I have a second choice: "I win". I'm so sick and tired of hearing about Iowa and it's virtues - real or pander (with apologies to any Iowans here)- I don't care who wins - just as long as it's over.
But those primaries will come fast and furious. No months for the MSM to stand around making pandering blanket statements about how Iowans "take their politics seriously" (all 10% of 'em)and "Iowans don't go for negative ads".
I feel ya' Chris. The candidates and media, grovel and beg at the feet of Iowan's for a few month's every four year's, but the rest of time thier just "flyover country".
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
You'd think Ohio was important to them, after all the fuss from the 2004 election and the MSM and democrats LOOKING for a state to dispute ...
But we're not that big a deal, unless some serial killer is from Ohio ... or voting machines are made here in a presidential election year.
As for the weather channel ... We could get kicked in the ass up one side and down the other by a huge storm system (winter or summer) and it ain't really news to TWC until it crosses over PA. into New York ... Then it's friggin' Armageddon for "The East Coast!", with an ever so brief mention of "having done some damage in the Ohio area" ...
Yunz guys are "fly over" country ... We're where they dump the planes'/jets' toilet holding tanks as they fly over us.
All of congress' and the President's checks are written and cut in Columbus, Ohio. And any piece of military equipment that has to go overseas has to get approval from DSCC in Columbus as well.
Don't bother wasting a perfectly good hurricane on Ohio ... Wouldn't get serious TWC coverage until it headed into New York. Besides, Jim Cantore wouldn't bring his bald-head to Ohio for nuttin' ...
The media has decided. They have chosen Huckabee and Obama or Clinton. They like Huck because he's a beatable conservative. And they'll take either Obama or Clinton. The media loves the idea of four or eight years of either a woman or a black man in the oval office, as long as they are democrat of course.
correction, he is a beatable Republican who should of ran as a Democrat. He is not a conservative. Anyone who plays the class envy card is not a conservative.
He would have had to compete with Obama in the African American Baptist churches. I don't think he would have gotten very far either. Now if Bill Clinton ran, that'd be another story...
What is wrong with you? I am a very religious democrat, Hillary Clinton spent the majority of her life working for the United Methodist Church and so did Elizabeth Edwards. John Edwards has told us many times that he was raised Baptist, but he has not mentioned he is a United Methodist now. Democrates just don't brag about their relisous beliefs, or give sermons instead of speaches. Obama is an Evangelical Christian. Don't you pay any attention? Hmmmm--- I've watched all the debates including the republican debates and know what I am talking about. Have you, and do you? I doubt it.They still believe in the separation of church and state. That is one reason we left England!
Unfortunately all the polls and http://www.intrade.c... have Huckaberry winning, but I am hoping that the people of Iowa will be smarter than choose Huck, as anyone is better than Huck.
Mark Steyn over at National Review gives us a little hope. He hints that he has an early exit poll that is not good for Huckabee. If this is true, it shows that Huckabee had a lot of support but not enough to get his people to the caucus.
All that meat Romney fed those Iowarns will give him the gossip party by a burger.
I just do not see Huckabee drawing in those Baptists as Iowa is not a Baptist state........so in his running to Jay Leno, he is starting to fade.
Of course, I still do not see McCain placing anything but Iowarns just dug him and Huckster.
The person to watch is Fred Thompson's showing. I think he will do better than expected with the others fading fast.
But then who cares.........the media only covers Obama, the sometimes black man, sometimes church goer and all the time grinning dupe thinking he is going to win this in the long run.
Fortunately the African American won tonight, and he will bring Edwards right along with him. They can beat any republican. Because they are smarter, wiser and more in tune with the American people. You will see.
You mean 1/2 black 1/2 white. True it is historic though.
I love watching new trolls bounce around.
"And if these young negroes don't quit messing with the democratic bunch they are going to be right back where we started from. If they only know as I know they would struggle to keep such from happening."-Pg.114
Someone unwillingly but very suddenly understands how I often feel. ;) Welcome to my world.
But I agree that Keyes should be a choice, to be serious for a moment...And of course I'd have always supported NOTA being a choice in these stupid polls. NOTA in this case would have probably gotten your vote, since you clearly want to vote for Keyes.
JMR
Aside from showing up at the last debate who even knew he was running. If you want to be president it would be a really good idea that you let people know.
I like Keyes. I wish he would have been more visible. Given the current candidates I probably would not vote for him but if it was him against Guiliani, McCain or Huckabee I would vote for Keyes in a heart beat.
I do not want another Jimmy Carter who wants to raise taxes, give illegal aliens scholarships, close gitmo, pardons murders and wants to "fight" global warming by destroying the economy. Anyone but the Huckster.
- Immediately upon taking office he signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- He raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- He supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- He created a $5.25 per day bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- He publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- He proposed another sales take hike in 2002 to fund education improvements
- He raised taxes on cigarettes in 2003
- He opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- He allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- He increased taxes in the state by more than Bill Clinton did
- He increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- The number of state government workers rose 20% during his tenure
- Governor Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President
- Overall, Huckabee’s substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax
cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his
tenure.
As soon as I saw something about Ann Coulter, I quit reading except to see who wrote it. No Baptist Minister should even be around her. You don't believe in her orientation.
I never expected Romney by 50% on this poll. I thought it would be a little more even distributed. Sort of like the national polls. I just this poll is more accurate than the media's. I would like to see Romney win Iowa and then go on to win the GOP nomination.
I was thinking about it today and wondering when the last time we had a president whose last name had more than 2 syllables. Well I just checked and it was JFK. As an aside, there have only been 12 presidents that had last names that were 3 syllables or more.
Let's hope that means that Obama and Huckabee won't win.
At this moment, Thompson is a distant second to Romney on this poll, with the Huckster slightly behind [22% to 21%]. There's still hope for true conservatives!
Chai
"Our people have shed more blood for the liberty and freedom of other peoples...than all the other countries put together. And I don't feel any need to apologize for the United States of America" Fred Thompson
that I thought Thompson [or anyone else] would win this poll, I said it was interesting that, at the moment I was typing, he was in second place, just ahead of Huckabee. Most every poll I heard about in the past few days put him in a distant 4th place, so I felt encouraged. I still do.
Chai
"Our people have shed more blood for the liberty and freedom of other peoples...than all the other countries put together. And I don't feel any need to apologize for the United States of America" Fred Thompson
is really the only reliable poll you can trust. All the others are meant to deceive, overwhelm, and perhaps even twist elections in certain directions.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. - J.B. Books (John Wayne)
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The media. The results will
January 3, 2008 - 16:50 ET by Chris NormanThe media. The results will fuel Chris Matthews' mouth non-stop for several days.
Good answer Chris and not
January 3, 2008 - 16:58 ET by BlazerGood answer Chris and not far from the truth either. The liberal media win's. True conservatives lose.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Blazer,I have a second
January 3, 2008 - 17:16 ET by Chris NormanBlazer,
I have a second choice: "I win". I'm so sick and tired of hearing about Iowa and it's virtues - real or pander (with apologies to any Iowans here)- I don't care who wins - just as long as it's over.
I concur Chris but there
January 3, 2008 - 17:37 ET by BlazerI concur Chris but there are plenty of primaries left and then the real plowing begin's. 08' will be a hard row to hoe.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Blazer, But those primaries
January 3, 2008 - 17:47 ET by Chris NormanBlazer,
But those primaries will come fast and furious. No months for the MSM to stand around making pandering blanket statements about how Iowans "take their politics seriously" (all 10% of 'em)and "Iowans don't go for negative ads".
I feel ya' Chris. The
January 3, 2008 - 17:57 ET by BlazerI feel ya' Chris. The candidates and media, grovel and beg at the feet of Iowan's for a few month's every four year's, but the rest of time thier just "flyover country".
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Living in the flyover
January 3, 2008 - 18:09 ET by Chris NormanLiving in the flyover country of New Mexico, I know how it feels. Heck, we don't even get our temperature mentioned on The Weather Channel. :)
Y`all
January 3, 2008 - 22:21 ET by drillanwrYou'd think Ohio was important to them, after all the fuss from the 2004 election and the MSM and democrats LOOKING for a state to dispute ...
But we're not that big a deal, unless some serial killer is from Ohio ... or voting machines are made here in a presidential election year.
As for the weather channel ... We could get kicked in the ass up one side and down the other by a huge storm system (winter or summer) and it ain't really news to TWC until it crosses over PA. into New York ... Then it's friggin' Armageddon for "The East Coast!", with an ever so brief mention of "having done some damage in the Ohio area" ...
Yunz guys are "fly over" country ... We're where they dump the planes'/jets' toilet holding tanks as they fly over us.
drill
January 3, 2008 - 22:26 ET by BlondeWould you feel better if I sent you a hurricane or two?
I'd be happy to oblige.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
But what they don't know is that Ohio runs the country.
January 3, 2008 - 22:54 ET by AJSHOPEAll of congress' and the President's checks are written and cut in Columbus, Ohio. And any piece of military equipment that has to go overseas has to get approval from DSCC in Columbus as well.
We keep the country running.
AJ -
January 3, 2008 - 23:31 ET by drillanwrThey're just ungrateful children, they are ...
Blonde -
Don't bother wasting a perfectly good hurricane on Ohio ... Wouldn't get serious TWC coverage until it headed into New York. Besides, Jim Cantore wouldn't bring his bald-head to Ohio for nuttin' ...
On Liberals by Ben Kenobi on Liberals
January 4, 2008 - 00:13 ET by Martha FI really don't appreciate having someone say,
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
You don't even know me or probably any liberals. They wouldn't dare talk to your closed mind.
Iowa Caucus
January 3, 2008 - 18:41 ET by PShannonI must admit, I am quite surprised at the results (so far).
The media has decided. They
January 3, 2008 - 17:04 ET by DaBirdThe media has decided. They have chosen Huckabee and Obama or Clinton. They like Huck because he's a beatable conservative. And they'll take either Obama or Clinton. The media loves the idea of four or eight years of either a woman or a black man in the oval office, as long as they are democrat of course.
The media has spoken.
correction, he is a
January 3, 2008 - 17:08 ET by Conservative Voicecorrection, he is a beatable Republican who should of ran as a Democrat. He is not a conservative. Anyone who plays the class envy card is not a conservative.
I didn't think Democrats
January 3, 2008 - 17:16 ET by balboaI didn't think Democrats had any religious members? How would that have worked?
He would have had to compete
January 3, 2008 - 17:23 ET by Chris NormanHe would have had to compete with Obama in the African American Baptist churches. I don't think he would have gotten very far either. Now if Bill Clinton ran, that'd be another story...
The Democrats don't have any religious members?
January 4, 2008 - 00:06 ET by Martha FWhat is wrong with you? I am a very religious democrat, Hillary Clinton spent the majority of her life working for the United Methodist Church and so did Elizabeth Edwards. John Edwards has told us many times that he was raised Baptist, but he has not mentioned he is a United Methodist now. Democrates just don't brag about their relisous beliefs, or give sermons instead of speaches. Obama is an Evangelical Christian. Don't you pay any attention? Hmmmm--- I've watched all the debates including the republican debates and know what I am talking about. Have you, and do you? I doubt it. They still believe in the separation of church and state. That is one reason we left England!
The Media is STILL trying to talk.
January 4, 2008 - 00:15 ET by Martha FIt won't be Obama or Hillary. It will be Obama and Edwards. No more Clintons.
Unfortunately all the polls
January 3, 2008 - 17:05 ET by Conservative VoiceUnfortunately all the polls and http://www.intrade.c... have Huckaberry winning, but I am hoping that the people of Iowa will be smarter than choose Huck, as anyone is better than Huck.
National Review Gives us Hope
January 3, 2008 - 17:23 ET by deerjerkydaveMark Steyn over at National Review gives us a little hope. He hints that he has an early exit poll that is not good for Huckabee. If this is true, it shows that Huckabee had a lot of support but not enough to get his people to the caucus.
http://corner.nation...
Romney by a burger
January 3, 2008 - 17:27 ET by Lame CherryAll that meat Romney fed those Iowarns will give him the gossip party by a burger.
I just do not see Huckabee drawing in those Baptists as Iowa is not a Baptist state........so in his running to Jay Leno, he is starting to fade.
Of course, I still do not see McCain placing anything but Iowarns just dug him and Huckster.
The person to watch is Fred Thompson's showing. I think he will do better than expected with the others fading fast.
But then who cares.........the media only covers Obama, the sometimes black man, sometimes church goer and all the time grinning dupe thinking he is going to win this in the long run.
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Thompson? Nope!
January 4, 2008 - 00:20 ET by Martha FFortunately the African American won tonight, and he will bring Edwards right along with him. They can beat any republican. Because they are smarter, wiser and more in tune with the American people. You will see.
Martha
January 4, 2008 - 00:52 ET by mastersofdeceitYou mean 1/2 black 1/2 white. True it is historic though.
I love watching new trolls bounce around.
"And if these young negroes don't quit messing with the democratic bunch they are going to be right back where we started from. If they only know as I know they would struggle to keep such from happening."-Pg.114
mastersofdeceit
January 4, 2008 - 20:55 ET bywhat a marvelous link
GoHunter08
Why is Alan Keyes not a choice?
January 3, 2008 - 17:40 ET by c5thenYes, he is running. Is NB becomming like the MSM that we all loathe?
No I don't expect him to win, but it would be nice if he was a choice in your poll, because I think he will surprize alot of people.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
I suspect...
January 3, 2008 - 17:51 ET by sarcasmoSomeone unwillingly but very suddenly understands how I often feel. ;) Welcome to my world.
But I agree that Keyes should be a choice, to be serious for a moment...And of course I'd have always supported NOTA being a choice in these stupid polls. NOTA in this case would have probably gotten your vote, since you clearly want to vote for Keyes.
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)
Keyes isn't a choice
January 3, 2008 - 18:42 ET by IamTinmanbecause the question was "Who do you think will win?" not "Who is running?".
Keyes seems to be a very nice fella, but he hasn't a snowballs chance. No sense in wasting the pixels.
Alan Keyes
January 3, 2008 - 19:14 ET by ReaganJrAside from showing up at the last debate who even knew he was running. If you want to be president it would be a really good idea that you let people know.
I like Keyes. I wish he would have been more visible. Given the current candidates I probably would not vote for him but if it was him against Guiliani, McCain or Huckabee I would vote for Keyes in a heart beat.
"Remember Reagan Jr.,
January 3, 2008 - 19:22 ET by Blazer"Remember Reagan Jr., if a conservative appoint's a black man, or woman into office, it still doesn't mean thier not racist."
Signed,
Colin, n' Condi
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
"There will be cake after this test."
Well, well --
January 4, 2008 - 00:22 ET by Martha FYou are quite the bigot aren't you? How about giving it up like most Americans did 100 years ago.
Romney better beat the Huckster
January 3, 2008 - 18:50 ET by PopularTechI do not want another Jimmy Carter who wants to raise taxes, give illegal aliens scholarships, close gitmo, pardons murders and wants to "fight" global warming by destroying the economy. Anyone but the Huckster.
Huckabee: Raising Taxes OK (Video) (1min)
Ann Coulter: “Huckabee is the Republican Jimmy Carter” (Video) (4min)
Ann Coulter: "Huckabee Stupid and easily led" (Video) (2min)
George Will on Mike Huckabee (Video) (1min)
Another Man From Hope. Who is Mike Huckabee? (The Wall Street Journal)
Christian conservatives: Beware of Huckabee (WorldNetDaily)
Meet the Huckster (The San Diego Union-Tribune)
Mike Huckabee is far from being Reagan's heir (The Wall Street Journal)
Obama: Mike Huckabee is My Favorite GOP Candidate (Newsmax)
Rush Limbaugh: Huck 'not a conservative' (The Politico)
The Huckabee Hustle (American Thinker)
The False Conservative (Robert Novak, Townhall)
There’s a Huckabee Born Every Minute (Ann Coulter, Human Events)
"I guess Huckabee is one of those pro-sodomy, pro-gay marriage, pro-evolution evangelical Christians" - Ann Coulter
Background:
Age: 52
Education:
- Ordained to ministry Southern Baptist Convention, 1974
- B.A. Religion, Ouachita Baptist University, 1976
Crime and Punishment:
Mike Huckabee's Clemency Record Is Under Scrutiny (FOXNews)
- Huckabee granted 1,033 pardons and commutations, including 12 convicted murderers
Mike Huckabee Supported Early Release for Meth Dealers (Standard Newswire)
Mother of Dumond Victim: "If not for Huckabee, she’d be here for Christmas" (Video) (1min)
Why parole a monster like Green?
Ethics:
NBC Investigates Huckabee's Ethical Shortcomings (Video) (2min)
A Son’s Past Deeds (Dog Torture) Come Back To Bite Huckabee (Newsweek)
Huck's gift-givers ended up in state posts (Politico)
Huckabee Signed '98 Ad Urging Women to 'Graciously Submit' to Husbands
Education:
Huckabee Backs No Child Left Behind (The Hill)
Huckabee on Education: No to Vouchers, Let Government Fix It (Standard Newswire)
Homeschoolers beware! (WorldNetDaily)
- Huckabee received the endorsement of the New Hampshire NEA
HomeSchoolers Lose Ground with New Law signed by Governor Huckabee (Home School Legal Defense Association)
Fiscal Record:
A Taxing Endeavor (National Review Online)
Huckabee's Fiscal Record (FactCheck.org)
Huckabee: The Biggest Big-Government Conservative (FOXNews)
Mike Huckabee is a Liberal - Updated Huckabee White Paper (Club for Growth)
- Immediately upon taking office he signed a sales tax hike in 1996
- He raised taxes on gasoline in 1999
- He supported an internet sales tax in 2001
- He created a $5.25 per day bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001
- He publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002
- He proposed another sales take hike in 2002 to fund education improvements
- He raised taxes on cigarettes in 2003
- He opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003
- He allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004
- He increased taxes in the state by more than Bill Clinton did
- He increased state spending 65.3% from 1996 to 2004
- The number of state government workers rose 20% during his tenure
- Governor Huckabee refused to pledge not to raise taxes if elected President
Tax Hike Mike
- Overall, Huckabee’s substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax
cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his
tenure.
Foreign Policy:
Huckabee: Get Rid of Gitmo (Video) (1min)
Mike Huckabee Criticizes Bush Administration for 'Bunker Mentality' on Iraq (FOXNews)
The Holiday Inn Express Candidate (National Review Online)
The Problem With Pastor Mike (National Review Online)
Global Warming:
Huckabee is the only Republican candidate to support the economy crippling Cap and Trade CO2 Legislation, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Regulation and Renewable Energy Standards
Illegal Immigration:
Laura Ingraham: Huckabee Is A "Big Loser" On Immigration (Audio) (5min)
Huckabee Supported Scholarships for Illegal Aliens (Video) (5min)
Fact Checker: Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegals (Washington Post)
Huckabee aid plan for illegal aliens draws 'venom, anger' (Arkansas News Bureau)
Huckabee Liberal on Immigration (Standard Newswire)
Huckabee offered 'no-cost' deal for Mexican Consulate (WorldNetDaily)
Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) convention (Arkansas News Bureau)
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says (Arkansas News Bureau)
Tancredo endorses Romney: "You bet your life Huckabee was a factor" (Hot Air)
The Anti "Man-Made" Global Warming Resource
But, Huckabee is a religious
January 3, 2008 - 21:43 ET by ckc1227But, Huckabee is a religious man. Surely that makes him the most qualified.
Carter
January 3, 2008 - 21:47 ET by Free StinkerAnd Carter was a "religious man" too . . . ;-)
Newsbusters. Log on and find out What the heck is so yummy over here!
}}---> Religious Man
January 3, 2008 - 21:51 ET by Cool ArrowSo I guess Romney's out too because he's a religious man?
I ♣ My Seal
Only for those who are
January 3, 2008 - 21:54 ET by Free StinkerOnly for those who are voting solely on a candidates religion . . . and disagree with morman theology.
I would have hoped more people disagreed with Hucklebe's actuall actions/record.
Newsbusters. Log on and find out What the heck is so yummy over here!
Ordained Baptist Minister?
January 4, 2008 - 00:26 ET by Martha FAs soon as I saw something about Ann Coulter, I quit reading except to see who wrote it. No Baptist Minister should even be around her. You don't believe in her orientation.
Wow! That was a shock
January 3, 2008 - 19:17 ET by ReaganJrI never expected Romney by 50% on this poll. I thought it would be a little more even distributed. Sort of like the national polls. I just this poll is more accurate than the media's. I would like to see Romney win Iowa and then go on to win the GOP nomination.
COME ON
January 3, 2008 - 19:19 ET by charlietexasCOME ON PEOPLE.......HUNTER!!! WE NEED A PRESIDENT HUNTER......HES A GREAT GUY!!! WITH A GREAT NAME....
PLEASE CHECK HIM OUT.
LISTEN TO YOUR MOM
MOM
Speaking of names...
January 3, 2008 - 20:38 ET by AJSHOPEI was thinking about it today and wondering when the last time we had a president whose last name had more than 2 syllables. Well I just checked and it was JFK. As an aside, there have only been 12 presidents that had last names that were 3 syllables or more.
Let's hope that means that Obama and Huckabee won't win.
Charlietex
January 3, 2008 - 20:54 ET byJoseph Farah endorses Hunter
GoHunter08
Romney will probably win in
January 3, 2008 - 19:21 ET by taterRomney will probably win in a close race...I'd hope Thompson will get at least third.
Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns
Interesting
January 3, 2008 - 21:31 ET by ChaitealoverAt this moment, Thompson is a distant second to Romney on this poll, with the Huckster slightly behind [22% to 21%]. There's still hope for true conservatives!
Chai
"Our people have shed more blood for the liberty and freedom of other peoples...than all the other countries put together. And I don't feel any need to apologize for the United States of America" Fred Thompson
They didn't ask who you
January 3, 2008 - 21:34 ET by AJSHOPEThey didn't ask who you would vote for, they asked who you thought would win. I want Thompson to win, but I wasn't expecting him to win tonight.
that's why i didn't vote
January 3, 2008 - 21:37 ET byfor Duncan
GoHunter08
I didn't say
January 3, 2008 - 23:07 ET by Chaitealoverthat I thought Thompson [or anyone else] would win this poll, I said it was interesting that, at the moment I was typing, he was in second place, just ahead of Huckabee. Most every poll I heard about in the past few days put him in a distant 4th place, so I felt encouraged. I still do.
Chai
"Our people have shed more blood for the liberty and freedom of other peoples...than all the other countries put together. And I don't feel any need to apologize for the United States of America" Fred Thompson
The actual vote
January 3, 2008 - 22:41 ET by SouthernRootsis really the only reliable poll you can trust. All the others are meant to deceive, overwhelm, and perhaps even twist elections in certain directions.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. - J.B. Books (John Wayne)