What Happened in Honduras Sunday?

A military coup the U.S. should support
17% (723 votes)
A military coup the U.S should denounce
4% (150 votes)
A fine example of democracy the U.S. should support
76% (3192 votes)
A fine example of democracy the U.S. should denounce
1% (40 votes)
Other (please comment)
2% (80 votes)
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Like it or not Obama is

Like it or not Obama is being consistent by demanding the return of a Chavez supporter subverting the Rule of Law.  Why else didn't he oppose the fraudulent Iranian election which even the Europeans saw as bogus?

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Heated Discussion

A month  ago, I had a heated discussion with a friend who was a founder of a major Fortune 500 Company. He objected heatedly to my saying that Obama had socialist tendencies.

Yesterday, when I used the same language he objected again. This time he said I was being too kind.    He thinks the climate bill will drastically damage the business he helped found.  BTW he voted for McCain.

allan... Seems like quite

allan...

Seems like quite a lot of people never open their eyes to reality until it hits them in the pocket-book etc.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

What happened in Honduras was no coup

It was a nation actually enforcing its very own constitution, something that the Obama regime uses for butt-wipe here in America.

-Dave

"Obama's health care 'reform' plan is to blow up the building in order to fix a leak in the roof." - Herman Cain

In the immortal words of

In the immortal words of former Arizona Cardinals coach Dennis Green, Obama "is everything we thought he would be".  Where are the RNC ads with Chavez, Castro, etc. comments on the Honduran situation right along side Obama's comments? 

Even some of his supporters have to be questioning him getting in line with these yahoos at this point.  

2012 campaign slogan - "Carter got his 2nd term, NOW can we move on?"

The Honduras is soveriegn

The Honduras is soveriegn state and they are following what they believe in their best interests.  From what I read the president was basically committing treason by having a secret straw vote on extending his term or office.  When the general he told to do it for him did not cooperate he then fired the general who is hired/fired by their congress.  They considered that treason nad deposed him.

From what I see it was pretty much legal in most respects even as would happen here if the congress decided to impeach a President for some grievous offense.

That said we as a nation should keep our opinions to ourselves or at least to a minimum and recognize the new president.  The honduras seem to have followed their laws and democracy is restored.

I will admit that I am not

I will admit that I am not fully up to date on the circumstances about Honduras (I did hear that there are accusations that the deposed leader was conspiring to distribute drugs to the US), but here's my question: isn't this what OUR constitution protects for us? I understand that Zelaya's approval was under 30% and he was making some really bad decisions. I also understand that the people of Honduras seem to be supporting his ouster. So why exactly is this a problem?

And, what does this say about the US and our right to reclaim our country from bad government? 

Feel free to enlighten me, but please - no flames. I respect many of you posters and would like to know if I am missing something. Thx.

"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt

Missing Paul Harvey..

Mazzi, remember Paul Harvey and his "and now the rest of the story..."

That's what's missing here.  To the best I've been able to find, you can ignore the charges about drugs and the low approval ratings - those are all just fluff.  Zelaya's issue was that, by proposing an end to the constitutional term limit on the presidency (one, four-year term), he (Zelaya) invoked the second clause of that article (#239) in their constitution, which, translated, states that "Anyone who violates this provision [term limit] or proposes its reform...immediately cease the discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10) years to exercise any public function."  It was his repeated defiance of the constitutional authorities that resulted in a quick trip to Costa Rica and international fame.

Our constitution offers the mechanism of impeachment to remove officials guilty of high crimes & misdemeanors. In Honduras, with its well-earned fear of despots and dictators, they just act a little more quickly.  It should be noted that the actions all appear to be fully legal and sanctioned implicitly or explicitly by the judicial system and by the legislature, which waited only a few hours before swearing in Zelaya's successor.  Doesn't really sound like much of a coup d'etat, does it?  

 

Why I voted

A fine example of democracy the U.S. should denounce.

I didn't think anybody else would vote that way (I was wrong). They'll probably change the questions anyway. 

We really need to educate our friends and family

about What actually happened in Honduras.  The Hondurans need our support, verbal and spiritual if nothing else. And it looks like they'll get nothing else from the media and administration morons in this country.     Spread the word.  THIS is how a free people protect themselves and their constitution. 

This was no coup

There was no coup:  (1) the president is limited to one term under the Honduran constitution, and even attempting to try
for a second results in immediate suspension from office (Article 239);
(2) there is no constitutional mechanism for removing elected officials
comparable to our impeachment process, so the Honduran officials have
had to ‘wing it;’ and (3) the Honduran military is specifically tasked
under the constitution with enforcing the one-term limit (Article 272).

I can see Chavez and his stooges (including Obama) calling this a coup; I am at a loss as to why other countries are doing so though.

if those articles are in Honduran Law, then

by no means should the deposed leader be allowed to reenter office, and should be arrested if he attempts to.  Based on the articles llisted here, I would say that the military was doing its job, based on the Honduran Constitution. At least somebody in the world seems to believe that a Constitution is worth something. I am certain that Obama is afraid this may be an example to the United States as to what can and should be done to him if he continues to use our Constution as toilet paper. Maybe not a coup, but impeachment for certain.

 

 

there is no spoon...

BHO looking ahead

Obambi was against this military action only because HE plans to do the same thing (defy the Constitution and remain in power) when he loses his bid for reelection in '12. We may have to force him out of the White House...

when he loses his bid for

when he loses his bid for reelection in '12. We may have to force him out of the White House

I am afraid he may have too much power then and his minions will steal the election ala Franken.  I believe he stole the first one through his minions and look to teh Black Panthers and ACORN as proof.

Re 2012

By 2012 the Bamster will have throughly corrupted the business sector, or taken over even more of it. The census will be completed and redistricting done, perhaps even corrupting the electoral vote allocations to states. (Pump the numbers in reliable democratic states, lose the data in Republican states, etc.) He will have pushed through illegal alien amnesty and registered the new citizens, and corrupted voting laws in the states through federal mandates such as outlawing the need for voter ID and outlawing roll purging. Far more citizens will be swilling at the government trough as employees or union members or both, and will trend democratic in order to keep their jobs. The Bamster's youth corps-basij will also be available to intimidate voters at the polls.

He will be very hard to beat in 2012.

Re 2012

slick, I can see what you are saying and understand it could come true but there are always many paths and the one I keep in the forefront is a day when osama bin obama gets his comeuppance because what goes around comes around and many Americans are getting sick and tired of his daydreams that can never be.

I see down a different route, a day when he is a distant memory of the worst totus ever to be, soon forgotten because of how he lacked experience, leadership, honor and decent human qualities. I also believe it will come to pass that we find out that he is not American, just my thinking.

Excellent

Excellent link

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It's time to call for a Congressional Investigation of Obama and the State Department. The fact that Venezuela printed the ballots for the illegal referendum to subvert the Honduran Constitution infers an attempt to overthrow the government of Honduras. Venezuela being a self described enemy of the US. The fact that State Department Officials were trying to dissuade the arrest of Zelaya means they knew what was going to go down. The fact that the State Department got involved means they had to have been up to date on the issues behind the impending arrest to make the attempts to dissuade them, otherwise they would be meddling in the internal domestic affairs of another country. What did Obama know and when did he know it?

Subverting a government must be some kind of crime in the US Criminal Code, lord knows it fills a library.  Let's start with the Neutrality Act.  Did Barack Obama violate the Neutrality Act?  Does it apply to a sitting US President? Is interferring in the lawful succession of power as ordered by the court of a sovereign government a crime? Is the act of sponsoring the OAS resolution to demand the return of the deposed Honduran President via an extortion attempt of ejecting Hondorus from the OAS an act of interfering in the internal domestic affairs of a sovereign country?  Is it a violation of US criminal law to do so?

Well Republicans, you have just been handed the equivalent of Watergate, what are you going to do about it?  The Dems made a big stink about the removal of Allende of Chile when Nixion did it and there was no judical order to do so at the time, how is Honduras different that Republicans should not scream until their ears bleed?

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Re Honduras

By simply referring to this as a 'military coup', the liberal media is parroting the Bamster's and Chavez's propaganda. In a military coup, someone from the military gets rid of the government and puts themself in charge. That obviously didn't happen here. If I was writing this story, I would say that the former President was sent into exile for trying to subvert the constitution in defiance of the congress and their Supreme Court.

This is another disgraceful exhibition of the Bamster's pusillanimous foreign policy. I don't know whether it is more due to his incompetence or malice. Probably both. He ran for President saying we should not meddle in foreign countries, but since then he had refused to meddle when it was in America's best interests, such as in Iran. At the same time, he feels free to meddle in Honduras and Israel.

Obama re-enacting One Flew

Obama re-enacting One Flew Over the Coup Coups Nest with Hillary as Nurse Ratchet.

0bama has sent a message..


US suspends military relations

While
the administration joined the OAS in calling for Zelaya's unconditional
return, with no limits on his presidential powers, it also seemed open
to some form of compromise.

Like this:

The coup, the OAS resolution said, has produced an "unconstitutional alteration of the democratic order."

Just give em STINK EYE ya big oaf

Reagan VS Liberalism

Other

I chose "other" as this is an example of how the Honduran government removes a sitting President who has violated their laws. It's apparent the the Hondurans need to amend their Constitution to  allow for impeachment, something it doesn't have right now

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Re Honduras

And by the way, where are Republicans in Congress on this? How about calling for a Congressional vote of support for the new President, Micheletti? How about sending a Congressional delegation to Honduras on a fact-finding mission? How about calling for a vote in Congress warning the Bamster against any military adventurism in Honduras? How about a vote warning Venezuela against any military actions against Honduras?

I know they are busy fighting against the socialization of healthcare and the odious Cap and Trade, but let's not let the world go to hell in the meantime.

that would require our Repubs to grow a pair

and I fear they have lost that ability. It is frustrating that the Big O keeps messing up which can only help the Repubs in '10 but all we hear from the red side of the aisle is crickets chirping.....

These choices suck.

None of these choices are right. Hence I picked other.

 The military kicked the a-hole who wanted more power and years in office. THEN gave the country back to it's people.

That's not a coup. That's called doing the right thing.

 

I still can't believe our President. The President of the United States! - has denounced this!?!?! Really? THE MILITARY KICKED THE GUY OUT - AND GAVE THE COUNTRY BACK TO IT'S PEOPLE?

 How many times does that happen? The MILITARY, in a SOUTH AMERICAN country doesn't just take over. They in fact, GIVE the country back to the people.

It's madness I say. 

our marxist president

How dare Obama criticize Honduras and EVEN think about cutting off their funds for taking out a potential dictator?!!!!This is 180 degrees out of sinc with the US policy of supporting and protecting freely democratic gov'ts. He sides with Chavez and Castro et al? Please I hope that we are taking video and audio for the next election cycle. A president protecting a dictator in Central America. Wow, just wow. 

jessieH          

jessieH                    I see the obama administration falling the same way. This could be our future. It might be the only way to save our country. I hope not. People could get hurt.

Other: What to do with an incompetent schmuck!!!

What-ever you call it, it should be an example of an immediate regime change in America, what could it hurt, just send Barack back to Chicago in his pajamas. If he was actively working overtime to destroy things he couldn't be doing a better job, but it's sold as "Hope and Change". Khrushchev wasn't able to accomplish what Obama has, and in just 6 months.

Not knowing everything at this

time, to date all I have read leads me to believe this is a legal action taken by the residents of a sovereign nation agains't a law breaking tyrant, much like we need to do here to osama bin obama another known law breaking tyrant.

Other - An Important Distinction

It seems most people are going with "A fine example of democracy the U.S. should support".  Unfortunately, "democracy" seems to have become nothing more than a buzzword for both sides of the aisle.  Lest we forget, the US is not a democracy but a democratically-elected, representative republic.  The Founding Fathers were vehemently against a true democracy because such inevitably becomes a mobocracy capable of tremendous evil.  Untempered democracy is the answer to nothing, and democracy of any form is neither what we have witnessed in Honduras nor what we should be praising.  Rather, Honduras has demonstrated the rule of law in striking down unconstitutional acts and following their constitution by removing the offender from office.  Perhaps if our own government officials held to the letter of our constitution rather than doing whatever they felt would get them votes, the US wouldn't be in its current situation.  The events in Honduras were certainly a fine example of something, deserving of our support and even emulation (how far we've fallen), but that something was not democracy.  It was adherance to the rule of law.

More of my thoughts

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi

It's Democracy in Action - something BHO hates

And now WE are suspending our military work with the Hondurans in "protest" of the "coup"!  Unbelieveable.  The stupid public at large is so clueless about this and many who are paying attention are being misled by AP and ABC reports about the streets being "filled" with as many as 1,000 protesters.  One thousand?  This tells me that the vast majority of Hondurans support these moves and it's only a small minority who are in the streets.  I've been to the country multiple times and will assure each of you that if the people felt this was unjust, they'd have 500 thousand protesters banging pots and pans in the street.  Yet our media makes it sound as if the opposite is true. 

It's frightening to live in a country with a press that's every bit as propagandist as the old Pravda (now Pravda is more independent than the likes of ABC, CBS, NBC, AP, etc.). 

And, where in the Hell are the Republicans on this?  All I hear are crikets chirping from the right side of the aisle.  These guys (and gals) need to grow a set and get out there in front of the public.  Because this Honduran incident makes it clear that we've been taken over by the Chavez left.  If our right sits on it's hands in disorganization as the Venezuelan opposition has, we could end up down the same path.  

Does this sound too apolcalyptic to you?  Well, Obama's actions have already vastly exceeded my previously "apocalyptic" expectations.  Never say never.  His stance on Honduras isn't merely out of ignorance.  He knows what he's doing and we need our side to call him out on it.  NOW.  

SG.... Hear,

SG....

Hear, Hear!

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart