'Holiday' is better
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'Christmas' is better
75% (4053 votes)
Both are fine
23% (1242 votes)
I don't use either
1% (34 votes)
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Your Opinion of 'Happy Holidays' vs. 'Merry Christmas''Holiday' is better 1% (52 votes) 'Christmas' is better 75% (4053 votes) Both are fine 23% (1242 votes) I don't use either 1% (34 votes) Total votes: 5381 | |
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woo hoo 1 vote
December 20, 2007 - 20:00 ET by red_dragon311woo hoo 1 vote 100%
"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin
Merry Christmas
December 20, 2007 - 20:14 ET by viluzionIt sounds better to me somehow with a "y'all" at the end, so Merry Christmas y'all.
Merrry Christmas
December 20, 2007 - 20:31 ET by PShannonAfter all, it is Christmas time.
But I also wish folks a Happy Chanukah if I know they are Jewish or point it out.
Since Muslims don't speak to kaffir, I don't have to worry about Eid.
Atheists, they can go howl at the moon or whatever it is they do.
Hey.... I'm not a Christian
December 21, 2007 - 15:35 ET by liberal_bug_zapperHey.... I'm not a Christian and I still love Christmas.... I even love going to midnight Mass at the local Catholic church... the music is wonderful... I just love a good rendition of Ave Maria.
Only Socialist Athiests are the kind that bark at the moon... and they are the enemy to all freedom loving people.
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"Roses are reddish Violets are bluish If it weren't for Christmas We'd all be Jewish." ~ Benny Hill
they are both fine
December 20, 2007 - 20:36 ET by botgChristmas is a Holy-day.
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
i hate the liberals for
December 20, 2007 - 20:43 ET by jdubi hate the liberals for making me support X-mas..I'm a Christian and I dont and have not ever celebrated Christmas...wont go in to why. But Christmas basically goes against alot of what I believe, but most Christians celebrate Christmas so when the liberals attack Christmas it is an attack on Christianity...So I am an Anti-Christmas Christian who Defends Christmas...what have they done to me....*sob*
I say Merry Christmas, but
December 20, 2007 - 20:46 ET by balboaI say Merry Christmas, but I'm not offended in any way by Happy Holidays. Whatever floats your boat.
Merry Christmas
December 20, 2007 - 20:51 ET by Emma GrumpI grew up saying Merry Christmas, and, despite the recent multicultural diversity sensitivity epidemic sweeping the world, I still say it every chance I get. To my Jewish friends, I still wish them Happy Holidays, but if I don't know you, it's always going to be .....
MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!
If anyone tells me they are offended, I simply tell them that I am offended that they are offended.
It depends on who I am speaking to
December 20, 2007 - 20:52 ET by PamIf I know the person, I say "Merry Christmas", but if I am unsure, I just say "Happy Holidays"....I could care less which one is used, as it is the good wishes towards the person that are what matter..
Merry Christmas
December 20, 2007 - 20:54 ET by bigtimerMerry Christmas
As a business owner, I tell
December 20, 2007 - 20:56 ET by JABAs a business owner, I tell all of my customers "Merry Christmas", regardless of their religious affiliation. It is my way of telling them how I percieve religion and where I stand on the subject. To my knowledge I have not lost one customer in 20+ years of business because of it.
I do have many customers that wish me "Happy Holidays" because of their company's PC policy but I still do not take offence to that either. Can't we just all get along....during the holiday's at least.
God Bless and Merry Christmas to you all. May God Bless you and yours each and every day of this up coming New Year. Sincerely, JAB
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
...Back at you and
December 20, 2007 - 21:01 ET by bigtimer...Back at you and yours JAB...
BT, Get your hands off that
December 20, 2007 - 21:12 ET by JABBT, Get your hands off that key board and back on that snow shovel...now. Please excuse me while I go take my boat out in the boat parade (I was only kidding about the boat parade departure, that was last weekend), Ask Blonde to verify our weather, I'm not lying. Love ya mean it :-)
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
JAB... Boo-Hoo! I am so
December 20, 2007 - 21:28 ET by bigtimerJAB...
Boo-Hoo! I am so sick of long cold winters and the snow-shovelin'...
Oh I have a glorious memory of being at the boat show in California with my Aunt and Uncle who lived on theirs for over 30 years, of course they upgraded the boat with time by importing a gorgeous one from Maine...it was one of the most beautiful wondrous things I have ever experienced....the decorations and such is indescribable...
Thanks for bringing that back in my mind and good times...
By the way have a prosperous New Year with your business.
bt...
December 21, 2007 - 15:41 ET by Clear thinkerMove south at the first opportunity. You would be welcomed here with open arms.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Ct... You never know I
December 21, 2007 - 15:48 ET by bigtimerCt...
You never know I just may do that....thanks friend.
Btw, bt, why do people
December 23, 2007 - 13:13 ET by MikeBBtw, bt, why do people choose to live in that type climate?
Of course, there are those folks who think it great fun to strap a couple of sticks to their feet and aim themselves downhill at a tree.
Why can't they do something sensible like this?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
MikeB
December 23, 2007 - 13:26 ET by botgpictures of one of my favorite places thanks
ps i worked with a guy who climbed the face in the background without ropes in one day.
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
In my only trip to
December 23, 2007 - 13:51 ET by MikeBIn my only trip to California, I climbed Truck 'n' Drive on Lembert Dome. The climb is on the left in this photo. I also wanted to climb the Dike Route on Pywiac Dome, but ran out of time. Ah, the exuberance of youth!
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
MikeB
December 23, 2007 - 14:13 ET by botgi am a hiker not a climber. But we stayed at Tuolomme Meadows across the street for 5 days. Hiking up to Lake Elizabeth back down and up the backside of Lembert was a good first day to get acclimated. Jog or race walk to get the heart pumping. All day hikes, the 3rd day we started at Lake Tanaya 5am, over clouds rest, over the backside of Half Dome, and into the valley. (about 24 miles)
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
And, Mike, there are those of us who enjoy winter camping
December 23, 2007 - 13:26 ET by RJ....no bugs, for example. :^)
I was born in Florida (and my family remains there), but I hate the endless humidity.
RJ
December 23, 2007 - 13:32 ET by botgyears ago we packed over Mt Monadnock in June the black flys were thick even with more Cutter than recommended
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
I've climbed Modnadnock a few times, botg. Did you know
December 23, 2007 - 13:43 ET by RJthat "Besides being the most popular mountain in America, Grand Monadnock is known as the most climbed mountain in the world. That doesn't mean you won't find some quiet areas to enjoy alone on the mountain. Just don't expect to be alone when you reach the summit"?
In fact, we just climbed it again last month....beautiful views all the way up and down.
and more of them
December 23, 2007 - 13:58 ET by botgwith the leaves gone
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
JAB - sounds like a good
December 20, 2007 - 21:14 ET by SouthernRootsJAB - sounds like a good practice.
I typically don't mind either phrase, except for when a proclamation is made that "Merry Christmas" is banned because it could offend someone, then I take a dislike to "Happy Holidays".
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. - J.B. Books (John Wayne)
SouthernRoots, Thank You
December 20, 2007 - 21:26 ET by JABSouthernRoots, Thank You for taking the time to make my point more poinent, because that's what I was saying.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
That pretty well nails it
December 21, 2007 - 09:13 ET by BeowulfThat pretty well nails it SouthernRoots. I feel exactly the same. This time of year does include holidays from religions other than Christian, and I have no problem wishing people of other faiths well with their particular holidays. But when "Happy Holidays" is used specifically as a PC play, I have SERIOUS problems with it. I am feeling a surfeit of satisfaction watching many big companies reverting to Merry Christmas after watching their sales fall off the last couple of years. I said back then that whoever is running these companies and making policy had little or no business sense. When 95% of your customer base is Christian and you're worried about "offending" a percentage of that remaining 5% to the detriment of the 95%, you need to rethink your policy.
It also goes to prove how commercialized these companies truly are. They have absolutely no principles at all. If they truly believed in their PC BS, they would sacrifice profits for their beliefs (like the major print news continues to do). But as soon a they see a serious enough loss of profit, they cave. I love it.
So Happy Hanukkah, Happy Ramadan, a joyous season for whatever other holiday you may recognize, And a very Merry Christmas to all. May next year be a better year for us all.
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
It's funny
December 20, 2007 - 21:00 ET by BlondeI arrived in the midwest last nite....all here are cheerily wishing everyone Merry Christmas.
At home in Florida...it's Happy Holidays.
Maybe botg will let us know what they say in California...."be cool, dudes?"
I suppose it just depends on where one is, and what level of "politcal correctness" is the norm. Sad.
Anyway...time for the traditional Christmas dinner, Blonde style...Jumbo Stone Crabs (much idiocy concerning transport of same via the airlines...sheesh!).
Merry Christmas to all my NB pals here!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
A Floridian in the midwest in Dec???
December 20, 2007 - 22:06 ET by UnsaneBlonde,
You're in the midwest?
Took your parka with you? :-)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Californians
December 21, 2007 - 00:19 ET by ChaitealoverHi Blonde,
I live in the same SoCal city as botg, so I'll tell you what I hear the most around here: "Merry Christmas." There's some "Happy Holidays," but I personally take that to include New Year's Day, so it's ok.
There's no telling what they say in San Francisco, though, that's a whole different world.
Chai
“There are no hopeless situations; There are only men who have grown hopeless about them.”—Clare Boothe Luce
SF
December 21, 2007 - 02:38 ET by Glidedon"There's no telling what they say in San Francisco, though, that's a whole different world."
They say: Got Vaseline?
I assume you took the crabs
December 21, 2007 - 07:31 ET by danboI assume you took the crabs in carry on. (I wouldn't want to wear clothes packed with crabs.) Going through security with a bag of crabs should be a youtube kind of event.
We use blue crabs rather than stone crabs. Are stone crabs the ones where you use just the claw?
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
dan
December 21, 2007 - 16:00 ET by BlondeOh, it was a tale of woe...I buy stone crabs from a local place that is the most wonderful seafood shop on the planet (here)...they packed up my stone crabs (and oysters) in a nice styrofoam cooler w/cold packs, and then boxed the cooler. They informed me that the TSA would probably take the cold packs away.
I checked the box, which they undid and pawed through, alright. They had no problem with the cold pack, but with the styrofoam cooler! I've since been informed it's due to some gas that the styrofoam gives off that spoofs the explosive sniffing devices. After much moaning and groaning, and signing a waiver, they finally let it through.
Fortunately, all arrived and nice and cold...scrumcious dinner. And yes, the stone crabs are the ones where you eat just the claw...we had jumbos...2 - 3 count per pound (see the pic in the link).
Merry Christmas, dan.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I voted for XMas Only only
December 20, 2007 - 21:05 ET by Roger the ShrubberI voted for XMas Only only because of my disgust towards the politically-correct bullsh*t that we have to deal with on a daily basis. Thank you, progressive douchbags.
What's funny
December 20, 2007 - 21:09 ET by Matthew SheffieldI don't know any non-liberal atheists/agnostics who are offended by "Christmas."
The only people who complain are whiney, white liberals with a candy cane up their you know where.
You are obviously referring
December 20, 2007 - 21:14 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou are obviously referring to the left nostril, correct?
Rog, Betcha' that is the
December 20, 2007 - 21:22 ET by bigtimerRog,
Betcha' that is the incorrect orifice Matthew was referring to...lol..
Merry Xmas to you and all of those you love.
GEEZ Rog, what a douch you
December 20, 2007 - 21:38 ET by JABGEEZ Rog, what a douch you are tonight, everyone knows he was referring to the left ear ;-)
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Atheistic greetings
December 20, 2007 - 22:08 ET by UnsaneI call things what they are.
So, in that spirit, Mr. Sheffield,
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! :-)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Roger, did you
December 21, 2007 - 08:46 ET by Senior ChiefRoger, did you intentionally remove Christ (X) from CHRISTmas just to make a point...ChristMAS: Christ M(Master), A(And), S(Savior). He is the reason for the season. Forget about PC, and I know you will not succumb to these non-Christian minorities.
Without His birth, then there would never be His death, burrial and resurrection, nor hope of eternal Salvation. The only time to use His name NOT in vain, is this time of year. I urge you all Christians out there to tell everyone Merry ChristMAS. If they don't like, say it anyway...then apologize and share the Gospel.
C-Mas - not X-Mas
December 21, 2007 - 09:27 ET by SouthJersey1953When I feel the need to shorten Christmas, I use C-Mas instead of the more common (and offensive to me) X-Mas.
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
I don't understand
December 21, 2007 - 11:51 ET by NewsbusterbrownI don't understand Christians who say X-Mas instead of Christmas. That just shows a lack of strength on their part.
Learn to Speak Hawaiian!
December 20, 2007 - 21:16 ET by Del DolemonteMele Kalikimaka!
Del-dole
December 20, 2007 - 21:51 ET by botgholi maka heki hoy (and if you can spell it right i'd appreciate it)
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
Try This
December 20, 2007 - 23:13 ET by Del Dolemontehaoli makahiki hou
This past year I was totally freaked out to discover that my great-aunt was lifelong best friends with Andy Anderson, the guy who wrote the classic Hawaiian Christmas song, "Mele Kalikimaka" (which has been covered by Bing Crosby, Don Ho, Jimmy Buffett, and tons of other people. The newest cover of it was recorded in 2007 by Texas Western Swing band Asleep at the Wheel). Her family rented him a room while he was at Pitt, and they remained friends for the next 80+ years (she died at 90 something, and Andy made it past 100). He went back to Hawaii and was VERY successful in business there.
Andy wrote music as a hobby-and his estate is still getting royalties for said hobby.
Sad to say, the only recorded Don Ho version of this song sucks.
thanks del
December 22, 2007 - 10:18 ET by botgmele kalikimaka
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
Both are fine to me
December 20, 2007 - 21:26 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveBoth are fine to me considering Hannukah and New Years are celebrated within the same time frame. I don't get offended if someone says "happy holidays" to me. I do think it is stupid to purposely avoid saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hannukah" even if one is not Christian or Jewish. Who cares if someone gets offended? It's the offendee's problem not ours.
I used to live amongst a large population of East Indians, they celebrate Diwali in October-November which is similar to Hannukah. Even though I am Christian I still wished people "happy Diwali" because it is polite and doesn't hurt anyone...and guess what? The non-Christian Hindus still wished people "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time.
The problem we have is there are vocal minorities in our country that are looking for reasons to be offended.
Then pealed the bells more loud and deep:
"God is not dead, nor doth he sleep;
The wrong shall fail, the right prevail,
With peace on earth, good will to men." -H.W. Longfellow
Mine
December 20, 2007 - 21:31 ET by Gat New YorkI generally just use "Bah Humbug." :)
"Good Morning Mister Scrooge!"
December 20, 2007 - 23:14 ET by Del DolemonteTry and scope out a great 1940s recording of Sir Basil Rathbone (aka Sherlock Holmes) who had a memorable recording of a song called "Bah, Humbug!"
Great Tip
December 21, 2007 - 06:55 ET by Gat New YorkThanks for the tip. I had no idea they actually made a song about that. I'll try finding it and make it my theme song!
Soundtrack is Still In Print
December 21, 2007 - 17:01 ET by Del DolemonteHis rendition was from a 1950s tv production of "The Stingiest Man in Town". Its soundtrack CD is available from amazon
http://www.amazon.co...
I voted Merry Christmas and
December 20, 2007 - 22:02 ET by Trix RabbitI voted Merry Christmas and that is what I use for everybody...and I'm a Jew.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
They're interchangeable
December 20, 2007 - 22:08 ET by NortoThey're interchangeable depending on the person and the timing. I do not say Merry Christmas in November and if the person is Jewish I try to honor their celebrations as well.
On the other hand, if Christians want to hear MC more prominently, just sit one Season out, see who the last retailer is left standing.
"Happy Holidays" Tainted
December 20, 2007 - 22:20 ET by Repeal 16-17I voted for "'Christmas' is better," because the Liberals have tainted "Happy Holidays." In the past, people who said "Happy Holidays" were simply using another way of saying "Merry Christmas." Now "Happy Holidays" means you don't like Christmas, but you know you have to say something cheerful. Damn Liberals.
I prefer Christmas
December 20, 2007 - 22:39 ET by well99Still if someone says Happy Holidays it is ok.I dont like when companies do Happy Holidays to be PC.Still havent been to Jack and the Box since they started that.I do miss their artery clogging tacos..sigh.Also that Hillary ad with that smug elitish smirk ticks me off.Ohmmm Anyhow I look at how the greeting is given.Christmas is a special time of the year where people seem to open up their hearts to others and that is what makes it special to me.That is why I prefer Merry Christmas.Wow getting maudlin in my old age.Must be the coffee.
And it's not like Happy
December 21, 2007 - 00:06 ET by balboaAnd it's not like Happy Holidays didn't exist before the "PC Era." I think it's silly to use it just for PC reasons, but the poor term has gotten a bum rap as of late.
Bal - That reminds me, did
December 21, 2007 - 00:09 ET by Free StinkerBal - That reminds me, did you have a Happy Turkey Day?
Newsbusters. Log on and find out What the heck is so yummy over here!
Bal I agree
December 21, 2007 - 17:31 ET by well99It is when it is used for pc reasons I dont like it.If someone says it to me I take it as it is meant.It is those playing PC correct that tick me.To me they are being phoney.It is the holidays and folks should enjoy them and save the silly games for afterwards.
By the way Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and yours.
And a jolly Ramadan to you.
December 21, 2007 - 20:25 ET by balboaAnd a jolly Ramadan to you. ;-)
Same to you bal
December 21, 2007 - 20:30 ET by Cool ArrowHave a RamaHannaKwanzMas yourself.
I ♣ My Seal
Bal
December 21, 2007 - 23:04 ET by well99Thank you.I get presents right?List of games exceptable will be posted later.Oh Merry Christmas CA.
I worked at a Santa Monica
December 20, 2007 - 23:50 ET by fitzfongI worked at a Santa Monica (as is People's Republic Of) advertising agency for much of the '90s and early '00s. In private sector terms, marketing is always the first discipline to latch on to this PC garbage. Most in my agency were wishing "Happy Holidays" in 1995...though our party was still a "Christmas Party" till about 1998. I used to play ice hockey, and back in 1998, I remember our team had a Sunday night game just before Christmas. As people were leaving the locker room after the game, everyone (including a Muslim) wished each other "Merry Christmas". Having been indoctrinated with the saccharine "Happy Holidays" by this time, it sounded weird for people to be wishing me a Merry Christmas. Now the term "Happy Holidays" makes my skin crawl...I'd rather be ignored than wished "Happy Holidays". I don't wish anyone anything anymore (unless they're family or friends...then it will be Merry Christmas) because I will not use that fake "Happy Holidays" salutation. Leave it to the PC brigade to ruin it for everyone.
Both are fine
December 21, 2007 - 00:30 ET by pbthinkerBoth are fine however, this year, Christmas is better since there is no confusion about the day, no matter who you're talking to. Has anyone noticed how saying, "Merry Christmas" is much more acceptable this year. Also, is it my imagination or has the ACLU been quiet this year? Could it be the Dems have told them to hold it down, this year, then, after they win big-time next year, they can pile on again?
Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.
Christmas vs Holidays
December 21, 2007 - 01:41 ET by LorraineThe phrase used to be "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year"
So when people said 'Happy Holidays", those were the holidays they were talking about. Not Ramadan, Kwanzaa, or anything else.
I feel like "Happy Holidays" has been hijacked by the PC crowd. I've made a point this year to always say "Merry Christmas"
Lorraine, Your
December 21, 2007 - 09:49 ET by LeonLorraine,
Your non-Christian fellow Americans thank you for your understanding.
I guess Jews are part of that "PC crowd" that doesn't subscribe to Merry Christmas.
So wacky.
you can't lump the Jews into the PC Crowd
December 21, 2007 - 10:58 ET by SouthJersey1953I know several Jews that wish me Merry Christmas.
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
Exactly South Jersey, You
December 21, 2007 - 11:21 ET by LeonExactly South Jersey,
You can't lump jews into the PC crowd, but you can lump them into the crowd of people to whom it's not appropriate to wish them a Merry Christmas.
They wish you a holiday greeting based on your particular celebration.
So it would be appropriate for you to wish them a Happy Hannukah, not a Merry Christmas.
Which was the purpose of my post to Lorraine. Why would you extend a specific holiday greeting to someone that doesn't recognize that holiday?
This whole War on Christmas thing is a joke. So silly.
It's A....
December 21, 2007 - 02:50 ET by Sua Sponte 75Festivus for the rest of us!
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Merry Christmas - PC shouldn't play into it
December 21, 2007 - 06:18 ET by SouthJersey1953Someone on here a few days ago said the following. I copied it and sent it to all in my address book:
"Lord knows that I am no flame-throwing anarchist who stumbles about saying and doing things only to irritate good people. That is not my modus operandi, regardless of what creditors and my ex-wife may be charging.
Nonetheless, it seems fitting at this time of year to "cast my fate to the wind," and to speak unabashed about that which I believe, without undue regard to political correctness.
As they used to say, "Let it all hang out!"
Thus, and therefore, acting against the counsel of my lawyer and psychiatric team, I hereby plunge headfirst into the world of defiance and wicked decadence.
I do so by exclaiming the following greeting from the top of my keyboard: MERRY CHRISTMAS! "
I use Happy Holidays for
December 21, 2007 - 08:58 ET by NewsbusterbrownI use Happy Holidays for people that I don't know and Merry Christmas for the ones that I know are Christians.
Wow worst poll ever. 1)
December 21, 2007 - 09:48 ET by LeonWow worst poll ever.
1) Who cares?
2) Why would you say Merry Christmas to a Jew?
2) Why would you say
December 21, 2007 - 11:46 ET by Newsbusterbrown2) Why would you say Merry Christmas to a Jew?
I wouldn't. Doing so would be asinine.
Exactly, However, NB
December 21, 2007 - 11:48 ET by LeonExactly,
However, NB poster Lorraine would disagree with you.
I say Happy Holidays b/c it's convenient when you don't know the religion of others.
If I know someone is a Christian I will say Merry Christmas. If I know they are Jewish, I will say Happy Hannukah.
If I dont' know I say Happy Holidays.
I don't see what the big deal is? This war on christmas stuff is so ridiculous and really makes those on the right look silly.
Leon I would say that the
December 21, 2007 - 11:54 ET by Dan The Man 2Leon I would say that the issue is a no brainer, but.....it would go over the heads of those with no brain. I wish people a Merry Christamas becasue that is the holiday, it is nothing else. Even government recognizes this, I am getting off on December 25 for Christmas.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I don't see what the big
December 21, 2007 - 11:56 ET by NewsbusterbrownI don't see what the big deal is? This war on christmas stuff is so ridiculous and really makes those on the right look silly.
I agree with you regarding the rest of your post, Leon, but I do think there is a concerted effort by some (not all) to secularize the holiday. I cringe at "holiday trees" instead of "Christmas trees," i.e. That's just way over the line for me.
NB Brown, I hear you but
December 21, 2007 - 12:32 ET by LeonNB Brown,
I hear you but in a country with a wide array of religious beliefs, wouldn't it make sense for it to be secularized?
I agree that the holiday tree thing is stupid. Call it a Christmas tree, that's what it is.
But I do think in places such as public schools where you have people of different faiths, it's entirely appropriate to enforce the Happy Holidays policy.
As for general day to day interaction, I think you should address people for their holiday. Say Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanza, Merry Christmas, whatever. Just know your audience. If you don't know their beliefs say Happy Holidays. It's not that hard.
In certain instances it's beneficial to be secular. Furthermore, we can get into the whole argument that Christmas has been secularized more due to the fact that it's become a major commercial holiday where presents have superceded Jesus.
I mean, would you want to be the only Jewish kid at a school that was openly celebrating Christmas? I sure wouldn't.
Christmas
December 21, 2007 - 13:34 ET by well99Then again Leon I like what was said in this article.
http://www.reuters.c...
Clarification
December 21, 2007 - 16:33 ET by UnsaneCongratulations. Everytime you show up with one of your "this is lame", "This sucks", or "worst ______ ever" posts, you further solidify the image I have of you: a spoiled child, say, of elementary school age who only wants to bitch about whatever is on offer, typically because he believe himself to be far above it all.
If you don't like it, don't f#$!ing respond.
If you think NB is so horrible, no one is sticking a gun at your head forcing you to visit. You still have something called freewill.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
The Real Issue
December 21, 2007 - 10:21 ET by TocanoThe only issue I have with 'Happy Holidays' is when the organization/store/whatever RESTRICTS their members/employees from saying 'Merry Christmas'.
If an organization doesn't care, and the individual person wants to just say 'Happy Holidays' then I have no problem at all with that.
The only issue I have with
December 21, 2007 - 11:58 ET by NewsbusterbrownThe only issue I have with 'Happy Holidays' is when the organization/store/whatever RESTRICTS their members/employees from saying 'Merry Christmas'.
If an organization doesn't care, and the individual person wants to just say 'Happy Holidays' then I have no problem at all with that.
As someone who works in management, I totally agree with you.
I always say "Merry
December 21, 2007 - 10:39 ET by BruzillaI always say "Merry Christmas" because it might offend someone.
Both sides of this issue
December 21, 2007 - 11:05 ET by CapitalismRulesBoth sides of this issue have pushed the envelope- I'm way too liberal PC for saying Happy Holidays or I'm a Athiest Communist for NOT saying Merry Christmas or I'm a religious nut for saying Merry Christmas or I'm an intolerant bigot for NOT saying Happy Holidays.
Look folks, it's Christmas, whether you celebrate it or not, whether you love God or not, whether you are a liberal, conservative, Democrat or Republican.......Merry Christmas, be happy, be heathly and have fun!
Doesn't matter to me...
December 21, 2007 - 11:16 ET by xfastHappy holidays was fine 10 years ago, and I refuse to let the PC crowd make it a "bad" word. Christmas is fine, I use it mostly with family.
Overall, I really don't understand the whole thing. Christmas is not a Christian based holiday. It is a pagan/secular based holiday that the Roman church hijacked and tagged "Christ" to it by coining the phrase Christmas. It was a tool used to entice pagans to joing the church.
So all of the things that go along with Christmas are of the human mind. I would like to see someone point out where in the Bible that as Christians we are instructed to celebrate the birth of Christ. Or that he was born in December. There is no mention of it. If God and Jesus did not tell us to make a big deal out of a yearly ritual to celebrate the birth of Christ, to me it makes the holiday mostly secular in nature, with most Christians at least paying attention to the nativity story in the Bible and rejoicing that our savior was sent to us. Everything else about Christmas, including the word, is strictly made up by humans for our own enjoyment.
So for me, I take no offense in saying or being told Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays. Or "get out of my store, I told you not to break another one of those......"
X- I'm a Christian and I
December 21, 2007 - 11:23 ET by CapitalismRulesX- I'm a Christian and I take absolutely no exception to what you say. Most of the Nativity Story is rooted in legend, myth or misunderstanding. The idea of "magi" and shepherds coming to visit Jesus is probably an allegory meaning that everyone outside the Jewish world or of poor stature at the time can be a Christian or at least marvel at the prospect of salvation. I have heard arguments for and against this, but it doesn't really matter, it is today what it is, those who want a historical or biblical perspective should seek it out and not just take as fact the warm-fuzzies on Christmas Cards.
Have you ever told someone
December 21, 2007 - 12:50 ET by ThoughtPoliceHave you ever told someone "Merry Christmas!" and then realized they were Indian, pakinstani, jewish or some other middle eastern descent? Man, you feel like a huge idiot!
I vote "happy holidays" for that reason alone!
Well if an Saudi came up to
December 21, 2007 - 15:10 ET by CapitalismRulesWell if an Saudi came up to me and said Happy Eid, I would not want them to feel like an idiot. I'd say thank you.
caprules... Of course, it's
December 21, 2007 - 15:39 ET by Jack Bauercaprules... Of course, it's common courtesy.
And besides, you would't want to feel an Eidiot either.
Boo-Yeah
December 21, 2007 - 15:51 ET by CapitalismRulesgood one, I'm ashamed I did not come up with that first....excellent job!
I would think your "9/11 was
December 21, 2007 - 15:17 ET by Roger the ShrubberI would think your "9/11 was an inside job!" t-shirt would eliminate any necessity to open your mouth to remove all doubt of your status as an idiot.
LOL shrubbo -- in what
December 21, 2007 - 15:32 ET by Jack BauerLOL shrubbo -- in what universe do you wish someone a Merry C