Was I just imagining things, or did I see Helen Thomas with a huge grin standing right behind Hillary after she gave her "3rd place" speech? It seems odd that such a distinguished, unbiased journalist would place herself in such proximity with a leading political candidate.
Hmmm, you may have something there. For Dems this particular primary is hit and miss so plausibly Her Majesty can get away with that line while Obama can crow. Edwards is the odd man out.
But for Repubs the Iowa primary is usually a boo-bee prize for the guy who will not get the nomination. Note the history half way down the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus
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After all the "inevitability of Hillary" winning hype, it is obviously a big story when she takes third place in Iowa. You can stick a fork in her, she's done. And that is a shame. I was hoping she would get the nomination. Hillary for Prez would have really galvanized the Republican vote. Obama or Edwards will be much harder for the Republicans to beat, I think.
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I can't wait until that RINO is gone. How can that guy go around making negative RELIGIOUS (as in all he is running on) ads about Romney, when Romney has never integrated religion into any of his policies. I am getting REALLY TIRED of hearing about GOD during these elections. Just the fact that Huck was 'shooting people who didn't vote for him' was enough to turn me completely off to him. Not to mention all of the Clintonesque behavior he has demonstrated. If you say you aren't running and AD, you don't show it to anyone. The press likes Huck for a reason folks. If THEY like a candidate, one must seriously consider the reasons why.
Now that we have two very different Christian religions competing for the white house, I see a lot of people on the right saying religion doesn't matter when assessing a president, religion shouldn't matter when selecting a candidate, etc. etc. etc.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't W's religion a major factor in his getting elected? There were tons and tons of news stories, ads, etc. about how religious/faithful W was. In contrast, liberals/democrats were painted as untrustworthy due to their worship at the house of godlessness.
So my question is simple. Why doesn't religion matter when conducting a comparative analysis between two REPUBLICAN candidates, but it does matter when conducting a comparative analysis between a REPUBLICAN and a DEMOCRAT?
I really don't get it. Religion was a major part of the last 4 elections, now you're all telling us it doesn't matter for the simple fact that it's no longer convenient.
Who is making religion such a big issue? The MSM can have a field day with these two and their religious beliefs. The MSM can focus their energy on religion and tear the candidates apart instead of focusing on relevant issues like the economy, Iraq, and terrorism. If they focused on the relevant issues then it would show that the Dem's are clueless and have no practical solutions for the issues facing our country.
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I see where you're going with that, but I think you're missing the mark just a little.
There is a difference between a faith-based platform (like Bush) where you say your love for Christ drives you but you don't give any specifics vs Huckabee making a point of being Baptist and saying he's a better Christian than everyone else.
We prefer to have leaders who believe in God. But we don't like leaders who use it to condemn the competition.
Bush's religion was brought up more by the MSM than by the Republicans.
The only question one should have with regards to religion is that if they live the tenets of the religion. Other than that, it should have absolutly no bearing on who is President.
If the candidate has no religion that is fine also but then you have to find some other standard to judge their character by.
Adhering to the tenets of a religion show the character of the man running for office. Using religion as a tool to get elected shows no character.
Romney has left his religion out of the forefront of his campaign but is an avowed Latter-day Saint. Huckabee has been flaunting his religion. He reminds me of another former Governor from Arkansas, both in how he flaunts his religion and in his politics.
There should be a spot for "neither" in the voting. Traditionally, an Iowa victory is the kiss of death. If that's the case, hallelujah, maybe Huckabee will finally go away.
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I am an undecided republican and was a bit surprised by the margin of Mike Huckabee's victory. I was even more surprised, or should I say pleasantly surprised, by Barak Obama's margin over Hillary Rhodam Clinton. John Edwards placing ahead of HRC was just an added bonus.
What was even more surprising was that even though I am a conservative republican I was moved and motivated by both Obama's and Edwards' speeches last night. Both were positive messages about America and the direction "we" want "our" country to go.
Hillary's speech sounded more like a concession speech and I felt like she was a bit angry with Iowans for being duped into not voting for her. Her speech was more about her campaign and where "she" wants to take our contry. She will need to step up her game and make her campaign more focused on issues and her vision for a better America for all of us versus focusing on her opponents and "the current administration".
I agree with others who have stated that we (conservatives) need for Hillary to get the Democrat party nomination because an Obama or Edwards just might win the presidency.
On the other hand I may be one of those Republicans she was referring to who "hasn't seen the light".
There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Did you and I hear the same speech from Edwards? I was pretty depressed by the talk of the dead liver transplant girl, the cleft pallet guy and the unemployed Maytag guy. Really got me "up" for a "victory" speech.
I went to school in NC and the first time I heard the accent, I laughed at the poor girl. I though the accent was only on television. Yes, I apologized.
It will be interesting to see just how hard Hillary goes after Obama. I am guessing that her ambition combined with the tone deaf toadies that surround her will result in a truly vicious campaign against Obama that will backfire big time. Hillary, of course, will deny any knowledge of what her underlings will be doing to drag Obama through the mud.
Also, Lani Davis was on Fox News this morning and he was just embarassing as he tried to spin Hillary’s 3d place finish, “She’s been fighting for the last 30 years for education, for this, for that BLAH BLAH BLAH. We just need to tell the people about everything she’s done…”.
The spokesman for Huckabee was standing next to him and she had to bite her tongue to keep from laughing out loud as she was forced to listen as she waited her turn.
I'm still smiling about the look on Dancing Albright's face last night.....she was so pissed at Hillary loosing to those dimwit hicks of Iowa she was spitting fire.......and there stood Bill grinning like a baboon on the other side, thinking, "Whew the old ball and hillary looses a few more and my legacy is safe from all those videos out there floating around on us having sodom sex".
Clinton, she was annoited, when she announced, and now is in the realm of reality. I don't think Hillary's going to have a Sally Field moment, where she says, "THEY LIKE ME."
Clinton won the battle on impeachment but he certainly lost the war.
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}}---> Clinton's 3rd Place
January 4, 2008 - 05:48 ET by Cool ArrowPerhaps Noel could provide us with some descriptive adjective to describe Hillary's 3rd place finish in Iowa.
Let's see? What was that word?
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Helen Thomas?
January 4, 2008 - 06:23 ET by Full MonteWas I just imagining things, or did I see Helen Thomas with a huge grin standing right behind Hillary after she gave her "3rd place" speech? It seems odd that such a distinguished, unbiased journalist would place herself in such proximity with a leading political candidate.
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January 4, 2008 - 06:33 ET by Cool ArrowYou may have been imagining things. I believe that was Helen's more babely sister Madelaine Allbright.
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My bad
January 4, 2008 - 06:40 ET by Full MonteAlbright, Thomas - same thing.
"babely"????? LOL
January 4, 2008 - 07:34 ET by motherbelt"babely"????? LOL
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January 4, 2008 - 07:33 ET by directorblueThe Today Show interview that revealed the 'real' Hillary Clinton probably did her in. Screen-caps and transcript here.
I missed this interview.
January 4, 2008 - 09:03 ET by Ruths husband BenI missed this interview. I guess I need to start watching more TV.
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I didn't know Hillary was the princess of darkness.
January 4, 2008 - 09:34 ET by Free StinkerI always thought Hillary was the Anti-Christ. I didn't know she was the princess of darkness.
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OK, cue the Greek
January 4, 2008 - 07:38 ET by motherbeltOK, cue the Greek chorus:
"the Iowa caucuses don't matter; the Iowa caucuses don't matter......"
And HRC herself: Well you know, Tim, I never expected to win in Iowa; I'm actually where I want to be right now, third place is fine.
If hillary wins the
January 4, 2008 - 08:35 ET by MidAmericaIf hillary wins the presidency now she will probably declare, by executive order, Iowa a national toxic waste dump.
Hmmm, you may have
January 4, 2008 - 12:51 ET by dscottHmmm, you may have something there. For Dems this particular primary is hit and miss so plausibly Her Majesty can get away with that line while Obama can crow. Edwards is the odd man out.
But for Repubs the Iowa primary is usually a boo-bee prize for the guy who will not get the nomination. Note the history half way down the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus
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After all the "inevitability
January 4, 2008 - 08:55 ET by Ruths husband BenAfter all the "inevitability of Hillary" winning hype, it is obviously a big story when she takes third place in Iowa. You can stick a fork in her, she's done. And that is a shame. I was hoping she would get the nomination. Hillary for Prez would have really galvanized the Republican vote. Obama or Edwards will be much harder for the Republicans to beat, I think.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin
The Huckster will be done soon
January 4, 2008 - 11:03 ET by Six String SpiffI can't wait until that RINO is gone. How can that guy go around making negative RELIGIOUS (as in all he is running on) ads about Romney, when Romney has never integrated religion into any of his policies. I am getting REALLY TIRED of hearing about GOD during these elections. Just the fact that Huck was 'shooting people who didn't vote for him' was enough to turn me completely off to him. Not to mention all of the Clintonesque behavior he has demonstrated. If you say you aren't running and AD, you don't show it to anyone. The press likes Huck for a reason folks. If THEY like a candidate, one must seriously consider the reasons why.
Spiff, Serious
January 4, 2008 - 11:13 ET by LeonSpiff,
Serious question.
Now that we have two very different Christian religions competing for the white house, I see a lot of people on the right saying religion doesn't matter when assessing a president, religion shouldn't matter when selecting a candidate, etc. etc. etc.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't W's religion a major factor in his getting elected? There were tons and tons of news stories, ads, etc. about how religious/faithful W was. In contrast, liberals/democrats were painted as untrustworthy due to their worship at the house of godlessness.
So my question is simple. Why doesn't religion matter when conducting a comparative analysis between two REPUBLICAN candidates, but it does matter when conducting a comparative analysis between a REPUBLICAN and a DEMOCRAT?
I really don't get it. Religion was a major part of the last 4 elections, now you're all telling us it doesn't matter for the simple fact that it's no longer convenient.
My response to your question...
January 4, 2008 - 11:42 ET by OneZeroSpiff,
Who is making religion such a big issue? The MSM can have a field day with these two and their religious beliefs. The MSM can focus their energy on religion and tear the candidates apart instead of focusing on relevant issues like the economy, Iraq, and terrorism. If they focused on the relevant issues then it would show that the Dem's are clueless and have no practical solutions for the issues facing our country.
There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
10 types of people
January 4, 2008 - 22:10 ET by Keith Phillips"There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't." OneZero.
Now THAT'S clever
You must be 1 who
January 6, 2008 - 00:31 ET by OneZeroYou must be 1 who understands!
well Leon
January 4, 2008 - 12:20 ET by candanceI see where you're going with that, but I think you're missing the mark just a little.
There is a difference between a faith-based platform (like Bush) where you say your love for Christ drives you but you don't give any specifics vs Huckabee making a point of being Baptist and saying he's a better Christian than everyone else.
We prefer to have leaders who believe in God. But we don't like leaders who use it to condemn the competition.
Religion should be a minor, at best, issue
January 4, 2008 - 15:19 ET by ReaganJrBush's religion was brought up more by the MSM than by the Republicans.
The only question one should have with regards to religion is that if they live the tenets of the religion. Other than that, it should have absolutly no bearing on who is President.
If the candidate has no religion that is fine also but then you have to find some other standard to judge their character by.
Adhering to the tenets of a religion show the character of the man running for office. Using religion as a tool to get elected shows no character.
Romney has left his religion out of the forefront of his campaign but is an avowed Latter-day Saint. Huckabee has been flaunting his religion. He reminds me of another former Governor from Arkansas, both in how he flaunts his religion and in his politics.
Specify please.
January 4, 2008 - 11:03 ET by DyneBigger for the MSM or bigger for those of us who want to see Hillary shot down for good?
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -Matthew 7:20
There should be a spot for
January 4, 2008 - 11:06 ET by Chicago RepublicanThere should be a spot for "neither" in the voting. Traditionally, an Iowa victory is the kiss of death. If that's the case, hallelujah, maybe Huckabee will finally go away.
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Reaction to Dem speeches
January 4, 2008 - 11:33 ET by OneZeroI am an undecided republican and was a bit surprised by the margin of Mike Huckabee's victory. I was even more surprised, or should I say pleasantly surprised, by Barak Obama's margin over Hillary Rhodam Clinton. John Edwards placing ahead of HRC was just an added bonus.
What was even more surprising was that even though I am a conservative republican I was moved and motivated by both Obama's and Edwards' speeches last night. Both were positive messages about America and the direction "we" want "our" country to go.
Hillary's speech sounded more like a concession speech and I felt like she was a bit angry with Iowans for being duped into not voting for her. Her speech was more about her campaign and where "she" wants to take our contry. She will need to step up her game and make her campaign more focused on issues and her vision for a better America for all of us versus focusing on her opponents and "the current administration".
I agree with others who have stated that we (conservatives) need for Hillary to get the Democrat party nomination because an Obama or Edwards just might win the presidency.
On the other hand I may be one of those Republicans she was referring to who "hasn't seen the light".
There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Edwards speech?
January 4, 2008 - 11:50 ET by HermanoDid you and I hear the same speech from Edwards? I was pretty depressed by the talk of the dead liver transplant girl, the cleft pallet guy and the unemployed Maytag guy. Really got me "up" for a "victory" speech.
Hermano, Didn't hear last
January 4, 2008 - 12:43 ET by Chris NormanHermano,
Didn't hear last night's speech from Edwards, but his speeches usually "move" me only to the other room.
It's the accent, right?
January 4, 2008 - 12:49 ET by HermanoI went to school in NC and the first time I heard the accent, I laughed at the poor girl. I though the accent was only on television. Yes, I apologized.
Hillary and Obama
January 4, 2008 - 12:24 ET by Prester JohnIt will be interesting to see just how hard Hillary goes after Obama. I am guessing that her ambition combined with the tone deaf toadies that surround her will result in a truly vicious campaign against Obama that will backfire big time. Hillary, of course, will deny any knowledge of what her underlings will be doing to drag Obama through the mud.
Also, Lani Davis was on Fox News this morning and he was just embarassing as he tried to spin Hillary’s 3d place finish, “She’s been fighting for the last 30 years for education, for this, for that BLAH BLAH BLAH. We just need to tell the people about everything she’s done…”.
The spokesman for Huckabee was standing next to him and she had to bite her tongue to keep from laughing out loud as she was forced to listen as she waited her turn.
Too Funny
January 4, 2008 - 13:39 ET by Del DolemonteYou think Davis was bad, watching CNN last night desperately try to avoid reporting Hillary's 3rd place finish was sweet!
And the Liberal Press goes John Ja John, John John Ja John John
January 4, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Daniel BakerMSM was trying to make Mcain the big story so they could influence the next election
hillary's bloomers are always the big story
January 4, 2008 - 19:05 ET by Lame CherryI'm still smiling about the look on Dancing Albright's face last night.....she was so pissed at Hillary loosing to those dimwit hicks of Iowa she was spitting fire.......and there stood Bill grinning like a baboon on the other side, thinking, "Whew the old ball and hillary looses a few more and my legacy is safe from all those videos out there floating around on us having sodom sex".
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Clinton
January 4, 2008 - 21:15 ET by pbthinkerClinton, she was annoited, when she announced, and now is in the realm of reality. I don't think Hillary's going to have a Sally Field moment, where she says, "THEY LIKE ME."
Clinton won the battle on impeachment but he certainly lost the war.
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