Will Hillary Clinton Be Able to Win Nomination?

Yes
37% (958 votes)
No
33% (844 votes)
Maybe
25% (647 votes)
Don't know
6% (144 votes)
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»→ Yes she can

March 5, 2008 - 09:59 ET by Cool Arrow

Sounds familiar.

But I want to see some serious bloody politics before she does win the nomination.

I want to see all those condescending dehumanizing aspects of Democrat racism/genderism laid bare for the country to see.

I'm sick of the paternalistic plantation politics of that party of abuse.

As you might expect, I'm being kind.

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You may get your wish Cool Arrow

March 5, 2008 - 10:05 ET by Rovin

 "But I want to see some serious bloody politics before she does win the nomination."

 

As a Republican strategist this is a "perfect storm" scenario to see the Democratic nominees still going toe to toe with no apparent end in sight.  The morning crew at MSNBC* sees no other alternative than both Obama and Clinton to join forces to defeat McCain in November.  With both candidates understanding that neither can win if they alienate a large portion of each others segments of their constituents, how will Howard Dean and the superdelegates go about deciding the clear winner with out fracturing the party in the process?  Christopher Hitchens says Hillary's victory speech last night---- where she rattled off her "big battle ground states" victories INCLUDED Florida and Michigan.  The fact that Clinton is "claiming" she won these two states that were not contested by Obama AND have been disqualified by the Democratic Party, suggest that (according to Hillary) the rules only count if they are in her favor.  This could potentially become a character issue that may prevent her from having the opportunity to answer that 3 a.m. call in the White House.

*  (The reason I have quoted MSNBC (a network I despise for their un-mitigated bias) is because this gives a more accurate pulse of what the mainstream media will be framing in the months ahead.  And there’s nothing more satisfying than to see them twisting in the wind.)

 Rovin

Christopher Hitchens says

March 5, 2008 - 10:15 ET by motherbelt

Christopher Hitchens says Hillary's victory speech last night---- where
she rattled off her "big battle ground states" victories INCLUDED
Florida and Michigan.

Rovin, I noticed that too this AM, when I saw the clip from her speech on Morning Joe. The funny thing is that none of them on that show commented on it.

That tells me that it is becoming accepted. And there will be a huge fight to either have a do-over or to seat those delegates.

This rundown of delegates has the Obama with 1512 and Her Royal Clintoness with 1423....a difference of 89. How many delegates do Florida and Michigan have?

Also, I'm not sure if the superdelegates have been included in those totals (and Clinton has more of those).

Superdelegate Imbalance

March 5, 2008 - 10:26 ET by CGatton

Supers are plus 44 for Hillary right now. That's with about 400 of them counted, and God knows, they all have to be counted...and counted...and counted...and...

V/R

Clyde

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Imbalance?

March 5, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Pam

I put maybe because of the superdelegates.  The unreported story is that she is leading when it comes to them, but they don't want that dirty little secret coming out do they?

For 8 years I have heard about election theft and constant whining about selected and not elected.. What in God's name do the Democratic voters think that this primary is?  The powers that be will select the nominee.

Last night, some got to vote twice, the first time in a voting booth and the second time at a caucus.  Did every Democratic voter get that opportunity? 

 

They're practicing for the

March 5, 2008 - 17:39 ET by Hunter12

They're practicing for the general election.  There, some of them will vote three times, once in their home precinct, once in a different precinct without an ID, and once by absentee ballot from their original home state.  Two or three votes for each Dem might explain how they manage to keep elections that should be blow-outs for a conservative close.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Vote Twice

March 5, 2008 - 20:31 ET by Dumb Cluck

This vote twice part of the Democrat primaries has been in effect as long as I can remember and I have been around for a lot of years. In fact I was in my first caucus 50 years ago. Then I got smart and jumped parties. Its is just the way that the pros control the party.

»→ My thoughts too, Rovin

March 5, 2008 - 10:13 ET by Cool Arrow

The more they're bickering between themselves, the better.

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Cool, Super delegates

March 5, 2008 - 10:06 ET by Leon

Cool,

Super delegates will intervene before that happens. 

She can't win the nomination, she doesn't have the delegates. 

All she can do now by prolonging this nomination battle is prove what you've all been saying about her nature for the past 4 years.

Vindictive, petty, stubborn, power-hungry, and desperate.

My guess is that key people will shortly begin to jump ship from her campaign.  They'll sink her internally. 

 

Leon, If you watch the

March 5, 2008 - 10:21 ET by Hunter12

Leon, If you watch the Clinton News Network, the guy with the map has been showing for the last month that neither of them will have enough pledged delegates to take the nomination.  It's the proportioned allotment of delegates that the Democrat embraced in their primary system that caused this.  If Hillary is close and stays close, which Pennsylvannia being between two states she already taken, bodes well for her, she will go into the convention with all the impetus she needs to do whatever it takes.  I'm thinking Democrat Convention on the big screen somewhere with soda and popcorn.  

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Hunter, The proportional

March 5, 2008 - 10:28 ET by Leon

Hunter,

The proportional allocation of delegates doesn't help Clinton.

In fact, it does exactly the opposite.  Losing a close contest earns just about as many votes as winning a close contest, i.e. Ohio - didn't do anything for her.

Even with overwhelming victories in Wyoming, PA, WV, KY (which is possible but unlikely) and victories in Guam, NC, Montana, SD, and Indiana, she would still be trailing Obama.

Literally her fate is entirely up to the superdelegates.  She would need a solid majority of the 800, which is basically impossible.

Your analysis is the opposite of what is really happening.

Leon, That's what I said,

March 5, 2008 - 10:49 ET by Hunter12

Leon, That's what I said, she stays close in pledged delegates (and she made up some ground yesterday, picking up 21 more pledged delegates than he did).  There aren't ernough votes left after the vote yesterday to give either the 2025 needed to win outright.  That means balloting at the convention.  She's now within 125 pledged delegates and has taken most of the "battleground" states.  There are over 350 uncommitted Super delegates, an area where she holds the edge now.  My contention is that unless a tape of her tapping out Vince shows up, she runs on her momentum and ability to take the states the Democrats have to take to win the presidency and stays close enough to strongarm or blackmail super delegates at the convention into voting for her.  She's not going to quit. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

I'm with Leon on this. 

March 5, 2008 - 10:35 ET by Ruths husband Ben

I'm with Leon on this.  ObaMessiah doesn't have the pledged votes only because of the superdelegate system (and it is absolutely a crazy system for Democrats to have, btw because the superdelegate system screams of elitism).  The powers that be will throw Senator Clinton under the bus long before she will damage their chances at the White House.  But it will not be pretty watching her go screaking into the night.  Or maybe it will.

»→ Obamassiah

March 5, 2008 - 10:45 ET by Cool Arrow

What I see is the Dem Party capitulating to Obama out of fear rather than any sense of fairness.

That's when America begins to realize they want no part of all this intimidation politics.

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Cool, It has nothing to

March 5, 2008 - 10:50 ET by Leon

Cool,

It has nothing to do with fear.  That's so silly.

They're supporting Obama b/c they think he can win.  They believe Hillary is too divisive.  It's painfully obvious.

Where do you people come up with this stuff? 

Fear?  What?  That makes no sense.

»→ You people?

March 5, 2008 - 10:54 ET by Cool Arrow

Who are you calling "you people"?  I'm extremely offended.  <sarc>

I'm joking here, Leon, but just wanted to illustrate you'd better start parsing your words a little better if you want to avoid the constant nitpicking for innuendo your party will engage in for the next few months.

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Cool, I don't see how

March 5, 2008 - 10:58 ET by Leon

Cool,

I don't see how your fear comment demonstrates nitpicking.

Regardless, that will not happen.  Hillary is done. 

How do I know?  Today she's already talking about a shared ticket. 

In my mind, those are the words of a loser who knows they've lost.

»→ Really Leon?

March 5, 2008 - 11:09 ET by Cool Arrow

"Today she's already talking about a shared ticket."

<sarc alert>  So you automatically assume Hillary is subjugating herself to the political ambitions of a man?  Be prepared for charges of chauvinism if you state such things, Leon.

This game's too easy to play, Leon.  I'm just trying to help you get your PC groove on.

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Can you imagine being

March 5, 2008 - 11:23 ET by Ruths husband Ben

Can you imagine being President with Hillary one heartbeat away from the Oval Office? You'd be a nervous wreck in a week, if you lasted that long!

Ben: First of all: I do not

March 5, 2008 - 13:25 ET by Pete Wilson

Ben: First of all: I do not think Hillary can get enough delegates to win the nomination, unless the Democrats seat the Florida and Michigan delegates. She needs in the range of 97% of the remaining delegates in the primaries. She will not get that. The most she can get there is in the range of 49-53%, IMHO. Due, of course to proportional rules the Democrats have. Second: I do not believe that Hillary would accept VP with Obama in the lead position. The inverse could be true, with Hillary running for President with Obama as VP. Hillary will pull out all stops to get the nomination, even though she is the more devisive on the Democrat side. However, they both are fighting a two front battle now that McCain has wrapped up the Republican nomination. This will be a bloody and costly battle for both Democrats. This will get very interesting shortly! And that's my two cents. Worth everything paid for it!

Neither DIM will have Delegate Count sewed up!

March 5, 2008 - 13:32 ET by PawpawN

Ms Shill & Mr Obamalama will neither have enough DELEGATES to go into Convention with the nomination.  & in a dog/cat fight, I'm taking the Cat that looks like a Dog!!

Pete: Point 1: I agree. 

March 5, 2008 - 13:40 ET by Ruths husband Ben

Pete: Point 1: I agree.  Point 2: I agree, but he isn't going to ask her to lead (see Point 1), my comment was in response to her suggestion of splitting the ticket.

And I am in favor of watching it get interesting too.  So we are in violent agreement.

But unfortunately I keep waking up and remembering who the alternative to these two socialists is (you know, the old hippy we nominated).  In truth, the libs have already won the Whitehouse as the only choices are Obama, Clinton or McCain.

Of course it screams of

March 5, 2008 - 10:48 ET by motherbelt

Of course it screams of elitism, Ben, because it IS elitist. From what I read, they were furious at the states' delegates picking McGovern in the 70's and getting blown away, and they resolved to never let that happen again.

RHB, ObaMessiah! 

March 5, 2008 - 10:52 ET by Leon

RHB,

ObaMessiah!  haha.  That's great.  Hadn't heard that one before.

I just don't think the powers that be will have to throw her under the bus.  She did that to herself a long time ago.  Her campaign will wither internally, the momentum will die, and it will become clear pretty quickly that she can't win.

Hillary messed up when she started going negative and sliming Obama (which is what she is good at).  That will be her downfall.

We'll see.  I personally

March 5, 2008 - 11:06 ET by Ruths husband Ben

We'll see.  I personally think they will have to drive a wooden stake into her, shoot her with a silver bullet AND throw water on her to get her to stop.  You are underestimating her drive to win at any cost.  I agree that she killed her own chances (at a victory) a long time ago, but she is tenacious if nothing else.

Hillary didn't mess up going negative, that is all she had to offer. 

Obama was brilliant at defining the game by high-lighting her negativity and minimizing the negative effects (i.e., killing the messenger and the message).

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin

Regarding shared

March 5, 2008 - 11:22 ET by motherbelt

Regarding shared ticket...there is NO WAY Her Royal Clintoness will accept the VP slot. She knows that's her ticket to oblivion, as she would be too old to run in 8 years if Obama wins (The Republicans did it because McCain "deserves" it...the Democrats are not that sentimental).

I used to think the Obama could be convinced to wait his turn, but now, after his launch into the stratosphere of adoration with Messianic overtones, I'm not sure.

Because of that, I won't even guess at what will happen.

and Obama's retort to

March 5, 2008 - 11:26 ET by red_dragon311

and Obama's retort to hill's negativity .....

" See she's being negative"

 

I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist

Don't forget that people

March 5, 2008 - 10:58 ET by Hunter12

Don't forget that people like Bill and the cronies he's accummulated are driving that bus.  Obama doesn't have the pledged votes because he didn't take the primaries with the percentages required to give them to him.  It's the proportioned delegates system that caused this.  If the GOP primaries had been similar, Romney would still be in the running and probably winning.  Hillary taking California, Texas, New York, and Ohio has to figure into any thoughts of who is electable, right or wrong.  That's something the Super Delegate system was devised to do. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

»→ Even better Leon

March 5, 2008 - 10:24 ET by Cool Arrow

Take the decision out of the hands of the electorate and kick it up to the conclave "college of cardinal sinners."

Great idea Leon.  Either way the vote goes, the secret back room deal sets off a firestorm of accusations.

Leave it to the Democrats to secretly impose their will on their constituency.

That "superdelegates" thing is exactly what we hope for.

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Cool,The superdelegates

March 5, 2008 - 10:31 ET by Leon

Cool,

The superdelegates essentially ratify the results from the primaries and caucuses.

Furthermore, I have many complaints about our voting system and our so-called democracy. 

I dislike the system tremendously, but that's what we've got for now so that's what I'll work within.

»→ Yes, leon

March 5, 2008 - 10:39 ET by Cool Arrow

That's what you've got because the "Big boys down at the pool hall" saw this coming years ago.  I guess there's nothing wrong with sheep who would rather have their decisions made for them. 

Well OK, I do have a problem with it.  But I left the Dem Party at midnight last night.

A tearful goodbye, as you can imagine.

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Cool, Boo hoo.  You left

March 5, 2008 - 10:53 ET by Leon

Cool,

Boo hoo.  You left the Dem party last night at midnight for  what?  To vote for the Democrat John McCain?

Bold move.  Way to stand up for what you believe in. haha.

 

No, Leon

March 5, 2008 - 10:59 ET by Cool Arrow

I joined the Democrat party yesterday morning to vote for a real Democrat.  Hillary Clinton.

One day of being a Dem was all I could stand.

Are you saying you wouldn't under any circumstances, vote against a candidate?

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Well Leon, to say the

March 5, 2008 - 11:08 ET by dscott

Well Leon, to say the least, the Dem convention is going to be Cathartic for someone.  LOL  I am so looking forward to Ted Kennedy's rah, rah speech again for Obama, I could just see the heavens open up and Camelot come down out of the clouds...  <sarcasm>  Then manically comes the horrible reality of Clinton.

But not to worry, McCain will continue to diss the conservative base so the race between Clinton and him will be very close. What a choice we are presented with, sleazy Clinton or obtuse McCain. The POTUS will be the one who dispirits the least number of voters.  This election season is not about who is the lessor of two evils, it is about picking a POTUS no one wants.  Now we must endure the pandering and lipservice until November.  I'm sorry, did I say that out loud and is my cynicism showing?

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Video Please

March 5, 2008 - 10:42 ET by capav

I would like the msm to replay some of their prognosticators (Tim Russert the main one), being gleeful about the fact that the Republicans were in a state of disarray with no front runner." This may go all the way to the convention" said Tim.  Ha! (Chris Matthew's voice).  If he only knew he was correct, but had the parties wrong.  Lovin' it!

Can Versus Will

March 5, 2008 - 10:03 ET by CGatton

Can she - absolutely - don't think there are enough delegates left to give either a lock before the convention.

Will she - hard to say - she'll certainly pull out all the stops now, and every dirty trick in the book. However, the longer it goes, the better for the Republicans.

V/R

Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

I think Hillary will take

March 5, 2008 - 10:10 ET by Hunter12

I think Hillary will take the nomination in the back rooms of the convention.  This may be the most interesting election ever held in America, because the claim will be it was stolen from the annointed one (and it probably will be).  If HRC can get to the convention within 200 delegates of Obama, the Cliton machine will take off the gloves and open the files.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

I really dont know. But one

March 5, 2008 - 10:18 ET by bassndude

I really dont know. But one thing I do know for sure, if she dosent win, they will have to drag her off kicking and screaming. You will be able to see the marks on the floor and walls, left by her finger nails. And I bet they decide to count Florida.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

That was my thought too,

March 5, 2008 - 10:25 ET by motherbelt

That was my thought too, bass...they will have to drag her out of the convention hall by her heels.....LOL

She is already claiming she won Florida and Michigan. See my reply to Rovin above (starts with Christopher Hitchens) for my thoughts on that..(if you care to)....I won't repeat.

Just glorious motherbelt

March 5, 2008 - 10:27 ET by Cool Arrow

I was up half the night with my son and daughter just ecstatic over the results.

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It's going to be fun

March 5, 2008 - 10:26 ET by 10ksnooker

Whatever happens it's going to cost a lot of Democrat donor money and drag on and on for a while. Stock extra popcorn.

NewsBusters members might

March 5, 2008 - 10:27 ET by Jer

NewsBusters members might be interested in this brief essay posted by an ex-Clinton supporter at DailyKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/4/232813/7490/840/469024

Jer

»→ Thanks Jer

March 5, 2008 - 10:34 ET by Cool Arrow

Percolating, seething rage on that side of the aisle.

How very sad for them.  (hee hee)

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Your empathy is indeed

March 5, 2008 - 11:04 ET by Jer

Your empathy is indeed touching.  Who said compassionate conservativism is an oxymoron?

Jer

»→ Jer

March 5, 2008 - 11:15 ET by Cool Arrow

As you might expect, I'm feeling a McCain moment here having given the aisle the old reach arou.. er, I mean reach across.

We held hands and sang "Where have all the Flowers Gone" and I was presented with a Whitman's Sampler.

You shoulda been there.

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Oh, but I was there. 

March 5, 2008 - 11:23 ET by Jer

Oh, but I was there.  Shirley MacLaine and I were channeling Country Joe and the Fish.

Jer 

»→ That's right Jer

March 5, 2008 - 11:33 ET by Cool Arrow

We also sang "Hold On It's Coming" with Country Joe.

The whole experience was total sensory overload.

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Well Jer, I for one can

March 5, 2008 - 11:57 ET by dscott

Well Jer, I for one can sympathize with the situation.  We are stuck on stupid with obtuse McCain, so misery loves company.  That person was on target with the issues (except for the Repub comment of course).  Hell must be freezing over, I just agreed with a lib.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

dscott...I don't know if

March 5, 2008 - 18:30 ET by Jer

dscott...I don't know if you've seen The Sand Pebbles, but there is a scene at the end of the movie where Steve McQueen, in the role of a U.S. sailor caught up in the swirl of political and military conflicts in 1920's China, having just been shot, looks around in complete bewilderment and yells "What the hell happened!"

That's exactly how I feel as I look around at the current presidential campaign landscape and the respective potential nominees of both parties...What the hell happened?

Jer

This is what happens when we

March 5, 2008 - 21:51 ET by dscott

This is what happens when we tolerate the MSM meddling in the primaries and political process.  By now you must be questioning the wisdom of allowing the MSM to take sides.  If they can side with a political party, they can also side with a candidate.  NB has covered in the past the multiple times the MSM has favored Clinton. This shouldn't be surprising as there are a number of former Clinton Admin people in the MSM like George Steph. I have even posted a list of 25 names who blatantly are siding with Clinton against Obama.  The red flags were there, the numerous times when the MSM gave a free pass to the Clintons on their sleazy dealings.  At the time, most Dems were busy defending their candidate and the honor of the Party, understandable.  Hindsight being 20/20, maybe it was not such a good thing to have allowed a terribly flawed politician to continue to embarrass the Party.  While Repubs typically get their dirty laundry aired publicly and run out of office for their indiscretions which in the short term hurts, the long term however is we don't have to continually be embarrassed by the same flawed candidate the Dems do now.   So the problem here is there are a number of MSM operatives more than willing to manipulate the storyline to the benefit of Clinton which of course bad for Obama.  Bill Press admitted as much. So now you are stuck with Clinton whether you like it or not.   I suggest both the left and right have a mutual interest in cleaning up the MSM and de-politicizing it.  I would even buy into the equality of outcome argument to insist that all political candidates be given a reasonable amount of equal time where "campaign coverage" is concerned.  Or at the minimum have some kind of cut off of air time when one candidate is monopolizing the airwaves. Maybe even subject campaign coverage to the McCain Feingold limits or even work a formula where the candidate is docked federal matching funds since clearly they don't need it with FREE air time. What is going on now is basically a cascade effect for the front runner.  The MSM has admitted that it gives more air time to front runners, which in turn increases the probability they stay the front runner. Where is the fairness in that?     Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

Jer, this just goes to show

March 5, 2008 - 10:35 ET by bassndude

Jer, this just goes to show what I have always said about dems. They are very very slow learners.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Well, there are a number

March 5, 2008 - 10:59 ET by Jer

Well, there are a number of us quick study Dems who have said much the same from the moment she tossed her pantsuit in the ring.

Jer

have any of you read the

March 5, 2008 - 11:11 ET by red_dragon311

have any of you read the comments ....of the 890 on the post i only read the first 20 before I started to get sick to my stomach ( i threw up a little too) but a lot of people are blaming the repubs for FL mand MI not being counted.....

 

"Uh, wasn't it the Republicans in the state of Florida that moved the primary up, not Howard Dean?"

 

and saying her thighness is  getting her smears of  Obama, FROM REPUBS

I am speechless

 

ok I have concluded that Obama people feel  HRC is the Juan McCain of the left ....working with the other side to get votes....this is so off base it just show what sore losers they really are and Obama doesn't get the nom rest assured that the REPUBS will be blamed for smearing him

 

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I will continue to say this

March 5, 2008 - 10:53 ET by ricklail

I will continue to say this until they turn out the lights at the Dimwit convention. It ain't over until the fat lady sings. Hillary still has a bunch of cards up her sleeve to play. (Don't you  just  love cliches? )

If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard

One answer missing

March 5, 2008 - 10:54 ET by buzzyboop

Although it's nice that there will be continued Democrat gnawing at each other and gnashing of bared teeth, ultimately my answer to the poll question is:

I don't care.

Cheers.

I have to take my hat off to her

March 5, 2008 - 10:55 ET by shawn228

I am not a Hilary fan at all. I thought she was dead in the water. She is proving to be much more resilent than I thought.

Lets blame the media

Texans who voted for Hillary

March 5, 2008 - 10:59 ET by sarcasmo

Should think about the law of unintended consequences.

Consider: You're an average American voter, not a political junkie. You're going to watch one political convention and you'd like it to be an entertaining one. Do you choose to watch the pre-scripted balloon drop show, or do you want to watch an unscripted UFC political fight instead?
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

I'm sure Cool ddin't cross

March 5, 2008 - 11:10 ET by Hunter12

I'm sure Cool ddin't cross party lines and vote for Hillary just to keep the infigthing going and expose more of the hypocrisy that is the liberal Democrat party of today.  That would be wrong. ; ) 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

»→ Hunter

March 5, 2008 - 11:22 ET by Cool Arrow

Thanks.  You've captured my intentions eloquently.

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Cool, those same intentions

March 5, 2008 - 12:28 ET by Karma

Cool, those same intentions were played out in Ohio also.

The MSM helped us pick our

March 5, 2008 - 17:44 ET by Hunter12

The MSM helped us pick our candidate a little too early.  

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

»→ Exactly hunter

March 6, 2008 - 10:04 ET by Cool Arrow

Idle hands in the Democrats' workshop.

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I can't believe Hillary won

March 5, 2008 - 11:09 ET by JasonC

I can't believe Hillary won TX. Obama was up 58%-42 when I crashed last night. Can't Texas do anything right?

I am no Obamamaniac, but I can't stand HRC. Never has a politician been so adept at simultaneously talking down and sucking up to her audience.

Besides which, what a fantastic example we set for developing democracies, alternately electing the same two morally bankrupt , plutocratic political families into the White House for 20 straight f---ing years.

Usurp, or steal, might be

March 5, 2008 - 11:50 ET by mattm

Usurp, or steal, might be more accurate than 'win', but she will probably be the nominee...  The Clinton Machine is in action...

I said maybe.I am

March 5, 2008 - 13:02 ET by bigtimer

I said maybe.

I am eagerly awaiting the big showdown at the convention..with anticipation, if they don't have this figured out before then the dem party may never be the same. she will hang on to the bitter end like a biting sow....no matter who or what she destroys, this has always been her modus operandi (sp)...and he and his crew along with the  lemmings and the msm may be able to incite a race riot...

Going to be interesting....

Btw...Let them bloody each other up, like Rush said.

Just think, her tax records are going to be forced to be released, plus some (and say some with little meaning,) of her records when she was 1st Lady are set to be released too... more to be opened up on him, a lot more before Nov....let the long knives be unsheathed. 

There's never been any doubt.

March 5, 2008 - 13:07 ET by Joe C.

Hillary is going to be the nominee. I don't know how, but they are still the Clinton Mafia. If it takes a bullet, she will be the nominee.

Yes, she will stop at

March 5, 2008 - 13:24 ET by lotr

Yes, she will stop at nothing.  But still pray that she doesn't...

Clinton is going to be the nominee??

March 5, 2008 - 20:52 ET by johnbarry

Clinton's victories in Ohio and Texas certainly give her the momentum. She will probably win Pennsylvania. She has had a bounce in national polls. The atmosphere between both candidates is poisonous. Now Obama is prepared to  resort  to negative campaigning. The negative campaigning is providing  a steady supply of political ammunition for John McCain.

 The Clintons put Machiavelli in the shade. I suspect that they will sway sufficient super delegates to pip Obama. A solution to the Florida/Michigan fiasco could favour Clinton. Obama will probably win the popular vote but may be robbed of the nomination. Then the blood letting may commence. African Americans would feel cheated and humiliated.

Just imagine the headlines -"Democrats at war".

Of course a Clinton/Obama ticket is possible. However this would not be in Obama's long term interest as in theory Clinton could serve two terms. Would Obama be prepared to wait for possibly eight years?  Obama would become Hillary's lapdog. 

If he is cheated of the nomination he should walk away.

john

March 5, 2008 - 21:01 ET by Blonde

Did you notice that Hillary shreiked "I won Florida, Michigan....." as the first of her wins?  She's going to give it the old college try to get these delegates seated as the elections went....how typical.

I'm going to write to my governor (the RINO Charley Crist)....if the dems want to "re-do", fine, let them have at it....but it better not be funded by the State of Florida.

He'll be cheated out of the nomination...if she can figure out how to do it....the house of cards will come crashing down.

Where's Noel when you need him?  Waiting in antici......pation! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

BO

March 5, 2008 - 15:03 ET by iveseenitall

I hope BO wins for the Dims. If he gets elected in the general, though he will be dangerous, he will be less dangerous than Hillary. Once she is in , we may never get her out. For example, changing the "rules" for Florida and Michigan poses no problem for her. She is a down and dirty communist who will stop at nothing once she has the power. It's sad to say, but McCain is the least of the three evils from which we are forced to choose.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

 

The Conservative Party

March 5, 2008 - 15:22 ET by Conservative Voice

You know both Democrats and Republicans seem to be off base. Democrats have leaned so far left as to make even Joe Lieberman to leave it. The Republicans have moved so far left that we can't seem to tell the difference between the Democrats. So with some people telling McCain he should just continue and be the Mav, I am thinking he should!

I figure that with McCain aiming at the center, maybe we can kill the Democrat and the Republican party as they are, and press the resent button. McCain should pick a Democrat as his vp, and let the Republican Party be absorbed into the Democrat Party. Us conservatives can then organize a new party that is conservative from the ground up.

And experience

March 5, 2008 - 15:26 ET by sarcasmo

Ballot access law hell, unless those laws get changed by those who currently benefit from a socialist duopoly. Been there, done that!
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

what would you suggest?

March 5, 2008 - 15:54 ET by Conservative Voice

what would you suggest?