Who Do You Want As 2012 GOP Presidential Nominee?

Charlie Crist
1% (74 votes)
Newt Gingrich
10% (1062 votes)
Rudy Giuliani
2% (181 votes)
Mike Huckabee
4% (408 votes)
Bobby Jindal
18% (1812 votes)
John McCain
0% (49 votes)
Sarah Palin
39% (3990 votes)
Mitt Romney
14% (1439 votes)
Michael Steele
4% (372 votes)
Fred Thompson
3% (322 votes)
Other (please name)
4% (406 votes)
Total votes: 10115

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Sarah Palin/Jindal

Sarah Palin/Jindal or..

Jindal/ Sarah Palin!!

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

  I would not have a

 

I would not have a problem with Michael Steele, and Mitt Romney (to a lesser extent.)

 

Gee, no votes for McCain..shocking..(not!!)

NO MORE RINO'S 

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Out of 200 votes, not one

Out of 200 votes, not one for McCain??

Hey what about reaching across the isle, what about being a maverick?

I hope the RNC looks at this poll, and notice something.

We want to move back to what our party SHOULD BE ABOUT.

Not in any particular order..

#1: Tax cutting

#2: spending cutting

#3: pro gun

#4: pro life

#5: no ear marks

#6: build fence

#7: clamp down on companies using illegal help

#8: fair or flat tax

#9: strong defense

#10: drill for oil

# 11: build more refineries

#12: cut foreign aid to countries that criticize us for 5 years

# 13: make election day April 16th.

#14: win the war.

#15 keep your dam hands to yourself.

#16 stop the dam bailouts!!!!

******** MAKE GOVERNMENT SMALLER********

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Now almost 600.. not one

Now almost 600..

not one vote.. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Now almost 700.. not one

Now almost 700..

not one vote..

Would someone, anyone, just vote for John, come on, thinkmaverick, think of the good times you know, Immigration, campaignspending, cap and trade, “reaching across the isle”.

You would think that John Kerry would vote for him, afterMcCain talked to him about the VP job.

Maybe John Kerry does not read NB. I wonder if Kennedy does?

 

USA... Now 5059 votes and

USA...

Now 5059 votes and only 26 for McC.

Says it all does it not?

Really always did in the long run.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Yes it does say it

Yes it does say it all.. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Gee, no votes for McCain??

I just can't bring myself to vote for a presidential candidate who's living at the Old Folks Home.....

....Or one with a toe-tag.

Almost 1700 votes.. OK who

Almost 1700 votes..

OK who voted for McCain? Three people feel sorry for the old guy?

Not me, Just wait, before you know it, he will be sticking his fingers in our eyes again.

Not to mention with the filibuster rule so close don’t be surprised if he jumps. He was looking before, remember its all about “the Maverick”. 

 

I share your concerns, USA, re: filibusters & McCain

A PROUD member of the Oogedy Boogedy branch of the GOP!

How about FRED?

He's the most Conservative of the bunch. Huckabee is a used car salesman.

Palin is good but she needs more experience. So does Jindal.

Fred would be great, if he

Fred would be great, if he wants it.

Have you seen his video on you tube, its great. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Don’t forget today: Army

Don’t forget today: Army vs Navy!!

GO ARMY/BEAT NAVY!!!

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Sorry USA - that was quite a wholloping!

A PROUD member of the Oogedy Boogedy branch of the GOP!

Ouch.. That was an A$$

Ouch..

That was an A$$ kicking..

I love the game though, I have been to 5, I always miss miss my Grandfather when its on, we never missed a game. All the way back to Black and white TV. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

I would like Fred to run

I would like Fred to run again.

I would, too! Until we can use the duct tape

on the media & press, though, a Republican doesn't stand a chance!

This election was proof-positive that the msm is capable of promoting whomever it so chooses and there isn't a darn thing we can do about it!  It was the media who selected John McCain as our candidate...because they knew he would never win over a Democrat candidate.  Little did they know how right they would have been if he hadn't selected Sarah Palin as his running mate.  She, and SHE ALONE, saved the Republican ticket from total defeat!

Perhaps before 2012 there will be many failures in the industry and they will understand we are fed up with the whole lot of them!  I sent in our cancellations to Newsweek and Time - if more conservatives would send a message to the major networks (I have done that, too) that we are no longer viewing their biased presentations, or cancel newspaper subscriptions, maybe someone might finally take notice before the final coffin nail is in place.  Though I seriously doubt it.  Liberals are never wrong in their eyes.

GOPTrust seems to be building strength and we will also have to use the internet (thank you, Newsbusters!) more powerfully in the future to compensate for the media bias. 

A PROUD member of the Oogedy Boogedy branch of the GOP!

10-4 on the duct tape

I picked Jindal for the simple reason that he's mostly under the MSM's hate-dar. So far.

But whoever wins the RepNom in 2012 is in for the same shellacking that McCain got, which style was perfected over the last 8 years against Bush. Sure, he really did screw the pooch a few times, and badly. But he was reamed just as bad when he was right.

One example, he and McCain were right about Freddie and Fannie... but who in the MSM hasn't followed the Dem line that it's all his fault?

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

It is quite obvious from

It is quite obvious from the dearth of votes for John McCain, that his "I am a Maverick" mantra did not play well with the conservatives in America.  Surprise surprise.

 He thought that if he just shafted the Republican party ENOUGH, and attended ENOUGH sunday morning shows to bad mouth his party, he would be loved.

Instead he received scorn from freind and enemy alike.

He wants to run for Senator again here in Arizona, GOD I wish we could convince Sheriff Joe Arpaio to run against him....

Here is part of my comment

Here is part of my comment copied from below....

I have a good friend who just said the other day she thinks the Republicans need to move more toward the center.  

And there I was, without my duct tape......

 

Republican Party should move more to the center

Well, I think the Republican Party should move more to the center.

Thanks to the RINOs for some time now it has been too far to the Left.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

The "maverick" thing only works

for the MSM when he's being a REPUBLICAN maverick and "reaching across the aisle." It was never, ever, ever going to get him points when he was actually running against a Democrat. Any Democrat, let alone the Chosen One.

I mean, hell, even I knew that, years ago.

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

There's a Time and a Place

Just in case you hadn't noticed . . . . today is December 6, 2008.  Please ask this question again when it actually means something. 

  Well then you can ignore

 

Well then you can ignore it.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Concentrate

Now is the time to be concentrating on philosophy, issues, organization and local races.  It's also time for us to take a media initiative.  MRC and Newsbusters have been terrific in pointing out negatives about the media.  But let's do more than cry "foul" about the way the other guys are doing it.  Let's say a lot more positive about our way.  IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL FOR OUR HIGH-RANKING ELECTED OFFICIALS TO EXPOUND, VOTE AND LIVE a conservative philosophy.

The candidate poll is useless today.  How many had even heard of Barack Obama in December of 2004?

I feel like (you should

I feel like (you should pardon the expression) the turd in the punch bowl, but much as I agree Sarah Palin is conservative and down-to-earth, I just don't think she has the chops to make it on her own on the national stage, and I doubt a couple more years as governor is going to beef her up that much. And I don't think Jindal has the temperament for a national run.

We need a strong, take-no-prisoners conservative like Newt, who I voted for.  I think Romney could be strong too. Thompson, but he has to be willing to get in there early.

I have a good friend who just said the other day she thinks the Republicans need to move more toward the center.  

And there I was, without my duct tape......

MITT MITT MITT!!! The

MITT MITT MITT!!!

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

I'm afraid I'll have to

I'm afraid I'll have to join you in the punch bowl.  I really like Sara and like what she has done in Alaska, but I don't think she will be ready for a 2012 (top of the ticket) run.  Like you said, at this point she lacks the chops. 

Not to mention that she has been so vilified by the press.  She needs to keep her head down and do her job.  Serve 2 terms as gov. then look at her options IMO.

The problem is, now that

The problem is, now that the MSM has finally found the winning "Anti-Republican Missle" strategy, any "strong" Republican is going to get the full-metal treatment.

I think most of the perception of Palin as "unworthy" (or whatever word you want to use) was planted, cultivated, and harvested by the press. It started immediate she was named for the VP slot. I think the initial enthusiasm she brought to the party scared the MSM, and they had to sink her. To listen to the cherry-picked coverage of her, one would wonder how she ever even got elected mayor, let alone governor. But, she did.

Anyway, the "scorched-earth" strategy paid off big time for the media, and you can be sure it will be used again... and again... and again. What would it be like for a Newt Gingrich? Doesn't anyone remember how they hounded him when he was speaker? Imagine if he ran for prez? I really like Newt, but the press would destroy him.

Ditto any "strong" Republican candidate. And I don't know what the answer is for that. Not as long as so much of the electorate just swallows whatever they're hand-fed, as evidence by this past election.

Sorry, I usually try to stay more upbeat.

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

IJ

I really like Newt too.  I think he would be a great President, but you're right, the press would try to destroy him.  I think he would give them a "run for their money" however.  Remember his spanking of Ron Allen at the convention?   We've got to have someone like that who won't be afraid to fight back.  After all this time, he might just be the one to do it.

<toots own horn> If you

<toots own horn>

If you guys go back to the very beginning of this thread, you will see that I brought up Newt way back then.

What I like about him is he is not afraid to say what needs to be said, and to say it bluntly.  

Stuff like this 

(You only need to watch the first minute or so to see what I mean.)

CHOPS?

“I just don't think she has the chops to make it on her own on the national stage, and I doubt a couple more years as governor is going to beef her up that much.”

Chops?  Please define what you mean.  From the rest of your entry it sounds as if you mean experience.  It has been argued many times that Governor Palin has more executive experience than McCain, Biden, and Obama put together.  (Admittedly, you and I know that it is fruitless to try to explain any of this to a liberal, but that is beside the point.)  And DON’T get me started on Obama!

I hope also you are not allowing yourself to be influenced subconsciously by the media, as PopularTech appears to be.  If so, I ask you to review my belated response to him.

Besides name and face recognition, in which Sarah Palin has all the rest beat by a mile, she also has principles, in which she has everybody beat by many miles.  During the last primary season I thought that Mitt Romney campaigned from the best position as far as principles are concerned; however, Warner Todd Huston convinced me that Mitt’s principles are not reliable from one year to the next.  And anyway that was before I got to know Sarah Palin.

For me at least Chops = principles.  And Sarah Palin has them.

Edit: I see below that PopularTech is still touting his media biased half baked diatribe against GovernorPalin.  Shame.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Joke Response

Your joke response has been destroyed by reality:

The Myth of Sarah Palin as a Fiscal Conservative

Censored Global Warming Videos

I meant I don't think she

I meant I don't think she has the political acumen to make it on the national stage.

Like her or not, she did not come off looking really good in those interviews.  She allowed herself to be "grilled."

She would face worse next time.

Politics is a lot more than simple knowledge.  If it weren't, we'd have President John Kerry right now.

 

Strong leadership is best suited to the male of our species

I am very happy to see that 2nd to Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal was picked to be our next president by your readers.

Call me a male chauvinist pig, but I believe that men and women are intrinsically different, with different strengths and weaknesses.

Examples of feminine strengths include: compassion, tenderness, nurturing support of children and appreciation and appreciation of style, beauty and art. Masculine strengths include: discipline, strength, reason, intellectual curiosity, courage and competitiveness.

There are also negative attributes pertaining to each sex, these need to be restrained by the opposite sex. Negative attributes for women include: Jealousy, seduction, manipulation, vanity and unreasoned emotion. Negative attributes common in men include: violence, irresponsibility, intimidation and sexual deviancy.

Although Sarah Palin is an excellent example of a strong women, I believe that men are intrinsically more suited to make the dispassionate decisions required by leadership, just as women are generally more suited to provide the nurturing support, required to raise children.

The popular notion that men's and women's roles are interchangeable in society is not backed-up by reason, common sense and my personal experience. Liberalism is basically a feminine view-point, which many of today's men have adapted. This is why liberals are protective of our soldiers, rather that motivated to win wars and protect our nation. This is why so much emphasis of liberals is put on the children. This is why many liberals border on socialism, to make sure that everyone is taken-care" of. This is why many of today's liberals are driven by emotion, rather than reason. This is why liberals dominate the "arts, while conservitaves dominate math and engineering fields.

The Feminizing of Society

   i see i have to reply

   i see i have to reply to keep this from being bumped again     

----- Radical  Liberal

Dude...

GG,

That's the most ridiculous comment I've ever seen about men and women.

God help you.

Are you in the closet?

Why do you hate women?

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

Thanks dodeatdog, you proved my point

Your response was completely based on emotion, without a trace of reason.

Whether you are a man or a woman, you have been feminized.

That's a nice trick

Make an idiotic post, then claim that any disagreement with it proves your point. Very obamaesque of you. 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

No emotion...answer the question.

garyganu,

Why do you hate women? 

Perfectly reasonable question...or is it too much introspection for a big fella like you...Do you often hear, "There goes Gary the Bear!" when walking down the street near the gay bar?

DogEatDog, balls and all!

"It's the world we live in!"

Why don't you just ask him

Why don't you just ask him if he has stopped beating his wife?
Your question has no legitimate foundation.
Inferring a hatred of women from his post is a wild leap.
I would wager that if he is married he treats his wife like a queen. After all, it's easy to be nice to a woman who isn't trying to 'outman' you or make you feel guilty for not acting/feeling like a woman.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Balderdash!

Care to make some more generalizations?

Leaders in particular fields are a result of societal norms.  Norms change, roles change.

Liberalism has nothing to do with a feminine view point.  To wit, the female of any species is far more ruthless about protecting her young.

You, sir, are full of it.

 

Hear, Hear, Blonde.  A

Hear, Hear, Blonde.  A wonderfully logical post.  I wonder how many of Gary's elaborations on men vs. women, all of which are stunningly stereotypical, rely on first-hand knowledge and how many are distilled from pop culture representations and pre-conceived ideology.

I'm a woman

And I agree with him. I don't see how anything he said is derogatory towards men or women.
Men and women each bring unique qualities to a relationship, which ideally, compliment each other to make up a harmonious whole.
If the two sexes don't have distinctly different gifts, traits, qualities, etc., what's the point in having two?
Vive la difference!
P.S. Just for fun, check out Rudyard Kipling's 'The Female of the Species is more Deadly than the Male'

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Relationship?

Who was talking about relationships?

The subject is leadership.

 

 

I believe that women

Are perfectly capable of assuming leadership roles.
Men are naturally more aggressive than women because they have much higher levels of testosterone.
While a woman (like Sarah Palin) may lead very well, a man (like Putin) may perceive her as weak, soft, whatever, and become more aggressive.
In the interview I saw with Putin he struck me as a stone-cold killer. Doesn't mean I wouldn't rip his throat out if he threatened my children, but I'd prefer to let my hulk of a husband deal with him as a general rule!

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

choselife3x

He was saying a man would be better suited for leadership choselife3x, I saw your debate with another poster yesterday and it seems you like to avoid questions and go off on other rants.

Hopefully you can chooselogic1x

He had my vote

Was there a question?

I must have missed that.
I simply said that I agreed with him that men and womens roles are not interchangeable. As in, each one brings something different to the table. Doesn't mean women can't be fighters/providers or that men are incapable of nurturing/caregiving, just that a complete rejection of traditional roles makes no more sense than a rigid adherence to them.
If that came off as a rant, I can assure you it was not intended as one.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Vive la difference,

Vive la difference, indeed.  But I'd prefer that that difference not be essentialized as stemming directly from what's going on between any given person's legs.

A rather crude way of putting it

JasonC
The basic premise of Gary's post was that men are more inherently aggressive than women and that aggressiveness is a more desireable trait in a leader. Also, that a man's aggressive nature is tempered by his ability to be more emotionally detached than a woman.
This issue of emotional detachment is one women commonly complain about. The issue of overall aggressiveness, well who commits more violent crimes?
As to aggression vs nurturing approach....
In a dangerous situation where one is under imminent threat of attack, who do you want to show up and take charge, Navy SEALs, or MOPs (Mothers Of Preschoolers)?

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Widen Your Circle

Men and women may very well have some intrinsic differences, but your list of supposed male and female attributes is rather stereotypical. I've known far too many women, for example, who possess some combination of the strengths you attribute to men: discipline, strength, reason, intellectual curiosity, courage and competitiveness. It makes me wonder what business and/or social circles you frequent.  

garyganu Your post is a

garyganu

Your post is a real thought-provoker (with hints of Dr. Laura from the radio).  I found myself agreeing with much of what you said…. and then I thought of Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher.  All men and all women don’t fit into simple stereotypes…. so the idea that there is no American woman who has the characteristics to become a capable, and perhaps great, President…. well, I just cannot buy into that (and maybe you don’t either).

However, your comments about the feminization of the culture and the government are absolutely on-the-target as far as I am concerned.  Liberal policy is cozy and nurturing… and it tends to ignore the integral role of the warrior (male or female) in our culture.

Since the early days of the Democratic primaries, I felt that Obama was fatally flawed as a candidate because of his tendency to be non-assertive, wimpy, milquetoast…. you might say feminized.  Looks like I was way-wrong on my projection that he would not be elected!

Remember when Walters asked him

"who has the last word"? Michelle immediately said "I do"! With a big smile. Obama concurred with "That is correct".
Gee, do ya think Muslim fundamentalists might see that as a TAD weak?!
He might as well have jumped up and screamed "I'm pu$$ywhipped"!

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

maggie, not only true that

maggie, not only true that society is becoming "feminized" but the idea that feminine traits are more desirable in a leader than masculine.

It starts very early in childhood, with girls being praised for their good behavior in school and boys being disciplined for not behaving like the girls.  Boys are  medicated for "ADD" far more often than girls, because they won't sit still like girls do. 

We are approaching a mindset which says  women actually make better leaders because they are less agressive, work bettter with others, seek compromises, etc.

I frequently said when HRC was running and she and Pelosi would make comments on being a woman and a mother qualifying one for leadership, that they might want to be careful about that, or it might be pointed out that men were naturallly better at some things, which the women wouldn't like at all.

choselife & mb

1)  Missed that interview, but agree that Michelle has the ‘stronger, more-aggressive’ personality!  The powers-that-be must be twisting themselves into pretzels figuring out how to ‘present’ Michelle to the American people for the next four years.  On the one hand, if the culture is substantially feminized, the American people like the subservient Barack and the dominant Michelle.  But if the American people still want a strong President, the White House staff will be working overtime to keep their joint interviews to a minimum.  (Agree, the guy is clearly whipped.)  

2)  MB… you are so right about the school system (right up through college) pinning the star on female characteristics… while deploring that which is ‘mindless, brutish and male’…. you know, the characteristics of our current President who is nothing but an idiot war-monger in the eyes of many.

So what about principles and character?

Your analysis of leadership leaves out principles and character, as I discuss above.

For people that think principles and character are unimportant Obama should be the greatest president ever.  As far as I am concerned, I hope and pray we are able to make it to 2012.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Liberalism is basically a

Liberalism is basically a feminine view-point, which many of today's men have adapted. This is why liberals are protective of our soldiers, rather that motivated to win wars and protect our nation.

Really?  For my money, if a geopolitical butt-kicking is called for, give me a Maggie Thatcher.

Furthermore, a well-worn conservative mantra for decades has been that liberal Democrats have been excessively war happy:  e.g. Wilson/World War I; FDR/World War II; Truman/Korea; Kennedy-Johnson/Vietnam. etc.

Jer

GaryGanu.....I have to call

GaryGanu.....I have to call BS on this one!

I know a bunch of strong women. Being a drag racer, I know a lot of strong fast women!! I've seen many a gal jump in a 330 mph race car, or crawl on top of a 200 mph bike and go straight for the jugular!

Again, I'm really biased, because no one since Reagan himself has excited me like Palin has. She is a strong leader. She had no problem taking on the folks in her own party who were corrupt. Thanks to her, most of the leadership of the party, including the chairman were forced the leave the regulatory commission she ran as well as the party. 

Then for good measure she took out the sitting Governor, a Republican, in a landslide. Then she beat a former democrat Governor for the job! 

She hunts, kills, field dresses, and then cooks her own food! And looks darn good doing it. 

The only thing wrong with Palin, was McCain....that guy is a disaster. 

Do what I did, do some research on the Governor......she's got a nice story to tell. 

 

www.teamsarah.org

 

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Well, you're certainly

Well, you're certainly right that there are some strong women out there. Not gonna argue with that. GaryGanu made a general statement, and that's always dangerous.

But his central point, that men and women have some intrinsic differences between them (besides the obvious ones, I mean) is pretty much valid. Physical strength is one obviously. Not that all women are weaker physically than all men, but it's a generally observable fact. I have one example posted below.

And no, I don't hate women, if anyone's wondering. Like Rush, I love the women's movement... especially when I'm walking behind it.

It's probably a good thing for me that most of them (most, I say) can't kick my a$$ right about now.

I hope.   ;^)

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

You can't say you're surprised, gary

Challenging such a popular attitude was bound to draw some fire. Dogeatdog is just trolling, from what I've seen. But a couple of regulars seem to take umbrage with your observation.

I would suggest that people check with their local fire and police departments and their academies. They will find that women are paid the same as men, but have to meet lesser physical qualifications, due to their physical differences. This may not be true everywhere, but it is in lots of departments.

Things like running times and distances, carrying of weight (like YOU if you need to be removed from a burning building), and other physical feats, are scaled back for female candidates, in recognition of their general lesser strength and endurance than male candidates.

Men and women are different, thank God. Vive la difference!These government entities recognize this difference, and encode it into labor laws affecting public safety.

Funny how we're not allowed to notice or mention it.

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

Not trolling...just making people think.

IndyJoe,

The primary goal of this site is to expose & combat liberal bias in the media. There are a few, very few liberals on this site. Anyone that holds a contrarian viewpoint to the majority becomes a "troll". A few things happen to the contrarian or "troll", they are banned and censored, they leave never to return, or become a "Alan Colmes" robot. (Even Colmes of FoxNews is being shown the door.) The lifespan of a "troll" is how long on this site if they decide not to leave?

I pointed out the stupidity in Ganu's statement and the linking of feminism and liberalism as pure bullshit. Ganu is a misogynist. He tapped into the enjoyment of this site's conservative majority to hate a group of people, namely liberals, and then proceed to attach the idea of feminism to it. And I'm labeled a "troll" while other posters are bashing Ganu's statements...Thanks.

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

 had to go with Newt but

 had to go with Newt but it is very early

       

----- Radical  Liberal

I fell that it is too early

I feel that it is too early to be making such decisions.  I think our energy would be better spent picking up seats in 2010 and nurturing some of the talent we have.

I would like to see Michael S do some great work for the RNC first.  

needs more experience?

you mean, like the community agitator?

 

No, they (Palin & Jindal) do not need more experience.  They only thing they need is a spine to push back at the liberal media when they start attacking about "no experience".  

Well we have lots of time to

Well we have lots of time to work it out.

 

I have seen Jindal quite a few times on TV and I like him.

As far as Newt, it seemed like he was sliding toward the left a little, (global warming etc..) but compared to anything that we have had for 8 years he is still light years ahead.

Mitt might be a good choice if the economy is still in a wreck.

 

Basically almost anyone on this list is better then what we got.

 

Somehow the RNC needs to work on the whole primary system where liberals in the party get more consideration then they deserve early on. As well as the cross over votes.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

  I have been wondering

  I have been wondering how, after obama leaves office, that the media is going to top all of the over the top rhetoric used to praise 'The One'.  I mean, how can they create another savior?  Well that person is considering stepping forward, ready to take hillarys place as a Senator from New York, Caroline Kennedy.  A Kennedy!!  (OMG) The media will go even more ecstatic than it has for obama.  If she wants to be President, as far as the elites are concerned, it's hers for the asking.  But what about 'The One'?  If they can have a Kennedy he will be forgotten as fast as they dumped bill clinton (the man that the media used to praise as the most popular politician of the modern era).

Note to RNC: Notice how many

Note to RNC:

Notice how many votes McCain is getting?

 

HE IS NOT THE LEADER OF THE PARTY,

 

 (well not ours any way).

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Speaking of "saviors"....

It is amusing to see such comments on a site where Palin veneration is so rampant.

Too soon to predict...

Palin???

Not a snowball's chance in hell...unless you think hell has frozen over by electing the first black US President...then yeah she's got a chance.

Still it's too soon...

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

Burn me once shame on you.....

Fred is a great politician, for about 15 minutes and then he gets tired and is looking for a place to nap.  I was fully behind him, then you never seen him on the trail.  Fox news was even commenting on it.

Newt is too publicity happy, global warming happy. ala Nancy Pelosi

Huck is too Huck.  Mitt is (i'm sorry) a flip flopper.

Sarah and Bobby are our best hope if they distinguish themselves in the next 4-8 yrs

I don't really know enough about Mr. Steele but I'll be looking

Palin/2012 Signage

click on my name for a sign I made up and has been in the village square for weeks since the election.

Why Not to Vote for Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads (Video)

Palin says daughter, 17, is pregnant (Anchorage Daily News)

Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)

Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming — and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)

Transcript of Palin, Biden debate

MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"

PALIN: "I do. I do."

Palin denounces Wall Street "greed" to big money donors (FOX News)

Sarah Palin

Age: 44

Religion:
- Pentecostal

Education:
- Attended, Hawaii Pacific University, 1982
- Attended, North Idaho College, 1983-1984
- Attended, University of Idaho, 1984-1985
- Attended, Matanuska-Susitna College, 1985
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987

Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 7,028) (Votes: 909)
- Failed Candidate, Lieutenant Governor, Alaska, 2002
- Resigned, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (1+1/2 years) (pop: 670,053)

Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
- Director, Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., 2003-2007

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Palin is no Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan:

Age: 70 (When Elected President)

Religion:
- Presbyterian

Education:
- B.A. Economics and Sociology, Eureka College

Professional Experience:
- Actor, 1937-1965
- President, Screen Actors Guild, 1947-1952, 1959-1960
- Second Lieutenant, United States Army Reserve, 1935-1942
- Captain, United States Army Air Force, 1942-1945

Political Experience:
- Governor, California, 1966-1974 (pop: 19,953,134) (8 years

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PT, I like Palin, but am

PT,

I like Palin, but am not diehard supporter or anything - but, really, why do you feel compelled to run such a vendetta against her here? Does she owe you money? Did she turn you down for a date in high school? What?

its a hot button

If you say you don't like Palin you get attacked.  If you say you're unsure, you must simply be uninformed. If you say you want someone with more experience you're called a liberal and/or asked if you voted for Obama.

Yes there are certainly trolls but long time members get treated like one if they don't go crazy for Palin.  Unfortunately, there is no right way to approach the subject.

One can express non-support

One can express non-support for any candidate, but if you've been here any length of time at all, you'd know that "Popular Tech" has devoted many feet of thread length to running down Gov Palin. It begs the question, why the complete hostility and devotion of effort?

It is ok to not support Palin

I haven't run her down with the propaganda spread by the MSM, I have instead proven her to be unqualified. Unfortunately some of the points the MSM brings up are relevant as I have listed. Claiming I am hostile is pure nonsense.

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Oh, for pete's sake,

Oh, for pete's sake, Popular Tech, don't be disingenuous. Almost every time there's a thread about Palin, you drop in your archived anti-Palin screed. I'm not that big of a fan of her's and even I've wondered what it is about her that caused you to assemble and repeatedly launch your list. To deny your hostility after posting so many is laughable and lessens your credibility.

Please don't make assumptions

I am an analyst and have come to the conclusions that social conservatives and conservative women vote based on emotions not facts. The Palin obsession is as bad as the left's obsession with Obama. I am attempting to appeal to the more rational logical thinkers who read NB.

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Well, PT,

I consider myself a "rational logical thinker." Ditto Chris Norman and many others here. And I have to agree with CN on this one. The "obsession" I see here regarding Palin is yours in being on this Crusade to tear her down.

What's Palin's great crime? Apparently, it's not having a nice, thick, acceptable resume to qualify for a job in Washington. She's not a member of the elite. Well, pardon me, but of the many people who claim we need to "shake up Washington," I actually believe it.

And all this talk about "qualifications" for VP is really something completely new, out of left-field, which seems to only be applied to Palin. I don't know who compared her to Reagan, but that's ridiculous on the face of it: Reagan never ran for VP.

The only time a VP ever was relevant was if a President died in office. And that's happened to plenty of younger men. Seems I read somewhere that the actuarial tables gave Obama and McCain pretty equal shots at surviving in office. Not sure if it was one or two terms, though. But the "McCain is old" was a Democrat talking point, and making an argument suddenly elevating the importance of the VP based entirely on his possible death is just gruesome.

Now, you don't like Palin, fine, that's your right. And some of us were ready for a true breath of fresh air in Washington, and that's our right. But to deny that you've been carrying out a vendetta on her here on the boards is, as has been said, completely disengenuous. And doubting the thought processes of those who disagree with you is pretty elitist, too. No assumption there, you came right out and said it.

No room for other opinions in your philosophy, Horatio?

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

Palin = the far right Obama

You guys keep posting nonsense hype about her and simply because I am the most vocal voice of reason, it becomes some sort of crusade to tear her down? NO, I have had a problem with all the ridiculous hype about her from day one.

Again we go back to the populist rhetoric of class warfare. I sure as hell don't want to nominate someone people associate with on a personal level. I want to nominate the best person for the job and it is NOT Sarah Palin. I have repeated over and over that I am sure she is a nice person but she is hyped by her fanatics as much as Obama is by the left. You intentionally ignore serious policy positions with her, ignore her joke resume and keep repeating long ago debunked myths about her - yeah I guess I do have a problem with that.

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You can deny it all you

You can deny it all you want, but the length, ferocity, and sheer number of your anti-Palin posts speak for themselves. With the GOP down to crumbs, we need every little scrap of power we can get. The party and the conservative philosophy isn't served well by such bile against itself from within - which makes me and others wonder if you are truly within...

Conspiratorial Propaganda

Please count the number of pro Palin posts vs mine on this site. 

Oh so now everyone has to bow down to what some people declare should be done? So no one is allowed to object to what they knew would lose the election? I don't think so. I don't want 8 years of Obama. Hey look I tried to warn you people about what was coming once he picked Palin and everyone thought I was crazy, now everyone is making excuses for her.

The GOP has become a joke on fiscal issues. I vote either independent, libertarian or republican. I am no party member nor am I a liberal democrat nor have I ever voted for a democrat.

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Nice list...

Popular,

I thought she had won Miss Alaska...dang!

You know what they say about second place? It's the first place loser!

To all those Sarah fans- If God is on Sarah's side...why did she lose? If God has touched her as the anointed one...why did she lose? If prayer is such a powerful force and the GOP is full of Christians praying for a positive outcome in the election...why did she lose? If God wanted her to be the next leader of the GOP...why doesn't the majority in the GOP support her?

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

Nice try, but....

Attempting to appeal to Palin fans with reason is, unfortunately, an exercise in futility.

This from the guy with all

This from the guy with all the reasoning power of a gerbil in a wheel.

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Jack

and with the same futile determination to actually get somewhere... 

Chris -- thank goodness you

Chris -- thank goodness you didn't lower yourself to bring Richrd Gere into the gerbil conversation.

You're way too classy for such juvenile utterances. Unlike me! 

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Now, no matter whatever bad

Now, no matter whatever bad may happen today, I still proudly carry around the "classy" label from no less than Mr. Bauer. :)

ha ha.  Talking class in

ha ha.  Talking class in America. Chris are you old enough to remember when the Democrats were all about the "working-classes."

What ever happened to them? 

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

I think by "working

I think by "working classes", they meant Democrat-voting union members - the rest are considered by them to be ignorant, backward neanderthals. For that matter, many elitist one-time hippy Democrats consider the union members to be the same thing - they just don't say it out loud.

You need to check the

You need to check the Republican ticket. That would be the one which lost the recent general election.

You sound like a remarkably uniformed person, and not too bright either.

2/10, but only because you can use a spell check device.

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Checking...turning on light in basement...

Sorry, I'm not in a uniform...what would you like to see me in?  Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not on your level of the dimwitted!

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not on

Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not on your level of the dimwitted! 

You would have to be 4 times smarter than you currently are to reach the level of "dimwit"

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Thanks...

FreeStinker,

Let me try this with you...

"You sound like a remarkably uniformed person, and not too bright either."

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

What you fail to understand

What you fail to understand is that I can tell the difference between a guy who makes spelling errors, and a guy who is just plain ignorant.

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Thanks...

FreeStinker,

...Of course, he was trying to use the word, "uninformed", while attacking me for being not too bright. BTW-"uniformed" is spelled correctly...his 'spell check' must be working, too. He forgot to reread his statement. I'd call that negligence or a reading comprehension problem.

Gosh, if I'm not too bright and- as you have pointed out- ignorant...I can only imagine what your friends think of you as they wipe your drool from your face.

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

What Spell Check ?

his 'spell check' must be working, too

What spell check?

NB doesn't have that feature.

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

DogEatDog

Welcome to Newbusters. Just a bit of advice, calling people names and nitpicking about spelling will give you a troll label very quickly. Especially when they are toward a very respected member like Jack.

He had my vote

The irony though...

...is when someone like "Jack Bauer" of esteemed quality tries to be funny while in the process of attacking someone- absolutely screws it up. Now, that's funny. 

Just my 2 watts...

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

Huh??  First off, I

Huh?? 

First off, I don't "try" to be funny. I either am or I am not. It's all effortless. Your choice.

Second off, I congratulated you on your ability to run a spell check. What has THAT got to do with me missing a typo.

Now had I hammered you for misspellings, then done the same myself, I could actually agree with your weakish point. But dude -- IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE otherwise.

Buy the waye -- i am note, and have nevr bein a grammer Nartzi on fast moving blogggs 

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Shawn -- dude, you humble me

Shawn -- dude, you humble me by leaping to my defense. I knew there's a reason you are my fave lib on site!  I won't make the obvious fawn228  joke. I  take respect anywhere I can find it.

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Then I'll spell this out

Then I'll spell this out for you. Sarah Palin did not LOSE the recent election, as you so erroneously claim.

She was the defeated VP candidate chosen by John McCain.

The bottom of the ticket does not LOSE an election. Or win it either.

That would be the top of the ticket. In fact, if it wasn't for Palin, McCain would probably have garnered an even lower percentage of the vote.

If you don't have anything better to contribute than your own fanatical hatred of Sarah Palin, I suggest you stick to actual fantasy-hate sites like DHummies and Kos.

It's boring, repititious and tedious. Nothing new or original here. We get enough of that from PT ad nauseum... and he's some sort of conservative.

Also - you flippantly bring God into this, and I find that bizarre. What exactly was your purpose here?

To insult God -- waste of time. He's heard it all, and then some.

To insult people who believe in God -- again, waste of time as they really could care less about what you think of their beliefs. Though all surveys indicate that over 80% of the US population are Christian, so you are aiming high, at least.

To insult Sarah Palin's belief in God? Again -- like she could care less. It is a constant theme in the lefty hate sites, so it's not as if she hasn't heard it all.

I have noted, though, that the left never insults Bracks Obama's oft cited beliefs in God. Or his followers in the black churches who also believe in God. Or those black churches which oppose homosexual "marriage."

Ah -- I get it. It must be specific to Palin. It's HER belief in God you don't like for some perverted reason. It's her Sunday (and everyday, for all I know) worship you find offensive. Well she is a white woman, not a black man, so maybe you're just some old-fashioned racist.

Who knows. And to be honest, who really cares on Newsbusters.

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

"To all those Sarah fans-

"To all those Sarah fans- If God is on Sarah's side...why did
she lose? If God has touched her as the anointed one...why did she
lose? If prayer is such a powerful force and the GOP is full of
Christians praying for a positive outcome in the election...why did she
lose?"

Because we elect presidents, not vice presidents? Get back to us when she actually runs for something.

"Libs never let you down. You don't have to talk to one very long before the stupid comes out."

ckc1227, "Because we

ckc1227,

"Because we elect presidents, not vice presidents? Get back to us when she actually runs for something."

We don't elect Vice-Presidents?!?

A Vice-President serves at the behest of the President?

A Vice-President can be fired or removed from office by the President?

Ummm... Idiocy-never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

ckc1227...you should check the Constitution before making idiotic statements.

DogEatDog

"It's the world we live in!"

"We don't elect Vice-Presidents?!?"

Tell you what, Chuckles. Next time, try to vote for the top of one ticket, and the bottom of the other, and get back to us.

I'll give you a hint: the VP nominee is hand-picked by the POTUS nominee. It's a package deal. And how much you wanna bet that the President can't get the VP to "resign," if he so desires? 

I'll take the "can" side of that wager. Ever hear of Spiro Agnew? Sure, I've read Article XII, who hasn't? But what "elector" would ever split his vote, even if his state law allowed it? Considering that the "electors" are the winning party's "electors," I'd say not many. How did you think this worked?

Reality, dude. Try it sometime.

"Idiocy-never underestimate the power of stupid people..."

No spell-check was used in the creation of this post.

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

A Vice-President can be

A Vice-President can be fired or removed from office by the President?

You must be thinking of some other country. Cuba, maybe.

Outside death, there is only ONE constitutional device for removing the Vice President from office.

Look it up.

Oh okay - I give in, it is my sincere pleasure to point you in the right direction...

The Vice President is neither a member of the executive nor the legislative branch. Constitutionally, the Vice President is not a subordinate of the President.

The President has no power to issue orders to the Vice President; and he cannot remove him from office. The Vice President can be removed only after a successful impeachment by the House; followed by a successful trial in the Senate, where he/she is found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors by a two thirds majority of members present.

Honest to God -- you bring nothing to Newsbusters, except maybe your own ignorance. But it's probably not your fault. This is what the marxist-leftist stranglehold on the education industry (at all levels) has produced.

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Cute! Who are we to ask

Cute!

Who are we to ask God why?

Maybe it simply wasn't her time, ever thought about that? 

Let me help ya! 

If she and McCain took office, I'm not sure McCain would have done better than BoBo will, and he is gonna be a disaster of biblical porportions! 

Sarah, would have been busting her butt, but Mr Reach Across The Isle  would have done more harnm to her, than good.

Remember, Ronald Reagan lost in 1976 to BoBo's role model, Jimmy Carter. It took America going stupidly for Carter to give us our greatest President, Ronald Reagan.

Again, BoBo is gonna be a disaster of the highest order. 

I'm not saying Sarah Palin is Ronald Reagan, yet. But she sure has a lot of him in here. Reagan is the one President she admires, and has studied. 

And for those that don't quite get it, this is why Palin fans go nuts for her. We all see it, and hear it. No one, not even That One, can fire a crowd up like Sarah Palin. You can't teach what she has. You either got it, or you don't.

With 4 more years under her belt, and a little polishing the rough edges, she will be the next President, hands down. 

In the pole here, and every honest poll, if there is such a thing, she has the same kind of lead as she does here. And you guys are smarter than most. 

 

www.teamsarah.org

 

.

...and for me that is what

...and for me that is what is wrong with this country...going by polls and going nuts as you say above for a candidate just because he/she can electrify a crowd.

Seems to me this was just done to us....by an empty suit...I don't ant this to happen again by another on our side of the aisle.

there have been things I do not like about Palin, have posted as such long, long ago...and I sure do not agree with her about illegal immigration and amnesty...she is not all that much different than McC in a lot of ways of what she has done with the dems in Ak and against the repubs/conservatives plus oil and related companies.

People really need to learn more before going completely nuts over someone they really know little about when we have a lot more time yet.

I'm not going to argue with friends here about her, I was tickled when she was named because of the MSM mainly, and it gave pathetic McC a big boost...I loved the repub convention and all the speeches ect...but I voted for the 'R' ticket because of my fear of Soros/O ticket and exactly what is going to be coming down the road for us very soon...in full force in the next two years.

We are going to need a full conservative in my opinion, not another RINO light.

I do not have links as FS and PT do, I do know what I have heard with my own ears and have read over the years, let alone talking to some friends from Ak. when I used to live there, plus our own relatives that reside there also.

Leaving it at that.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

.. and the rest of the story, PT, is:

I have lost track of how many time you have posted this list, PT; but this is the second time I have pointed out to you that you left out all of Palin’s accomplishments so as to provide as dismal curriculum vitae as possible.  It looks as if you used the usual suspect MSM sources for your research.

Here are the sorts of things that you and the MSM ignore about Sarah Palin:
- Invested $5 billion in state savings for Alaska,
- Overhauled education funding (how many of us would like to see that in our states!)
- Implemented the Senior Benefits Program that provides support for low-income older Alaskans.
- During her first legislative session, Governor Palin’s administration passed two major pieces of legislation – an overhaul of the state’s ethics laws (how many of us would like to see that in our states!) and a competitive process to construct a gas pipeline.
- Prior to her election as governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business friendly environment, drawing in new industry.
- She was elected by her peers to serve as president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.
- She has served as chair of the Alaska Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska's most valuable non-renewable resources: oil and gas.

From Wikipedia:
After resigning, Palin filed a formal complaint against Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner Randy Ruedrich, also the chair of the state Republican Party,[59] accusing him of doing work for the party on public time and of working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. She also joined with Democratic legislator Eric Croft[60] to file a complaint against Gregg Renkes, a former Alaskan Attorney General,[61] accusing him of having a financial conflict of interest in negotiating a coal exporting trade agreement,[62] while Renkes was the subject of investigation and after records suggesting a possible conflict of interest had been released to the public.[63] Ruedrich and Renkes both resigned and Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[57][8]

And here is the thing that says it all:
Governor Palin has the highest approval rating by far of any of our 50 governors.

It is too bad that you, like the MSM, sneer at accomplisments like these by a young and very capable politician, who has genuine integrity. 

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

The Myth of Sarah Palin as a Fiscal Conservative

1. If Alaska had $5 Billion in savings then why did she not move to implement a tax cut? Hardly fiscally conservative!

2. Overhauled? She increased spending!
Gov. Sarah Palin aims to boost spending on schools (Anchorage Daily News)
Yearly school spending $1 billion in Palin plan (Anchorage Daily News)

3. Implementing new government spending programs is hardly fiscally conservative

4. As mayor of Wasilla she got $27 million in ear marks and left the city $20 million in debt!

Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming — and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)
MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript of Palin, Biden debate)

Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
ADN: "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?"
PALIN: "Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." - (Anchorage Daily News, 2006)

Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations (USA Today)
- As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. (ADN)
- In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. (ADN)
- Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of Wasilla. (POLITICO)

Palin denounces Wall Street "greed" to big money donors (FOX News)

Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News)
Palin backed Alaskan windfall-profits tax (Hot Air)

Gov. Sarah Palin aims to boost spending on schools (Anchorage Daily News)
Yearly school spending $1 billion in Palin plan (Anchorage Daily News)

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Clearly you are determined

Clearly you are determined upon your opinion, PT, which is fine for you.  However, so much of it is based on stuff from the Anchorage Daily News, a soul sibling of the New York Times.  That may be good enough for you in this case; but what would you think of someone blasting all of your points about Global Warming by referring to the authority of the NYT and other two-bit related far Left sources?  So far as I am concerned you have backhandedly endorsed my points.

In any case, in the end you do nothing to refute:
Governor Palin has the highest approval rating by far of any of our 50 governors.

I imagine this has the Anchorage Daily News (and the NYT?) grinding its teeth.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Approval Ratings?

If you got a fat oil tax rebate check in the mail every year from me, I would have high approval ratings too.

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Don't be afraid of Palin Supporters

There are many people here afraid to post because they are going to be shouted down by obsessed Palin supporters. If you stay quiet we are going to get 8 years of Obama. Palin only helped McCain lose the election - despite all the excuses by her obsessed fans. She does not have the qualifications to by POTUS. The problem is only non-obsessed Palin fanatics can see it.

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Obama met the same qualifications as Palin.

Where did that get him?

 

No representation, without taxation!

Uh.....PT, Governor Palin

Uh.....PT,

Governor Palin said she simply didn't want to mention any paper by name. Reading a newspaper, these days isn't exactly something most even want to admit. 

She had said, before the Perky interview that she read a variety of papers, and mentioned the Economist as a regular read.

Do you HONESTLY think that a woman who has run the agency that oversees everything to do with the multi-billion dollar oil business, a business that effects like 7 out of 10 jobs in her state, a woman who stood toe to to with the big wigs from Exxon-Mobil, Conoco-Phillips, and BP, and showed 'em how it was gonna be, doesn't read a newspaper?? 

Can you sit there and tell me that the Governor of the largest state in the union, land wise, a Governor who has 60,000 employees, oversees a budget in the 10's of billions (and will have a 5-9 billion surplus in FY 2009) doesn't read the paper? 

Come on man...wise up, uou are a whole lot better than this! 

Obsessed Palin Fans still defending her embarrassment

LMAO! Too funny that you keep spinning her epic failure to answer a simple question.

Please stop with the propaganda that she reads the Economist.

I honestly think that she couldn't answer a simple question and if she did read a newspaper she would be able to answer it. Sorry if that is too complicated logic for you!

All I ever have to do is show people this video and they understand immediately what I am talking about:

Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads (Video)

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PT...I respect you for your

PT...I respect you for your work on Algore warming....but you couldn't be more off base if you took college courses in it!

And I don't have to defend Governor Palin!

The facts speak for themselves. I mean she has the highest approval rating of any Governor. 

She knows what fiscal conservatism is. I mean so many states are in the red it's crazy. And yet, her state will have a really nice surplus. 

She ran the Alaska Oil and Gas Conswrvation Commission,  one of the toughest and more important jobs in the state.

 She is currently Chairman of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact, Commission a multi-state agency that mirrors the AOGCC. 

She is also the Chairman of the National Governors Association commission on energy. 

Frankly, with our nation needing a serious energy policy that includes actually producing energy, I can't think of ANYONE who would be better equiped to bring us energy independence. 

Palin is for the all of the above approach to energy, and she is certainly in favor of drilling in ANWR. 

She took a stalled natural gas pipeline, and got it back in motion again. 

I can't feature her not being tough on national defense either. She has the experience, as her National Guard is permantly deployed as part of the Alaska Air Defense. 

She's already a budget hawk, and smart leaders know how to pick the best help. You think she wouldn't have her pick of the best minds out there?

The Fantasy of Sarah Palin

Her state is in the red because she increased taxes on oil companies not because she cut spending.

Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News)

Our country needs carbon caps? Really?

Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)
MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript of Palin, Biden debate)

Oh no you are not going to claim she has national defense experience because the national guard is deployed? Is that some sort of joke?

'Commander' Palin and the Alaska National Guard' (Anchorage Daily News)

Drilling in ANWR is nice and all but it is not the most important thing.

So budget hawk means increased spending?

Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations (USA Today)

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PT... thank you for

PT...

thank you for explaining about the oil taxes, people that live there that do/did not agree with this are rarely heard from, the yearly Dividend Fund, let alone her ability to give a check back to people is involved in all of this, if the barrel of oil prices stay the same, things are not going to be the same in the coming year in Ak.

When she stated her answer about cap and trade I cringed, what she says about green energy I cringe, what she says about amnesty and illegal immigration, (since the election, and once right before the election with Greta) I cringed....when she pounced on Bush more than once or twice about his blunders in this war, I cringed...big-time, unfortunately, I see people either forgetting these things or intentionally looking the other way.

I really wished people would wait before already deciding she is our next candidate...we have a lot of time, so does she to change her ways, if she doesn't, I won't vote for her, then again by then all of the issues I mentioned above will already be implemented, with her buddy McC's reaching across the aisle.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

People are intentionally looking the other way with Palin

Alaska gets so much revenue from the oil companies they can give yearly checks to the tax payers. Since Palin increased this tax it is hardly surprising they would have a surplus and she can get away with increasing spending and expanding services. The whole thing is a big joke. She has done some token things and may be a nice person but this is not American Idol. The undeserved hype reminds me of what the left did with Obama.

I forgot about the Amnesty comment:

Palin: I support a path to citizenship for illegals (Hot Air)

People are intentionally looking the other way and knee-jerk defending her from the ridiculous allegations the MSM made and rightly so but in doing so they fail to see the legitimate criticisms of her.

She campaigned for governor in support of the bridge to nowhere and then when it was politically convenient opposed it. I mean come on. Yet people still defend this! Even worse list it as an accomplishment.

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"People are intentionally

"People are intentionally looking the other way and knee-jerk defending her from the ridiculous allegations the MSM made and rightly so but in doing so they fail to see the legitimate criticisms of her."

Okay, granted. Maybe there was just so much criticism about every little thing (from "Bristol is Trig's mom" to spending by the party on her wardrobe) that people went into "auto-mode" in defending her against everything. You gotta admit, the "vetting" by the press reached ridiculous (and completely unprecedented) proportions, much of it not even about "issues."

But there's a flip-side to that too: people who are so against her (maybe also "rightly so") that they have to take everything that could possibly be negative and spin it into a major failure on her part, deservedly or not. Some of the nit-picking reflected badly on folks with legitimate issues to raise.

She may be no angel. But she's also no devil. What she is, indisputably, is an "outsider." And that in itself made her pretty appealing to lots of people.

That's what's known as "meeting someone half-way."

 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." - The Who

IJ -- Bingo

IJ -- Bingo

Also -- it also seems to be the height of absurdity to use her parroting MCCAINS's platform as some form of attack on her.

Such as -- a path to citizenship for illegals. Sorry -- but that was the Presidential candidates position. Her job as VP candidate (as for all those before her) was to support him. A job she performed manfully.

If Palin is to run in 2010 onwards -- she need to do a few smart things first.

First off, is to start high level policy forums with heavtweight conservative thinkers covering Foreign policy, healthcare, energy, military, et al... put her name to published papers establishing her agenda, with the intellectual clout behind it.

She needs to channel Reagan's 25 years thinking about the direction of conservatism into 2.

Combine that with her start political appeal, and now you've got something special.

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

How crazy for people to use Palin's own words against her!

Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)

MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript)

Palin denounces Wall Street "greed" to big money donors (FOX News)

Palin: I support a path to citizenship for illegals (Hot Air)

So what you are saying is she has no integrity then.

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Once again these are McCAIN

Once again these are McCAIN positions. You don't like Palin, fine. Good for you.

But try to be honest and stop citing the man who would be President's agenda as if ANY VP nod could do anything but support the candidate.

Were't you the guy who was citing biblical text against a woman running for VP? 

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

The McCain excuse is old

Poor Sarah cannot think for herself and was nothing more then McCain's lap dog. Yawn.

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Real Issues vs Fantasy Issues

First of all I could careless about the soap opera issues with Palin outside of the major one:

Palin says daughter, 17, is pregnant (Anchorage Daily News)

Now just pretend that this was Hillary. The hypocrissy on this issue alone is simply uncomprehensible.

I am not against her, I am stunned by the ridiculous overhyping of her as the far-right's savior.

I've never called her the devil or anything close, I've called her unqualified and on the wrong side of many issues. People have a hard time associating who they are talking with. I am still getting called a liberal, that is how pathetic this is.

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Popular

Popular Tech:

Yada-yada-yada.

I suppose you still identify Mitt Romney as a great candidate?

Except, for the millions he spent in Iowa, he still couldn't buy a vote.....  Hell, I am not sure his immediate FAMILY voted for him.

At least Palin brings fire to the movement.

Pop tech i'm with you, any

Pop tech i'm with you, any true conservative not Palin in 2012.  Its going to be a loooong 4 years with Barry until then.

 

"Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong."
Calvin Coolidge

J.C. Watts

He'll never do it though.

OMG

I can't believe there are so many people that seriously think Palin should be nominated. She will mean AUTOMATIC re-election for Obama, plain and simple.

 I have despised the rabid hatred shown for her by the leftnuts, but it is also clear that she is not presidential material. She makes a FANTASTIC governor for Alaska, and would probably make a great senator as well. If she gets the nomination in 2012, prepare for 4 more years of Obama and a landslide loss for the GOP.

 Jindal would make a far better choice and would bring respect back to the GOP ticket. McCain was a joke, and regardless of how much I detested Obama, it wasn't enough to motivate me to vote for the biggest RINO in the entire senate. The guy who had made a career out of jumping in the sack with liberals anytime it would get him some media attention. Now that he has lost the election, look for his thumbs to be back in Republican eyes again over the next 4 years.

 

Jindal 2012

OMG

To xfast:

". . .regardless of how much I detested Obama, it wasn't enough to motivate me to vote for the biggest RINO in the entire senate."

I do hope it motivated you to do a write-in vote.

He already started in his

He already started in his concession speech: pledging to work with Obama, and being sort of a liaiason between the President and the Senate.

Right back to being the "maverick" he always was.

Not which Republican, which puppet?

Absolutely none of the above . . our one-party system merely puts two puppets on stage every 4 years . .

I encourage everyone to read the following Chuck Baldwin article in full at this link:

 http://co117w.col117.mail.live.com/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=2027173920

What Change?
By Chuck Baldwin
December 5, 2008

After campaigning for change back in 1999 (What political challenger doesn't campaign for change?), President Bush and his fellow neocons promptly set out to continue business as usual in Washington, D.C. Federal spending and meddling exploded under the leadership of the GOP. In fact, one has to go back to the administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt to match the increases in Big Government and Big Brother by Bush and Company.

Add to the out-of-control spending habits of the GOP an unnecessary war, a near-Depression economy, and a burgeoning police state. It is no surprise that the American people were ready for change. And Obama excelled in delivering the message of change. So, what kind of change will Obama actually deliver?

I went with Jindal,

Although, to be honest, I could pick this to death. I like Michael Steele, but I do want him to be RNC chair, and he may be able to do more for the party from there. Four years can be a lifetime, or a blink of an eye. We may have time to get our act together by then, but I think 2016 is more realistic, unless "that one" REALLY screws up.  

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

The premiss of this thread anoys me

How about looking at tommrow or today. What will happen four years from now is irrelvant if we don't start TODAY to fix the future. We may find that the Republican party establishment is happy with being moved to the left. You know their is a conservative party out there that most of us would be happy to back, and influence for viable canidates. Sounds like a good idea to me, there hasn't been a republican with the values of Reagan since him and their wasnt really one for quiet a while before him. Maybe it is time for a third party rise up and bring back the values we hold dear  to goverment

Live Free or Die

Obviously nobody is

Obviously nobody is advocating waiting until 2012, or 2010 or 2016 to start action. My 2016 reference is to how it just may take that long to attract the right candidates for state offices as well as Congressional and Senatorial seats. We must elect good candidates at these lower levels. That's why, although I voted for Steele, I think he can serve the party better as RNC chariman, at least through 2012. Read the article in the link above. He makes a lot of sense.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

The premiss of this thread anoys me

"We may find that the Republican party establishment is happy with being moved to the left."

To: RobB

I couldn't agree more. So many people running around yelling "We have to fix it! We have to fix it!" They dumped on us. Our turn to dump the Republican Party. They're just one side of the one-party system in America.

We have to work on building up a true two-party system. My preference is the Constitution Party.

 

Palin/Rice 2012! Zero

Palin/Rice 2012!

Zero percentage for John McCain? Hmm..... 

 

Start each day with a smile, then get it over with. - W.C. Fields

Oh darn

Its because McCain is not a Republican.

IMHO, Bobby Jindal would

IMHO, Bobby Jindal would make a great candidate going forward. He's intelligent, thoughtful, competetent, is growing more experienced, articulates conservatism very well, and is youthful. The Dems and their media branch would have a very tough time hanging the negative tags on him that they've been hanging on GOP candidates in the past. However, if Obama is still weirdly popular entering into the 2012 race (or have we already entered it?), I would hate to waste Jindal on a futile run.

Chris, I actually agree

Chris, I actually agree with you. I do like Bobby Jindal a lot. But he is awefully young. He's under 40 now.

I know that gets the younger kids, maybe. Of course Palin is only 5-6 years older, but there ya have it. 

Don't know if they would even get along, but I could see 8 years of Palin with Jindal as veep, and then 8 years of Jindal. Both are good conservatives, who know how to lead. 

Also, here's a wild thought, Jeb Bush is talking about running for the Senate. One less RINO, one more conservative. Not sure how bad his big brother George hurt him, but he's someone who if got in the race for POTUS could be the wild card. 

Where's his clothes????

I voted for Newt, he'd win the debate.

Wouldn't it be great to have someone, like Newt, who could talk and stand at the same time. I truly believe he would eviscerate the likes of Obama. There would be in the collective blink of the eyes a naked Barack Obama standing at his podium, unable to keep up with Newt.

There needs to be a candidate who is able to articulate the arguments against out-of-control liberalism and its consequences and what needs to be done to fix things, not the Chicago "fix" though.

Sarah Palin was my sentimental favorite, but she's going to be hammered on for the next 2 years and if possible they will destroy her. Of course the same thing could be done to Gingrich, though I think he has a valid, viable argument on his side and the ability to articulate it. Go Newt!!!

 

"Festivas for the rest of us"

Jim DeMint has been getting

Jim DeMint has been getting my attention of late.

O Lord, Thou givest us everything, at the price of an effort. - Leonardo Da Vinci

Give me Mitt or give me death!

Death would be another RINO or any of the DemonRats.  I want a smart leader who isn't a lifelong congress critter.  Don't give me any crap about his religion.  As long as he isn't flying planes into buildings...I don't care.

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Yeah Jeff

Give you Mitt or death as long as they don't give you a black politician like Michael Steele you can't trust eh? 

How about Bobby Jindal?, he is not black, but a little lighter shade of black

He had my vote

Potius Mori Quam Foedar

Potius Mori Quam Foedar

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Steele isn't too Black he is too Green

I don't play identity politics, I don't vote for someone based on their race or sex, I vote based on their qualifications. Powell was qualified but lost any chance of me supporting him with his support of Obama, Rice is more qualified than Steele too. The problem with Steele is he is a nice guy, good intentioned and right on the issues, however he doesn't have the qualifications to be president and the only reason anyone is talking about him is because he is Black. There is nothing racist about it, that is the honest truth.

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Popular Tech

What do you think of Michael Steele as RNC chair? 4-8 years of that might ripen him up. Or perhaps give him some exposure for a gubenatorial run. Anyway, he is only 50, and has time to learn the ropes. 4 years at least.  

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Steele needs more experience

So far Steele has the education but limited experience (lt. Governor). I don't really care about the RNC chair. IMO the GOP is pushing Steele to appeal to Obama voters just like they pushed Palin for Hillary voters. Neither will work and the GOP should be above identity politics.

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Paradigm shift

Jindal is smart and competent but he is wonk and is as inspiring as an accountant. The game has changed boys and girls. Voters want to be seduced, not informed, hearded, not led. It's now cool to be a victim 'cause you get so much sympathy and attention.  

That said, I really like Gov. Sanborn of SC or Sen. Coburn of OK.

Add Pawlenty

Scratch John McCain, Fred Thompson, and Mitt Romney.  Add Tim Pawlenty.  I also like Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin. 

Scratch Pawlenty, too!  We

Scratch Pawlenty, too!  We don't need another RINO who will bend over to the AGW Shakedown.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

fitzfong.blogspot.com

Unfortunately Rackie is correct

 Voters want to be seduced, not informed, hearded, not led.

 Good solid candidates are not going to be winners unless they can win the emotions of the voting public.  Serious but boring candidates will not attract the new voters long enough to convince them that they have good ideas.

Bubba Jindal

Jindal is also against abortion for any reason, against stem cell research of any kind and a Creationist. That will not sit well with very many up the middle voters. He better stay on the political curb or he'll quickly be roadkill. A man has to know his limits.

.

Alan Keyes w/ Sarah Palin as VP.

This country needs someone in the Oval Office who believes that the Declaration of Independance lays out the basic ideals of this country and that the Constitution means what it says and says ONLY what it means. We need Alan Keyes now and we will need him more by orders of magnitude after 4 years of the Obamanation.

Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!

Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012

I say

THOMPSON/PALIN

Full disclosure, I am

Full disclosure, I am smitten with Governor Palin! And of Course a member of Team Sarah.

I remember we were all talking about her earlier in the year, way before the primaries got kicked into high gear.

 I read a whole lot about her, and since she was introduced, have paid even more attention. She was terribly mishandled by the ex-Bush staffers who came on board to work with her. They had her doing interviews with the liberals first, rather than all of the "friendly media" first. They allowed the media to instantly define her, and hamstrung a lot of own efforts to set things straight.

It's obvious since she has been freed, she knows how to handle herself in an interview. She has a real gift of tweaking people, through a big old smile! 

She put it on Obama twice in interviews with Wolf Blitzer and Larry King after the election. And she was smooth doing it!

Anyhow, I'll stop rambling, but don't misunderestimate this gal, she is tough as nails, both physically, and as a Governor. 

Ya know, she still goes out and works the nets with Todd during the summer fishing season. They've owned a small commercial fishing operation forever.

BTW, Sarah is working on Alaska's budget. Many states are in trouble and looking to stand in line for a bailout. Sarah foresaw a possible crash in oil prices. They have no state sales or income tax up there, so the price of oil is key.

Anyhow, she prepared, and saved. Alaska will end up with somewhere between a 5 and 9 billion dollar surplus.

Something else, by law, Alaskans own the oil, not just the government. Most land up there is government land, and as such most oil exploration is  done on government land. Anyhow, every year Alaskans get what amounts to a profit sharing check. I was reading where it is estimated that a family of 4 would receive around $13,000 as their share this year. That's not bad.

 

www.teamsarah.com

I'll wait and see

when the time comes and hats are in the ring.  Then I will be more certain.

It's about time we stopped

It's about time we stopped the market segmentation and focus group pandering approach to political elections.  We need to go back to proving that our ideas are superior to theirs.  We need a hammer who's unafraid to call out Dem frauds to their faces.  John Bolton or Tom DeLay would fit that bill for me.  I am also a big fan of soon-to-be Congressman Tom McClintock becuase he can actually articulate economic literacy. 

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

fitzfong.blogspot.com

Ron Paul

Hmmmm... third biggest fundraiser in the Republican primaries and even Newsbusters ignores Ron Paul. Sad.

 

Ron Paul 2012

good point.    Ronald

good point. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

I like Ron

I wish they had given him at least two minutes of TV time.

LA

LA,

I think you posted this in the wrong thread. Let me help: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/12/06/anti-snl-comedy-video-open-thread-teaser.  :-)  ns

Great Answer!

I think he'd be an INCREDIBLE choice for president! After all, who WOULDN'T want someone in their 80's crapping their Depends in the Oval Office?

 

Thanks, Rog. LMAO!

Thanks, Rog. LMAO!

O Lord, Thou givest us everything, at the price of an effort. - Leonardo Da Vinci

Alan Keyes

I think we should give Alan Keyes and chance.

Today I'm giving long looks

Today I'm giving long looks in Jindal's direction. Still have much more to learn (and much time to learn it in), but I think a more youthful approach is needed the next go-around to be competitive. Still, I'm not sure if Jindal's age would be still considered too young in '12... plus I'm not sure yet if I'm ready to vote for someone who's younger than me for president.

Still love Fred though...think he'd make a splendid Secretary of State. 

*
Hero's "retro" blog. / "People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will

Do we have to do this now?

I like Mike Pence as well as others on the list.

My vote will go to the most conservative and the one who is most protective of our Constitution. 

But I cannot make a choice right now.

Ken  Blackwell for RNC Chair.

 

Forgive me, as I say

Forgive me, as I say geeeeesh right now I don't care about any election!!!

OK but those that

Think ill of you do?

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

What this poll proves - the demographics of NB

There are more social conservatives and conservative women voting at NB then any other groups by almost 2 to 1. I have noticed it by the comments here as well.

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Palin also qualifies as a fiscal conservative.

Palin also qualifies as a fiscal conservative.

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Palin doesn't understand economics

Please stop with the propaganda about the bridge she campaigned on then flip-flopped on:

Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
- Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans (Reuters)

Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

"Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." - Sarah Palin, 2006

Her idea of economics is populist rhetoric.

Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming — and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)

Transcript of Palin, Biden debate

MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"

PALIN: "I do. I do."

Palin denounces Wall Street "greed" to big money donors (FOX News)

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Sarah Palin

And yet The Club for Growth likes her.

. . . and she has cut spending in her state.

Funny how you haven't really addressed that.

 

UPDATE - Did you notice how *my* links were in a nice, easy to read list, and not slopily all over the place?

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations!

What are you talking about?

Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations (USA Today)

"In nearly two years as governor, she has presided over a 31% spending hike by a state government that sought earmarks from Washington even as it reaped billions from higher oil prices and Palin-backed tax increases on oil companies."

Am I the only one who researches anything around here?

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Need another source

 P- Tech,

Of course USA Today is going to report that spending has increased under her administration.  Now, if you want to do the research, I don't, give us the figures from Alaska using the FOIA and using the real figures, not the USA Today spin.

Figures lie and liars figure.

Hey PopTech ~ Sarah Palin *IS* a Fiscal Conservative

I still haven't heard what you think about how The Club For Growth likes Sarah Palin! . . .

UPDATE

I thought your links need to be exposed for the B.S. that they are:\

1) Alaska 1st, Ariz. last in pork spending (USA Today)

FROM THE ARTICLE: There's another reason Arizona gets so much less money than Alaska — political power.

Alaska is home to Sen. Ted Stevens, a senior Republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee, which largely controls how money is doled out in Washington.

Your Article admits that all the earmarks going to Alaska are due to Senator Stevens, not Governor Palin

2) Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations (USA Today)

FROM THE ARTICLE: Bill McAllister, a governor's office spokesman in Alaska, said the state lived through painful budget cuts in the 1990s when low oil prices restricted revenue. "There's an element of catch-up here," he said.

Your article admits the sepnding was to make up for projects things that were put off.

You also fail to mention how much REVENUE increased in the same period.  If it was up 32% then a spending increase of 31% should be no problem.

3) Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming — and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)

FROM THE ARTICLE: But both candidates seemed in line with creating carbon caps...

Seemed?  SEEMED??!  That is a weasel word.

Now Palin did answer "I do, I do." when asked by Ifill if she supports capping Carbon emissions,  but what she didn't say was she supported Cap & Trade, Kyota, or and of the other B.S. that has been promoted as the solution to global warming.

 

Seriously, is this the best you can do?  These weak articles?

Am I the only one who researches anything around here? 

Apparently, you don't even research your own links.

 

Hi Free... I'm guessing

Hi Free...

I'm guessing you are wasting your time with PT. Evidently he has something against strong woman, and no matter what you say he will continue to hate Sarah.

BTW... Did you see where it was a Republican that recently started a petition asking Sarah to shut up?

New North American Currency?

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

BTW... Did you see where it

BTW... Did you see where it was a Republican that recently started a petition asking Sarah to shut up?

Didn't see it.  RINO signatures don't count anyway.

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Free... Check this out...

Free...

Check this out... The Left Still Hating Gov. Sarah Palin. The story instantly sounds like a typical liberal stunt, but if you read the UPDATE you will see it's actually a McCain campaign worker, and works in D.C. on the House Foreign Affairs Committee’s Republican Staff.

New North American Currency?

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

What is with the lies?

Is it possible to argue your point without lying about me? Why choose to be dishonest? I don't hate her nor do I have anything against strong women. I do have a problem with messiahs created either on the left or the right.

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The most pathetic defense of Palin Yet

1. It is hard to call yourself a reformer when your state leads in Pork barrel spending and your governor campaigned on building the bridge to nowhere.

Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans (Reuters)
Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
ADN: "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?"
PALIN: "Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." - (Anchorage Daily News, 2006)

Palin Was a Director of Embattled Sen. Stevens's 527 Group (The Washington Post)
Sen. Stevens Indicted On 7 Corruption Counts (The Washington Post)

2. Oh so now you are socialist and support increased government spending? Either that or an economically illiterate populist.

No kidding the revenue went up when she raised taxes on oil companies!

Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News)

3. Spin, Spin, Spin. If you don't understand what capping carbon is I cannot help you.

I am hoping more rational people can listen to her own words.

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Sarah Palin

Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News)

You fail to note this was after the previous Governor had conspired with the Oil companies to lower their taxes, without the voters knowing what was going on.

Governor Palin on the other hand, went around the Stat explaining her new plan and giving people a chance to comment on it.


"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Explain how raising taxes is fiscally conservative

I love the excuses though.

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I picked other because it

I picked other because it is far too early yet to decided any of this to me...

Bolton/Allen '12    .....for the heck of it!

We'd never get that lucky...not PC enough.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I love your pick. Talk about

I love your pick. Talk about telling the world to bite us.

I wanted Allen early on before he lost. And Bolton, the UN would be crapping in their pants. 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Other:  D. Hunter

Other:  D. Hunter

Consider the Issue of the Times

If I missed the financial credentials of the others, I might reconsider, but given the problems of the day, Mitt Romney is the only choice up there. While I understand the issues between McCain and Romney, by November 4th, I'll bet McCain was wishing he had chosen Romney as running mate. Talk about spiking the "it's the economy, stupid," crowd.

V/R
Clyde 

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

Must Be Me

Must be me but Fred is an old hound dog who shows no energy, no charisma, and no new ideas.  Gosh, why do people think he could win?  Odumba could talk circles around him, not that they would be correct circles, but he doesn't have "it".  Remember the dumb and dumber audiences we have in the political arenas.  Sticking to principles is one thing, being set in your ways with no flexibility is another.  Who did the dumbos vote for?  Obama who had energy, charisma, and new (really really old FDR ideas) ideas whom most voters don't even remember and they don't teach history anymore so he gets away with it.  Fred is tired like I am of having no new blood in the party and so many rigid idealists.

Good news for GOP...

Good news for GOP...and all those who prefer representation by someone other than an alleged felon.

Jer

Jer...That's the best news

Jer...That's the best news I've heard all day.

One less liberal vote. 

Gary...As a Democrat, I

Gary...As a Democrat, I prefer the loss of the vote over the continued presence of the embarrassing Mr. Jefferson.

Jer

 Mark Sanford.  Seton

 Mark Sanford.

 Seton Motley
Director of Communications
Media Research Center

I know this isn't gonna win too many people over...

I also know that this is mainly for entertainment purposes, but if I had to choose right now I'd go for Jindal for president with Huckabee as a running mate.

 It just seems to me that Palin has been (and will continue to be) assaulted by most people. I mean, we are even arguing about her on a relatively conservative site. There is no way the media will ever give her a fair chance again.

 Romney, I hate to say, actually "looks" like the "evil" republican politician from movies and cartoons. I mean the guy simply looks the part. No matter his politics or qualifications, people will judge him simply on that.

Thompson, heck I like Thompson, he acutally "looks" like the president in a movie and all, but he seemed about as eager to run as a guy with no legs.

I know it seems shallow to judge these people like that, but we just learned in this election that experience means nothing. It's all about how you appear. Style beat substance by a small margin, but a margin nonetheless. Of course, running as a republican this year was probably a doomed venture anyways.

Staunch conservatives have every right to be angry and all, in my opinion, they had the right ideas, just the wrong people selling them.

Jindal seems to have a good head on his shoulders, he is a republican governor and doing a pretty good job in a state that should have been enraged against republicans after Katrina with all the media coverage linking it to Bush.

Huckabee seems like he has a good heart in his chest. I understand completely that conservatives don't much like him, but the guy is a decent salesman of style to those that aren't conservative to begin with, and for whatever reason I can't fathom, I just seem to like the guy. He would do a better job for Jindal than Biden did for Obama at least.

Of course, like I said, this is all opinion and I may be wrong, but if I had to say right now, those two gentlemen would be my answer.

Mike

Palin

Palin is under attack from the left media, so we don't consider her? So we allow the media and the Dems pick for us by slamming the ones they don't want? We pick someone the media LIKES, someone Obama-like?

Palin has the grass roots support of the people and will be elected purely on the strength of who she is and how she gets her message across herself. The media won't be able to stop her. Recent polls show 90% of Republicans approve of Palin and 65% would like her as president. This poll is in line with the others.

Anyone who runs against Obama in 2012 has to not only have a conservative message but has to inspire the people. Can't think of anyone who can do that better than Palin.

Amen! Eco-Hippies Cry Over

lawhite, sorry it took so long.

I will say that conservatives should not allow the media to pick a candidate for them, although to underestimate the power of them to influence noncommited people is a mistake.

Governor Palin may indeed raise the morale of the base of the republican party, as well as those independents who lean conservative. To win elections you also need a number of moderates. The democrats learned this in 2004. Kerry did mobilize the liberal base to some extent, but that is all he mobilized. Most moderates I know were not impressed by being told who to vote against, they wanted someone to vote for. Kerry needed to convince some normal people, and he failed.

What I mean, is that if you really believe that Gov. Palin can mobilize the base as well as get enough moderates to put her over what will be an incumbant president, then I'll concede the argument. I'll take your word for it.

I like Governor Jindal, he was elected in a tough place for a republican to run at the time. I also think a person that can sell conservatism is a good idea as a running mate.

Perhaps having Gov. Palin on the ticket as the 2nd,(who seemed the conservative) and Senator McCain as the head (who seemed more like the likable salesman) was a bad idea. Especially in a bad year for republicans and an election that was loved by the media as "historic."

I'm sorry for the length of this, but I'm trying to say that if you can mobilize the base, that is a great thing, but you need more than that to win an election. It sounds shallow, and it is, but it is necessary (49 percent is not 51). Conservatives can be right and still lose, we just watched that happen not long ago.

Mike

Hi M130.... I'm getting

Hi M130....

I'm getting ready to close out soon...but I just read this...so I wanted to add my two cents...(can't help myself here)...

The fools who ran both parties could have had a majority if they had run on two issues last election, including of course the primaries...

Illegal Immigration...and Drill Baby Drill.

Period.

If anyone paid attention to the polls of the American people as a whole on both sides of the aisle...we were all together o this...time after time, month after month.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT, long time since we last talked.

I don't mind your two cents in the least. Heck, sometimes you ask for two cents and people throw nickles in your face...

No, I'm not referring to the people that posted either, just kind of a saying I've grown fond of.

You are right, both illegal immigration and drilling were popular issues with the people, funny how it kinda got swept under the rug on election time. For the first time in a long time, people made their voices known to their representatives.

Then again, both candidates running were for illegal immigration to some extent, and had a problem with utilizing out own resources. Guess paying off those American loving Sheiks is better...

Thanks for your comment though, I know it's late in your neck of the woods.

Mike

M130.... Exactly! That

M130....

Exactly!

That was my point...which evidently I didn't express quite right..(nothing unusual on my end).

Both POS picks by the  msm were on the same page...and all the so-called debates basically avoided as topics to inquire about...

I am still furious!

It was so simple to win...by a landslide...if one wanted to badly enough...and one wasn't a..."I'll Reach Across the Aisle and work with you" RINO...

Oh well...time marches on.

Btw...my heart goes out to you with your parents...they are lucky to have you, and vice versa I would assume...I was glad to be up with you, I didn't see your post until much later...so I'm telling you now.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT, it's alright, I get lost in all the pages myself.

That's the real problem with it all. All my life I've heard from everyone that conservatives are some sort of gargoyle that loves feasting on human flesh.

Well, okay, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea.

The problem was that I was kicked out of High School and had to get a GED and then community college just to get accepted to a state university. By the time I saved enough money from bartending, I was 26. So the boogey-man stories about conservatives didn't really frighten me. It was odd though that in all the journalism classes and government classes, I was always the poor guy facing the "firing squad" to defend everything. Well, to be honest, it was kinda fun.

As for my parents, well, they did give me 18 years of food and a roof, I SUPPOSE I can look after them for a bit. Only seems fair, provided they don't complain too much...

Heh heh heh...

Mike

Hey M130... You are young

Hey M130...

You are young yet...those feet of yours are going to take you on a long and winding path...

For the good...naturally.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT, hopefully that path ain't too long...

Well, thank you for the vote of confidence. "For the good... hopefully" may be more accurate.

Heh heh heh.

By the way, shouldn't you be going to bed soon. Here in Detroit it's 04:21...

All kidding aside, thank you for what you said. Funny though, at 30, feeling old starts to happen. Guess God has a sense of humor. Then again, I suppose we knew that when we saw the platypus...

Mike

3O starting to feel

3O starting to feel old...you have to be kidding me...I was there once...believe me, my life by then had been through a lot..but I sure as heck never felt old, or started to feel old at 30.....heck...not by a long shot...(btw...my son is 5 yrs. older than you are)

 Anyway...I am up at this time for an important reason...the weather here... I am getting ready to close out...my relief has awakened...about time!

Mike, let your fingers do the walking and talking, and never give up...you really are good.

Catch ya' later.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT, Oh lovely, now I feel lazy!

Oh how nice, a guy five years older than me has more energy, just what I neede to hear... Thanks for that!

Now I feel lazy... Heh heh heh...

I keep forgetting that you guys get two feet of snow for every two inches we get here sometimes. Hope you got a decent snowblower.

Mike

Pat Toomey

Head of the Club for Growth. He has the internet infrastructure needed to expand on.

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Rudy Giuliani in 2012

I think Rudy Giuliani is the best choice for the 2012 nomination. We'll need a real problem solver when we run against Obama in 2012. Anyone who doubts Rudy's abilities should check out Prince of the City. He took seemingly unrecoverable problems and fixed them through sheer will power and clear thinking. He's the chance we have to show that Republicans are the problem solving warriors of gov't that can fix all that Obama is sure to do to us.

I like Palin and Jindal and I think they're the future, but Rudy's record and history of accomplishment is too much for them to compete with.

But Chris --  you have to

But Chris --  you have to take note of his campaign for the nomination. This tells us one of two things:

1. He didn't really want the nomination, or how else can you explain his inept strategy.

2. Assuming #1 is incorrect, his nom campaign throws up serious doubts about his ability to win a Presidential campaign in 2012  

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Rudy wanted the nomination in 2008

Rudy definitely wanted the nomination. Can't blame him for following the advice of his campaign managers. Their theory was that Florida was the big set of points he needed to even up the nomination. He just didn't realize that by fixating on Florida he took himself out of the story of the campaign. Guaranteed that if we had gotten rid of the rediculous primary schedule and had one primary day that Rudy would have won and the disaster of McCain would have been avoided.

If he runs again, I'm sure that he would stay away from that strategy.

Fair enough.

Fair enough.

Don't really agree, and I don't think he'll run again.

But I think we can both agree that for all Rudy's issue "faults" (from a conservative perspective)... he'd still have been a far better, more coherent, more personable candidate than McCain.

I don't think McCain's puzzling rush to Washington to do nothing Bail Out debacle would have occured. But we'll never know! 

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same...
Yours is the earth and all that's in it...

Chris... Rudy is a no-go

Chris...

Rudy is a no-go for 2012 or any year thereafter.

Eco-Hippies Cry Over Dead Tree

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Rudy Giuliani? Talk about

Rudy Giuliani? Talk about another John McCain...no more RINO's!

Jeb Bush / Sarah Palin

Jeb Bush  / Sarah Palin

I am 5 feet 11 inches tall

And before my marriage I enjoyed things like white water rafting, rock climbing, horseback riding and quality time at the gun range. Also maintained straight A's and went to church regularly. I cook, bake, sew, crochet, and knit. I can change diapers, wipe runny noses, heal boo-boos with a kiss, and shoot you in the eye at 20 yards.
I have given birth to three children (2 of them at home, with only my husband there) without so much as an aspirin.
Pound for pound, I am not as strong as a man. But I revel in my uniquely feminine strengths, gifts and abilities and I feel no need to compete with my husband. If he wants to be the one to go out, kill something and drag it home then I will cook it for him. With a smile. In a sexy dress.
As Robert Heinlein said, "Specialization is for insects".

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Oops. that was supposed to post somewhere else. sorry

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Presidential nominations

Right now, who gives a shit?

For the next 31/2 years, I'm going to be skipping over discussions about Presidential nominees.

 

Pence/Palin or Palin/Pence

Talk about taking on the status quo!

Pence should be in these discussions. I don't know if he'd do it, but he'd be my choice in a heartbeat.

Jindal

No one communicates the conservative message more clearly and eloquently than Bobby Jindal. His nomination immediately destroys the media's ability to call the Republican nominee "dumb". If Obama looks beatable, than he's my choice. If Obama has a good first term, the party should wait intil 2016.

I did pick Sarah Palin,

I did pick Sarah Palin, though I did hesitate slightly:

1.  She's an ongoing target of attacks and ridicule by the media, and the rabid far left.  She may never recover from that.

2.  I want to know about her and her husband's level of involvement with the AIP.

3.  I would prefer to see her with some time in Congress, but at least get re-elected again.  Either way, I don't see how anybody could then seriously belittle her credentials/experience (but I'm sure they'd find a way...) four years from now.

4.  She needs to establish her own 'voice' and make it clear what she stands for.  She should shamelessly promote herself as Obama did, hammer him relentlessly at every opportunity, and bill herself as a progressive/conservative female.  Do the folksy, huntin', fishin' thing (because that's partly who she is)...but also show that she's not an idiot and can lead the country.  How?  Hire Axelrod or a reasonable facsimile thereof.  And raise money, lots and lots of money. 

The whole RNC better get off their butts and start organizing big time and selling themselves, instead of throwing something together 3 and a half years from now.  I think they're working towards this. 

Romney-I like him, but I'm more than sick of this 'he looks so presidential' fawning we're getting with Mr. Obama.  I think he'd be a great VP or Sec. of State.

Steele-What a great guy.  I'm glad he's been on Fox News so much.  He seems very level-headed.  

Jindal-I have been impressed by Governor Jindal since I first saw him speak.  Another awesom prospect.

Thompson-I like the guy.  His speech at the RNC was great.  By the time he finally decided to run I was pretty much over seriously voting for him.

Crist-Uh uh.  Giuliani-I can see him as VP or better yet, attorney general, or possibly Homeland Security.  Huckabee-I voted for him in the primaries, but his attack on Romney in his book seemed really petty and turned me off.  

McCain-I'm not going to throw him under the bus.  I would only hope that he will keep his promise to fight for us as a loyal opposition leader, but I don't think he's going to.  I still maintain he was our best chance, and his picking Sarah Palin was important to the Republican Party and the Conservative movement. 

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

who has bagage??

trying to fore see that far ahead,Mr. Rommey& Mrs. Palin,(:> ???

If the GOP had an ounce of

If the GOP had an ounce of sense, it'd get down on its knees and beg Bobby Jindal to run.

My Dream Ticket...

Palin/Thompson 2012.

(Not Fred, but Jeri.  Fred will be appointed to the Supreme Court by Palin.)

I'd pay good money to watch liberals' heads explode trying to figure out how to make "No Experience" stick this time with:

 

  •  Palin having 4 more years as Governor under her belt.
  • Thompson, a media consultant for the Washington, D.C. law firm of Verner Liipfert, who also worked for the Republican Senate Conference, and has done both out front and behind-the-scenes work for the Republican National Committee. (She also kicked Alan Colmes' hindquarters from one end of the studio to another and does not get cowed easily by libs or the press.)

 

With that said, I'd take a ticket with two of Jindal, Palin, or Steele, in any order. That'd also be awesome.

CORKER

Carbon Credits Smoke'em if you got'em!

CT... Wow. That's

CT...

Wow.

That's different.

To each their own, as you well know me by now...plus I posted my pick somewhere above days ago now...

Bolton/Allen.

Neither one of us has a chance. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Very poor vote count for McCain

but to be expected to some extent.   It is way too early but I would like to see Palin and Jindahl in the 2012 race.  I don't see the others having much appeal going forward for many reasons like age, current appeal, relevance, lack of supporters but you never know.   Palin has been a major wakeup call and a realization to Repubs that getting back to basics and providing some excitement is required to get todays voter to see and then possibly listen to your candidate.

The Repub party needs a thorough house cleaning of RINO types and a strong message of conservative values that are clearly explained and demonstrated to the masses.  This will be the hardest thing to do going forward.

Looking back at the percentage of votes it is amazing how well McCain did with Palin.  If Palin wasn't there I think it would have been much, much worse of a defeat.  Repubs have a big chore of recapturing the Electoral College votes which were heavily breached by Dems.    

No Representation in NorCal

Charlie Crist....oh please

Charlie Crist....oh please spare me! 

I live in Florida and I am a State employee...we haven't had a raise since he became Governor. He has been busy planning his elaborate wedding that took place over the weekend. I will never vote for him again. He is a waste...he has jumped on the Global Warming bandwagon and it is costing the taxpayers of Florida millions. I hope someone will run against him in the next primary that is a strong Conservative.

My thoughts

  1. The 39 people who voted for McCain should be banned.
  2. Palin/Jindal '12 is the best ticket and the winning ticket. Please no Romney he flirts with socialism and we need real conservatives back in the White House, as if it was the 80s again.

It doesn't matter

It doesn't matter WHO runs in 2012 if they are not willing to play with the brass tacks that the Dhimmicrats use. You're either in a fight (or election) full bore to win it or you'll lose every time. Witness McCain's halfhearted, spineless attempt this year, afraid of the race card at every turn.

I don't know about any other conservative but McCain would have never been my choice.The MSM picked both of them, if the media picks both candidates then they can pick who they want to win.

I fear that this could be the swan song of America, caused by underhanded liars in both politics and the media.

For those who votes

For those who votes Huckabee, Giuliani, or Crist, are you serious? These men are Democrats on half of the issues, (Crist maybe 2/3). Haven't you seen 8 years of what "compasionate conservatism" and compromise has brought? Its time for a real conservative not one who plays one in our party once a year. You guys are the reason why we have McCain and ultimately Obama. Guiliani is a great guy and the best mayor new york has ever had but he's not the complete package for president. Have you seen the judges he's appointed? Crist would be a McCain with a better tan. Huckabee is compassionate conservative compromise with your enemies part III. We've compromised our values since 1989. Enough of these men who want to lead us by selling our values out to the democrats so they can feel good about themselves and get invited to the right show interviews and parties.

→ No kidding Ryan

May as well throw Romney in as well.

Romney's bait and switch on fees instead of taxes was still nothing more than taxes.

And Romney's Socialist Healthcare has the State economy reeling, not to mention the $50 buck abortions he instituted.

Now it's a great list.

Thanks.

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