What's Most Responsible For Republican Party's Collapse?


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As Dennis Quaid said in

As Dennis Quaid said in "The Rookie"...It's never just one thing.

But I think numbers 1,2,3, and 7 could be called the Four Horsemen of the (Republican) Apocalypse.

I agree it's never one thing but the media is by far the biggest

reason

Hasstert and Frist leadership are also a big part of it because they are most responsible for the spending and other things that put Bush between a rock and a hard place.

I chose the lack of leadership option

but I would have preferred "most of the above".

Also, there should have been an option for President Bush's abysmal communication skills and lack of fighting the liberal fire with fire.  His silence on so many issues has been equated to agreement.

I hate to say it, but "Republican Leadership" has truly become an oxymoron. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

An apple with a rotten core

Blonde,

I agree that the lack of leadership is the primary reason why the Republican party has ceased to exist, starting with the President.

Bush’s legacy will be the fact that he has been on vacation for the past eight years giving short-shrift to the American people.

The apple, it would appear, didn’t fall far from the tree.

 

I still think the media is by far the biggest problem

we had most of those other problems before, but the media has never been this hostile to the President and the Republican party before. Blaming it mostly on leadership calls the Dem leadership admirable. They lead the way with the coverage by using their constant unprofessional screeching and calling the President and other Republican's names.

It's unfortunate but that is what works. I don't blame our leadership for trying to take the high road and remain professional, but now it's time to get nasty because nice doesn't work. It's such an unbelievable joke that Barrak Obama can come along as the person who is going to change the tone. He and the dems act as if the Reps are responsible for the nasty tone even though Republicans never engaged in it. I'm sorry to say that I now think they need to stoop to the Dems level. They are blamed for being the nasty ones despite their civility under constant name calling and baseless attacks from the Dems. The Dems won with those tactics.

I do agree with you that Bush has poor communication skills, but those poor skills got him elected and made him one of most popular Presidents ever until the media and the Dems did their demonizing of him.

The one clearest example to me that is indicative of the whole thing is how the President was reading to those Children on the day of the attacks and at the time, everyone was amazed at his calm and composure in not alarming the kids. Then Michael Moore and the dems decide to turn it into something else after the fact. People's opinions were changed on something that they saw happen in real time with their own eyes and judged positively as it actually happened. Now they remember it differently due to the Michael Moore's of the world telling them what they should think about things.

I do agree with you that we have no leadership but I don't agree that it's Bush's fault. I think he was a good leader who was unfairly attacked. He held his ground with profound dignity, but he didn't get proper support from the House and Senate. They should have been doing the dirty work of attacking back with the same dirty crap but they didn't and they caved and used it to manipulate the President into giving them what they wanted.

Wow - what a rant - you can tell that I'm bothered by the whole thing I'm sure. I think we are in complete agreement about the need to fight fire with fire, but it's because of the media that we need to stoop to it. They gave legitimacy to the Dems outrageous claims and screeching name calling tactics. I have complete contempt for the media and the Dem politicians.

I think a better system for

I think a better system for this vote is to give it a number system like 1=10 going from the most important to less.

I think that the collapse of the Republican party is so many reasons that it would be hard to list them all.

It’s a bit of a perfect storm.

 

One that no ones seems to talk about is how (in the open and right in your face) that the left agenda is pushed in the MSM.

It is like they use the fact that Fox “is the talking points for the Republicans” so they can be as left as they want. They don’t have to pretend they are fair, because.. “they.. have FOX.”

 

The Republicans kept spending and telling us “well if you don’t like that, just wait until the Democrats are in if you want to see spending”. That is just not much of an answer.. They have no self control, the earmarks are the perfect example.

 

I feel (maybe its only me) that the war is going not so bad, and that we have to finish the job. Not even for this war but for the next, the world has to see that we will stick it out, and win, taking away the chance of anyone ever beating us again. No more Viet Nam.

 

I think the leadership from the top on down is totally dysfunctional.  After the big lossin 2006 what changed? Nothing! Your football team just went 0-12 what changes? Everything right from the coaches on down. If you are the RNC, you change..nothing.

 

The prescription drugs for seniors is a good example of buying votes with our (and our children, and their children) money.

 

We have a President that is not well spoken, as well as the Republican in important positions but no one talks to the media. That could be the total left leaning of the MSM. The only way to beat that is like Reagan did and go straight to the people.

 

I think that straw that broke the back of the conservatives was the immigration fiasco, after thousands and thousand of phone calls,e-mails, faxes, bricks mailed to Capital Hill,  they still tried to ram it up our ass. In effect: Screw you we will do what we want! Who do you think you are.. Then to put salt in the wound, they call us names like racist or xenophobes, nativist. Our own representatives calling us name because we don’t want our country over run.This also ties in with the fence, that tells us: SCREW YOU AMERICA, WE WILL DO AS WE PLEASE AND IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, T.S.

 

The real problem is despite what the RNC thinks is people have forgotten why conservative ideas work. Their historic basis, and why our forefathers designed the government like it is.

I am not saying that the people that blog do not know, I have read some of the most intelligent writings on line, but the average Joe sixpack that looks Sports Center and never watches Fox, or watches all of the MSM esp. MSMBC with OB. Will start to forget how this great country was formed and why it is so great. Not by becoming France.

 

 

I wrote the following letter to the RNC, and talk show people, basically everyone I could think of, every right wing think tank. There response back to me.. nothing. No word, no e-mail, as though I was a crack pot. So I will post the letter here. Maybe someone that is trying to understand the anger of the conservatives will read it and pass it on...

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

An open letter tothe

An open letter tothe R.N.C.

 

Educate Via Ads

 

I strongly believe that the RNC and / or conservative groups should advertise. The ads must be run well in advance of the political season. I strongly believe that this advertising should be simple, attractive, and upbeat.  These ads should quote from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the writings of great Americans.  These ads should celebrate important people and events in American history, the adds should present the real facts about big picture issues, (the economy, the family and immigration) and reveal the truth behind common liberal rhetoric (e.g. government spending = taxpayer dollars). The government creates no wealth, just redistributes it. Our citizenry needs to understand that “Freehealth care” is not  FREE.

 

 

The left plays the envy/race card with: “tax cuts for the ‘rich’”. The ‘rich’, the top 50% of the population, pay 96.54% of the taxes, and the top 1% pay 34.17%. Americans value fair play, and the fact that we over-tax the producers and reward then on-producers goes against our country’s most basic beliefs.

 

These ads should not focus on narrow policy debates or highly controversial issues (e.g.,capital gains tax cuts, abortion), but should be aimed at promoting core conservative values of limited government, private property, free enterprise, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and patriotism.  The ads must be rigorously nonpartisan. Any open party affiliation will undermine the integrity of the message.  Cultural and political transformation, not partisan point scoring, must be the touchstone. The ads must have a website attached for further information.

 

Both parties spend 10’s of millions on ads at election time.  Don’t wait until election time. Educate the citizenry about true conservatism before election time and you won’t have worry at the polls. Conservatives are working at saving our nation. Ronald Reagan will NOT be riding in to save our country. Why not use what he did best? Go straight to the people over the head of the MSM. How can you hear the line: America, the shining city on the hill and not feel proud to be American. Or, how can you not have a tear in your eye when you hear the line: These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. Americans -want- to feel good about their country. You will be making converts for life. We are not selling people/canadates, we are selling ideas!

It can be done with advertising.

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

And pigs will fly

before the RNC has the "who-has" to do the obvious, as you've stated above - and remember, our present presidential "leader" doesn't like the truth or fighting back - it might hurt the demolibs feelings - and you can't reach across the aisle if your "friends" have their feelings hurt.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

I agree, but we have to

I agree, but we have to start to think long term. Maybe 2012, we have to turn this around sometime.

We are screwed this go-around, the choice: Communist, Communist lite, or liberal..

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

Romney / Jendil  2012 (if,we survive)

I like that thought

I'd go with most of the above - what the pubs need is a Leader, somebody with the body parts that will say what needs to be said. Someody who will stand up for the people who pay the taxes, and remind the rest of the spenders that there needs to be a "personal responsibility" clause in all things governmental!

We need someone, a clear, straight talker, who will point out the mistakes of the demolibs, the foolishness of the media, and constantly expose the both of them. Unfortunately, we don't have anyone like that, but there will need to be a leader, soon, because after the next 4 years, we're gonna need one.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Blonde... You nailed it

Blonde...

You nailed it with "most of the above". 

"Abstain from McCain"

Other

I don't think the problems Republicans have is policy or even the war or any decisions made by President Bush. But I do lay it at his doorstep.

Bush, from the beginning of his administration, has had an inability to connect and communicate his agenda and real accomplishments. This has been handed over to surrogates who are just not the President. Bush has not framed issues - they were framed for him and he has had to be on the defensive.

We have had the most robust economy in my lifetime. And he has done that by inheriting a recession, compounded by the single worst disaster in history (9/11) and its dramatic impact on our economy, as well as a  major mortgage and housing problem. Yet we have still not seen a negative growth quarter. But the White House has had an inability to communicate any of these accomplishments and has allowed the media to be dominated by ignorant democratic grossly slanted references on the economy.

The same goes for the War in Iraq and in Afghanistan and frankly any of the policies in the Mid East. People should have been reminded that Iran was a major threat before he took office and is now. But now they are being isolated by the world community. Iraq was also openly funding terrorists in the region. In the last year of Clinton there were weekly and at times daily  terrorist bombings in Israel. Now it is a rare occurence.

And, yes, the leadership of both Houses needs to be condemned for not better managing their own affairs and looking away from conservative issues and scandals.

What Gat Said

With one minor exception. The mortgage and housing situation is neither major, nor a problem, but rather, a media invention.

 


ABC 2008 (Anybody But Clinton)

Gat, I agree with you about

Gat, I agree with you about Bush not communicating. Rush Limbaugh used to say that Republicans often didn't respond to Democrat attacks (cutting school lunches, etc.) because they thought the accusations were so blatantly false that no one would believe them.

Well, guess what? People believed them, because the Libs kept repeating them over and over without rebuttal. Like it or not, we live in a media age, and politicians of all stripes need to realize that.

This country was betryed by the media when Bush made that amazing speech in front of the Knesset, and all the media talked about was an inferred slap at Obama. But in other areas the President should have been out there tooting his own horn instead of hoping that his actions would speak for themselves. Personally he may not have cared if they didn't give him credit, but it hurt the Party.

That was the part of Clinton . . .

That was the part of Clinton I wished Bush had - the natural ability to communicate and convince people of anything. And that inability has hurt the party tremendously.

 

I voted other.

While I think all of them have contributed, the one possible exception being the Osama bin Laden element, as, quite frankly, he is no-longer even on my radar.

I think it depends on who you talk to as to what the order of importance really is.

I find it not a little distressing that #s 2 and 4 have received no votes as yet, as I consider them to be two of the greatest failings of the republicans. Somehow, I just don't think most people (and that includes a lot of "conservatives" really get it when it comes to the inherent dangers of the prescription drug program.

That insanity alone could bankrupt this country all by itself.

 

RD

RD,

I find that curious as well. In my view, the one-two punch that KOed this party well before illegal immigration took center stage in 2006 was the expansion of Medicare in late 2003 followed by an inability to reform Social Security in 2005.

Depending on what happens this year, it is quite conceivable history will look back on these two events occurring while the GOP controlled Congress and the White House as the turning point for the conservative movement. ns

Noel, honestly, I just hope those two items don't KO the country

If you ask me, the two things that threaten the near-term financial viability of this nation are Social Security and the prescription drug program (which really wasn't needed, IMHO.)

I know politicians from both parties have been running around saying that SS is solvent up to year so-and-so and all, but that is bunk. SS isn't really solvent now, as the money that comes in that morning is going out that afternoon to pay benefits to current recipients, the number of which is on the verge of sky-rocketing due to the boomers who are now fast approaching retirement.

The SS "Trust Fund" is nothing more than an IOU tucked away in a dusty DC filing cabinet somewhere. It doesn't exist. The program is broke.

As for the prescription drug program, I can easily see that albatross growing to at least three times its current projected cost. Have you ever seen an entitlement program that didn't end up costing at least three times its initial projections?

I haven't.

I didn't start really worrying until I saw the inexplicable reaction of so many people (many who should have known better) to the entirely reasonable proposal that a meager 2% of SS be privatized.

People went absolutely nuts over this. Imagine the reaction had they proposed privatizing 50% of SS, which is what I would have preferred, if not more?

What was really disheartening to me, every complaint I heard regarding this centered around the fact that people just didn't want the responsibility of making decisions on their own, and would prefer the government making them instead.

My interpretation of that was that people are just scared of freedom, period, even if it only meant having to make decisions on just 2% of their SS funds.

I think there are just too many people today who are perfectly willing to rely on government to make their decisions for them. We are seeing this more and more in all areas of life.

After all, it is the path of least resistence.

Problem is, I really don't think most people appreciate the massive financial outlays that are going to be required just for these two programs alone, and I haven't even mentioned all the other entitlement programs that have to be funded.

The Republican Party, while it still had a majority, should have done much more to educate the public as to the consequences of maintaining the status quo here, but they didn't.

If drastic action isn't taken soon, it is going to get to the point where it will be too late to do anything about it. What is really unfortunate is that it appears the democrats are going to be increasing their majorities in both the House and the Senate in November, making it even more difficult to head this off.

As it currently stands, if there is, in fact, a plan to deal with this, it pretty much centers around both parties screwing around until the last second, and then introducing massive, economy-choking tax increases in an effort to "fix" the problem.

It stands to be one hell of a train wreck.

RD, I just don't know how

RD, I just don't know how anyone can make those people realize that this is an untenable system. When people hear that some day every single worker may be supporting his very own retiree, even that doesn't make an impression. I guess they don't care because they won't be that worker; they will be the retiree. (We can always allow mass immigration like they do in Europe to increase the work force.)

Then you have the folks who say it's not enough....well SS was never meant to be one's whole retirement income. And then complain that the prescription drug program isn't enough. And they don't even see the outrageousness of complaining that what is basically a GIFT of money....is not enough; they want more!

I resisted responding to your earlier comment on this; I knew it was not a good idea to get started....then I weakened LOL. You had to go and be persistent and post again!! ;-)

Well I'll force myself to stop there; for now at least. (Homemade) Pizza is calling....

 

mb, I know I sound like the lone voice in the wilderness.

But I cannot help but notice that there are still no votes in either category, and that poll has been up all day.

This is the problem. The apathy apparently has now spread into places you wouldn't normally expect it.

How sad for the next generation of Americans, who are going to be saddled with the bill for all this.

Hope the pizza turned out well. :-)

 

 RD... We as a people

 RD...

We as a people have been hoodwinked by our politicians over S.S. for so long that we have convinced ourselves that it's really not a problem. With this in mind, I tell my kids, and my grandkids, they had better make alot of their own money because by the time they retire S.S. will be history.

"Abstain from McCain"

Ct,

I just hope that, in an effort to "fix" the thing, the idiot government doesn't destroy the economy. 

Some of the projected tax increases I have seen that it would require would be economically devastating.

I would really hate for my nieces and my nephew to be faced with that.

RD... I seriously think

RD...

I seriously think it's time to let S.S. die off. 

"Abstain from McCain"

Ct, It woudn't hurt my feelings if it had died ten years ago.

I'm 44, and I know I will never see a dime of what I have paid in.

 

i said other: Cobwebs on

i said other:

Cobwebs on the "Bully-Pulpit"

Allowing the Libs to attack constantly without counter attack.

Face it they allowed the Dems to totally frame the public perception of events.  Where has W been with the bully pulpit?

  i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”   

Collapse?

That's a little premature don't you think!  Setbacks, yes!  Lack of  true conservative leadership, yes!

There are alot of conservatives out here that absolutely know the "True Republican" or even the "Conservative Democrat" principles, the principles that made this country the greatest society in history are what is needed right now.

The liberals have their "Liberal" leader(s) and they have all fallen in behind them(him). They are speaking with one voice, and boy oh boy, are they wrong.

True conseratives need to stand up and be heard.  We need to fight for what we believe in.  Or, we can allow Obama, Kennedy, Clinton, or Schumer to determine the way we live our lives. 

My Thoughts,

Overspending

While overspending was decidedly anti-conservative, there were a couple of other problems.

One was Bush's seeming unwillingness to keep Americans informed of his policies. Until the past year or so, Bush held rather few press conferences.

The other is Bush's and the Republican party's unwillingness to respond to attacks by the Democrats and the media during the first six years of his administration. His responses to their attacks came a bit too late.

Overspending

While overspending was decidedly anti-conservative, there were a couple of other problems.

One was Bush's seeming unwillingness to keep Americans informed of his policies. Until the past year or so, Bush held rather few press conferences.

The other is Bush's and the Republican party's unwillingness to respond to attacks by the Democrats and the media during the first six years of his administration. His responses to their attacks came a bit too late.

I chose OTHER

Because I wanted to say

ALL OF THE ABOVE

Gosh, I'm in agreement...

Delsa,

I would exclude #4, though.

The sour mood on the economy and the lack of fiscal constaint when they had control are key issues.

Syrius

REPUBS: HOW ABOUT REMINDING VOTERS?

REMINDER: WHO
ARE THE DEMOCRATS?

The
national democrats have degenerated into secular socialists the past 40
years. They push bigger gov-ment, higher taxes and no basic morality.
Its how they vote and its the groups that back them strongest.
By their voting records you shall know them. The rest is fog. Its all
about buying votes from the less successful for power with the taxes of
the most successful.
See… no profanity, no names, no rants… conservatives do not need the
juvenile tactics to make their point. The secular socialists do… when
their supporters are not yelling or throwing pies or tearing down signs.

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)

I concur ALL of the Above

If not more.

Total Lack Of Leadership

I did not vote because this item was not listed.

The last true leader of the Republican Party was President Ronald Reagan. There has been no one to step into his shoes since he finished his second term in the White House.

No one since Reagan has exhibited anything close to his combination of a clear vision of a set of guiding principles along with the communication skills and desire to constantly inform people of those principles. Unlike his successors, Reagan tirelessly sought to convince more people of the correctness of his guiding principles rather than trying to appeal to more people like it seems most want to do today.

OTHER: The GOP have abandoned morality/ethics/common sense

The GOP have abandoned morality/ethics/common sense, in favor of a purely NeoCon/Globalist/CFR/NAU/NWO/ agenda, which they thought they could force feed us in November. That cat has been out of the bag for some time now and we are not buying it. So, the GOP has gone shopping for a new base on the left who will buy their CFR snake oil.

The party's strategy to win in November is still to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. They are in denial. Conservatives will not actually vote for any of the three liberals left.

The Republican and Democrat parties have now compleated their merger and become the CFR/Globalist Party. Conservatives are not listening to Juan McCain's canned blather, they are shopping for a new party with an old vision. One that offers Conservatives hope for a return to Ameican core values.


Convention Day is D-Day.

When the Conservatives dump the GOP no one will look back. We will be too busy grooming our Grand New Party.

 

---

Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Two Words: Lincoln Chafee

All of the above plus more, and not necessarily in that order.

But if you want to condense it into two words? How about: Lincoln Chafee

It's not that the guy wasn't a conservative, he wasn't even a Republican and yet get this.

The Weekly Standard
LINCOLN CHAFEE, easily the Senate's most liberal Republican, didn't vote for George W. Bush in 2004.

Nevertheless, in his bid for reelection this year (2006), Chafee has so far enjoyed the robust support of the White House, the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the Rhode Island state GOP, and leading Senate conservatives--despite the presence on the primary ballot of a right-of-center alternative, Cranston mayor Stephen Laffey.

And now... he's LEFT the Republican party that Bush ensured he was the nominee for in 2006. Gosh I'm shocked, shocked I tells ya!

Doesn't that SAY IT ALL?

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Arrogance and lack of leadership

Poor political insight and planning on the part of the Republican leadership and administration. Especially noticeable in the invasion of Iraq, apparently planned as a best case scenario military action. No planning for the aftermath and power vacuum created by the destruction of the Saadam regime. No or little apparent planning for the reconstruction of the country. I view the invasion as major political mistake. I thought so on the eve of the invasion and still do so now. After the 2004 elections the Democrats were in disarray. They had lost 2 elections in a row. The congress had a Republican majority in both houses. The invasion gave the Dems a rallying cry and a reason to reorganize and a focus. George Bush, either naive, or wanting to be liked, focused his efforts on radical fundamental terrorism and ignored the true enemy: the liberal democrats and the media. You ignore your enemies at your peril. Due to the points I listed above we have now lost both houses of congress have a very weak and marginalised President and may lose the Presidency in the upcoming election because of the all the events stemming from the ill planned and conceived invasion of Iraq not to mention the very quiet split in the Republican Party between moderates and conservatives and real leadership is lacking in the party. This administration gave it all away.

Lack of, or failure of, leadership

AH,

IMHO you are "spot on" about the Republican party leadership not recognizing the true nature of the domestic Democratic party activists and politicians as new type of political opponent, a real enemy. The old expectations of contending politically with people who basically share your same value system with respect to morals, etc., but have different goals and aims (even spending and welfare, to some extent) have gone the way of the dinosaur. I will give you my take on the war later, and the furor over the war by the Democrats is right out of Lenin's (and his U.S. disciple Saul Alinksy's) play book.

It would be a tough job to identify a mainstream Democrat who is not radicalized (accepting the basic assumptions of Marxism/Leninism and dialectical materialism), excepting possibly those Democrats in the three Special Elections, who might be closer to conservatives than their Republican opponents. Of course most of the MSM were converted in college. When you don't have a meaningful moral compass, almost any kind of stupidity will suffice for political speech, as long as the attack is forceful.

Until the conservative base, and the true conservative politicians, wise up and prepare for true "no-holds barred", no rules, no "true truth", no right and wrong, battle, we are marked and ripe for destruction and oppression right here in River City. The extent to which the media go to protect the illusion that Obama is just a particularly charismatic and "nice" conventional politician (he is not that different from Hillary) is some proof of this thesis. His training and exposure to mentors over the last 25 or so years has been all radical, starting with Alinsky after college and one legal job. Until he strenuously and particularly repents of and repudiates that training, he will be a radical candidate for me.

That is just by way of demonstrating how clueless the Republican leaders seem to be (Newt Gingrich, for one, and others), and affirming your insight.

There is NO "anthropogenic" Global Warming. NONE.

You are spot on too

The lack of ruthlessness, the inability to fight the media, and the (now radicalised Un-) democratic party effectively have hamstrung the Republican Party. Bush's terrible problem with public speaking has been a real stumbling block as the bully pulpit is the only real weapon Republicans have as a foil to the MSM. The dems and MSM took down all the republican leadership one after another. They have isolated and demonised the rest so that they are afraid to speak out on anything because they believe they are alone. We scoff at their assertions and logic (the msm) in almost everything (thats what newsbusters is for) but their bias is so pervasive and their propaganda has become "truth" (see global warming). I argue continuously if not quite successfully that perceptions are everything. That reason and logic do not always win the day in fact is irrevelant to the coming struggle. Obama has friends like Dohrn and Ayers and the wrong rev wright and his wife. These associations should be attacked attacked attacked every day his true motiviations need to be attacked even if we use the same weapons and tactics the left does. We once again are becoming principled losers but this election over all that have come before may mean the end of the Republic as we know it with the first socialist president. McCain has a shot but he has to grow a set and realise what is really at stake here and the harumphing "true" conservatives can't sit home and vote for a Perot. It is very ironic that europe is starting a turn to the right just as we are about to be come a socialist democratic republic. They know the high cost of socialism and are starting to rebel from it. Many in our country now think that the nanny state is just what the doctor ordered.   

Overspending while in control of Congress and White House

This is far and away the BIGGEST reason, and this is what my liberal friends HAMMER me on most of the time.

Not only that my lib friends say they are voting democrat, to reduce spending!!

Screw the MSM . The reason the swiftboating worked is because it was the TRUTH. All the crap the msm tossed no way the truth was ever going to be covered up.

The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!


Liberals/need/help/IranianUranium/<sleep>

Moving to the left!

Moving to the left! Pandering! ES&D you suckups!

ALL of the above!

IMHO, "All of the above", or some selective groupings should be added as additional options.

 

"If todays's Democrats were running Congress in the 1940's, we'd already be a bi-lingual nation----------German and Japanese!"

Ideally, we could rank them

But I'd still rank spending #1, and my candidate for #2 isn't even close.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Oh, my goodness...

I'm actually in the majority.

Yep, folks, it's spending. You can blame us for a lot, but the fact that the Democrats can righteously diss Republicans on that sore subject by now is NOT the party's hated-but-tiny libertarian faction's fault...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

I think the collapse started

I think the collapse started with the expression of "Compassionate" Conservatism.  Two clear (and erroneous) implications came from that expression: 1) that Conservatism isn't compassionate in and of itself and 2) if Conservatism is not seen as compassionate, the principles should be altered so that it is seen that way.  This wildly irresponsible label effectively put principled Republicans on the defensive for their views.  This gave rise to self-appointed "new way" Republicans like Arnold Schwarzenegger to ignore the reasons they got elected in the first place...and to use their name recognition (as opposed to popularity) to push an alternative agenda to permanently move the party to the left.  Additionally, it created justifications for big government Republicans to spend as much as they wanted to.  Republicans had now abandoned the principles that got them elected in the first place.  Now their pitch seems to be "vote for us because our candidate is not quite as bad as their candidate is", or, alternatively, "you owe it to our candidate to check your principles at the front door and vote for him...all to preserve the party".  Screw that.   

fitz

I'm not too sure about your premise here.  Let's take a look at it.

I'll agree that "Compassionate Conservative" is an idiotic turn of phrase.

However, I'd posit that conservatives are all about (1) reality and (2) problem solving (3) an even playing field.

Having said that, the idea of compassionate conservatism is that we recognize that sometimes things happen that are beyond a person's control. Our way to handle it is to acknowledge the issue (whether it is stupidity in New Orleans or an idiot mortgage); while giving the individual an opportunity to solve the problem himself/herself. 

Which is exactly the opposite of a liberals' "solultion"....let me fix it for you. 

So while I hate the term, I'm for the basic idea, forgive, assist and educate to fix the problem, and if you're too stupid to fix it yourself.....so be it.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, When you look at

Blonde,

When you look at the way politics is done these days, do you not notice that both parties are increasingly using marketing cliches?  "Branding", "Re-Branding", "Focus Groups", "Buzz", "Demographics", etc. are but a handful of the more irritating expressions that have been trotted out time after time in this election cycle.  But while the Democrats have succeeded in the last couple of years by essentially repackaging the same crappy ideas and "solutions", the Republicans (with the "leadership" of George W. Bush, John McCain & Schwarzenegger...and the less said about the likes of Mike Huckabee, the better) have attempted to "Re-Brand" by changing some of the party's essential principles to meet a perceived consumer demand.  In my opinion, the phony populist rhetoric that has led to the irresponsible spending and the concession on red herring issues like "global warming" all started with Bush's use of the phrase "Compassionate Conservatism".  Whether or not he intended to weaken the principles of Conservatism with this label, when coupled with his tendency to concede policy authority to Democrats (Kennedy and the education bill, prescription drug benefits, the various pieces of illegal alien legislation)...well, it sure doesn't help.  Overall, the problem is that the party is unwilling to articulate why its ideas are better than those of the other party...its "leadership" simply concedes to inferior ideas because those ideas have become more popular.  To me, the expression "Compassionate Conservatism" suggests an unwillingness to fight for one's beliefs because one is not confident enough in one's ability to make others understand those ideas...it's the coward's way out.    

fitz

Fair enough. I suppose the phrase Compassionate Conservatism is as good enough jumping off place as any.

As for your point about "branding" and "re-branding"....I posted a link to Ahnold's branding statement earlier today.  Totally disgusting.  It's just lipstick on the pig, and doesn't make her any more attractive.

And I agree, it's a dearth of leadership, and the inability to articulate good ideas that have landed us in this pickle.  In fact, I went so far as to note that "Republican Leadership" has become an oxymoron.

I suppose I just questioned the entire notion that conservatives can't be compassionate.  We are.  We're just not stupid and naive about it.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I suppose I just questioned

I suppose I just questioned the entire notion that conservatives can't be compassionate.  We are.  We're just not stupid and naive about it.

Actually, Blonde, that was essentially my first point.  Attaching the term "Compassionate" to Conservative as a new "brand" (as George W. Bush did) creates the impression that Conservatism is not compassionate...that it needs to be modified with a healthy dose of liberalism to make it so.  What Bush and the Republicans should have done is simply say "Conservatism is 'Compassionate'"...then articulate how. 

If ever a question needed an "all of the above" answer

Well, at least a "most of the above" answer.

Conservatives elected GWB and Congress. And what we got for it was largely a slap in the face. Spending on liberal social programs increased, there were repeated demoralizing attempts to pass Amnesty, escalating pork at the Congressional trough, and a parade of personal misbehavior that turned the stomachs of the party base.

A lot of conservatives stayed home in 2006, but the party itself has not done anything much about it. Read the comments to the warmed over milquetoast "agenda" of the RNCC at their site and you will see why the party is in trouble:

http://blog.nrcc.org...

So many conservatives are fed up that donations are down, McCain is struggling in the polls against a far left ideologue, and congressional seats are dropping where they should not be dropping.

Personally I'll vote for McCain, but with no enthusiasm. I haven't given a dime to the party that got a lot more than that from me in the past.

IMO the cavalry may be on the horizon. Jindl and Palin are two young conservative governors who will have a full term's worth of executive experience in 2012. If they do well in that guantlet they would make a heck of a Republican ticket after four years of setbacks under Obama or McCain. Until then, the best conservatives can hope for is rearguard action and sorting out options.

DM

DM,

Can't do "All of the above" because then it gets 90 percent of the votes, and what did we learn? Nothing. I really want people to choose what's MOST responsible. Make sense? ns

Makes perfect sense

My comment wasn't meant to attack the question's mechanics but to underline the "90%" you just stated. And yes, the way you set it up did make me think hard -- well done.

FWIW, I picked Amnesty because I've seen the deepest rancor over that issue.

I think Amnesty is perhaps

I think Amnesty is perhaps the issue most symbolic of the Party's failure to represent its rank-and-file in the face of dishonest opposition.  But I believe the term "Compassionate Conservatism" is essentially the platform that allowed bogus policies like Amnesty to gain traction within the Beltway wing of the party. 

It's interesting that

It's interesting that overspending is in the lead when you consider the nation(many Republicans included) is about to turn the keys over to a party guaranteed to double what Republicans have spent the past 8 years.

I chose other, and was going to say that allowing the Democrats to control the conversation basically unopposed on nearly every issue is the main problem, but now I think that's just a symptom of the real problem, which is Republicans are just too interested in behaving like Democrats.

Edit:
One thing not on the list that maybe should be is Hurricane Katrina. The administration allowed the media to paint that catastrophe as a Bush-only-created catastrophe, and things haven't been the same since.

My analysis of the Republican Party's Collapse

This is an easy one and I'm surprised it was not a choice.
When Republicans ((wander, drift, runaway), (pick one or more)), from the underlying principles that make Republicans, Republicans, they loose elections. 
It happens every time.  Kind of like selling your soul to the devil.

I receive Newsmax emails,

I receive Newsmax emails, and today's had this in it: Conservative activist Richard Viguerie, without listing all the reasons for their failure says that all the Republican leaders must resign.

The Republican Party must replace its leadership or conservatives will continue to withhold support and the GOP will face “disaster” in November, leading conservative activist Richard A. Viguerie declared.

“Republican Party leaders must resign,” said Viguerie, publisher of ConservativeHQ.com and the pioneer of political direct mail.

“Leaders in the White House, the Congress, and the Republican National Committee and its affiliates, along with most Republican leaders at the state level, have failed — or outright betrayed — the conservative voters who put them in their positions.

“The result is that the Republican Party’s brand has become a negative to an extent greater than in the Watergate era, perhaps even worse than in the days of Herbert Hoover.”

Viguerie made these points:

* The number of new Republican voters is flat while Democratic voter registration is soaring.
* Contributions to Republican candidates and committees are way off, while donations to Democrats are "setting records."
* In this year’s primaries, votes for GOP candidates at all levels are running far behind the Democrats.
* In recent special elections, Republicans lost House seats in Illinois, Louisiana, and Mississippi that had long been in GOP hands — all in districts carried overwhelmingly by President Bush. A single election can be a fluke, but when Republicans lose three seemingly safe seats in a row, “disaster is looming.”

“The hard work of the last 50 years by millions of conservative campaign workers, donors, candidates, writers, intellectuals, and activists has been trashed,” he said.

“The conservative movement has been set back 10 to 20 years — possibly even permanently — by politicians consumed by power.”

He named a number of prominent Republicans, including President Bush, Karl Rove, party chairman Mike Duncan, House Minority Leader John Boehner, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, and House Minority Whip Roy Blunt.

“Some deserve more of the blame than others, but they are all part of an establishment that has brought the Republican Party down,” added Viguerie, whose latest book is “Conservatives Betrayed: How George W. Bush and Other Big-Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause.”

“For things to change, for conservatives to be justified in once again giving our contributions, our volunteer efforts, our energy, and votes to the GOP, the party must clean house. The party leadership should resign immediately.

“Republicans are doomed to wander in the political wilderness until this generation of weak-kneed, no-vision, inarticulate, afraid-of-the-liberal-media politicians are replaced with principled conservatives in the mold of Bill Buckley, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan.”

Viguerie has this message for the current GOP leadership: “For the future of the Republican Party, for America, and the cause of freedom: Go!”

Sounds like a plan to me!!

Mary

Mary,

Sheesh, and I was having a good day. Thanks. :-) ns

mb, I got that same email.

That is what I have been screaming for for nearly a year now. And the republican "leaders" who refuse to step down should be forcibly run off.

Only problem is, there is no one in the party with the guts to do what so obviously needs to happen.

I am going to have a really difficult time working up much sympathy for them come November, as I believe they are headed for an across-the-board defeat.

Sadly, most Americans are in the two-party mode, and cannot see their way clear to consider a third option. They only see that the repubs blew it, so they vote for the dems thinking things will improve.

They will actually only get worse.

mb...  “The hard work

mb...

 “The hard work of the last 50 years by millions of conservative campaign workers, donors, candidates, writers, intellectuals, and activists has been trashed,” he said.

“The conservative movement has been set back 10 to 20 years — possibly even permanently — by politicians consumed by power.”

Those two lines really hurt the most. But only because it's so damn true!

"Abstain from McCain"

Its the media and demographics

As the baby boomer bubble shifts toward retirement age, the votes for more and more government largess will grow more and more plentiful.  Its called self-interest.

Seeing this inevitability, Bush and the republicans tried triangulating into democratic turf by spending like drunken sailors on all manner of social programs.  But the Bush-hating, leftist MSM refused to play ball and begrudged giving Bush et al, even an iota of credit for their across-the-board generosity.  And keep in mind that one person's pork-barrel spending is another person's park, research grant, museum or bridge (and they don't all go to "no-where"!).

Instead, the MSM nitpicked and disparaged the way Bush chose to be generous (whining about paper work for prescription drugs) or simply ignored Bush's generosity.

Also, remember we were at war (post 9/11), and facing recession, so almost everyone at the time agreed that running up the credit card was justified.

For the MSM and the Dems to now accuse Bush of over-spending, while at the same time arguing for limitless health care coverage, open borders and free college education - is the height of hypocrisy.

 

(Note to all the anti-Iraq war conservatives: The time to stop the war was before it started.  Abandoning the Iraqi people after a huge majority of Americans and our politicians agreed to turn their country upside-down - would be a huge moral and geopolitical mistake.  Its OUR mess.  We are responsible.  Quit the whining!  Isolationism is no answer in a world facing its biggest challenge since Nazi Germany.)

Parker

Parker,

So, in 1980, a number of moderate Democrats voted for Reagan because their own financial best interests were served by lower taxes and a strong economy. However, as they approach retirement, they've got their hands out looking for government to take care of them?

Frankly, I very much agree...and this is what concerns me.

However, how much of this change of heart has been caused by a lack of conservative leadership in our Party? Is this an "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" affectation?

Here's what I mean: if Republicans are going to spend MY money like drunken sailors, then I WANT some. Make sense? ns

Noel, I see it like this:

Noel,

I see it like this: Instead of the Republicans spending my money for me on things that I may not have use for, why don't they just give it back in the form of tax cuts?

 

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Grizzly Bear '08

Schnikeys

Schni,

But that's moving to the right NOT the left. If more Republicans felt that way, we wouldn't be in the position we are today. And, I think what we're possibly witnessing is a societal shift at exactly the w