support their silly ideas.

Use numbers with no attribution whatsoever as to their source.

Try their hand at a logical construct (must involve numbers of any kind) that is either circular or fallacious.

Any other example that can be illustrated in the consistent use of numbers that distort the reality of Liberal Political excuses, reasoning or advocacy.

Have at it.

And have some fun.

ACA

In a curious piece published by Ben Evans of the Associated Press (AP: Republicans Wax Hot and Cold on Constitution), Republicans are portrayed as having less respect for the United States Constitution than do Democrats. It could be Evans has noticed one of the prime grievances the Tea Party has with RINOs (Republicans in name only), or it could something less impartial.

First, Evans portrays Republicans as inconsistent on their professed respect for the venerable document and by the end of the piece it seems their only interest in amending it is political posturing. Of course, with Democrats wanting fewer changes to the Constitution (27 proposed amendments, compared to the 42 proposed by Republicans), apparently the reader is supposed to conclude that when Congressional Republicans speak of honoring the constitution and of being “strict Constitutionalists” that this means the entire documents is sacrosanct and it not to be touched. The truth is, today there are problems not only with what has been done to the core of America’s laws in the letter, but also in the spirit.

If this news story were to mention the concern about RINOs, one of several concerns that unify the Tea Party movement, the report would be refreshingly thorough. But, alas the only picture we get from this story is that Republicans are pandering, opportunistic, hypocritical politicians, while Democrats are utterly honorable. Then there is that one little detail about the Constitution that the GOP is not given credit for: the amendment process is part of it too.

The founders wrote extensively about the Constitution and their reasoning for crafting it the way they did, as well as government in general. For example, the Federalist papers address the delicate balance of power between the people, the states and the federal government (Federalist #63). Many Americans don’t know that the Senate was originally appointed by state legislatures, not elected by the people. The 17th Amendment changed this, and in doing so also fundamentally altered this fragile balance. Conservatives generally contend such change damaged that balance, and that it needs to be restored as it was originally. One need not “divine” the intent of the founders to ascertain their plain position on the matter, as if the founders never described their concerns and thoughts in writing other than the Constitution itself. And with that historically isolationist attitude of those who denigrate “original intent” as something that has to be “divined” we have seen the Constitution morph into something very unlike what it was originally.

As already mentioned, the endeavor to repeal the 17th Amendment is not “picking and choosing” what portions of the Constitution are consistent with the original spirit. The amendment process that is part of the Constitution is a perfectly legitimate means of changing it, since the effort is to restore what conservatives believe is a fundamental and vital aspect of the brilliance of the original American concept of self government. But this issue of the 17th Amendment also shows that change is not necessarily good, thus the right wing endeavor to undo this change.

And what of the 16th Amendment, which permitted Congress to tax personal income? Most conservatives today would argue the federal income tax gives the federal government too much power. Do they have to “divine” Thomas Jefferson’s opinion on this issue?

“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.” — Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

But amending the Constitution is not the only way the law of the land has been effectively changed. While the language has changed via the amendment process, there is also the interpretation of the Constitution that seems inconsistent with the original intent of the men who invented the United States. Can anyone show me where the words “a wall of separation between church and state” appear in the Constitution? They don’t. But rather than follow the explicit language in the First Amendment, that the free exercise of religion shall not be infringed, it appears that now “freedom of religion” has been interpreted to mean “freedom from religion”, with innumerable examples of its free exercise being not only infringed but repressed by our government. If hosting religious services in the Capital building was sound practice in Thomas Jefferson’s day, how is that now our Constitution supposedly requires the prohibition of prayer on the steps of the Supreme Court? This was not accomplished by conservatives, but by progressives in the name of tolerance or religious neutrality.

And if Muslims have a right to build a Mosque only a few blocks from Ground Zero in New York City (criticizing that attempt is in no way arguing they don’t have such a right) then I must protest in favor of the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, whose efforts to rebuild their church crushed by the falling World Trade Center have been thwarted. One could argue their “right” to practice their religion has been infringed. Or how about the Bronx Household of Faith, a Christian group who has been denied (for 15 years) the right to rent public building space on weekends.

For generations, progressives (among both major political parties) have challenged the right of the people to defend themselves by trying to reinterpret the second amendment to their liking. Only recently has the Supreme Court made a definitive ruling on the matter, but even that isn’t enough to settle the issue for many on the left. Somehow the clear meaning of the second amendment has been lost among progressives, but at least we can channel Thomas Jefferson on this issue:

“No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements].” – Thomas Jefferson, draft statement for the original Constitution of the State of Virginia, not included in the final Virginia Constitution as adopted).

Is there any language in the Constitution explaining that killing unborn children is a right? Of course not. But, again, this is an issue of interpretation of the Constitution which progressives (among both major political parties) tend to support, while conservatives (among both major political parties) generally oppose.

One major issue uniting patriotic Americans (those who love the country for its virtues, not those who think paying taxes or that acknowledging only our country’s sins is the mark of a true patriot) is the idea that the federal government can do anything it pleases is utterly inconsistent with what it means to be an American. Do we have to “divine” our founders’ original intent on this?

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.” — Thomas Jefferson

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson

“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.” — James Madison in a letter to James Robertson

In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia, James Madison stood on the floor of the House to object saying:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” — James Madison, 4 Annals of Congress 179, 1794

“[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.” — James Madison

Statements like these are why the political right argue our federal government is ignoring (not merely misusing or misunderstanding) the 10th Amendment. The Progressive/Socialist agenda pushing for government control over an ever increasing degree of the lives of the American people grades against the clear intent of our founders. Representative Pete Stark (D-CA) probably best reveals why there is such concern about progressivism in the United States:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1-eBz8hyoE 

Those of us saying universal health care, or many other federal government programs, are unconstitutional are not saying that because we “don’t like” those programs. We say such things are unconstitutional because THEY ARE! I know of no one suggesting the income tax is unconstitutional, but I have heard people say it should be (which why they also argue the 16th should be negated by another amendment). The push for ever increasing government power is perpetrated by progressives, Republicans and Democrats alike. It is conservatives, both Republicans and Democrats, who push back against this totalitarian wave. By the way, to support the Constitutionally consistent idea of “limited government” is, by definition, NOT anti-government, which is a term used by much of the main stream press and progressive politicians to criticize the Tea Party movement.

But evidently there are somethings permissible for constitutional scholars to “divine” about original intent:

(Virginia) Sloan said that while some proposals to alter the Constitution have merit, most are little more than posturing by politicians trying to connect with voters.

“People are responding to the politics of the day, and that’s not what the framers intended,” she said. “They intended exactly the opposite — that the Constitution not be used as a political tool.”

Ms. Sloan is right that the Constitution is not supposed to be used as a political tool. However, many calls for changing the constitution today are not political posturing (at least not by grass roots citizens) but are a reaction against previous alterations or interpretations that many Americans feel were more political posturing than anything else (such as the 18th Amendment, which abolished alcohol in the United States, and then the 21st Amendment which repealed the 18th, or the distortion of the freedom of religion into the authority to quell religious expression).

It seems this news report on the GOP’s gripes about the Constitution is also an instance of political posturing. In the current political climate there is a growing desire to do something about illegal immigration (for those of you who get your news primarily from the main stream media, the conflict is not over immigration at all, only over illegal immigration – those who break the law by thwarting our admittedly problematic immigration system). Is it just coincidence that progressives in government are working to grant voting rights to criminals who’ve lost the right to vote, as well as to illegal immigrants who never had it in the first place – with polling data indicating such new voters will likely support the Democrat Party? I suppose the record breaking levels of kid-napping (a federal crime) in the state of Arizona is just a meaningless talking point. Or how about the influx of increasingly violent drug activity migrating from Mexico into bordering American states, and the increasing financial burden of entitlement programs providing government aid of all sorts to “undocumented workers” who apparently don’t pay into the federal income tax system (if they did, they’d be “documented” workers)? Is having your state government in a perpetual state of bankruptcy a good idea?

Granted, the GOP is in flux these days. Progressive Republicans disagree with conservative Republicans on many issues. Conservative Republicans are mocked and ridiculed endlessly in the main stream press while progressives are largely called “moderates” and spoken of in more favorable terms. I think Mr. Evans is right when he notes the apparent hypocrisy of the progressives in the GOP, those who support progressive abuse of the Constitution on one hand but pontificate about respecting it during an election year. But this news report is an ostensible attempt to thwart any change to the 14th Amendment before it gains much momentum. It is no coincidence that the automatic citizenship provision of the 14th Amendment is being exploited for financial gain by many illegal immigrants currently residing in the U.S. Nor is it a secret that illegal immigrants, and the millions of Americans perpetually dependent on the federal government for their own personal handouts, support Democrats more than they do Republicans. The concern of bankrupting the nation is not a mere political talking point; it is a real and legitimate concern for millions of Americans. This is why grass roots conservatives speak out against the automatic citizenship provision of the 14th Amendment, it is not an “anti-immigrant” concern, it is a concern over the numerous government benefits involved which we all have to pay for, to the point of our economic collapse. Professional politicians griping about the same issue may or may not be as sincere. Too bad the hypocrisy of journalists pretending to be impartial doesn’t get more coverage.

1. The Pony went out of business after 18 months because it never got a government subsidy. - Referring to the PONY Express.

2. What you and so many refuse to see is there is no military solution to Iraq.  Withdrawing troops is the ultimate solution. -

3. President Bush didn't enlist in the National Guard. - George W. Bush enlisted in the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968.

4. After 9/11 when our NATO allies tried to invoke the mutual defense provisions of the NATO Treaty (for the first time in history) we turned them down.  -  At a special press conference, NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson announced that since it had been determined that the attacks had been directed from abroad, they were regarded as an action covered by Article 5 of the Washington Treaty
There is no evidence we turned down the Article 5 invocation. Lie.

5. ...we don't have a military doctrine for intervention in a civil war. - BD wrote SASO Doctrine not good enough..? SASO explained here.

6. President George Bush got all the votes he needed - they just happened to come from Justices of the US Supreme Court. ... You mean like when they made up the law in Bush v. Gore?

7. The made-up Bush Admin term is "enemy combatants."  - The Supreme Court used it in 1942.

8. What's the difference between Jane Fonda and Dick Cheney?  Jane Fonda went to Viet Nam. - Falsely attributed that to General Tommy Franks. Oops. He put a dash at the end of a sentence instead of a period. So it looked like his like sig joke was a continuation of the previous sentence. So not a lie, just a Stupid.

9. Tries to claim the 9th Circuit Court is not the most reversed by the Supreme Court. Schooled by Dee Bunk. & acaiguana & bassndude & misterbill & Unsane

10. You can not point to a single one of my NB replies where I started off insulting anyone. - He has been insulting on air personalities for years - Ann Falter BlunderRush Sheer Insanity Bull o'Really Lou Doggs Glumm Bleek

11. Sites such as this one spread misinformation... - Referring to NewsBusters.

12. Because Christians are treated very poorly in Israel.  There is a Jim Crow social system where Arabs are second class "citizens" (at best) - no matter how long they (and their families) have lived there.  Christians are not treated a whole lot better. -

13. The current Bush Administration is also a threat.  They have shredded the Bill of Rights and that scares me a great deal.

14. OK - an American citizen held without charges - let alone a trial.  Forever?  Until the President decides to let him go? - Referring to Jose Padilla. Jose Padilla went to trial and was found guilty.

15. An administration that thinks it can just make up national and international law as it goes along... - Referring to the Bush Administration.

16. ...the vast majority of scientists and other experts tell us climate change has a significant man-made element... 

17. Col. North was not "exhonerated."  His conviction was set aside based on his previous Congressional testimony - exonerated - 2 : to clear from accusation or blame. Sounds like the man was exonerated to me.

18. ...99.99% of the posters on this website...have no interest in learning anything new or unlearning anything they already know. - Note - Talking to a banned user.

19. These fools can't have an intelligent disagreement or conversation because most of them can't think, can't read, can just barely type and absolutely can't stand the slightest questioning of the group mythology. - Note - Talking to a banned user.

20. ...liberals tend to listen to a wide variety of media. Conservatives cluster around their self-reinforcing echo chambers.

21. And, by the way, from that wonderful coalition of the willing - how many nations remain?  And during its hayday, precisely how many troops did those - 18? 19? - willing allies contribute?  Was the total number equal to the Illinois National Guard contingent? - Total Non - U.S ~17,000 ** As of August 23, 2006, there were 21 non-U.S. military forces contributing armed forces to the Coalition in Iraq. ** The largest deployment of Illinois National Guard troops since World War II is preparing to head to Afghanistan...The 2,700 soldiers of the 33rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team...

22. The Future of Iraq Project never had a chance to go.

23. The President has been breattakingly incompetent in this entire affair. - Talking about President Bush and Iraq.

24. Remember when he said it was the first time US military forces had been commanded by a foreign general? About 200 years after the first time... - Nevermind that Stupid is referring to the American Revolution, prior to the country's being called the United States. The quote is unable to be sourced to Rush Limbaugh --   “For the first time in military history, U.S. military personnel are not under the command of United States generals.” (TV show, 4/18/94)

25. Claimed the Constitution allows Washington DC to elect full voting members of Congress. - Mr. Blumer shot that down. No response as usual.

26. If Bush II is not the most secretive Administration in American history, which is?

27. FYI - more corrupt administrations certainly include US Grant's and WG Harding's.  And Ronald Reagan's, of course...And the most famous document stuffer remains Fawn Hall - Col. North's secretary.  Oh - by the way - have Nancy Reagan and Col. North ever managed to get their stories straight about Iran Contra?

28. Mr. Tenant... (1.) Why did President Bush hire him? - Tenet held the position as the DCI from July 1997 to July 2004 (wikipedia) GWB started his Presidency in 2001.

29. Listed the statement from President Bush, “Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.” as overzealous.

30. And if President Bush is an adult he will accept responsibility for the actions of those who work for him. - Wait until he sees President Obama.

31. When Sen. Reid said "The war is lost" he was trying to say there is no military only solution. - A lie and a strawman argument. Who said there was a military only solution?

32. ...where in the US Constitution is the Supreme Court given the explicit power or responsibility to determine that laws passed by the Congress are constitutional? ... ...the US Constiution doesn't grant the Supreme Court the right to overturn laws passed by Congress...

32.5 One of the jobs of the US Supreme Court is to be sure new laws passed by Congress are Constitutional. - Lost track of his own lies.

33. ...there were folks who pointed out before this war that Iraq didn't have WMD. ... All the misinformation came from one source...

34. Claimed a Heratige Foundation Study that showed military enlistees are "better educated, wealthier, and more rural on average than their civilian peers." was no longer valid after 16 months.

35. Mr. Sheffield had to tell him to Tone it down several notches after yet another post insulting everyone here.

36. Look at the Conservatives protesting at military funerals... ... We have proof that radical Christian Conservatives protest at military funerals

37. ...a Republican-led House and Senate take control of marriage and driver's licenses...

38. Claimed a treaty that was signed with the Barbary Pirates is still in effect today. The Treaty was rewritten & signed 8 years after the first.

39. After Bull O'Really? announced the boycott of all goods French imports went up. - Wine sales in the very least were down.

40. ...he himself had called for nuking Iran. (Bill O'Reilly)

41. If you...support an administration that lives in fear of the truth - that's your choice.  If you support a President who stands before the American people and lies through his teeth - and then later says sure I lied I had no choice... (Bush administration)

42. How many of those other countries did we bribe or browbeat to join the COW? (Contributing soldiers to the Iraq Coalition)

43. Brought leftist slandering of Sen. Mccarthy. - Still waiting for slightest hint of disapproval over Stalin.

44. As to offshore drilling, if that were such a great idea why are 68,000,000 acres waiting to be explored with no takers? --- Debunked >> WSJ - The 'Idle' Oil Field Fallacy

45. We went over there under the guise of seeking genuine WMD... - The Congressional Resolution authorising the use of force in October 2002 listed 22 reasons. None of them come close to the J Frank Moonbat lie here.

46. Tried to imply some or all of the Swift Boat Veterans lied about being in Vietnam.

47. Claims a newspaper is not responsible for the content published on its front page.

48. Claimed the Bush Administration was worse than the prisoners held in Gitmo. - The worst of the worst may be found somewhat north of Cuba...

49. DoD data show 86% were purchased by the US Military. - Claims most prisoners in Gitmo were there after being sold for a bounty. Humblepie responded with the truth.

50. the Bush Administration has contended for some time that US law does not apply at Gitmo because they claim that military base is not part of the United States. - There were many issues raised about the PRISONERS at Gitmo. It was never said that U.S law did not apply at Gitmo.

51. What makes me a troll?  That I made a polite, reasoned, readable comment that presented a different point of view? - Yeah, that is how it works. You get to start over with every blog. Your entire history gets erased because you made nice in one post.

52. Credit-scoring has proven to be a remarkably poor predictor of residential mortgage borrower performance.

53. It's another lie, by the way, that Trinity Church gave Louis Farrakhan an award. - The magazine that Wright founded and is associated with the church did. It won't turn into a lie just because an idiot quibbles.

54. Claimed Dr. Elders remarks about teaching masturbation to schoolchildren was a myth. Cool Arrow shot down that little lie right quick.

55. Tried to defend then candidate Obama's misstatement on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Fail.

56. Tried to defend Sen. Schumer for causing a run in the bank at IndyMac. Fail. A $1.3 Billion run on the bank in about a week by the way.

57. How about entire idea of showing football games on television at all?  Is this really a sport? - Yea, let's get rid of the NFL because the stick up j frank wilson's butt tickles.

58. It's Fox News fault because an insane guy had some books by O'Reilly and Hannity in his house!!!! He also had a Curious George coloring book. Does that mean he - what does that mean?

60. The Nazis were socialists in name only. - Yes and J. Frank Wilson is sane in name only.

61. ...fascism is an economic theory - not a political one. --- definition from MW - fascism -often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime...

62. See, we only have one President of the United States at one time.  After they leave office, their titles revert to the highest title previously held. - Yeah, we hear so much about Governors Clinton, Carter, Reagan, & Bush.

63. In a list of what he claims are falsehoods >> The surge worked. We're really winning in Iraq - we really, really are.

64. How do you know Sen. Obama's remarks (sic) were "racial?"  Perhaps he was speaking about his age vs. those on our one and five dollar bills. - Then Senator Obama "Nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he's not patriotic enough. He's got a funny name. You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He's risky."  Yeah, Lying idiot, he was talking about McCanin and Bush making everyone scared of the young guy.
 

65. Mr. Sheppard gives the liar a spanking. Twice!

66. Claimed Senator McCain cheated at Reverend Warren's interview of Senators Obama and McCain.

67. And drilling there might bring the price of gasoline down six cents a gal. a decade from now. - Another false choice argument. Bringing down the price of oil is not the only reason to drill in ANWR.

68. Middle class income is up - actually, we're just about back to 2000 - a familiar date? - I corrected this lie here.

69. Sen. Obama is not radical.

70. Sen. Obama has demonstrated successful executive experience.

71. Those attorneys were fired purely for political reasons.  And that's against the law. - Referring to President Bush firing of 8 Attorneys General. Jack Bauer Show the statute. No response as usual.

72. The Bush Admnistration fought any independent oversight of the war in Iraq. - The President is Commander in Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces. Who is gonna be over the CinC, the guy put in charge by the Constitution?

73. As to how the US military and government "contractors" treated prisoners in the Middle East - sadly, torture and murder happened there as well.

74. Why don't conservatives refer to Sen. Obama as a civil rights attorney? - Can anyone name one case he won?

75. Whines because there was no evidence then Senator Obama was referring to Governor Palin when he made the lipstick comment. Then tells us National politics is for big kids.

76. If Gov. Palin's scheme to tax the "windfall" profits... isn't Socialism - what is it? - From the WSJ - Her plan includes an escalator clause that gives the state a larger share of revenues when oil prices rise. This is common to production-sharing agreements all over the world. 

 76.1...the Alaskan Resource Recovery Fund -  From the WSJ - Mrs. Palin's plan -- called "Alaska's Clear and Equitable Share" (ACES)

76.2 The "PDF" is is not Gov. Palin's windfall profits tax.  Her tax is on top of the PDF!  Another 50% or so. -  The tax was 10% when prices were low. 25% when they were high. Not 50%. And it replaced the old tax scheme.

76.3 dscott spanks the idiot over and over on this issue. 

77. According to ...McCain campaign is running tv ads titled "Fact Check."  The ad cites ..."Factcheck.org" as saying Sen. Obama's attacks on Gov. Palin were "completely false" and "misleading." - LIE LIE LIE. The ad shows a picture of Obama, does not say it was from the Obama campaign or Obama himself. Factcheck has the ad here. 78. CDOs were not comprised of Fannie and Freddie mortgages. - dscott link: Together these two companies amount to about 70% or so of the total secondary market for home mortgages in which mortgages are bought from the originating lenders and then packaged into tranches which are sold to investors in what is known as a Collateralized Debt Obligation (CDO).

79. Then there was the Oxley-Sorbanes accounting reforms - didn't do a bit of good for Fannie's and Freddie's abuses. - dscott: Fannie Mae and Freddic Mac (FMs) are not subject to sarbanes-oxley because it is a quasi-government institution.   80.  Lies?  Apparently you confuse me with Sen. McCain's campaign.

81. If this post doesn't prove that you are animated by extreme hatred, contempt and total negativity, I don't know what does... - Unattributed quote from Unsane

82. ...if our elected officials use private email accounts to avoid public disclosure (as the Bush White House did) --- from the WSJ: White House officials dispute the criticisms, saying the purpose of the RNC accounts has been to avoid running afoul of another federal law, the Hatch Act. It prohibits many federal officials from engaging in political activity on government time or with government resources.  Anyone remember the big big big Bush email scandal? Yeah, it went nowhere.

83. Cool Arrow schools the liar on the difference between a profits tax and a royalty. See item 76. The Alaska Constitution was amended to include a share of royalties.

84. The very lobbyists who blocked efforts to reform Fannie and Freddie. - ME: Now how in the name of all that is mushy does a lobbyist block anything? They have no regulatory, lawmaking, or law enforcing ability. --- no real response as usual.

85. ...Neil Cavuto came out on Fox New and just said it - what else do you expect when you make loans to minorities? - bastardization of a lie from Media Matters.

86.  I happen to agree with a good deal of what Rev. Wright said.

87. It's been more than proven that lower taxes increase tax revenue?  When was that?  Do you diet by eating more? ...it is mathmatically impossible for tax rate cuts to produce more overall revenue... - The Laffer Curve works.

88. ...it is subsidized by the citizens of the other 49 states because those companies deduct the cost of the tax from their income --- (talking about Alaska's Permanent Fund Dividend). The Alaska constitution was amended to pay citizens of Alaska royalties from it's resources. Yours truly has many royalty trusts in his IRA. Royalty trust payments are not taxed at all at the Federal or State level. And being in a tax exempt IRA, they are not taxed at all until yours truly starts drawing down his IRA in 20 years. Are the citizens of the other 49 states subsidizing me?

89. I don't think ClusterFox is ever going to mention this:... - The idiot then cut & pastes a story that was covered by FNC and foxnews.com.

89.1 I was referring to this ClusterFox tv story... - Would he be mentioning the story Fox News would never mention? Oops.

89.2 I pointed out to you the Fox tv story about the AZ homeowner that didn't bother to mention the ACLU --- Yeah, after getting caught in the lie that Fox would never cover the story at all. (Blonde hooks a troll, lets the line feed out, little more, little more, bit more, YANK! Troll is snagged and hanging on the wall 2 days later)

90. Didn't take you long to go all racist, did it?  ...  Keep those sheets in your closet... - Response to a post that was not even remotely racist. An obvious trolling lie. Oh wait... "BIT#&!" directed to a Black woman is racist. Really? Stupid directed at a troll is Pure Energy.

91. Fannie and Freddie did not purchase the subprime loans that have imploded - WSJ > Fannie and Freddie also acquired $2.2 trillion in subprime loans and private securities backed by subprime loans from 1997 to 2007.

91. He claimed Sen. McCain's story about Gen. Eisenhower in one of the debates was a lie.

92. In the early 1980s I worked for... Then Prop. 13 passed... --- Toneyuki: Prop 13 was passed in 1978.

93. It's obvious Mr. Cheney is one of - if not the - worst Vice Presidents in our history. - As obvious as a 100 time liar thinking someone will buy his propaganda?

94. Smear of Hannity,  North, & Freedom Foundation. Must be related to nwahs.

95. ...the majority of companies in the US pay no taxes. - Karma's link: The vast majority of firms in the study were tiny mom- and-pop enterprises. Why did the tiny mom-and-pop enterprises pay no taxes? Because they didn't make any money! ... The study found that about 75 percent of large companies (those with sales above $50 million) paid taxes in 2005, about typical for recent U.S. history.

96. US Military personnal have died because the equipment replacement and reserve funds were looted for pork projects.

97.  John McCain sponsored legislation to cut off funding for US military on active duty, serving in the field.

98. Is this the same "Great One" who thinks the state flag of Ohio is a "Special Obama flag?" - That was Bob Grant not Mark Levin.

99. Mr. Sheppard tells the liar to stay out of his blogs - Noel Sheppard: Would you do me a favor and cease and desist from commenting in threads associated with my articles? Your pompous presentation combined with your lack of knowledge on the subject is offensive, and I'd rather readers not be misinformed by such nonsense.

99.1 Mr. Sheppard schooling the liar: And this just demonstrates fully that you are either an idiot or a liar: http://www.ffiec.gov/hmda/newsletter.htm

99.2 He is both Mr. Sheppard.

100. "Boy" in reference to a black man is racist.  Period.  - Addressing a black man as boy is racist. Saying Sorry your boy Obama is... is not. boy: 3a : one native to a given place <local boy> b : fellow, person <the boys at the office>
 

101. Lies about Senator McCain just days before the election. I schooled him myself - Everybody stand up and give J Willy Frank a round of applause!

102. STUPID - The French Arcadians were in Nova Scotia. - Cool Arrow: Perhabs you were referring to Acadia, a region established in Canada...

103. Sen. Obama wrote his own book.

104. If you want to see the raised seal you have to turn the certificate over.  Hawaii (and other states) put it on the back. - A raised seal is the impression in a paper made by a stamp. It is visible and can be felt on both sides. The notary stamp is on the back no the raised seal. Source

105. I don't believe everything I see on YouTube - including "Black Panthers" in Philadelphia.  I think they were put-ups - fakes. More ...the folks you call "Black Panthers," what evidence do you have that is who those people were?

106. Caribou are not native to Alaska. - From his own link, the link he himself posted -  a project to introduce reindeer into the northern territory - REINDEER Scuba Dude schooled the idiot.

107. ...my understanding many of those Latin players got to the major leagues on H-1B visas. - Athletes come in on O-1, P-1, H-2, or B-1/B2 Visas. (B1/B2 for no pay events such as Olympics)

108. I think Bull O'Really's? flag lapel pin in probably illegal. -- U.S Code - Title 10 - Chapter 36 - SS 176 > The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

109.  Gov. Palin is bragging about the natural gas pipeline.  Where is the gas to fill it? - Yea, we always build multi-million dollar pipelines without haveing a clue about what sources will fill it.

110. If NewsBusters doesn't like the so-called "liberal" media, why not just ignore them? - Somebody missed the entire point of the site.

111. Claims George W. Bush refuses to release his DD-214. GWB served in the Texas Air National Guard. Only active duty members serparating from the federal armed forces would get a form from the Department of Defense (the DD of DD-214).

1. Crazed birthiers continue to demand a document that doesn't exist (kinda like George Bush's final DD-214).

2. I specifically referred to his final DD-214.  I waded through several of the links you provided.  Certainly didn't see it. - Cobraman provided a link to the TANG separation paper.

3. How about George Bush's final DD-214?  And other records of his military service.
  4. If you've seen George Bush's final DD-214, please share it with us. If pointing out I made a mistake regarding the name of Federal government form... - He got the name of the Federal form correct. GWB was never eligible for that form. 

112. Mr. Obama is President of the United States, and deserves the respect of any holder of that office.  Just as Gov. Bush did. - Idiot still can't understand you call former Presidents former President. Respect like the liar had in Lies # 6 7 13 15 21 23 26 27 28 30 41 42 48 49 63 ?

113. - The McCain birther. -- You claim "When McCain BC and citizenship came up he cleared it up." Nope.  It was done for him by his friends in the United States Senate.

113.1 What did Sen. McCain do?  Let his friends in the Senate pass a law that he is a natural born citizen? - The Senate passed a resolution. Resolutions do not carry the force of law.

113.2 I never suggested Sen. McCain was not a "natural-born citizen" of the United States.  Besides, since the US Congress settled that by what I would consider to be a private bill, it's moot.

113.3 If Mr. McCain's status as a natural-born citizen was not in question, why did Congress pass the private bill that stated he was?  - It was a resolution not a private bill. The exact resolution is here.

113.4 Of course you missed where I wrote "what amounts to..."  - Yes. The direct quote is above. He said the private bill

114.  I find it amusing that the Bush Administration made the claim that the Guantanamo Bay military base is not part of the United States.  - Treaty of 1934

In all provisions regarding the Guantanamo area, the original agreement (February 1903) and the supplementary agreement were later confirmed by the Treaty of 1934 between the United States and Cuba, signed at Washington on 29 May 1934. A copy is appended for reference. This treaty has the effect of giving the United States a perpetual lease on this reservation, capable of being voided only by our abandoning the area or by mutual agreement between the two countries. (source)

Sounds like leased land from Cuba to me.

115. Then's there's George Bush's election - when the rules for voting in the State of Florida were appealed to the US Supreme Court. That was a first. And the Court ruled its decision could not be used as a precedent?

116. Timothy H schools him when his claim of average is proven wrong, the idiot suddenly starts talking mean instead of average.

117. Cordoba was a Roman temple (Christian? I rather doubt it) and the Alhambra was a small castle or fort. - NL207: "[The Great Mosque of Cordoba] was begun in approximately AD 600 as the Christian Visigothic church of St. Vincent."

118. Traditionally, Muslims have been quite tolerant of "The People of The Book" - Christians, Jews and, of course, Muslims.

119. So you claim Mr. Soros sent Jews to the death camps? http://mediamatters.org/research/201009200038 You've been pawn'd.  Again. - Brings a Media Matters lie here.  George Soros DID collaborate with the NAZIS.

120. Mr. Gladney made his story up.  His own attorney dropped him. - There is video and the case is proceeding.

121. Students can pray on their own. - Unsane quotes from the Supreme Court ruling that says they can't.

122. The best generals win without fighting. - Claims that is a quote from Sun Tzu. I provide the proper quotes here. Not even close.

123. If your premise is that the world hasn't changed since 1789, you support slavery, women not having the right to vote, the direct election of US Senators, etc.? - Believe in the Constitution Originalism? This is what you get from the idiot.

124. ...remarkable example of spin to claim that redlining "discourages [Federally regulated lenders]...from restricting their credit services to low-risk markets..."  - motherbelt: ...as Dr. Williams explains,  that the practice of "restricting...credit services to low-risk markets" is the definition of redlining.

125. Lenders who simply refuse to lend ... shouldn't have access to cheap Fed funds (including deposit insurance). - JWF: Banks pay into the DIF (FDIC insurance fund) and would be taken over by the FDIC if they were liquidated. So banks would never have access to FDIC money. The FDIC is also independent from the Fed and its funds.

126. The Boston Tea Party was held because the British lowered the importation tax on tea - not because they raised it. - They lowered the tax on tea IN GREAT BRITAIN and RAISED it in the colonies.  source

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/09/26/cbs-commentary-Sysci-fi-s-mcgibney-attacks-ben-stein-greedy-doesn-t-car#ixzz10uKwUREK

127. The Framers didn't quite figure it all out, so Justice Marshall decided to give the Supreme Court an additional role... - From AT --- From the very beginning, it has been understood that this 'judicial Power' includes the power 'to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void.'  These words come from Federalist No. 78...

128. You claim I misquoted "The Art of War"...Do you have every translation?  I've got over half a dozen in my library.  Have you read all those?  If you haven't, how can you possibly claim my quote is incorrect? - Catch that? I have to read at least 7 books in HIS library in order to prove he is misquoting. I also requested he pull the quote from one of his translations. 26Sep2010. Still waiting for that quote.

129. You claim I didn't quote Gen. Eisenhower correctly.  Then you quote what he wrote proving I was right and Sen. McCain wasn't. - Wrong. Here is number 91 again >>> 91. He claimed Sen. McCain's story about Gen. Eisenhower in one of the debates was a lie.

130. Remember the petition they sent the good King George?  Ben Franklin, as I recall, took it to London.  And the King refused to even see him. - I provided 3 sources that shows Ben Franklin went to petition the King in 1757 for the right to levy taxes and was successful.

130.1 The Olive Branch Petition was sent to England in 1775.  Mr. Franklin signed it - he didn't take it.  I was wrong about who attempted to deliver it. - He did not mention the petition name. He did mention Mr. Franklin bringing the petition. This only after I correct him. What are we mind readers?

131. When Caesar Chavez founded the United Farm Workers... three lies in one. 1. Cesar Chavez, correct spelling. 2. Chavez CO-FOUNDED not founded. 3. Chavez co-founded the National Farm Workers Association which later merged with another union to become the United Farm Workers. Source - wikipedia

132. He'll never admit he's wrong - n-e-v-e-r.  Doesn't have the guts to man up to any of his countless mistakes. - Referring to yours truly. Shouldn't someone find a mistake or two before they lose count? The idiot hasn't found one.

133. ...ACORN has been wrongly accused of turning in fraudulent registration forms. - RealVet:  ACORN was thumped in 14 states for fraudulent registration. There's more about it here.

I strongly support Sen. Obama and have for quite some time.

  Done. Done. Done. 110 lies are NewsBusters. Got to be some kind of record. 

Lies -

1. there are powerful organizers behind the town hallers 2. The Taliban are addicting American soldiers on cheap Heroin... - Must be some magical heroin that cannot be detected by urinalysis that U.S forces have been subjected to for 30 years 3. those speaking against healthcare reform at the townhalls are rather dimwittedly repeating idiotic talking points fed to them by shameless, propogandist, anti-Americans. 4. Social Security is not almost bankrupt, nor is Medicare, nor Medicaid.  5.  MSNBC...have the coveted 18 to 54 year old demographic watching them. - I linked to the truth. No response. 6. Bush and Cheyney made one of the widest, if not the widest, ranging Executive Branch power grabs in US History.  7. Proper Healthcare is a Right... 8. Bush's entire presidency was a spectacular failure.  9. Bush...proved America couldn't depend on a "Republican" government to aid in a crisis. 10. Joe Wilson is lying. 11. There has not been a single instance of voter fraud  in this country (illegal aliens registering to vote) - Restless1 proved this was a lie. Here too. 12. Palin is a plain liar... 13. Obama never said unemployment wouldn't go over 8%.  - His administration did.  14. ...the dissembling presented by this blogger, Noel Sheppard....the propaganda perpatrated on this blog - Mr. Sheppard is a liar now? 12. the right wing press was...trumping  up nonsensical accusations about Acorn 13. your claims that "he taught community organizing for ACORN'...you're just repeating propaganda lies... -  "Through both funding and personal-leadership training, Obama supported ACORN."  --- NRO 14. ...that any more than 10's of thousands of teapartiers showed up in DC.  No one presented that evidence since it simply did not exist - 9/12/2009 protest in Washington D.C. 200,00 extra people rode the metro. "those lower six-figure figures (anywhere from 100,000 to about 250,000) seem to be pretty plausible." - Reason 15. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before US troops got there... - NB covered this in 2008. Ask Abu Musab al-Zarqawi where he was before the invasion. Oops. Can't. We killed him. 16. We always were, and still are, fighting a civil war there. (Iraq) 17. ...we went to war based on the speculations of unnamed officials in the Bush Administration... All of Bush's reasons for going to war turned out to be false (or lies...
18. There was no Yellow Cake Uranium from Niger in Iraq either. - No one said there was. Saddam was SEEKING Yellow Cake from Niger. 19. Don't believe in AGW? You are a flat earther. Really. Honest. Serious. All of you are flat earthers. Did I mention you are all flat earthers? Flatty flat flat flat earthers. 20. The jury is not out on Climate Change science. - Lying about AGW is his forte. He repeats this claim in various forms more than any other lie.  21. The Bush Administration released a report...determined unequivocally that oil speculators were responsible for the spike in oil prices -   The CFTC reported it. Congress created the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) in 1974 as an independent agency 22. Idiot son Georgie cowered in Texas behind the walls of his National Guard Barracks...  

23. He's not a licensed plumber (Joe the plumber) - You don't have to be licensed if you work for a licensed plumber in Ohio.

24. he didn’t tell the truth (Joe the plumber)- Really? Anyone know what that was?  

25. Lieberman said the exact same thing about McCain that Biden said about Obama  - (referring to Biden saying Obama will be tested within 6 months in office) 26. Teabag protesters Neo Cons Faux News neocons wing nuts 27. He was sitting in a classroom with schoolchildren on 9/11 reading "My Pet Goat".  When told by Andrew Card that "the second World Trade Center tower had been hit and that America was under attack", he sat there frozen for 7 minutes, not having any idea what to do in the circumstance  - Were the President's thoughts broadcast? How did the liar 007memo know? 28. You've called me a liar, but you have never proven me a liar.  Not once. Not ever. - Except for the 30 here. Still counting... 29. Bush/Cheyney promote 90% heroin production in Afghanistan... 30. BTW, Bush failed in Iraq and Afghanistan... Bush failed in Iraq... 31. the Obama conspiracies are embraced by right wing media, Congresmen and Senators...do the 9/11 Truthers have a major media network like FOX, and countless rght wing talk radio hosts like Limbaugh, supporting and promoting the whacked out wing nut conspiracies?  Not to mention the despicable right wing Congressmen and Senators that promote the lies. 32. The respectable version...goes like this: The 9/11 attacks were merely an early strike in a war against the United States. This war is being carried out by something called Radical Islam, of which the al-Qaida terrorist network is one small branch....should not obscure the fact that it is a paranoid fantasy of the first order... 33. the paranoid conspiracy theorists currently in charge of American foreign policy continue to appear regularly on network television...
34. See, Durbin never actually "called our troops 'Nazis... 35. Dismissed as lies 8 points from reelman45. general company quickly proves all 8 dismissals were lies. 36. All Americans wanted Bush to succeed... 37. Severely edited Limbaugh misquotes.  38. Republicans are so inclusive in their white bread party... 39. 40. ...the Democratic party shed their racist southern wing to the Republican party in 1964 with that Civil Rights Act... ... The Racist Dems subsequently left the Democratic party for the Republican Party 41. Most of whom hate me and call me names, quite simply, because I have a different opinion than them... (Reffering to other posters) - No. Because you lie.
  42.  ...Rush Limbaugh is race baiting the racists... ... This is a favorite meme of Girlyman. He has said variations on this Rush is racist meme dozens of times. 43. But the fact remains that she wasn't a racist. (Margaret Sanger) - Oh yes she was. Another favorite meme of Girlyman. When Girlyman says the word facts, guaranteed what follows is a lie. 44. I find little "intellectual" honesty ... on this site. - Yea. We are all dishonest. This coming from the Girlyman that has lied 43 times with more coming.
45. You actually "perceive" that Fox isn't a propaganda arm of the Republican Party? 46. It was under the watchful eye of Bush and the Republican Congress that we became a debtor nation to China. - Anyone and Everyone is free to buy U.S Treasury bonds. Are we now to outlaw just one nation on the planet from holding our bonds? Of course, I said that in the original blog. Ignored. 47. Bush was weak in the world's leader's eyes. 48. 195,000 Killed/YR by Malpractice... - Yea, 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S if you believe him. I created a woodshed forum for this one. 49. I was under the impression that insurance companies rarely settle malpractice claims. It’s been a few years since I visited this subject, but I used to know it intimately. - I know, he said impression but he used it to call another user a liar - more - We asked about an out of court settlement, but the attorneys said the Insurance Companies never settle medical malpractice cases out of court. Ding Ding Ding! LIE. Approximately 96% of the time, the victim''s lawyer and the doctor''s insurance claims adjuster will negotiate medical malpractice settlements out of court.  96% equals never now? 50. (Kathleen) Parker, was the darling of the right until she criticized Palin... 51. ...that fool Chavez.  The Marxist Dictator that Bush built... 52. Bush cut taxes - the World Melted Down. 53. It's the Wall Street swindlers themselves that receive all of the aid. 

54. I'm pretty sure of my stat that the middle class did not benefit significantly from those Reagan Tax Cuts. - Somebody check.

55. I'm also pretty sure the wealthiest 5% (or is it 1%) amassed 40% of the nations wealth by the year 2000, versus holding just 20% of that wealth in 1980. - Total Net Worth - Top 1% - 1983 > 33.8%  --- 2007 > 34.6%    Financial Wealth  - Top 1% - 1983 > 42.9%   2007 > 42.7%   IT WENT DOWN NOT DOUBLED. 56.  How many of you still believe that those aluminum tubes were definitively for use in creating nuclear weapons?  - Straw man. The U.N did not permit Iraq to import them as they COULD be dual use. 57. You do know that Wall Street is still an unregulated wild wild, west, don't you? 58. Lack of regulation and government oversight permitted Mortgage Companies to perpetrate this massive fraud. - Anyone know why we have a government? Looks like they don't pass any laws or regulations.
59. But you would be hard pressed to find many economists that wouldn't agree that the way out of the abyss was to spend, spend, spend. - So government won't regulate or pass laws but spending OK!!!! - more - Spending out of a recession and depression is considered sound theory...  60. ...it was our dependence on the free markets to make every economic wrong right that allowed the crash to happen in the first place.
61. 50% of mortgage applications were fraudulent. - Timespan for this lie? Nope. Looks like all of them for all time. Repeat that. The fact it that 50% of the mortgage applications processed by private morgage companies were fraudulent ... 50% the mortgage applications you process are fraudulent  - This lie is repeated a lot.

62. As for cutting taxes, at times of crises, tax cuts are not considered stimulating.

63. All four branches of the Government at the time were Republican; The House, the Senate, Supreme Court and The President. - Is there a new constitution we did not hear about? 64. In Japan they have universal health care, it doesn't cost Toyota anything for health care...  - It's important to note that the system is not 'free' as Americans seem to occasionally think.  People are required to pay for the coverage.  However, the cost is calculated on a sliding scale (very much like social security in the US) and it tops out... 65. untold millions of corporate dollars being sucked out and funneled to the Republican Party 66. He called Jack Bauer a liar (link or slink) when JB claimed 50,000 have been killed by CAFE standards. -- I linked. Girlyman slinked (no response) 67. And heavier SUV's don't translate to better safety for all of their drivers...

68. ...it was the "Free Markets" that nearly destroyed our Economy...

69. He is been spelling the former Vice President Cheney's name as Cheyney for a year and a half. Not so much a lie as a severe case of teh Stupids.

70. Inhofe is a buffoon.

71. Tired of being called a flat earther? How about denier. Yes, just like the holocaust deniers.

72. ...the right wingers have convinced you people that all Scientists are Librul, therefore you can't believe what scientists say.

73. ...middle class wages have remained stagnant over the last 20 or more years.  - I busted this lie here > How Laffer, Free-markets, and conservative economic policies have made the middle class stronger.

74. ...Newsbusters has to trump up nonsense as supposed proof of MSM liblrul bias.

75. ...he dismissed the evidence with "the Wall Street Journal isn't conservative". -- He quoted another user. I can't find that quote on this site.

76.  There sure is a load of hate spewing from you "Christians".

77. ...since 2001 and there is less chance of an exaggerated backlash toward Muslim Americans now.  - Can someone tell me when there was ever an exaggerated backlash?

78.  ...the VFW, the largest Veterans group -- The American Legion is the nation's largest. http://www.legion.org/about

79. Napolitano never said any such thing. (Referring to veterans returning from the Middle East possibly being radical)  - Her department put out the report that stated so. Napolitano said, "We do not mean to suggest that veterans as a whole are at risk of becoming violent extremists." 

80. There was lack of regulation and lack of policing by the Federal Government - leaving BP to do as it pleased.

81. There are also Government regulations that BP failed to follow which caused this disaster. - Don't this contradict the statement in lie # 80?

82. ...the Bush Administrations goal and mission was to dismantle the very departments responsible for oversight and mitigation of this disaster... 

83. You presented the opinon of Mark Levin as fact. -- Mr. Levin was reading DIRECTLY from the Clean Water Act as amended -- "The President shall institute means for the removal of an oil discharge and mitigation or prevention of the threat of a discharge..."

84. ...Bush decimated Environmenal agencies including MMS, that's a fact -- EPA Budget in 2001 $7.83 Billion. EPA Budget in 2009 $7.64 Billion. Personnel in 2001 17.5 thousand. Personnel in 2009 16.98 thousand. Sound like DECIMATED to you?

85.  ...Bush decimated Environmenal agencies including MMS, that's a fact - Twofer. " The MMS is not an environmental agency. The Minerals Management Service (MMS), a bureau in the U.S. Department of the Interior..." from the MMS home page.

86. ...here at NB and many other righty sites I visit, acceptance of whacked out conspiracies as truth are routinely accepted, and celebrated.

87. A list of lies as well as Straw Man and other fallacious arguments masquerading as right wing conspiracy theories.

88. The guy simply makes no sense whatsoever.   His rants are full of non sequiturs.  He bizarrely draws parallels and conclusions that are thoroughly illogical. (Glenn Beck)

89. ...the NY Fed Bank (which is a private bank)  - The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

90. Dismisses outside sources from other users as racist or right wing. While he links to known sources of lies like Media Matters or the Southern Poverty Law Center.

91. We had a Republican president along with that Majority Congress for 7 of Bush's 8 years in office.  We had a Republican Supreme Court for all of those years. - I musta been taught wrong. a six looks like this >>>> 6. So, after 14 years of a Republican controlled Congress... Wow, my schooling was way off. Twelve looks like this >>>> 12.

92. ...how important illegals are to the US Economy today and how they were even more important during times of full employment.  Here's one example of that utter dependence... ... From their site:  "Agriculture in the United States is dependent on an immigrant workforce... - Catch that? His own source says immigrant not illegal immigrant.

93. The only alternative Obama had was to throw money at the Economic Meltdown Crisis. - False Choice argument just like his hero Obama.

94. ...we should be offering Medicare for all since it is tremendously efficient - Is that why the President himself wants to eliminate $500 Billion in waste and fraud?

95. 9 years and counting - US still can't defeat 3rd world backwater. ... After 9 years you think you might get it through your thick skulls that this war ain't never gonna be won. - This is just bile raising. Nothing more.

96. ...try listening to Rush, Beck et als or go to a tea party meeting to find plenty of right wing racism.

97. US labor laws do not distinguish between legals and illegals, illegals must be paid minimum wage. -- Red Herring. They should not be hired at all.  It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work.

98. ...1972... That was the last time I voted for either a Republican or a Democrat, though I vote in every local, state, and national election.  --- LOON. Must be tough being a loon in a country with a 2 party system.

99. Learn the law - illegals have the exact same rights as citizens. -- They have many of the same protections not rights. Illegal aliens can't vote or bear arms among other rights listed in the Constitution.

100. Too many lies about Sherrod to list.

101. ...it was during the Bush Administration that the Justice Department decided not to criminally prosecute any member of the NBP - Red Herring. They brought a civil suit.  Oops. Turn it into a LIE time - it was the Bush DOJ that dropped the Criminal Case  -- Make up your mind. Did the decline or drop the case?

102. No one has come forward to say they were intimidated by the NBP -

103. The Obama DOJ...succesfully obtained an injunction against Shabbazz. they did in fact get an injunction against him --  B-townGiant called this lie - The case against the NBPP was dropped AFTER THE GOVERNMENT WON THE CASE but prior to sentencing.

104. You mean Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity.  Those three stooges?

105.  ...Wall street is decidedly Republican. --- See my response and links there.

106. I've made my opinions clear about the corrupt McGreevy Adminsitration and NJ Dems on other pages of NB. -- Girlyman has never mentioned McGreevy at NewsBusters. EVAH.

107. ...the economy nearly melted down during the Christie Administration. -- Christie took office as Governor of New Jersey on January 19, 2010. So the economy melted down in the 7 months since Jan of this year?

108. So let' not pretend that this is anything but a flack propoganda piece, as dictated to Newsbuster blogger, Matt Cover - Calling another contributor a liar.

109. And if Obama hadn't stepped in to save GM, GM would have ceased to exist. --  False Choice fallacious arguemnt. I dispelled it here.

110. I try not to call commenters names unless they call me names first. - Full list of his insults in that very forum >>> ...you are as clueless...disjointed, idiotic rebuttal is, well, idiotic...his idiocy...a deranged stalker idiot...stalker trool...offensive, juvenile and whacked...epic fail...nutty claim...preposterous...monkeys fly out of jwf's buttal...whacked out wing nuts... wing nutty...Captain of Wing Nutty...whacked out wing nutty pronouncements...crawl out of his hole...wing nutty views...your stinky carp "Kentucky Tuna"...faux macho, psuedo patriotism...wing nut crap...impotent, cowardly blowhard... wing nut...wing nut...wing nuts...He's whacked...supreme, dissembling charlatan...two bit racist accusations...wing nutty website...sheer idiocy...pure idiocy...no innelectul honesty...simply dumb...supreme idiot...psuedo jounalists at Fox...wing nuts...you are an idiot...Stupid is as stupid does...stone cold idiots... two trools...shoddy... Faux Friends Show...trools...most preposterous conspiracy crap...

111.

zevmo: Prove to me how Laffer, Free-markets, and Conservative economic policies over the last 30 years have made the middle-class stronger.

Table H-3. Mean Household Income Received by Each Fifth and Top 5 Percent, All Races: 1967 to 2008 in 2008 CPI-U-RS adjusted dollars.

Lowest Quintile - From $10722 in 1980 to $11656 in 2008

2nd Quintile - From $26687 in 1980  to $29517 in 2008

3rd Quintile - From $44037 in 1980  to $50132 in 2008

4th Quintile - From $64877 in 1980  to $79760 in 2008

Final Quintile - From $115675 in 1980  to $171058 in 2008

Done. Looks like everyone in the United States is a winner. Not just the middle class.

This is the third time you and I been in the woodshed liberallies and everytime we emerged as friends and hope it will stay this way. I have called out others in the past, but unlike others you enjoy confrontation and I am sure you will respond I like you fut, I really do, but how come all your comebacks always include a false accusation and asking 3 questions of your own? I don't enjoy debating you and it is not fun, but I want to clear this up. Please respond when you can. Please excuse even worse grammar than before, this is on a I phone