To me any term with a prefix is trying to put a spin on it. It comes down to arguing semantics.

No one calls themselves pro-abortion. It's always pro-choice.

On the flip side no one calls themselves anti-choice. It's always pro-life.

It seems as if some people see it as all or nothing. Pro-lifers want no abortions at all, and pro-choicers want abortion on demand.

I'm sorry maybe they fly the flag because um... they are proud that their ancestors tried to break up the United States for um... States Rights? Maybe they fly it because um... yeah not because of defiance or civil war resentment but because your Irish and others are Israeli (which is a real country) and well, um... you know.

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candance...Aside from the fact liberals are the ones normally slammed for promoting "cultural identifiers", the Conferderate flag issue, in my view, breaks down as follows:

--There is no reason any state should adopt it as the state banner.  A state's flag should promote unity--not divisiveness.  And while the analogy may not be entirely appropriate, the Confederate flag has no more business flying over a state capitol in Georgia [as it did until just a few years ago] than would the swastika flying over Florida. 

--By the same token, there should be no interference with the private use or display of the flag on private property.

--It is likewise appropriate in certain public or quasi-public venues viz. museums, Confederate memorials, Civil War re-enactments, or as part of historical displays with other flags.

It is unfortunate the Confederate flag has also been exploited by, or associated with, various hate and white supremacist groups.  But even if that weren't the case, the very fact that it was the banner under which the Confederacy [and my ancestors] fought--along with other more valid rationales--to maintain a repugnant social institution is reason enough to keep it off state capitol flagpoles.

Jer  

I give up!!!

Fun reads.  Doesn't affect me either way.  I have no dog in that particular fight. 

Britcom was just talking about guys who read the Bible and then PT gets all freaked out, having to clarify they were all Deists and stuff. 

At first PT, I thought that's what you were getting at with the list up above (the possibility of all colonial denoms), but Mormons didn't come until after the revolution. 

So I could only conclude that you were literally asking me what the real church was.  I guess that wasn't the question?  But my answer above was my honest answer as I read the question.

If you can't accept it, or you're unwilling to listen, then I can't do anything about that.  Salvation isn't my job.  Bringing the message; teaching it, yes, but the ultimate understanding doesn't come from me.

Hopefully, you'll at least understand that I was indeed doing my best to communicate for my part.  I'm turning in.  G'night.

-PJ    

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Brit posts an article with actual quotes from the founders which you ignore; you then link to the lib MSM with no context.

This is NOT about reason, logic, or arguments for you.  You either have an emotional anti-christian fixation or a compulsion to never be wrong (or perhaps both).  Did i say funny?, actually it is rather sad.

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.

Unborn-Americans are still Americans and they deserve the same right to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." as all other Americans have regardless of age.

Exactly. What is more, unborn Americans cannot speak for themselves. That important little fact seems lost on so many.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

He better go work for the NSA because they will pay you BIG bucks for being able to hack any operating system at will! This is so laughable.

Oh please if you have any concept of what I am talking about or a basic understanding of computer security there is nothing to remotely be concerned about.

The Chinese are well aware of what DOD systems are online and where they are located. Any remote access to them is limited and requires various means of security clearance.

I have friends who work for the DOD, I understand computer security. And if the DOD is relying on 3Com for national security then we have ALOT to worry about. Thankfully computer security does not work that way and 3Com is not that important if at all.

But you are missing my point, having access to source code and hardware microcode does not make you vulnerable if the system is designed properly. 

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Nevermind. Clearly you do not understand the concept of the current "embedded tax," a tax that will swiflty disappear if the FairTax is implemented, dropping prices across the board.

Ever heard of competition?

Oh, well, be sure and have BIG fun the next time you get sideways with the IRS.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

You're point about the pre-bate is what has me scratching my head about this fair tax BS. It would cost billions of dollars just to process and send monthly checks out to cover taxes "for groceries and other necessities".

Wouldn't it just make more sense, and save a ton of money, to just not tax essential to life items, like food, in the first place? Only an ignorant politician could come up with a Rube Goldberg type deal like this!

http://en.wikipedia....

And yes, this would effect the poor, more than anyone else. Again, currently poor folks pay no taxes, and in some cases even get money back based on income credits. I don't care how many people try to throw out the "built in tax" argument out there about the cost of products, this "fair tax" idea will cost every single America more for goods and services. (that's right services will be taxed too)

I can see how the government would love this thing though. It would bring all of that gray area money out in the open. All of those illegals, welfare recipients, and others who work for cash under the table will now pay tax, and the government will actually get MORE money in it's coffers.

Another thing to think about is this. With the "fair tax", government will have one less reason to worry about roundin' up the illegals. Hell, it'll want more to come across! With the fair tax they know the illegals will be paying taxes. And of course WE know they will be voting too! This is reason alone to place the "fair tax" on the failed ideas shelf.

I've always lamented how the income tax, and the IRS is THE one way of government restricting our behavior. The tax system rewards us for certain behavior, like becoming more energy efficient, and penalizes us for others. One can argue for and against the idea. But with the "fair tax", you will see very quickly how in many cases, the government will become less apt to listen to the voter, not more.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think the idea of government control is the more desirable one. I like Rudy's plan of greatly reducing all taxes, along with an across the board spending decrease. (military/defense excluded) Along with a greatly simplified tax code, this makes more sense.

This whole argument is moot though, because no way in the world is there enough support in Congress for this idea to ever take hold.

The percentage is a factor of price (the new lower prices, plus the tax) not a percentage of income. It matters not what your tax percentage is so long as you pay less in actual dollars. Under the sales tax, when you choose to buy a cheaper product, your taxes are reduced. You have been dutifully paying the income tax for so long that you can't comprehend an economy without an income tax. Now I understand why idiot northerners come down here to Florida and proceed to preach to us about the "necessity" of Florida adopting a state income tax. No We don't need a state income tax. We already have a sales tax. Income taxes are Regressive and counter productive. They are the worst possible kind of tax other than the death tax.

I think notherners just want an income tax so they can b!tch about wanting to lower it. Well 0.000000000000000000000% Income tax is as LOW AS YOU CAN GO. For non-northerners that is the same as not having an income tax.

So Just to make you happy, here is my proposal. We keep the income tax... wait for it... but we drop the rate to 0.00% for everyone. Is that enough of a "tax-cut" for you?

LOL-That was my other compaint. Their service contractors are wholly disconnected (no pun intended) from Comcast itself.

My parent's (who are in their eighties) phone service with them went down over the summer due to a storm. It took nearly a week to get it back up, as Comcast kept telling me the tests they were conducting on their end indicated everything was fine. It got a little interesting there for a while, as my tolerance fuse for bureaucratic BS is somewhat short (imagine that!), but my parent's have had no problems since.

Someday, hopefully, this will all be done by satellite, just as God intended, and we will no longer be beholden to issues like this.

Progress, don'cha know!

Remember the "paperless office?" LOL.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe