What I am surprised about is that CNN was so blatant about it. They didn't even try to get plants that weren't know. The blame is on CNN and no one else.
There goes whatever credibility that CNN had out the window.
I'm not sure why we should be surprised. I mean, the Press has been absolutely stacked with Democrat supporters for years now. This is just a natural extension of that...
I wasn't surprised by the plants at all and neither should anyone else. That's called running an effective campaign. That's called doing what it takes to win at all costs. You know, like Bush ruthlessly slandering and attack McCain in 2000. All is fair in Presidential combat.
It's so Rovian in it's deceit it's unbelievable. Is Karl working for Hillary? Pure Genius.
So I wasn't surprised about that at all. Common political practice to try to stack audiences in your favor. I mean, have you seen a Bush Town Hall meeting?
Not surprising. The only thing that surprised me was when the crowd booed a veteran b/c he was gay. That was shocking. That was a surprise.
I wasn't surprised by the plants at all and neither should anyone else. That's called running an effective campaign. That's called doing what it takes to win at all costs.
Since the question was really about CNN and not the Democrats, then you are agreeing that CNN is their mouthpiece, correct? Obviously, if CNN really cared, they could have easily checked out these plants and removed the,, wouldn't you agree?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Again for the millionth time, I wasn't pretending to not see the post. I was doing what every normal American should be doing at 2:56 pm on Thursday.
WORKING.
You should try it. It's great to make your own money.
Furthermore, with regards to NewsbusterBrown's post either CNN knew and did it intentionally or they had a sloppy vetting process. I don't work for CNN so I have no idea which it is. Therefore, I can't confidently comment as to their motive.
Unlike you, I like to make sure I know what I'm talking about before speaking with an air of authority. (i.e. zionism hahaha - I still get great big belly laughs thinking of how confident you were in that post - or like the time you commented before reading about my example of libs supporting the troops! haha - you are classic).
Leon, since you were so upset over a Fox Business Channel interview the day before, can you now comment on the CNN ?s, the people they asked to do ?s, the post debate crowd, etc. I'd love to get your take on this. Will CNN survive, just like you wanted to know if Fox Business Network would? Come on and tell us all since we know, as you say, "I like to make sure I know what I'm talking about before speaking with an air of authority." So, since you were an authority yesterday on a subject, thought you'd be one on this also-seeing as you have the same type info available to you!!
So just because I post a lot on NB you assume I don't work? I happen to know quite a bit about working for my fair share. But whatever, you're the one with all the authority.
The Zionist thing happened a month ago and was dependent on the context.
And as far as the libs clapping for a veteran, it was proven that his mother was a known Democratic activist.
We catch you in a black-and-white double standard, but instead of admitting it, you turn it around and start making fun of people.
card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
Still thinking you can insult people by claiming they don't work? You went on a tiraid about POLITICS by POLITICIANS. We are talking about a supposed 'news' agency directly shilling for Hillary. Is anybody home in that head of yours? Cripes
You can't be serious. Rovian???? This is right out of the Clinton handbook - The King and Queen of deceit. They're so good at it, in fact, that they have millions of little Leons running around actually believing the kind of bass-ackwards crap you spew on a daily basis.
Yes, the deceit was obvious and quickly exposed, but give me a break; you people act like the Clintons invented dirty politics. I'm no big Clinton supporter, but they are not the only ones pulling stuff like this.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Yes, the deceit was obvious and quickly exposed, but give me a break; you people act like the Clintons invented dirty politics. I'm no big Clinton supporter, but they are not the only ones pulling stuff like this
Again, that's not the real issue, Jason. If CNN had been doing their job and really were unbiased, none of those plants would have made it into the audience.
Yes, fine, but I'm using last night's incident merely as a springboard. The Clinton Derangement Syndrome (to invert a familiar term) is out of control around here. As much as it would support the ideology of a lot of posters here, The Clintons are not the spawn of Stalin and Eichmann. They're politicians operating in a political culture that has long abandoned notions of fair play; they do happen to be pretty darn good at it.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I thought the point of moderating a debate was to assure fair treatment, good questions, and honest answers.
We've gone from "Hillary didn't know" to "it wasn't a big deal anyway" to now "she is justified in doing it openly because that's politics."
And CNN is allowed to use her employees to blatantly argue with GOP candidates - and when the crowd booes shame on them for booing a veteran. But when MSNBC runs a poll that shows her losing, her campaign lies about it on national TV.
That stuff is okay because "everyone else is doing it." If it's really okay, we better not hear another word about Republicans doing.
card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
As if I haven't said so 10 times today already, I'm not defending their behavior, I'm criticizing you guys for acting like it's so unique to the Clintons. And yes, right now you have a solid example, so enjoy. But if I seem to be employing the well-worn "everybody's doing it" argument, it's only because I think you're using the "Only the Clintons are doing it" intimation.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason what u obviously dont understand or acknowlege is this si a republican debate and CNN seemed to have let in Dem operatives as undecided voters asking "gotcha" questions. CNN is a Democrat arm, nothing less. If this had happened in the Dem debate the GOP would have been lynched.
Jason : it's only because I think you're using the "Only the Clintons are doing it"
yes, and they've had soooo much experience and are soooo good at it .. that's the real point here .. if she wasn't so much a megalomaniac maybe she would run a straight campaign .. and people would vote for her because she was the most honest and knowledgable .. but she isn't honest and she is psychopathically desperate ..
JasonC I'm not defending their behavior, I'm criticizing you guys for acting like it's so unique to the Clintons.
Excuse me, another network "planted" people and questions from Repubs? You are pretending to excuse "supposed" bad behavior with bad behavior. Nobody here is buying it, so quit with the silly patronizing.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
You see in the mushy liberal mind evidence is not necessary and 'two wrongs always make a right' even if there's only one wrong. If they do "it" (whatever "it" is, usually something dishonest and dishonorable and to their personal advantage), "it" is always okay b/c others do "it" too (even if others don't really do "it"). But if others do "it", "it" is always wrong and the others must be pilloried. See makes sense, right? And the MSM is unbiased too.
Well, admittedly that was a facetious statement (sorta), but don't you think Republican campaign managers would love to have their own plants asking questions?
I hope not...we don't need any stinking plants...they leftists do well on their own if they ever get asked any tough questions that is.
....for instance Hillary stepping in it in the last five minutes with the Russert debate...when finally and I mean finally the question about illegal immigration finally got asked after numerous lefty debates which had been avoided at all costs.
Apparantly the Republicans aren't affraid to answer tough questions. The democrats, on the other hand, are terrified of the questions they might recieve from Fox News channel. You want people in power who are affraid of Brit Hume? What a bunch of pansies!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
Believe it or not after I posted my post above I was widhing I had posted about the leftists being scared of Fox debates....supposedly...what they really mean is they can't control the debates, it would have to be an honest debate...adn the leftists don't know how to spell honest let alone the definition.
I hope and I mean hope the General Election has the republicans demand that the debates belong on Fox or something like Russert did.
"...but don't you think Republican campaign managers would love to have their own plants asking questions?"
Since I am not a gypsy mind reader, I have no idea. What's relevant is that no one has accused the Republicans of having plants because apparently no "citizen" at a debate has asked the Dem candidates a question from a conservative perspective. Your point is moot.
Chris, you better watch out, or you'll have Jason complaining that, based on your statement, all Republicans are "anti-Gypsy"... Oh, and some Democrats, too (just to be safe).
I agree CNN did a poor job of vetting the questioners, but I'm still hesistant to say it was intentional without concrete proof.
All the hillary plant hype around the gay soldier has been already been debunked. He wasn't a Hillary plant. So that's one accounted for. Not sure about the other two plants.
Leon not that Im saying you are a liar but you need to link or explain the debunking. It seemed plain and obvious that they were plants and they were not as advertised "undecided voters".
Um.. Leon. What further proof do you need besides the facts that:
1. CNN Flew Kerr out form CA to FL to ask taht question.
2. Kerr is on Hillary's Campaign team per her own website.
LGBT Americans For Hillary Steering Committee Members (Committee In Formation)*:
Eldie Acheson, former U.S. Assistant Attorney General; founding
director, Public Policy and Government Affairs, National Gay and
Lesbian Task Force
Roberta Achtenberg, former Assistant Secretary, U.S. Dept. of Housing and Urban Development
Toni Atkins, San Diego, CA, City Councilmember
Dr. Christopher Barley, activist, philanthropist
Greg Berlanti, executive producer, TV series, "Brothers and Sisters"
Elizabeth Birch, former Executive Director, Human Rights Campaign
Mary Breslauer, former co-chair, Kerry-Edwards 2004 LGBT Steering Committee; communications consultant
Tonio Burgos, member, Democratic National Committee LGBT Caucus
Ilene Chaiken, creator/producer, Showtime series, "The L Word"
Rocco Claps, former LGBT Outreach Director, Democratic National Committee; Illinois LGBT activist
Bruce Cohen, Oscar-winning film producer
Roberta Conroy, member, National Leadership Council, Lambda Legal
Joan Darrah, retired U.S. Navy Captain
Q. Todd Dickinson, former Under Secretary of Commerce for
Intellectual Property and Director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office
Thomas Duane, New York State Senator
Ingrid Duran, board member, Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
Steve Elmendorf, Deputy Campaign Manager, Kerry-Edwards 2004
Shelley Freeman, business leader, Los Angeles Police Commissioner
Ethan Geto, long-time gay rights advocate
John Gile, Executive Director, Project Angel Food
Emily Giske, member, Democratic National Committee LGBT Caucus
Deborah Glick, New York Assemblymember
Steven Goldstein, Chair, Garden State Equality
Chad Griffin, CEO, Chad Griffin Consulting, Inc.
Rebecca Haag, Executive Director, AIDS Action Council; Executive Director, AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts
Yashar Hedayat, businessman
Lisa Henderson, General Manager, Olivia Cruises
Stephen Herbits, businessman
Fred Hochberg, former Deputy then Acting Administrator, U.S. Small
Business Administration; Dean of the Milano School for Management and
Urban Policy, The New School
John Isa, board of directors and Business Council member, Human Rights Campaign
Gloria Johnson, board member, National Stonewall Democrats
Christine Kehoe, California State Senator
Keith Kerr, retired Colonel., U.S. Army; retired Brigadier General, California National Reserve
Kasey Kincaid, attorney, Iowa grassroots activist
Billie Jean King, sports legend and social pioneer
Sheila James Kuehl, California State Senator
Mark Kvare, board member, National Stonewall Democrats
Neel Lattimore, Special Advisor for Strategic Communications,
Children's Defense Fund; former press secretary for the First Lady
Bruce Lehman, former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Commerce and Commissioner of Patents and Trademarks
Sue Lovell, Houston, TX, City Councilmember
Claire Lucas, chair, Democratic National Committee LGBT Leadership Council; board member, National Stonewall Democrats
Linda Gray Murphy, board member, National Stonewall Democrats
Daniel O'Donnell, New York Assemblymember
Dixon Osburn, LGBT activist on "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy
Annise Parker, Houston, TX, City Controller
Catherine Pino, board member, National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce
Julian Potter, former Special Assistant to President as Liaison to the Gay and Lesbian Community
Christine Quinn, Speaker, New York City Council
Hilary Rosen, President, OurChart.com; media industry consultant
Peter Rosenstein, DC-based LGBT community activist
Mirian Saez, member, Democratic National Committee LGBT Caucus
Greg Sargent, attorney, New Hampshire LGBT activist
Jayne Baron Sherman, co-chair, In the Life Media; former board chair, Lambda Legal
Melissa Sklarz, Director, New York Trans Rights Organization; vice chair, National Stonewall Democrats
Paul M. Smith, board member, Lambda Legal; Attorney who
successfully argued the landmark case, Lawrence v. Texas, establishing
the right to privacy for gay Americans
Jeff Soref, former chair of the Democratic National Committee LGBT Caucus; former co-chair, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
Laura Spanjian, board member, Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund; board member, Equality California
Campbell Spencer, former National LGBT Outreach Director for the Democratic National Committee and Gore-Lieberman 2000
Rick Stafford, chair, Democratic National Committee LGBT Caucus; co-chair, National Stonewall Democrats
Jill Stauffer, board of directors, Human Rights Campaign
Sally Susman, business leader
Rev. Deborah Tammearu, Episcopal Priest, Diocese of New York
Matthew Titone, New York State Assemblymember
Jeffrey Tooke, board member, National Stonewall Democrats
Olive F. Watson, activist and philanthropist
Paula Redd Zeman, vice chair, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force; vice chair, Black Democrats of Westchester
Bob Zuckerman, board member, National Stonewall Democrats
Jose Zuniga, retired U.S. Army Sergeant and former Soldier of the
Year; Executive Director, International Association of Physicians in
AIDS Care
* Members of LGBT AMERICANS FOR HILLARY have endorsed Hillary
Clinton for President in their individual capacity. The names of past
or present affiliations are included to assist in identifying the
individuals listed and do not indicate any endorsement by that group or
organization.
Sit down, Shut up.
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
CNN FLEW SOMEBODY WHO WAS DIRECTLY WORKING FOR HILLARY OUT TO A REPUBLICAN DEBATE THAT WAS ULTIMATELY A JOKE. U-tubers are nothing but 16 year olds recording themselves picking their nose. Dodge parry dodge parry
How about every single scripted Town Hall meeting thrown by Bush to promote his Social Security agenda?
In fact, Bush went one step further than simply planting fake people to ask questions or tow his line. He planted whole news stories! Ever heard of VNR's? LINK
The list goes on and on.
I didn't know Crickets sounded like cold hard facts. Weird!
Your link is unpersuasive. This is irrelevant. The story itself states that nobody was trying to pretend the stories were anything other than what they actually were. That's the difference between that situation and this one.
These plants were not "Concerned Undecided Republican Voters."
Fox Business speaks to one man with a hidden agenda and they're "done."
CNN hides the identity of Democrat operatives and finds a "Republican" voter who endorses John Edwards, and you say they're brilliant for doing that.
If a network hosted a DNC debate and got GOP hitmen to ask "gotcha" questions you'd be okay with that? Really?
And please stop with the myth the crowd booed a veteran. After asking his question via video he stood in the audience, said he wasn't satisfied with the answer, filibustered when Cooper asked him to stop, and kept on going despite them cutting his mic.
But just because someone is a veteran they can say whatever they want without getting booed.
card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
You run around her using profanity and insulting everyone that disagrees with you and your going to try to claim that I'm an embarassment?
haha.
I'm just curious, if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you even do? There's no way you have a career considering the immature way in which you conduct yourself. You wouldn't last 5 minutes in a real corporate environment. My guess is that you're either in some sort of retail (that would explain your tremendous temper and self-loathing) or you work for your parents. So which is it? Or do you even work? I'm curious as to what someone with your utter lack of self-control and self-restraint could possibly do for a career.
I have yet to comment on any of the people asking questions at last night's debate except for the gay soldier.
So your post is nothing more than an attempt by you to read my mind. You have no idea how I feel about the Edwards guy b/c I haven't commented on him.
Didn't your mother teach you about assumptions?
PS they booed before he filibustered. There was even displeased murmuring during his video question. I've watched it over and over again. He was booed b/c he was gay. Simple and plain.
As a veteran he shouldn't be able to say whatever he wants, but he should be able to be gay. This is America. This is a free country?
The intent of their booing was blatantly obvious. They didn't like the gay stuff. That was all. It had nothing to do with how long he spoke. If he was speaking for that long about how there shouldn't be gays in the military, no Republicans would have booed.
It was a function of his message, not a function of the time it took him to ask his question.
Republicans hate gays. Republicans only support troops that believe what they believe. That's fine. Just be honest about it.
You have no idea how I feel about the Edwards guy b/c I haven't commented on him.
The Edwards thing came from a woman, but I'll let that slide. That segment wasn't for the general audience - that was supposed to be a Republican focus group. How do you feel about a Democrat infiltrating to shill for Edwards?
You're going on the assumption that all those people who booed were doing so because they were Republicans and they hate gays. No one can read your mind, but you can read theirs?
Displeased mumbling during a question. In a crowded auditorium in supposedly mixed company, someone mumbles through a question and this is proof of Republican hatred for gays. That really is a stretch.
card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
You have no way to verify why those people booed, and neither do I. But I can tell you that I muted the TV while he was speechifying. My outrage wasn't because he was gay, it was because he was hijacking a Presidential Primary Debate on national television and I didn't tune in to hear some activist speak about an issue that had nothing to do with Republican base issues.
From my vantage point, he was booed because he wouldn't shut up. Period. Your phony straw man argument notwithstanding.
I see your point, but it has everything to do with Republican (and often Democrat) policies which attempt to keep homosexuals in the closet, and to make sure that those who are out remain second-class citizens.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Hey, I included Dems. But if this is stereotypical of me, which Republicans are actively speaking out against an anti-Gay Marriage amendment?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Your first mistake is assuming that Republicans consider homosexuals to be "second-class citizens".
Your second mistakes was lumping ALL Republicans in together (while trying to stay "safe" by including "some" Democrats).
Your third mistake was sounding off your tired cry of victimhood. It is an insult to women and minorities who actually WERE second-class citizens.
Your special-interest group thinks that groupism, social justice, and political-correctness will be the tools to get your supposed "grievances" heard so you can what you want. Boo-hoo for Jason.
And just because conservatives oppose changing the definition of marriage doesn't mean they want to remove rights from gays. Gays have a right to live how they want but they can't get married, just like I can't marry my sister (except in Arkansas) or marry more than one woman (even though I have been called a "glutton for punishment"). :-/
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
I'm not about to get into the gay marriage argument again; I argued with everything I had on that one a few weeks ago on the forum about Thompson saying "so be it" concerning that issue.
But it is my belief that restricting marriage rights is a method of preventing gay people from full participation in the social order; ie second-class citizens. And I will extend my condemnation to Democrats equally for pussyfooting around the issue, though I find that Republicans tend to be more active in working against it.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"But it is my belief that restricting marriage rights is a method of
preventing gay people from full participation in the social order; ie
second-class citizens."
So what about my "incest" or polygamy example? Shouldn't those people be allowed to participate in the "social order"? A little consitancy from the left would be nice for a change.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
the Plant's question was about "Don't ask don't tell" .......which was enacted in ........1993...............by ( I hope I don't have to fill in this blank for you)
It's too bad this site doesn't have some feature whereby you can all give one another virtual pats on the back, like Facebook's 'poke' feature. It would really add another dimension to the sports-fan element of political discourse.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I'll answer your comment by asking you this question:
Don't ask don't tell was a Democrat policy enacted by Bill Clinton. Shouldn't Kerr's question have been addressed to Hillary at a Dem debate? Wouldn't that be more relevant? In THIS CASE, the issue brought up had absolutely nothing to do with the Republicans.
Hillary is not Bill, but yes, Democrats should be challenged on that as well. And since changing the constitution to discredit gay marriage has been a Republican project for some time now, I stand by my statement.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Since Kerr was a Hillary plant, he could just as easily gained audience with Bill by speaking to Hillary (his wife) at the next LGBT committee meeting. So the only purpose of his appearance at the GOP debate was political posturing. End of story.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
For too long the military has been the social experiment of the government. Some have work, some have not. The problem is that when a military is distracted by the social aspects of a social issue it takes away from its ability to accomplish its job.
The policy of “Don’t ask, Don’t Tell” is a bad policy because there is no clear cut way for the command to deal with discipline surrounding a gay relationship, as in rumor or accusation.
If a soldier is gay and comes out of the closet under current policies they will be discharged. But if a rumor or a perception is there the commander has to stay away. He can not look into it. He can not ask.
I don’t care what they decide about allowing gays in the military as long as we have a clear cut policy. As long as the military can fight without a social agenda looking over its shoulder.
But I must say as a conservative this issue is way down on my list of freaking issues to worry about in this country right now.
Securing the Borders
Fight and Finish what we started in Iraq
Taxes
These are my concerns.
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps
I wasn't surprised by the plants at all and neither should anyone else. That's called running an effective campaign. That's called doing what it takes to win at all costs.
So, idiot, the MSM is running a campaign?? And you approve?? And you whine about Fox News being biased?? You are truly daft. Go back to KOS where your stupidity is welcome and celebrated.
I'm done with you and your hatred.
D
P.S. You were surprised a gay was booed and say all republicans are homophobes because of that, so using your 'logic', all democrats and liberals are racists because they booed a black (Obama) at the democrat debate. I'm sure you believe this.
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You are right,Leon. Hillary is a real shrewd B. Look how she got you to be her personal UI on News Busters. They'll get plenty of wool from you-- lamb to slaughter.
They booed the guy because he went on a rant during a debate, not because he was gay.
A deceit is only an effective campaign strategy if it isn't discovered.
Since you thought the Fox Business Channel was done for allegedly staging a Cyber Monday story with an "online shopper" who was also a marketing manager for the National Retailers Association, I can then safely conclude that you believe that the Clinton campaign is also "done" after failing to pull off a similar stunt.
You know, if you're going to be consistent.
*****
"The empty wagon makes the most noise." - Derrick Mason
I see that Leon is the Clinton (aka CNN) plant that has apparently been ordered to monitor the Newsbusters website. Poor deluded Leon seems to think that because Clinton plants questions at her campaign stops that it is ok for a major news organization to do so.
Wow. Still didn't get the desired response about the "booing the gay army guy" comment you posted earlier, so you recycle it again, hoping for a nibble? Remember, you are striving to be taken seriously here at Newsbusters, and losing your troll status, or aren't you?
Your overall statement above is amusing. You out-and-out admit that CNN is a propaganda wing for the Clinton campaign , and endorse it, celebrate it, revel in it.
Unfortunately for you, your comparisons are silly, since your obsession with Bush Town Hall Meetings (another piece of bait you have tossed into the NB pond in the past, but, alas, getting very few nibbles) and Karl Rove have nothing to do with last night since, supposedly, CNN is a NEWS network, supposedly unbiased and without an agenda, right?
So you have, in one single, beautiful post summed up the following: you are still a troll, still suffer from BDS, and fully admit to liberal media bias. Damn, Hater, that is fantastic news!
I was somewhat surprised. Not that they used democrat plants, but that they did so in a more balanced way then the democrat debate which seemed to be all about the Hillary plants. This time they got plants in from all the major democrat candidates and even one Paulbot. :)
That's CNN's version of fair-n-balanced. Hillary gets plants at the Dem debate, and all of the Democrat candidates get plants at the Rep debate. Its perfect unbiased media coverage.
Not surprised in the least at the plants or the question shopping methods. Am somewhat surprised at the clumsiness in which it was done and the subsequent denials. It has gotten to be so normal for the news media to hose up stories, cover ups, graft, corruption withing their own ranks simply because the standard answer to anything from sleeping with an intern to stealing national secrets is to issue an apology and all is well again. The favored "Mistakes were made" comment is stating the obvious but lacks any assignment of culpability and is suppose to absolve anyone even remotely involved from further scrutiny or comment. I fear our political "process" have been corrupted for a very long time, thus attracting some of the lowest scum of the earth people to make it their life's long ambition. Further, both sides have these "casts" of players on stage, looking more like a curtain call for a Broadway musical rather than a Presidential election and if there has actually been a "debate" of any kind I must have missed it. The Repubs are falling into the same kind of habits as the Dims, tearing each other apart over petty crap like who hired a Mexican to trim the hedges without checking his green card. It would be laughable if it were not so pathetic. I keep looking for a "Statesman" in the sea of faces running for the highest office in the land. The Dems crowd look and behave like they all just got off the short bus and the Repubs look like they aren't sure exactly why they are there, resembling more like a lost AARP tour than a political field of candidates. Forget looking in the arena of Independent candidates. Anything they have to say has to checked thru Area 51 first and you can't buy a tin foil hat nowhere anymore. The whole damned thing is one dog faced boy shy of a freak show.
I was not surprised at all. In reality, they can't help themselves. Liberalitus is a disease, like psoriasis. Gives them an itch they can't stop scratching, but never relieve.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin
I knew CNN wasn't a reliable or credible news source, but their lack of easy research and accountability in this really shows how bad the news channel really is.
Here
we go again. Liberal (democrats) media on the bias march… this time CNN
has just got to rig everything to follow their lefty (secular
socialist) agenda. Calling activist democrat voters (with websites,
t-shirts and bumper stickers proclaiming themselves for one of the
three main demo candidates) “concerned undecided” Republican voters.
By that measure (lie) the Republicans should find people who are
Catholics for the Fair Tax with NRA stickers and a FredHead shirt…call
them “concerned undecided” democrats… let them send in questions for
the next democrat debate. Will anything close to that ever happen?
Never. Democrats are terrified of serious questions… especially with
follow ups to their pandering socialist platitudes. I could really go
for a system where one party sends in at least half the questions for
the other’s debate. Also never to happen.
Joe Scarborough said earlier that there was no way CNN didn't know. I agree. The only questioner that was both on video and present in the audience was this 1 guy. He was the only one given the most airtime and a chance to re-butt the candidates' responses. It is impossible for them not to have known who he was and who he was working for (paid or unpaid - doesn't matter) - he's a retired general for crying out loud! What a disgrace.
"The United States remains the last best hope for a mankind plagued by tyranny and deprivation."
-- Ronald Reagan
no mention was made of the fact that he was CA National Guard - not regular Army. Let's send a negative message about the US Army, that's what CNN wants to do!!
Why didn't the candidates say "no way!" ?? If the Demos aren't going to go on FNC because they don't like the network, why couldn't our guys stand up and say "Hell no, we're not answering such ridiculous questions!"?
Maybe in 2012 we'll have the candidates square off in a water balloon fight.
I guess I am a pollyanna. I would never have thought this would happen. In this day of the internet and the vast knowledge people have at their fingertips it seems almost stupid. So therefore why try? I guess I will never learn and neither will the MSN.
"After eating you should not wipe your hand until you have either licked your fingers or given them to someone else to lick. Sahih Muslim vol.3 book 21 no.5037-5042 p.1119-1120"
I think it's still surprising in the sense that Fox gets SO much hatred and abuse because it leans right.
Fox gets ganged up on by ALL the major nets and cable shows and gets more grief from the Daily Show, etc than any other network.
Yet, CNN and MSNBC, probably because they now feel they have "every right" to be biased left, are becoming more and more blantatly left as to not even disguise it. Because they know they have the majority of viewers fooled into thinking the are fair and Fox is biased.
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I am not suprised at all.
November 29, 2007 - 13:06 ET by kdoliverI am not suprised at all. What I am suprised about is that they allowed such blatant plants.
http://thelazytriathlete.blogspot.com/
What I am surprised about
November 29, 2007 - 13:21 ET by Don DeskinsWhat I am surprised about is that CNN was so blatant about it. They didn't even try to get plants that weren't know. The blame is on CNN and no one else.
There goes whatever credibility that CNN had out the window.
Fool me once---
November 29, 2007 - 13:38 ET by general companyThere goes whatever credibility that CNN had out the window.
And that wasnt much!!
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
I commented elsewhere about
November 29, 2007 - 13:08 ET by Chris NormanI commented elsewhere about this:
I'm not sure why we should be surprised. I mean, the Press has been absolutely stacked with Democrat supporters for years now. This is just a natural extension of that...
and they ask questions everyday.
I wasn't surprised by the
November 29, 2007 - 13:07 ET by LeonI wasn't surprised by the plants at all and neither should anyone else. That's called running an effective campaign. That's called doing what it takes to win at all costs. You know, like Bush ruthlessly slandering and attack McCain in 2000. All is fair in Presidential combat.
It's so Rovian in it's deceit it's unbelievable. Is Karl working for Hillary? Pure Genius.
So I wasn't surprised about that at all. Common political practice to try to stack audiences in your favor. I mean, have you seen a Bush Town Hall meeting?
Not surprising. The only thing that surprised me was when the crowd booed a veteran b/c he was gay. That was shocking. That was a surprise.
I wasn't surprised by the
November 29, 2007 - 13:19 ET by NewsbusterbrownI wasn't surprised by the plants at all and neither should anyone else. That's called running an effective campaign. That's called doing what it takes to win at all costs.
Since the question was really about CNN and not the Democrats, then you are agreeing that CNN is their mouthpiece, correct? Obviously, if CNN really cared, they could have easily checked out these plants and removed the,, wouldn't you agree?
Rule # 5
November 29, 2007 - 14:56 ET by candanceTroll strategy #5
-When someone backs you into a corner, pretend you didn't see the post, avoid going back to that thread, and look for bites on a fresh board.
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What are the first 4? "He
November 29, 2007 - 15:00 ET by JasonCWhat are the first 4?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Candance, Again for the
November 29, 2007 - 16:48 ET by LeonCandance,
Again for the millionth time, I wasn't pretending to not see the post. I was doing what every normal American should be doing at 2:56 pm on Thursday.
WORKING.
You should try it. It's great to make your own money.
Furthermore, with regards to NewsbusterBrown's post either CNN knew and did it intentionally or they had a sloppy vetting process. I don't work for CNN so I have no idea which it is. Therefore, I can't confidently comment as to their motive.
Unlike you, I like to make sure I know what I'm talking about before speaking with an air of authority. (i.e. zionism hahaha - I still get great big belly laughs thinking of how confident you were in that post - or like the time you commented before reading about my example of libs supporting the troops! haha - you are classic).
Leon's best joke ever!!!
November 29, 2007 - 16:58 ET by vrwc13I like to make sure I know what I'm talking about before speaking with an air of authority.
bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
v
"At least I am a guy and not desperately trying to be one." Leon
V, Be careful with that
November 29, 2007 - 17:05 ET by LeonV,
Be careful with that quote. RJ doesn't like people to know that she's a girl.
the REAL Leon
November 29, 2007 - 17:08 ET by MrShy"I like to speak with an air of authority before I know what I'm talking about."
- the real Leon
"MY end justifies THAT mean." - Shakespeare (not really)
LEON, can you comment on the CNN interview, ?s, etc
November 29, 2007 - 17:01 ET by PawpawNLeon, since you were so upset over a Fox Business Channel interview the day before, can you now comment on the CNN ?s, the people they asked to do ?s, the post debate crowd, etc. I'd love to get your take on this. Will CNN survive, just like you wanted to know if Fox Business Network would? Come on and tell us all since we know, as you say, "I like to make sure I know what I'm talking about before speaking with an air of authority." So, since you were an authority yesterday on a subject, thought you'd be one on this also-seeing as you have the same type info available to you!!
Obesophobia Ass-ide.....
November 29, 2007 - 23:34 ET by Barker"I was doing what every normal American should be doing at 2:56 pm on Thursday. WORKING." - Leon
Leon, if you want to call panhandling in the middle of traffic WORKING, well.....here's a quarter.
okay
November 30, 2007 - 00:34 ET by candanceSo just because I post a lot on NB you assume I don't work? I happen to know quite a bit about working for my fair share. But whatever, you're the one with all the authority.
The Zionist thing happened a month ago and was dependent on the context.
And as far as the libs clapping for a veteran, it was proven that his mother was a known Democratic activist.
We catch you in a black-and-white double standard, but instead of admitting it, you turn it around and start making fun of people.
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Ignore Leon, C.
November 30, 2007 - 00:39 ET by BlondeHe's a troll of the worse order.
We need a better class of troll, here.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
More, "What do you do for a living?" by the narcissist dope.
November 30, 2007 - 11:27 ET by Six String SpiffStill thinking you can insult people by claiming they don't work? You went on a tiraid about POLITICS by POLITICIANS. We are talking about a supposed 'news' agency directly shilling for Hillary. Is anybody home in that head of yours? Cripes
You can't be serious.
November 29, 2007 - 13:16 ET by mattmYou can't be serious. Rovian???? This is right out of the Clinton handbook - The King and Queen of deceit. They're so good at it, in fact, that they have millions of little Leons running around actually believing the kind of bass-ackwards crap you spew on a daily basis.
Yes, the deceit was obvious
November 29, 2007 - 13:20 ET by JasonCYes, the deceit was obvious and quickly exposed, but give me a break; you people act like the Clintons invented dirty politics. I'm no big Clinton supporter, but they are not the only ones pulling stuff like this.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Yes, the deceit was obvious
November 29, 2007 - 13:26 ET by NewsbusterbrownYes, the deceit was obvious and quickly exposed, but give me a break; you people act like the Clintons invented dirty politics. I'm no big Clinton supporter, but they are not the only ones pulling stuff like this
Again, that's not the real issue, Jason. If CNN had been doing their job and really were unbiased, none of those plants would have made it into the audience.
Yes, fine, but I'm using
November 29, 2007 - 13:28 ET by JasonCYes, fine, but I'm using last night's incident merely as a springboard. The Clinton Derangement Syndrome (to invert a familiar term) is out of control around here. As much as it would support the ideology of a lot of posters here, The Clintons are not the spawn of Stalin and Eichmann. They're politicians operating in a political culture that has long abandoned notions of fair play; they do happen to be pretty darn good at it.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Darn good at it
November 29, 2007 - 13:33 ET by bigtimerDarn good at it Jason?
...so darn good at it they are digging their own graves here lately....
I love it!
Glad you agree...after all they are just politicians operating in a political culture.
CNN/Clinton
November 29, 2007 - 13:37 ET by candanceI thought the point of moderating a debate was to assure fair treatment, good questions, and honest answers.
We've gone from "Hillary didn't know" to "it wasn't a big deal anyway" to now "she is justified in doing it openly because that's politics."
And CNN is allowed to use her employees to blatantly argue with GOP candidates - and when the crowd booes shame on them for booing a veteran. But when MSNBC runs a poll that shows her losing, her campaign lies about it on national TV.
That stuff is okay because "everyone else is doing it." If it's really okay, we better not hear another word about Republicans doing.
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Ouch! JasonC
November 29, 2007 - 13:39 ET by fosstenThat's gonna leave a mark.
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
As if I haven't said so 10
November 29, 2007 - 13:45 ET by JasonCAs if I haven't said so 10 times today already, I'm not defending their behavior, I'm criticizing you guys for acting like it's so unique to the Clintons. And yes, right now you have a solid example, so enjoy. But if I seem to be employing the well-worn "everybody's doing it" argument, it's only because I think you're using the "Only the Clintons are doing it" intimation.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason what u obviously dont
November 29, 2007 - 13:49 ET by Dan The Man 2Jason what u obviously dont understand or acknowlege is this si a republican debate and CNN seemed to have let in Dem operatives as undecided voters asking "gotcha" questions. CNN is a Democrat arm, nothing less. If this had happened in the Dem debate the GOP would have been lynched.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
only the clintons ?
November 29, 2007 - 14:13 ET by tejanodiabloJason : it's only because I think you're using the "Only the Clintons are doing it"
yes, and they've had soooo much experience and are soooo good at it .. that's the real point here .. if she wasn't so much a megalomaniac maybe she would run a straight campaign .. and people would vote for her because she was the most honest and knowledgable .. but she isn't honest and she is psychopathically desperate ..
never look a gift skunk in the tail ..
JasonC I'm not defending
November 29, 2007 - 16:22 ET by general companyExcuse me, another network "planted" people and questions from Repubs? You are pretending to excuse "supposed" bad behavior with bad behavior. Nobody here is buying it, so quit with the silly patronizing.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
in the mushy liberal mind
November 29, 2007 - 16:36 ET by Ten7sYou see in the mushy liberal mind evidence is not necessary and 'two wrongs always make a right' even if there's only one wrong. If they do "it" (whatever "it" is, usually something dishonest and dishonorable and to their personal advantage), "it" is always okay b/c others do "it" too (even if others don't really do "it"). But if others do "it", "it" is always wrong and the others must be pilloried. See makes sense, right? And the MSM is unbiased too.
Perhaps the Republican
November 29, 2007 - 13:46 ET by balboaPerhaps the Republican political operatives are simply not doing their jobs well enough to get their own plants into the debates?
boa... Come on...why the
November 29, 2007 - 13:52 ET by bigtimerboa...
Come on...why the heck should anyone do that...huh?
Pathetic political tripe....also filthy desperation by the lefties.
I think Balboa is back to
November 29, 2007 - 13:57 ET by Chris NormanI think Balboa is back to his wide eyed disingenuous mode this morning, BT.
Well, admittedly that was a
November 29, 2007 - 13:58 ET by balboaWell, admittedly that was a facetious statement (sorta), but don't you think Republican campaign managers would love to have their own plants asking questions?
boa... I hope not...we
November 29, 2007 - 14:03 ET by bigtimerboa...
I hope not...we don't need any stinking plants...they leftists do well on their own if they ever get asked any tough questions that is.
....for instance Hillary stepping in it in the last five minutes with the Russert debate...when finally and I mean finally the question about illegal immigration finally got asked after numerous lefty debates which had been avoided at all costs.
I can't wait for the General Election....heheheee
Well balboa..
November 29, 2007 - 14:03 ET by MightyMouthApparantly the Republicans aren't affraid to answer tough questions. The democrats, on the other hand, are terrified of the questions they might recieve from Fox News channel. You want people in power who are affraid of Brit Hume? What a bunch of pansies!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hi Mighty... Believe it
November 29, 2007 - 14:09 ET by bigtimerHi Mighty...
Believe it or not after I posted my post above I was widhing I had posted about the leftists being scared of Fox debates....supposedly...what they really mean is they can't control the debates, it would have to be an honest debate...adn the leftists don't know how to spell honest let alone the definition.
I hope and I mean hope the General Election has the republicans demand that the debates belong on Fox or something like Russert did.
Hey bt, GMTA :-)
November 29, 2007 - 14:16 ET by MightyMouth"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
You want people in power
November 29, 2007 - 16:26 ET by general companyYou want people in power who are affraid of Brit Hume?
Brit? You got to be kidding, they are afraid of the lefty Russert
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
"...but don't you think
November 29, 2007 - 14:08 ET by Chris Norman"...but don't you think Republican campaign managers would love to have their own plants asking questions?"
Since I am not a gypsy mind reader, I have no idea. What's relevant is that no one has accused the Republicans of having plants because apparently no "citizen" at a debate has asked the Dem candidates a question from a conservative perspective. Your point is moot.
Chris, you better watch out,
November 29, 2007 - 14:18 ET by Roger the ShrubberChris, you better watch out, or you'll have Jason complaining that, based on your statement, all Republicans are "anti-Gypsy"... Oh, and some Democrats, too (just to be safe).
Damn my angry white male
November 29, 2007 - 14:37 ET by Chris NormanDamn my angry white male ways!
Hatemonger!
November 29, 2007 - 15:40 ET by Roger the ShrubberHatemonger!
You are absolutely right,
November 29, 2007 - 14:11 ET by Ruths husband BenYou are absolutely right, Jason. The Clintons are pretty darn good at abandoning any notion of fair play. That is a quality I look for in a leader!
Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin
Newsbuster, I agree CNN
November 29, 2007 - 16:50 ET by LeonNewsbuster,
I agree CNN did a poor job of vetting the questioners, but I'm still hesistant to say it was intentional without concrete proof.
All the hillary plant hype around the gay soldier has been already been debunked. He wasn't a Hillary plant. So that's one accounted for. Not sure about the other two plants.
Leon not that Im saying you
November 29, 2007 - 17:23 ET by Dan The Man 2Leon not that Im saying you are a liar but you need to link or explain the debunking. It seemed plain and obvious that they were plants and they were not as advertised "undecided voters".
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
The Gay General
November 29, 2007 - 18:27 ET by BlondeCNN certainly did a very poor job vetting the questioners.
The gay general appeared on CNN in 2003. Here's the transcript. Sorry, my rich text isn't working for some reason.
http://www.freerepub...
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Leon isn't a liar, he just doesn't do his homework.
November 30, 2007 - 11:11 ET by Six String SpiffUm.. Leon. What further proof do you need besides the facts that:
1. CNN Flew Kerr out form CA to FL to ask taht question.
2. Kerr is on Hillary's Campaign team per her own website.
LGBT Americans For Hillary Steering Committee Members (Committee In Formation)*:
director, Public Policy and Government Affairs, National Gay and
Lesbian Task Force
Intellectual Property and Director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office
Business Administration; Dean of the Milano School for Management and
Urban Policy, The New School
Children's Defense Fund; former press secretary for the First Lady
successfully argued the landmark case, Lawrence v. Texas, establishing
the right to privacy for gay Americans
Year; Executive Director, International Association of Physicians in
AIDS Care
* Members of LGBT AMERICANS FOR HILLARY have endorsed Hillary
Clinton for President in their individual capacity. The names of past
or present affiliations are included to assist in identifying the
individuals listed and do not indicate any endorsement by that group or
organization.
Sit down, Shut up.
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Spiff, We already knew
November 30, 2007 - 11:15 ET by LeonSpiff,
We already knew that. I've already commented on that. He is registered but he's not an active member.
You should do your own homework before accusing others of not during theirs. This was addressed at the top of Matthew Balan's thread yesterday.
How many dollars has he donated to the Clinton campaign?
ZERO
What is his registered voting status?
Independent
Count it.
Keep that blind fold
November 30, 2007 - 13:19 ET by Six String SpiffKeep that blind fold on....
CNN FLEW SOMEBODY WHO WAS DIRECTLY WORKING FOR HILLARY OUT TO A REPUBLICAN DEBATE THAT WAS ULTIMATELY A JOKE. U-tubers are nothing but 16 year olds recording themselves picking their nose. Dodge parry dodge parry
JasonC
November 29, 2007 - 13:25 ET by fosstenThere you go with the inevitable "everybody's doing it" defense. Sorry, this won't wash. Not this time. WE HAVE THE SMOKING GUN. You have nothing.
Please show any and all evidence that you have that demonstrates that Fox News or any Republican has willfully planted questions and/or questioners.
*crickets*
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
I was thinking the same thing
November 29, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Ten7sI was thinking the same thing, glad you said it so I didn't have to.
Fossten, Gannon.
November 29, 2007 - 16:55 ET by LeonFossten,
Gannon. Gannon. Gannon.
Armstrong Williams, remember him?
How about every single scripted Town Hall meeting thrown by Bush to promote his Social Security agenda?
In fact, Bush went one step further than simply planting fake people to ask questions or tow his line. He planted whole news stories! Ever heard of VNR's? LINK
The list goes on and on.
I didn't know Crickets sounded like cold hard facts. Weird!
Your link is
November 29, 2007 - 17:36 ET by fosstenYour link is unpersuasive. This is irrelevant. The story itself states that nobody was trying to pretend the stories were anything other than what they actually were. That's the difference between that situation and this one.
These plants were not "Concerned Undecided Republican Voters."
Dammit, where is my *OWNED* smilie?
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
here ya go...
November 29, 2007 - 17:38 ET by vrwc13) :
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Fossten, So you disagree
November 29, 2007 - 17:43 ET by LeonFossten,
So you disagree with one of my 4 examples.
Care to comment on the other 3?
Leon
November 29, 2007 - 13:19 ET by candanceFox Business speaks to one man with a hidden agenda and they're "done."
CNN hides the identity of Democrat operatives and finds a "Republican" voter who endorses John Edwards, and you say they're brilliant for doing that.
If a network hosted a DNC debate and got GOP hitmen to ask "gotcha" questions you'd be okay with that? Really?
And please stop with the myth the crowd booed a veteran. After asking his question via video he stood in the audience, said he wasn't satisfied with the answer, filibustered when Cooper asked him to stop, and kept on going despite them cutting his mic.
But just because someone is a veteran they can say whatever they want without getting booed.
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But just because someone is
November 29, 2007 - 13:22 ET by NewsbusterbrownBut just because someone is a veteran they can say whatever they want without getting booed.
I'm pretty sure that Leon would boo a veteran if he were told that he was unpatriotic.
I'm pretty sure that Leon would boo a veteran if...
November 29, 2007 - 13:44 ET by vrwc13...he were fat, humskuled, or Bible-thumper.
v
. . . or Libertarian, or
November 29, 2007 - 13:47 ET by Free Stinker. . . or Libertarian, or Conservative, or disagreeing with Leon . . .
"George W. Bush simply reminds leftists everyday what they will never be. And they hate him for it." --Tammy Bruce
or disagreeing with Leon . . .
November 29, 2007 - 13:49 ET by vrwc13...ah the ulimate blog-sin against Leon. Simple and plain.
v
"At least I am a guy and not desperately trying to be one." Leon
Now we can add retail
November 29, 2007 - 14:03 ET by vrwc13Now we can add retail workers and home-business owners...way to go Leon.
I guess if you are not a "fit", young, "hipster", corporate, public-schooled, Bible-basher, liberal you might as well just give it up.
Six String, You runNovember 28, 2007 - 09:01 ET by Leon
Six String,
You run around her using profanity and insulting everyone that disagrees with you and your going to try to claim that I'm an embarassment?
haha.
I'm just curious, if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you even do? There's no way you have a career considering the immature way in which you conduct yourself. You wouldn't last 5 minutes in a real corporate environment. My guess is that you're either in some sort of retail (that would explain your tremendous temper and self-loathing) or you work for your parents. So which is it? Or do you even work? I'm curious as to what someone with your utter lack of self-control and self-restraint could possibly do for a career.
v
Candance, I have yet to
November 29, 2007 - 16:58 ET by LeonCandance,
I have yet to comment on any of the people asking questions at last night's debate except for the gay soldier.
So your post is nothing more than an attempt by you to read my mind. You have no idea how I feel about the Edwards guy b/c I haven't commented on him.
Didn't your mother teach you about assumptions?
PS they booed before he filibustered. There was even displeased murmuring during his video question. I've watched it over and over again. He was booed b/c he was gay. Simple and plain.
As a veteran he shouldn't be able to say whatever he wants, but he should be able to be gay. This is America. This is a free country?
So your post is nothing
November 29, 2007 - 17:08 ET by vrwc13So your post is nothing more than an attempt by you to read my mind.
BUT...you, Leon, can read the minds of the audience?
This is a free country?
Yes, it is. And the audience has the right to boo the gay veteran!
v
I like to make sure I know what I'm talking about before speaking with an air of authority. Leon
V, The intent of their
November 29, 2007 - 17:14 ET by LeonV,
The intent of their booing was blatantly obvious. They didn't like the gay stuff. That was all. It had nothing to do with how long he spoke. If he was speaking for that long about how there shouldn't be gays in the military, no Republicans would have booed.
It was a function of his message, not a function of the time it took him to ask his question.
Republicans hate gays. Republicans only support troops that believe what they believe. That's fine. Just be honest about it.
We don't hate gays, just
November 29, 2007 - 17:19 ET by vrwc13We don't hate gays, just what they do. Love the sinner, hate the sin?
...and you still do not know why they booed. Unless of course you are Carnac.
v
okay
November 29, 2007 - 19:33 ET by candanceYou have no idea how I feel about the Edwards guy b/c I haven't commented on him.
The Edwards thing came from a woman, but I'll let that slide. That segment wasn't for the general audience - that was supposed to be a Republican focus group. How do you feel about a Democrat infiltrating to shill for Edwards?
You're going on the assumption that all those people who booed were doing so because they were Republicans and they hate gays. No one can read your mind, but you can read theirs?
Displeased mumbling during a question. In a crowded auditorium in supposedly mixed company, someone mumbles through a question and this is proof of Republican hatred for gays. That really is a stretch.
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Leon
November 29, 2007 - 13:20 ET by fosstenYou have no way to verify why those people booed, and neither do I. But I can tell you that I muted the TV while he was speechifying. My outrage wasn't because he was gay, it was because he was hijacking a Presidential Primary Debate on national television and I didn't tune in to hear some activist speak about an issue that had nothing to do with Republican base issues.
From my vantage point, he was booed because he wouldn't shut up. Period. Your phony straw man argument notwithstanding.
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
I see your point, but it
November 29, 2007 - 13:23 ET by JasonCI see your point, but it has everything to do with Republican (and often Democrat) policies which attempt to keep homosexuals in the closet, and to make sure that those who are out remain second-class citizens.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
How? ***** "The empty
November 29, 2007 - 13:25 ET by Hero SquadHow?
*****
"The empty wagon makes the most noise." - Derrick Mason
Wow.
November 29, 2007 - 13:28 ET by Roger the ShrubberWow.
Cow now bow? "He was, and
November 29, 2007 - 13:31 ET by JasonCCow now bow?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
As one you has poo-pooed
November 29, 2007 - 13:59 ET by Roger the ShrubberAs one who(fixed spelling error) has poo-pooed stereotypes in the past, you are painting with a mighty broad brush today.
Hey, I included Dems. But
November 29, 2007 - 14:01 ET by JasonCHey, I included Dems. But if this is stereotypical of me, which Republicans are actively speaking out against an anti-Gay Marriage amendment?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Your first mistake is
November 29, 2007 - 14:13 ET by Roger the ShrubberYour first mistake is assuming that Republicans consider homosexuals to be "second-class citizens".
Your second mistakes was lumping ALL Republicans in together (while trying to stay "safe" by including "some" Democrats).
Your third mistake was sounding off your tired cry of victimhood. It is an insult to women and minorities who actually WERE second-class citizens.
Your special-interest group thinks that groupism, social justice, and political-correctness will be the tools to get your supposed "grievances" heard so you can what you want. Boo-hoo for Jason.
Three strikes, you're out Jason.
November 29, 2007 - 14:26 ET by MightyMouthAnd just because conservatives oppose changing the definition of marriage doesn't mean they want to remove rights from gays. Gays have a right to live how they want but they can't get married, just like I can't marry my sister (except in Arkansas) or marry more than one woman (even though I have been called a "glutton for punishment"). :-/
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I'm not about to get into
November 29, 2007 - 14:28 ET by JasonCI'm not about to get into the gay marriage argument again; I argued with everything I had on that one a few weeks ago on the forum about Thompson saying "so be it" concerning that issue.
But it is my belief that restricting marriage rights is a method of preventing gay people from full participation in the social order; ie second-class citizens. And I will extend my condemnation to Democrats equally for pussyfooting around the issue, though I find that Republicans tend to be more active in working against it.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"But it is my belief that
November 29, 2007 - 14:39 ET by MightyMouth"But it is my belief that restricting marriage rights is a method of
preventing gay people from full participation in the social order; ie
second-class citizens."
So what about my "incest" or polygamy example? Shouldn't those people be allowed to participate in the "social order"? A little consitancy from the left would be nice for a change.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
the Plant's question was
November 29, 2007 - 15:31 ET by red_dragon311the Plant's question was about "Don't ask don't tell" .......which was enacted in ........1993...............by ( I hope I don't have to fill in this blank for you)
Jordan fades
November 29, 2007 - 14:27 ET by fosstenJordan fades back...swish!!! AND THAT'S THE GAME!!!
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
It's too bad this site
November 29, 2007 - 14:30 ET by JasonCIt's too bad this site doesn't have some feature whereby you can all give one another virtual pats on the back, like Facebook's 'poke' feature. It would really add another dimension to the sports-fan element of political discourse.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Yeah, I agree, a nice big
November 29, 2007 - 14:45 ET by fosstenYeah, I agree, a nice big fat *OWNED* smilie would have been more apropo for me to use in that last post.
Oh, well, you go to war with the army you have...
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
JasonC - Kerr
November 29, 2007 - 13:29 ET by fosstenI'll answer your comment by asking you this question:
Don't ask don't tell was a Democrat policy enacted by Bill Clinton. Shouldn't Kerr's question have been addressed to Hillary at a Dem debate? Wouldn't that be more relevant? In THIS CASE, the issue brought up had absolutely nothing to do with the Republicans.
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
Hillary is not Bill, but
November 29, 2007 - 13:32 ET by JasonCHillary is not Bill, but yes, Democrats should be challenged on that as well. And since changing the constitution to discredit gay marriage has been a Republican project for some time now, I stand by my statement.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Stand by this statement -
November 29, 2007 - 13:35 ET by fosstenStand by this statement - while you're at it.
Since Kerr was a Hillary plant, he could just as easily gained audience with Bill by speaking to Hillary (his wife) at the next LGBT committee meeting. So the only purpose of his appearance at the GOP debate was political posturing. End of story.
Forget 911, I dial 10MM.
I wouldn't deny that. "He
November 29, 2007 - 13:37 ET by JasonCI wouldn't deny that.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
For too long the military
November 29, 2007 - 14:14 ET by Airforce_5_OFor too long the military has been the social experiment of the government. Some have work, some have not. The problem is that when a military is distracted by the social aspects of a social issue it takes away from its ability to accomplish its job.
The policy of “Don’t ask, Don’t Tell” is a bad policy because there is no clear cut way for the command to deal with discipline surrounding a gay relationship, as in rumor or accusation.
If a soldier is gay and comes out of the closet under current policies they will be discharged. But if a rumor or a perception is there the commander has to stay away. He can not look into it. He can not ask.
I don’t care what they decide about allowing gays in the military as long as we have a clear cut policy. As long as the military can fight without a social agenda looking over its shoulder.
But I must say as a conservative this issue is way down on my list of freaking issues to worry about in this country right now.
Securing the Borders
Fight and Finish what we started in Iraq
Taxes
These are my concerns.
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
Hillary is not Bill, but
November 29, 2007 - 14:23 ET by tejanodiabloyou can betcherbooties that she is, in fact, a helluva lot more dangerous ..
never look a gift skunk in the tail ..
fossten, you are right on
November 29, 2007 - 13:35 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Lovefossten, you are right on the money.
"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps
Bull!
November 29, 2007 - 16:10 ET by Ten7sBull!
Idiot
November 29, 2007 - 13:24 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsI wasn't surprised by the plants at all and neither should anyone else. That's called running an effective campaign. That's called doing what it takes to win at all costs.
So, idiot, the MSM is running a campaign?? And you approve?? And you whine about Fox News being biased?? You are truly daft. Go back to KOS where your stupidity is welcome and celebrated.
I'm done with you and your hatred.
D
P.S. You were surprised a gay was booed and say all republicans are homophobes because of that, so using your 'logic', all democrats and liberals are racists because they booed a black (Obama) at the democrat debate. I'm sure you believe this.
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
I think he was booed by the
November 29, 2007 - 13:57 ET by general companyI think he was booed by the Dems in the audience, because he doesn't like Bills law.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
You are Right,Leon.
November 29, 2007 - 13:22 ET by iveseenitallYou are right,Leon. Hillary is a real shrewd B. Look how she got you to be her personal UI on News Busters. They'll get plenty of wool from you-- lamb to slaughter.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
They booed the
November 29, 2007 - 13:24 ET by Hero SquadThey booed the guy because he went on a rant during a debate, not because he was gay.
A deceit is only an effective campaign strategy if it isn't discovered.
Since you thought the Fox Business Channel was done for allegedly staging a Cyber Monday story with an "online shopper" who was also a marketing manager for the National Retailers Association, I can then safely conclude that you believe that the Clinton campaign is also "done" after failing to pull off a similar stunt.
You know, if you're going to be consistent.
*****
"The empty wagon makes the most noise." - Derrick Mason
I see that Leon is the
November 29, 2007 - 13:25 ET by sguild2I see that Leon is the Clinton (aka CNN) plant that has apparently been ordered to monitor the Newsbusters website. Poor deluded Leon seems to think that because Clinton plants questions at her campaign stops that it is ok for a major news organization to do so.
Wow. Still didn't get the
November 29, 2007 - 13:25 ET by Roger the ShrubberWow. Still didn't get the desired response about the "booing the gay army guy" comment you posted earlier, so you recycle it again, hoping for a nibble? Remember, you are striving to be taken seriously here at Newsbusters, and losing your troll status, or aren't you?
Your overall statement above is amusing. You out-and-out admit that CNN is a propaganda wing for the Clinton campaign , and endorse it, celebrate it, revel in it.
Unfortunately for you, your comparisons are silly, since your obsession with Bush Town Hall Meetings (another piece of bait you have tossed into the NB pond in the past, but, alas, getting very few nibbles) and Karl Rove have nothing to do with last night since, supposedly, CNN is a NEWS network, supposedly unbiased and without an agenda, right?
So you have, in one single, beautiful post summed up the following: you are still a troll, still suffer from BDS, and fully admit to liberal media bias. Damn, Hater, that is fantastic news!
Reply editor problems...
November 30, 2007 - 11:01 ET by Six String SpiffReply editor problems...
I was somewhat surprised.
November 29, 2007 - 13:20 ET by n2soonersI was somewhat surprised. Not that they used democrat plants, but that they did so in a more balanced way then the democrat debate which seemed to be all about the Hillary plants. This time they got plants in from all the major democrat candidates and even one Paulbot. :)
Was the Mars Society guy the
November 29, 2007 - 13:31 ET by Roger the ShrubberWas the Mars Society guy the Kucinich plant? What about poor Mike Gravel?
CNN's version of fair-n-balanced
November 29, 2007 - 16:15 ET by Ten7sThat's CNN's version of fair-n-balanced. Hillary gets plants at the Dem debate, and all of the Democrat candidates get plants at the Rep debate. Its perfect unbiased media coverage.
No Surprises
November 29, 2007 - 13:49 ET by doug1950Not surprised in the least at the plants or the question shopping methods. Am somewhat surprised at the clumsiness in which it was done and the subsequent denials. It has gotten to be so normal for the news media to hose up stories, cover ups, graft, corruption withing their own ranks simply because the standard answer to anything from sleeping with an intern to stealing national secrets is to issue an apology and all is well again. The favored "Mistakes were made" comment is stating the obvious but lacks any assignment of culpability and is suppose to absolve anyone even remotely involved from further scrutiny or comment. I fear our political "process" have been corrupted for a very long time, thus attracting some of the lowest scum of the earth people to make it their life's long ambition. Further, both sides have these "casts" of players on stage, looking more like a curtain call for a Broadway musical rather than a Presidential election and if there has actually been a "debate" of any kind I must have missed it. The Repubs are falling into the same kind of habits as the Dims, tearing each other apart over petty crap like who hired a Mexican to trim the hedges without checking his green card. It would be laughable if it were not so pathetic. I keep looking for a "Statesman" in the sea of faces running for the highest office in the land. The Dems crowd look and behave like they all just got off the short bus and the Repubs look like they aren't sure exactly why they are there, resembling more like a lost AARP tour than a political field of candidates. Forget looking in the arena of Independent candidates. Anything they have to say has to checked thru Area 51 first and you can't buy a tin foil hat nowhere anymore. The whole damned thing is one dog faced boy shy of a freak show.
I was not surprised at
November 29, 2007 - 13:58 ET by Ruths husband BenI was not surprised at all. In reality, they can't help themselves. Liberalitus is a disease, like psoriasis. Gives them an itch they can't stop scratching, but never relieve.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. - Ben Franklin
I knew CNN wasn't a
November 29, 2007 - 14:15 ET by LyndsiM07I knew CNN wasn't a reliable or credible news source, but their lack of easy research and accountability in this really shows how bad the news channel really is.
mindoflyndsi.blogspot.com
I have a similar question
November 29, 2007 - 16:08 ET by timotheWhy haven't the wires reported anything about Kerr or the other plants at the debate last night? Not newsworthy enough for them?
"Nothing to see here people,
November 29, 2007 - 16:17 ET by Ten7s"Nothing to see here people, move right along..."
It is exactly as I thought
November 29, 2007 - 17:11 ET by ConservativeRexIt is exactly as I thought and said it would be. No surprise.
Michelle Puts Some Water on the Plants...
November 29, 2007 - 17:17 ET by aerovelohttp://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/29/digging-out-the-cnnyoutube-plants-abortion-questioner-is-edwards-supporter/
Here is a great run down of the CNN plant-fest.
8^)
Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
CNN's...THE "CONCERNED UNDECIDED" VOTER
November 29, 2007 - 17:24 ET by reelman46CNN’S…THE “CONCERNED UNDECIDED” VOTER
Here
we go again. Liberal (democrats) media on the bias march… this time CNN
has just got to rig everything to follow their lefty (secular
socialist) agenda. Calling activist democrat voters (with websites,
t-shirts and bumper stickers proclaiming themselves for one of the
three main demo candidates) “concerned undecided” Republican voters.
By that measure (lie) the Republicans should find people who are
Catholics for the Fair Tax with NRA stickers and a FredHead shirt…call
them “concerned undecided” democrats… let them send in questions for
the next democrat debate. Will anything close to that ever happen?
Never. Democrats are terrified of serious questions… especially with
follow ups to their pandering socialist platitudes. I could really go
for a system where one party sends in at least half the questions for
the other’s debate. Also never to happen.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
Joe S. was right on...
November 29, 2007 - 17:25 ET by Southern_PrideJoe Scarborough said earlier that there was no way CNN didn't know. I agree. The only questioner that was both on video and present in the audience was this 1 guy. He was the only one given the most airtime and a chance to re-butt the candidates' responses. It is impossible for them not to have known who he was and who he was working for (paid or unpaid - doesn't matter) - he's a retired general for crying out loud! What a disgrace.
"The United States remains the last best hope for a mankind plagued by tyranny and deprivation."
-- Ronald Reagan
of course
November 29, 2007 - 20:29 ET by Cape Conservativeno mention was made of the fact that he was CA National Guard - not regular Army. Let's send a negative message about the US Army, that's what CNN wants to do!!
I blame the candidates for doing it
November 29, 2007 - 17:46 ET by TenSighWhy didn't the candidates say "no way!" ?? If the Demos aren't going to go on FNC because they don't like the network, why couldn't our guys stand up and say "Hell no, we're not answering such ridiculous questions!"?
Maybe in 2012 we'll have the candidates square off in a water balloon fight.
why not ask: "Were born
November 29, 2007 - 20:25 ET bywhy not ask: "Were you born under a rock?"
GoHunter08
Did the sun rise this
November 29, 2007 - 20:27 ET by Cape ConservativeDid the sun rise this morning? I'm not surprised at all.
I guess I am a
November 29, 2007 - 21:41 ET by Mr. PaulI guess I am a pollyanna. I would never have thought this would happen. In this day of the internet and the vast knowledge people have at their fingertips it seems almost stupid. So therefore why try? I guess I will never learn and neither will the MSN.
"After eating you should not wipe your hand until you have either licked your fingers or given them to someone else to lick. Sahih Muslim vol.3 book 21 no.5037-5042 p.1119-1120"
It's still surprising in one way
November 30, 2007 - 22:25 ET by exLibI think it's still surprising in the sense that Fox gets SO much hatred and abuse because it leans right.
Fox gets ganged up on by ALL the major nets and cable shows and gets more grief from the Daily Show, etc than any other network.
Yet, CNN and MSNBC, probably because they now feel they have "every right" to be biased left, are becoming more and more blantatly left as to not even disguise it. Because they know they have the majority of viewers fooled into thinking the are fair and Fox is biased.