Why Is Huckabee Doing So Well?

Ignorance of his liberal positions by supporters
44% (1139 votes)
Media are promoting him
27% (713 votes)
His 'folksy' demeanor
17% (442 votes)
Many social conservatives are socially liberal
5% (130 votes)
Other (leave comment)
7% (169 votes)
Total votes: 2593

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As always

January 25, 2008 - 15:31 ET by Matthew Sheffield

it's the factor you think is the most prominent that you should be voting for. Thanks for playing...

#4

January 25, 2008 - 15:37 ET by mvfreeman

Generally speaking, a person is considered either socially liberal or conservative, not both.

I'm biting my tongue to suppress the obvious joke

January 25, 2008 - 15:40 ET by sarcasmo

But it appears they've forgotten how to spell the word "fiscal" around these parts, so maybe the joke just tells itself when I point that out...
JMR

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exactly, to be a

January 25, 2008 - 16:25 ET by Conservative Voice

exactly, to be a conservative you have to be both social AND fiscal, and thereby Huck is not a conservative. Abortion is not the defining issue on who is conservative and who isn't.

Um,...

January 25, 2008 - 16:55 ET by mvfreeman

aren't you contradicting yourself?

 First you state that true conservatives are fiscally AND socially conservative. Around these parts if you are "for" abortion you are not considered a true social conservative.

true conservatives

January 25, 2008 - 17:09 ET by Conservative Voice

You are right, abortion is only a factor if and only if they are pro-abortion. You can be pro-choice and still be considered a conservative. Because being pro-choice doesn't mean you are pro-abortion, it means you do not want government involved in the choice, or at the very least limited government. But at the same time you teach individuals that abortion is wrong, you do your best to talk them out of it. The same way I am against smoking, but do not want government to write laws outlawing smoking ( though I do appreciate the clean air act ).

Pro-abortion means you get upset when a woman choses to not have an abortion, or you minimize abortions as not being that big of a deal.

In any case, my main point was people say Huck is against abortions so thereby he is a conservative, and that is false.

Case in point, Reagan was

January 25, 2008 - 17:11 ET by Conservative Voice

Case in point, Reagan was always considered to be conservative, yet he was pro-choice early in his career.

Because being pro-choice

January 25, 2008 - 17:26 ET by mvfreeman

Because being pro-choice doesn't mean you are pro-abortion, it means you do not want government involved in the choice,

Isn't that what Planned Parenthood says? 

 

Planned Parenthood is

January 25, 2008 - 17:36 ET by Conservative Voice

Planned Parenthood is correct. However, note that Planned Parenthood doesn't admit that they are a pro-abortion unit...because they advocate government funds for abortions, they advocate that minors not have to tell their parents, they advocate for abortions. They put up a smoke screen by stating a truth so that they can hide the fact that they are pro-abortion.

Meh..

January 25, 2008 - 18:04 ET by mvfreeman

To me any term with a prefix is trying to put a spin on it. It comes down to arguing semantics.

No one calls themselves pro-abortion. It's always pro-choice.

On the flip side no one calls themselves anti-choice. It's always pro-life.

It seems as if some people see it as all or nothing. Pro-lifers want no abortions at all, and pro-choicers want abortion on demand.

so Reagan was for abortions

January 25, 2008 - 18:25 ET by Conservative Voice

so Reagan was for abortions on demand?

Again, you can be pro-choice and be conservative ( think Reagan ), you just can't be pro-abortion and be conservative.

Hmmm...

January 25, 2008 - 23:57 ET by mvfreeman

You are trying to redefine the term "pro-choice" from its common usage.

When a person is described as pro-choice it means they are for keeping abortion legal. In this regard they are "pro" abortion.

Pro-life folks are described that way because they want abortion made illegal due to their belief that a life starts at conception. Hence an abortion is akin to murder. In this regard they are "anti" abortion.

In the end the words are just convenient self labeling to allow you to split hairs and give you as much wiggle room as possible.

I am not redefining

January 26, 2008 - 00:16 ET by Conservative Voice

I am not redefining anything. I am pro-life. Just stating the logic of the word. Keeping abortion legal means the pro-choice person does not wish the government involved, and thereby is using a conservative principle to dictate the pro-choice policy ( much like I am against smoking, but do not want government outlaw tobacco ). However, a person who advocates for government funding, or to undermine parental rights, or tells the mother that its no big deal, its just a Fetus, is pro-abortion. Most average pro-choice people want abortion to be legal and rare...its the often and darn a woman for chosing to keep the baby that are pro-abortion.

Fact is Mitt was pro-choice, is now pro-life...and he was never pro-abortion.

Good job...

January 26, 2008 - 01:35 ET by mvfreeman

at splitting hairs.

Like I said, no one uses the term pro-abortion.

The dichotomy is between legal/illegal.

According to you Romney was for legal abortions and now he is against them.

So in regards to the legality of the act he was pro-abortion and now he is anti-abortion, which is generally how the media describes pro-lifers.

 

Sounds like somebody's campaign could really use you.

 

Pro-Evil

January 26, 2008 - 17:23 ET by Conservative Voice

I was explaining the difference between being pro-choice and celebrating whenever an abortion takes place ( pro-abortion )....You keep implying Romney was pro-abortion, much like the liberals claim that if you are not pro-Kyoto treaty then you are pro-destruction of the earth.

There are a number of moral areas that I am pro-choice in...

Wearing seatbelts, does that mean I am pro-death in a car wreck?

Smoking, does that mean I am pro-cancer?

Speed laws, does that mean I am pro-reckless driving?

Guns, does that mean I am pro-murder?

Eating whatever I want, does that mean I am pro-gluttony, or pro-heart attacks?

I could go on, but hopefully you get the idea that not being pro-good does not mean you are pro-evil, rather it means you believe in teaching correct principles and let man govern themselves versus a nanny state.

right freeman

January 26, 2008 - 20:08 ET by candance

The exact same logic was applied to slavery in the 1850s. Pro-slave people said "well you don't have to own slaves if you don't want to."

The point is, that's not the point.

The Huckster is NOT a Conservative

January 25, 2008 - 20:57 ET by PopularTech

No matter how bad those pushing Huckamania want it to be the Huckster is a Christian Liberal, so was Jimmy Carter, so was Bill Clinton, so is Hillary.

Ann Coulter: “Huckabee is the Republican Jimmy Carter” (Video) (4min)
Ann Coulter: "Huckabee Stupid and easily led" (Video) (2min)
Ann Coulter: "Liberals Adore Huckabee" (Video) (3min)
Rush Limbaugh: Huck 'not a conservative' (The Politico)

"Ladies and gentlemen, Gov. Huckabee, mighty fine man and is a great Christian, is not a conservative, he’s just not. If you look at his record as
governor, he’s got some conservative tendencies on things but he’s certainly not the most conservative of the candidates running on the Republican side." - Rush Limbaugh

Rush Limbaugh: Huckabee Is No Ronald Reagan (Rush Limbaugh)
There’s a Huckabee Born Every Minute (Ann Coulter, Human Events)

"I guess Huckabee is one of those pro-sodomy, pro-gay marriage, pro-evolution evangelical Christians" - Ann Coulter

George Will on Mike Huckabee (Video) (1min)
Mike Huckabee Roundhouse Kicked (Video) (1min)

Another Man From Hope. Who is Mike Huckabee? (The Wall Street Journal)
Christian conservatives: Beware of Huckabee (WorldNetDaily)
Meet the Huckster (The San Diego Union-Tribune)
Mike Huckabee is far from being Reagan's heir (The Wall Street Journal)
Obama: Mike Huckabee is My Favorite GOP Candidate (Newsmax)
The Huckabee Hustle (American Thinker)
The False Conservative (Robert Novak, Townhall)

Background:

Age: 52

Education:
- Ordained to ministry Southern Baptist Convention, 1974
- B.A. Religion, Ouachita Baptist University, 1976

Crime and Punishment:

Mike Huckabee's Clemency Record Is Under Scrutiny (FOXNews)

- Huckabee granted 1,033 pardons and commutations, including 12 convicted murderers

Mike Huckabee Supported Early Release for Meth Dealers (Standard Newswire)
Mother of Dumond Victim: "If not for Huckabee, she’d be here for Christmas" (Video) (1min)
Why parole a monster like Green?

Ethics:

NBC Investigates Huckabee's Ethical Shortcomings (Video) (2min)

A Son’s Past Deeds (Dog Torture) Come Back To Bite Huckabee (Newsweek)
Huck's gift-givers ended up in state posts (Politico)
Huckabee Says Flying Confederate Flag a State Issue (The Washington Post)
Huckabee Signed '98 Ad Urging Women to 'Graciously Submit' to Husbands

Education:

Huckabee Backs No Child Left Behind (The Hill)
Huckabee on Education: No to Vouchers, Let Government Fix It (Standard Newswire)
Homeschoolers beware! (WorldNetDaily)

- Huckabee received the endorsement of the New Hampshire NEA

HomeSchoolers Lose Ground with New Law signed by Governor Huckabee (Home School Legal Defense Association)

Fiscal Record:

Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK (Video) (1min)
Huckabee is a Net Tax Hiker of over $505 Million Dollars (Video) (1min)

A Taxing Endeavor (National Review Online)
Arkansas Taxes Up $642 Million Under Huckabee, Report Shows (CNSNews)
Huckabee's Fiscal Record (FactCheck.org)
Huckabee raised more taxes in 10 years in office than Bill Clinton did in his 12 years (The Arkansas Leader)
Huckabee: The Biggest Big-Government Conservative (FOXNews)
Mike Huckabee's Arkansas Record (Club for Growth)
Mike Huckabee is a Liberal - Updated Huckabee White Paper (Club for Growth)

- Huckabee immediately upon taking office signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarettes, cigars and tobacco in 1997
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarette and tobacco permits in 1997
- Huckabee raised the sales tax again in 1999
- Huckabee raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- Huckabee raised taxes on diesel in 1999
- Huckabee supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- Huckabee levied an excise tax on all retail sales of beer in 2001
- Huckabee created a bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- Huckabee increased the cost of driver’s licenses in 2001
- Huckabee publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- Huckabee proposed another sales take hike in 2002
- Huckabee raised the sales tax again in 2003
- Huckabee imposed an income tax surcharge on individuals and corporations in 2003
- Huckabee raised taxes on cigarettes and tobacco in 2003
- Huckabee opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- Huckabee allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- Huckabee increased taxes in the state by more than Bill Clinton did
- Huckabee increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- Huckabee increased the number of state government workers 20% during his tenure
- Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President

Tax Hike Mike

- Overall, Huckabee’s substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax
cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his
tenure.

Foreign Policy:

Huckabee: Get Rid of Gitmo (Video) (1min)

Mike Huckabee Criticizes Bush Administration for 'Bunker Mentality' on Iraq (FOXNews)
The Holiday Inn Express Candidate (National Review Online)
The Problem With Pastor Mike (National Review Online)

Global Warming:

Huckabee is the only Republican candidate to support the economy crippling Cap and Trade CO2 Legislation, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Regulation and Renewable Energy Standards

Illegal Immigration:

Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)

Fact Checker: Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegals (Washington Post)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration (Standard Newswire)
Huckabee offered 'no-cost' deal for Mexican Consulate (WorldNetDaily)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says (Arkansas News Bureau)
Mike Huckabee Supported Bill to Give Driver's Licenses to Illegal Aliens (Arkansas Journal)

Tancredo endorses Romney: "You bet your life Huckabee was a factor" (Hot Air)

Religion:

Huckabee: Amend Constitution to Reflect God's Standards (Video) (1min)

Huckabee And Ahmadinejad: Perfect Together?
Mike Huckabee to speak at strongly anti-Catholic preacher's church
Pastor, Can You Spare Us? (National Review Online)


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"Huckabee Says Flying

January 25, 2008 - 21:14 ET by compman

"Huckabee Says Flying Confederate Flag a State Issue (The Washington Post)"

 Uhh, What's wrong with this? Are you saying that this is a bad thing? It's actually one of the few reasons I like him (but still won't vote for him). But. i'm from the GA, so I may be a little biased.

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. - Sir Winston Churchill

The Confederate Flag Belongs in a Museum

January 25, 2008 - 21:42 ET by PopularTech

The only Flags that should be flown are the US Flag and the State Flag, the Civil War is over, the only place for the Confederate flag is in a Museum.

Please tell me why a state in the United States should fly the Confederate Flag, is it because you want to show that you do not support belonging to the United States? There is no other reason to fly the flag. Flying it has nothing to do with State's Rights, it has to do with backwards defiance and resentment from the Civil War.

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Pop, the confederate flag

January 25, 2008 - 22:01 ET by Conservative Voice

Pop, the confederate flag is a states rights flag...every state should fly one.

Fact is the Federal government was wrong in forcing states to their will, despite the fact that slavery is wrong.

The Confederate Flag is a Civil War Flag

January 25, 2008 - 22:19 ET by PopularTech

Answer these questions:

1. Why was the Confederate Flag made?

2. Is the Civil War Over?

3. Did the Confederacy Lose?

4. What State's Flag is the Confederate Flag?

There has nothing to do with states rights. What state does the Confederate Flag Represent? Should the Nazi Flag be allowed to be flown in Germany by all those who never got over WWII?

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Pop Tech...Completely

January 25, 2008 - 22:34 ET by Jer

Pop Tech...Completely agree.  And I was born and have lived in the South all my life...also a Civil War buff still trying to figure out how we could have won the damn thing.

People can honor the Confederate flag, cherish it, sleep with it if they want...just don't have it as a state flag--an emblem representing all of the citizenry of that state.

Jer

Thank You

January 25, 2008 - 22:45 ET by PopularTech

This is exactly what I am talking about. The only Flags the State should be flying are the US Flag and their State Flag. I would think that the State Flag would represent their state's rights.

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Would you be against a

January 26, 2008 - 00:09 ET by Conservative Voice

Would you be against a state flying the Don't Tread on me flag?

I see the confederate flag as a reminder of states rights. The South lost the war, doesn't mean they weren't right. ( They were right about states' rights, very wrong on slavery ).

The Civil War is Over

January 27, 2008 - 00:58 ET by PopularTech

The Don't Tread on me Flag Represented U.S. Independence. I don't see why states would want to fly it but it is not a divisive symbol for the country like the Confederate flag is. So are you saying that the South is still proud to and wants to break up from the United States? The Confederate Flag was a Flag of the Civil War representing the southern states wanting to break from the union. The war is over, the Confederacy lost, flags are not flown for current governments representing the exact opposite.

Get over the goddamn Civil War already, none of us fought in it, we were all born into the United States, please stop promoting divisive symbols that do absolutely no good for this country.

The Confederate Flag deserves a place in museums, at historic sites and on battlefields during civil war renactments - it has absolutely no place with our current government.

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The Confederate Flag Belongs in a Museum

January 26, 2008 - 12:05 ET by ooramp

In South Carolina The Confederate Flag is flown at the confederate memorial. Is that ok with you? Or is that not a "museum"? If not thanks for deciding for us. Do we need to check with you on what people here memorialize? It is part of the history of this area and unless you can vote in our state elections, I would think we just don't care what you think about it. I agree that some citizens would find it offensive, hence the move to the memorial, but lost on most of you is that the more you make a issue of it, the more set in concrete the fight becomes. Right or wrong. F.y.i. unless the Constitution  gives the power to the federal govenment, its always a state issue.

Get over the the Civil War

January 27, 2008 - 01:05 ET by PopularTech

NewsFlash - THE CIVIL WAR IS OVER!

Obviously it should be shown at a confederate memorial in a Historic context. But it has absolutely NO PLACE in modern government. Your STATES FLAG represents your state not the Confederate Flag. Many things are part of history but idiolizing a very divisive issue such as the confederacy simply breeds resentment that our country does not need.

When someone wants to prevent you from flying your state's flag, you will have a state's rights issue.

I cannot believe people are being brainwashed that the Confederate Flag is a State's Rights Issue. Give me a break. 

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I appreciate the insulting

January 27, 2008 - 03:27 ET by ooramp

I appreciate the insulting childish tone you have taken with me.

...idiolizing a very divisive issue such as the confederacy simply breeds resentment that our country does not need.

You seem to be the one with the hang-up about it, you also are grabbing a big set of shoes when you determine what the country needs or doesn't need. My part of "our" "country" has been the rest of the country's whipping boy all my life, so if this is mud in your eye , I didn't throw it. Go watch deliverance again and don't worry so much about it.

This Country Has No Need for the Confederate Flag

January 27, 2008 - 03:37 ET by PopularTech

Sorry but it has no place in modern government. Your State's Flag should be proudly displayed as it is a part of our great nation. Last I checked our great soldiers kicking ass in Iraq come from all over the country, they all salute the Flag of the United States of America not the Confederate Flag. Whatever issues those states have, idiolizing or celebrating the Confederate Flag does nothing to help your cause.

You think States Rights are important, so do I! Then promote your state and it's Flag and talk about State's Rights. Maybe people will listen but standing up for the Confederacy does nothing but make you look devisive and IMO ridiculous.

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... does nothing to help your cause

January 27, 2008 - 13:57 ET by ooramp

I don't have a cause, and there is a big difference between a memorial and idolizing, which seems to be lost on you.

We have kept the old slave market building as well to memorialize the great racial injustices of the past when people could not see past the skin tone to see the person with in. Perhaps your argument will be we are idolizing slavery by not destroying it and replacing it with a five star hotel for bigoted yankees (bigots against southerners).

To be honest I haven't own a copy of that flag in a long time. I have no interest in fanning the flames of bigotry or supporting lost causes.

If it would keep the sorry arsed yankees from moving here and turning this place into another over-taxed, no expectations except for welfare, guilty about everything ever done, running up housing cost for those born here, all while living in their exclusive golf or gated communities, while passing judgement, I would paint it everywhere it would fit. But oh well, times and things change. You seem to believe what the media tells you about us, otherwise you would know that it is not 1865 or 1965 here anymore. My next door neighbors do not share the same racial make-up as I and I'm proud to have them as neighbors. They have and continue to serve this great country and have raised four fine young men which I hope to see them reach as far as their abilities will take them. My wife to be and I have welcomed her son's best friend, again, doesn't check the same box on the liberals government forms as I, into our home for a couple of years until they got girlfriends and struck out on their own to get their own place, as young men will do.

You judge us over some flag that annoys you. Well come here and stay a while and see with your own eyes, unless you are one of those da*n yankees, then in that case don't bother, your eyes couldn't be peeled open with a crow bar.

I resent this

January 26, 2008 - 20:16 ET by candance

People fly Confederate flags out of backwards defiance and Civil War resentment? Clearly you're not friends with people who fly them.

Let's tell Irish immigrants they can't their flags. And then we'll tell Israeli sympathizers to stop displaying Israeli flags. From now on, cultural identifiers are forbidden because they're too backwards for modern America.

 

What do you Resent? That the Civil War is not over?

January 27, 2008 - 01:11 ET by PopularTech

I'm sorry maybe they fly the flag because um... they are proud that their ancestors tried to break up the United States for um... States Rights? Maybe they fly it because um... yeah not because of defiance or civil war resentment but because your Irish and others are Israeli (which is a real country) and well, um... you know.

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Americans died for that flag you know. . .

January 27, 2008 - 01:29 ET by tracheostomy

:chewin' toothpick:

Something to think about. 

Maybe you don't wanna take that last step over the Mason-Dixon line (or do you?). 

In any case, it's little cause to bitch about since we know who's banner flies higher (or do you?). 

Now go back to something you're actually good at, like posting links.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

.

January 27, 2008 - 01:54 ET by general company

delete 

 Poor post, sorry

 

"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain

What? Mason-Dixon Line?

January 27, 2008 - 02:05 ET by PopularTech


:rubbing balls:

I lived in Maryland, visit DC, visit Florida, Texas ect.. Looks like I am still alive!

Really get over the Civil War, yes people died it still has nothing to do with states rights or the current government.

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They have a shot to cure that you know. . .

January 27, 2008 - 02:14 ET by tracheostomy

"Really get over the Civil War. . ."

I never actually got under it to start with. 

. . .

I never lived outside of Washington State either, LOL!!!

BTW, you call that an answer?  Oh wait, to Poptech, endless repetition is an answer.

Hey, what's Huckabee's position on Global Warming?   Could you go get that one for me? 

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Huckabee is a Global Warming Idiot

January 27, 2008 - 03:17 ET by PopularTech

I suspect many of his followers believe in the "man-made" global warming scam just as much as he does. This idiot will cripple the economy:

Huckabee is the most liberal Republican candidate on Global Warming
Huckabee Backs Mandatory U.S. Cap on Global-Warming Pollution (Bloomberg)

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candance...Aside from the

January 27, 2008 - 01:52 ET by Jer

candance...Aside from the fact liberals are the ones normally slammed for promoting "cultural identifiers", the Conferderate flag issue, in my view, breaks down as follows:

--There is no reason any state should adopt it as the state banner.  A state's flag should promote unity--not divisiveness.  And while the analogy may not be entirely appropriate, the Confederate flag has no more business flying over a state capitol in Georgia [as it did until just a few years ago] than would the swastika flying over Florida. 

--By the same token, there should be no interference with the private use or display of the flag on private property.

--It is likewise appropriate in certain public or quasi-public venues viz. museums, Confederate memorials, Civil War re-enactments, or as part of historical displays with other flags.

It is unfortunate the Confederate flag has also been exploited by, or associated with, various hate and white supremacist groups.  But even if that weren't the case, the very fact that it was the banner under which the Confederacy [and my ancestors] fought--along with other more valid rationales--to maintain a repugnant social institution is reason enough to keep it off state capitol flagpoles.

Jer  

Shame on you Matthew... How

January 25, 2008 - 15:53 ET by vrwc13

Shame on you Matthew...

How more biased could you be? Where is the choice for "because I think he is the best candidate"? Buried in "other"?

v

Whine Whine

January 25, 2008 - 16:29 ET by Airforce_5_O

Whine Whine Whine....

Mark other and leave a comment.

so you agree with using push-polls?

January 25, 2008 - 16:32 ET by vrwc13

so you agree with using push-polls? Or just when it's not Romney?

v

you do realize Huck is King

January 25, 2008 - 16:34 ET by Conservative Voice

you do realize Huck is King of push polling right?

vr

January 25, 2008 - 16:34 ET by bigtimer

Sheesh....Give me a break here ...

You have a whole thread here about The Huckster and yet you still are not satisfied.

Pathetic.

Between vr and Leon, a lot

January 25, 2008 - 16:39 ET by Chris Norman

Between vr and Leon, a lot of thread has been used up.

LOL Chris.... Boy have

January 25, 2008 - 16:44 ET by bigtimer

LOL Chris....

Boy have you got that right...and neither ever seem to be happy campers either most of the time.

Such is life.

BT, Somedays, it looks like

January 25, 2008 - 16:46 ET by Chris Norman

BT, Somedays, it looks like LeonBusters here. :)

And sometimes when I (and now vrwc) post...

January 25, 2008 - 16:49 ET by sarcasmo

It's NewsBustersBusters, but bias remains bias, like it or not and admit it or not...
JMR

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Howdy sarc.... Sorry I

January 25, 2008 - 16:52 ET by bigtimer

Howdy sarc....

Sorry I forgot to include you too...

Hows the Paul thing working out for ya?

At least your guy is still standing...mine is gone....dang it all, but life goes on ... you have to keep a smile on your face when possible and move on.

I'm just wondering

January 25, 2008 - 16:59 ET by sarcasmo

How you Fred-fans feel about Carl Cameron's revealing that he was apparently in it for the VP slot all along. Should Carl make (or abide-by) such secret deals about real news issues? It's an interesting question, because I think knowing this about Fred could have subtly influenced Carl's coverage.

As for me, I'm having more fun than I imagined possible with my spinning sign. It says "Media Bias Makes Me Do This."
JMR

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sarc... Oh

January 25, 2008 - 17:06 ET by bigtimer

sarc...

Oh puhleeeze...Carl Cameron says....yeah right...as far as I was concerned he was in for Huck and McCain with his asinine reporting...I for one cannot stand him.

Never have.

I find him nothing but comical. 

All of this became a discussion of me...

January 26, 2008 - 02:16 ET by sarcasmo

Having the temerity to call 'em like I see 'em and once-again bust NB's bias right on NB's own forum, but my original question was "do you believe Carl, and if so, do you think Carl's Fred-VP-secret (assuming Carl thought it's true) somehow affected Carl's reporting on Fred?"

I can't stand a number of Fox News employees, but regardless of personal dislikes I think it's a good question or 2 that we're ignoring in favor of yakking about my propensity to bust hypocrites, which (let's just face it...) ain't too-likely to change anytime-soon, whether I'm bustin' NB's bias or the old media's.
JMR

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Sarc, please. Give it up.

January 25, 2008 - 16:59 ET by Chris Norman

Sarc, please. Give it up. The stern is sticking straight up now.

Give WHAT up???

January 25, 2008 - 17:02 ET by sarcasmo

When I bust bias, whether it's in the external media or the bias at NB, it remains busted. Why should I give ANYTHING up with that kind of a proud record???
JMR

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If this were a news outlet,

January 25, 2008 - 17:26 ET by Chris Norman

If this were a news outlet, I'd agree. But NB isn't a news outlet. It's job isn't seeing to it that libertarians are looked after and treated fairly.

If it wants to decry media-bias

January 25, 2008 - 17:30 ET by sarcasmo

It would help if busting NB's own obvious media-like biases weren't so-damn-easy for me, but I do it REPEATEDLY. NB, by putting itself in a position of evaluating the bias of news outlets, is automatically in the position of being busted for its own bias by the likes of me until Sheffield finally gives-up & bans me. Get used to it.
JMR

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But, I am used to it. It's

January 25, 2008 - 17:37 ET by Chris Norman

But, I am used to it. It's just kind of sad to watch you futilely slog on.

Then why ask me to give it up??

January 25, 2008 - 17:40 ET by sarcasmo

I've very-effectively busted bias in the old media here, and at the same time busted bias from NB-itself. As I keep saying, I'm proud of my record busting bias. Whether or not NB's biased behavior changes because of me busting it is of little consequence if I can still bust NB-bias right-here on NB.

I don't see why you're so sad about watching me bust all that antilibertarian bias both here & elsewhere. I thought busting bias was the purpose of the site, in fact, even if I disagree that any of you can put a coherent definition on "liberal" or "conservative" these days, considering the positions of most Presidential candidates. I find it FUN to bust hypocrites' bias, that's why I keep-on doing it. I hope you'll quit being sad about it.
JMR

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Hey Chris...

January 25, 2008 - 17:53 ET by mvfreeman

How come none of the "promoted" reasons for Huck doing so well say anything remotely positive about him?

Our choices are:

1.Only ignorant retards are voting for him

2.It's a media conspiracy

3.He's a fake

4.Social conservatives are really liberals

5.?

Nope, no bias there!!!

Please, one zealot at a

January 25, 2008 - 17:57 ET by Chris Norman

Please, one zealot at a time...

LOL

January 25, 2008 - 18:16 ET by mvfreeman

Personally I don't give a rat's a** about Huck but somebody running this site is obviously denigrating him in more or less the same manner that the MSM would do it.

Oh. Thank goodness. I

January 25, 2008 - 18:18 ET by Chris Norman

Oh. Thank goodness. I suppose this site is conservative - not Republican - and this kind of shows that.

Whew!

January 26, 2008 - 02:24 ET by sarcasmo

For a second I thought you were showing how disagreement with you over what sorts of bias deserve bustin' causes one to be a "zealot."
JMR

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And you're great when you're

January 25, 2008 - 17:58 ET by Chris Norman

And you're great when you're busting old media bias. But going around here, picking fights with everyone? Not so much.

Not about you Mr. N

January 25, 2008 - 20:04 ET by Lame Cherry

Mr. Norman, here am I not including you in this as your comments are valid, but happen to be the last one in this set.
In stating that, the question was about Huckabee and yet there are endless spouting off the subject to include a challenge for Mr. Sheffield to ban someone for claiming they are constantly "busting" Newsbusters.
If that is such a success, then in a free internet one can start their own website and have numerous posts making money busting Newsbusters if that is such a mass following.

Mr. Sheffield needs no one to stand up for him. He does though at times require certain bloggers to point out that Mr. Sheffield is so intelligent in posing questions with the nuance of key words to gauge responses that he is Rush Limbaugh genius for this site.
Now I will presume he does not want what he is really doing out as like terrorists in Iraq, they will not come to be shot if they knew George Bush set it up to be a 3 year killing zone. If people who complain know they are being utilized, examined and exposed........then they are not going to show up on this site to be played and extol exactly what Newsbusters wills to explain. Banning would be the last thing this site would employ as some people prove the exact point in the flesh which this site exposes.

God has provided me with great insight and I give all glory to Him, but I know someone very good at the game when I come across them and Mr. Sheffield is so far ahead of most people that one can mirror him as the light to the darkness of the manipulators of the cartel.........or as I have pointed out President Bush has positioned the United States a lustrom to decade for a coming Eurasian world war which will erupt while everyone else was whining about Iraq.
Mr. Sheffield positions this site in like manner as while others are commenting on what is happening, he is accomplishing what will happen.

This site has some of the most gifted internet minds and attacking them does no one any good. Newsbusters gets quoted and is lurked upon by the liberals for the reason they know the absolute danger Newsbusters is to their game.

I do not praise people easily, but I give Mr. Sheffield, Mr. Shephard, Mr. Huston recognition as thee best heavyweights.

Semper Fi~

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

Damn dude...

January 26, 2008 - 00:05 ET by mvfreeman

you need some knee pads.

"such a mass following"

January 26, 2008 - 02:30 ET by sarcasmo

You asked for it...

Yes, since DP now totally dominates NB, I tend to spend most of my time these days there-not-here. DP busts a hell of a lot of media bias NB readers never-see, and it is obviously way more fair to libertarians like me. Markets rule, so I'm sure Mr. Nystrom's Daily Paul site's making more click-money than Mr. Sheffield's NewsBusters without little ol' me needing to bother making yet-another media bias site just to prove the point that there's rampant antilibertarian bias out-there. And in-here.
JMR

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Sorry, but I call 'em like I see 'em

January 26, 2008 - 02:10 ET by sarcasmo

And busting NB's own hypocritical bias isn't "picking fights" until someone tries to fight the busts and wants to take me on for some reason, as you have tried today. Face it, antilibertarian bias is a problem here at NB, and I only bust SOME of it. Don't like it? Tough. Mr. Sheffield seems to leave my account here anyway.
JMR

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V, I don't care who it

January 25, 2008 - 16:49 ET by Airforce_5_O

V, I don't care who it is.  If you don't agree with what is up there leave a comment why so we can debate it.  You just make yourself sound like a liberal whining about "Newsbusters' Bias".

You complained about the poll the other day and what you seem to fail to realize is these are not scientific polls.  They are for fun and debate.

So leave a comment and lets debate it.

Ok, if NewsBusters somehow ISN'T biased

January 25, 2008 - 16:56 ET by sarcasmo

How come the scare-quotes around "folksy"?? I don't like plenty of things about TaxHikeMike, but the man has folksy DOWN. This is bias. I just admitted it for NB. Sometimes, usually for Ron Paul but this time for TaxHikeMike, I have to do that.

NewsBusters-bias is nothin' new, and said NB-bias does NOT deserve quotes because I've busted it here so-damn-often, often to whines of denial that equal those of the lefties when NB busts other media bias. It's plain media bias, just like any other media bias. It betrays an agenda that's political-not-factual, again exactly-like other media bias NB decries. That's the facts, folks.
JMR

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Sarc

January 25, 2008 - 17:07 ET by Airforce_5_O

Come on....These things are for fun and debate.  We are Zogby or any other polling site.  I understand your complaint on Ron Paul but the poll just ask about why Huck is doing well.  If V or anybody out there does not like the canned answers provided then mark other and leave a comment.  How freaking simple is that?  Pretty Damn simple. 

No, my bust this time was NOT of bias against Paul

January 25, 2008 - 17:10 ET by sarcasmo

It's bias against TaxHikeMike instead. 2 different NB biases busted, this one's simply newer around here. And we are leaving comments, only in