Oh my God MM, you are dense as a rock son.

Of course it's not lovely.  It's 8 dollars and purchased from the gas station.  That's the joke. 

Ugh.  Do people always have to explain everything to you?  Good God, I can't imagine you have many friends in real life.  It would be annoying as heck to have to constantly make sure you were following the conversation.

More like thousands of words.  Unfortunately most of them were just wasted typing.

That's the entire debate. I kid you not. 

Our lovely liberal troll still doesn't get it, does he now?   Here's the sum total of this exchange. 

This is from Leon to me:

Date: August 23, 2007 - 10:54

Sigh Blonde,

It's been defended. Clear as day.

Pakistan harbors Al Qaeda.

That's the only argument one need make when assessing whether or not Pakistan is an ally.

How can they be an ally when they help our enemy on a regular basis?

Here's an example for you to prove that it's ok for Obama to say we should invade Pakistan. What is one of our major reasons for banging the war drums with Iran? Because they're aiding our enemies in Iraq. Helping them to kill Americans. This is a reason I hear all the time of why we should attack Iran. I don't hear you complain then.

Now what is Pakistan doing. Aiding our enemies around the world. Helping them to kill Americans.

Just because we haphazardly attached the hollow 'ally' designation in a moment of desperation when needed every 'ally' we could get, doesn't mean they're actually an ally, in practice.

Actions speak louder than words. Pakistan is helping al qaeda. The next time there is an al qaeda attack, Pakistan has the blood of innocents on their hands. Those could be Americans. And you call them an ally?

I don't feel like I have to explain myself anymore. I've been very clear. You're arguing based on an arbitrary designation. I'm arguing based on the reality of the situation.

Furthermore, I'm convinced that you're just arguing against me because you dislike me. You can't actually think you've won the debate. You can't actually believe you've proven me wrong in my assertion that Pakistan is not an ally. It's frighteningly delusional. But I will say, you're pseudo-intellectual Hemingway analysis was deliciously cute. Of course he was a mysogonist. So was almost every other man at that time. What's your point? To so crassly dismiss Hemingway as nothing more than a liberal idiot hero is insane. Truly insane. You've clearly not read a single Hemingway book and as such, it's a shame that you feel you have the right to comment blindly.

Not surprising, considering how out of touch you are during our conversations. The QueenMum quote is not old or irrelevant. It's highly descriptive of what happens when you and I debate. The sad part is that you're the only one that can't see it.

A little unhinged last night? I love how you never pounce until you think I'm not looking.

Sorry I had to go to bed, I have to get up in the morning. I have this thing called a job. Every weekday. Pretty much the same thing all week. It's a drag, but the cool thing is every friday money just sort of appears in my bank account. I think there might be some correlation between my coming to work everyday and my rising financial situation although I can't be certain.MY RESPONSE  to Leon:

Leon,

You think it’s been defended. It hasn’t. Pakistan is an ally because the President and the Secretary of State, who have constitutional authority in matters of foreign policy, recognize Pakistan as our ally. It is up to you to prove otherwise. I challenged you to prove it and defend Obama’s statement that it was okay to invade an ally. You couldn’t do it, because you can’t. Legally (and morally, I think, but we’d not touched on that…Musharef is in a very difficult situation with his islamic constituents, so I won’t sidetrack anything here) Pakistan IS an ally. Period, paragraph, end of story. That you tried to deflect this with your “harboring 3,000 AQ’s" is merely a bad debate tactic. This is debate 101, Leon. It’s not on me to disprove your theory. I could put up links on the board proving my point, but I don’t have to in this debate. Besides, it would make you look even more foolish. I challenged you.Go back and read the original thread. In fact, AJ commented at the very end of it on your debating technique(s). It might be enlightening for you to review.

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What you COULD have said was “Pakistan is not a good ally”, and I may have granted you that point. But that’s not what you said, nor continue to say, is it? In fact, I even said something to the effect in one of my very first posts “Pakistan is not an ally in the same class as Great Britian”. I doubt you’re capable of understanding the nuance, though, since you’re still stuck on my points.

I don’t particularly dislike you, but I find your behaviour and posts to be childish, churlish, and inane. And sometimes so utterly stupid I can’t let it pass (like this Pakistan thing). If you care to act like a grown up and engage in serious debate (defending your point and not deflecting with inanities), fine. No one on the boards minds a liberal who can debate rationally, without using DKOS talking points and other bad behaviour. (New liberal poster Jer comes to mind). You may actually get some posters here to respond to you after the way you’ve acted forever here, but then again, maybe not.

As for my knowledge of Hemingway, you are surely doing some projecting, Leon. I’ve read all of his books, I even own a couple of first editions, although I don’t read them because I don’t like Hemingway’s style at all. I keep them because they’re worth $$. I’ve been to his house in Key West a couple of times, too. Sometimes I serve bilinis at brunch. I find Hemingway to be artificially full of brevity..something I’m sure he played up to forge his own identity amongst the other writers of the time. To me, he’s an interesting historical figure, nothing more. BTW, I never said anything about Hemingway being a liberal idiot hero, or whatever you tried to infer. You might want to make a note of that…when debating, make sure you don’t misquote your adversary, nor ascribe to her things which she did not say.

Well, I’m glad you have a nice job and all that. Good for you. FYI, I have a really nice job, too….I’m just a night owl.

It’s customary on NB, when leaving in the middle of a debate, to say something like “gotta go…I’ll be back later”. Just a little clue from Miss Manners.

As for the rest of your note, I’ll leave your name calling and the rest of it alone. It serves no purpose.

Catch you around, Leon. 

So, do we love the trolls, or what? 

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