Use your best judgement. I can't vote for anyone else but he makes me feel twisted in my little brain.
I did not want to foul the vote it is just that he makes it so tough to stay with him. Especially, when he smiles his stupid smile and says too bad to those of us who don't feel the way he does.
Use your best judgement. I think I will be undecided right up until I get into the booth
As bad as John McCain may be, he cannot be worse than "Slick Hilly" or "Mr. Hope & Change."
I have heard many a conservative say they will stay home on election day because of their disdain for McCain. That's their right, of course. But I cannot help but think of the many conservatives who, by staying home in 1976, handed the keys to the White House to the "Peanut Farmer."
How in the heck did McCain end up our nominee-- even if he wins he will do damage to the country that will be incredibly difficult to repair if not impossible. You give him a huge majority of Dems in Congress and he will destroy our economy with this eco-fanatism which will then be blamed on a Republican President making 2012 even worse. We are in a situation that is so depressing to true conservatives. What hope do we have to not completely lose the country to the left for the rest of this generation. Why do great societies always destroy themselves throughout history and are we watching it happen at this very moment. 4 Years of super majorities of Dems in Congress and an Obama (or even McCain) could break this countries back beyond repair and leave us living out the rest of our existence as another weak, hollow, and government controlled shadow of the America that was great. Not even another Reagan could undo that damage. Once an entire generation of wards of the state are created by the upcoming revolution of entitlements and wealth redistribution, the Democratic party will have bought off enough votes control our lives in anyway they see fit. Meanwhile gutting our ability to defend the country eventually leading us into a completely defensive posture in the war on terrorism and most likely a string of attacks on America that will change the country forever.....Some one give me a reason to believe we arent a few votes this fall from becoming another european psuedo-socialist mess with no ablility to control its own destiny on the world stage. Not to mention the loss of economic prowess forever. Im really looking for a reason for hope.....help me-
I think that every one should decide on who to vote for to make a statement. I am looking at Bob Barr..
I can not or will not vote for Democratic because they will look at it like a mandate, and I never have.
I want the RNC to notice. I want them to hurt. I want them to ram their heads into brick walls just like I want to right now.
I think they got the message when I sent them a brick everytime they asked for money, with the note: Build the fence, start with this brick, then, and only then will I send money.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
and I'd really rather have a non-Republican take credit for the next crappy 4 years - these RINO's are really starting to sully the good name of Republican
and things might actually not be too bad under Bob Barr...
alecj: European nations as we have known them, and America as we love her, are being destroyed- to be replaced by SupraNational entities en route to world government. McCain, Obama, Clinton- I see no difference between them except the speed at which they will accomplish this.
My theory: McCain had support from independents and Democrats in states with open primary systems. I really think they should do away with open primaries in all 50 states. How is it fair for a Democrat to muck up our nomination process (or for us to muck up theirs, for that matter)?
Ive heard the whines of disenfranchisement from Democrats every election since 2000 when it became part of their crusted, oddly snortable, ditto machine worn playbook. The truth is, the primary process rarely even makes it to places as important to the general election as Pennslyvania or Ohio without already being decided. How can the Republican Nominee be selected by a hand full of random states, many of which are in no way demographically similar to the rest of the country.
The fair solution is.....1 Super Tuesday--- all 50 states--- 6 months before the general. Just like the actual selection of a President-- each party should select its nominee with all states making their choice the same day. Not allowing demographic anomalies or specific issue voters from a small state to overly prop up or kill a candidate before 95% of us get to vote. Thats ridiculous and would be considered a travesty if carried over to the general election.
Sorry guys, Iowa and New Hampshire chose-- we figure thats a pretty good sample on what the rest of you want--- game over.
Where are all the "all votes must count!" loud mouths during this mess.
Is this idea completely insane or is it SO insane it makes at least some sense---
I don't know whether or not he will be worse than those two, but he will probably be just as bad. The Democrats are going to increase their majorities in both Houses of Congress and they will be "working with" a RINO President who would rather take orders from them than stand up to them. And four years from now, the Republican Party will get the blame for the failures of the Democrat Congress...all because John McCain neutered himself. May as well have Obama.
I'd like to see a lot of votes and a lot of comments about this one, folks, because I believe Rush as well as other conservative commentators will be very interested in what we think.
As a resident of his home state of Arizona, I am forced to say that he long ago ceased being our Senator.
Rather, he has become the "Senator from the Press".
Therefore, if he had not won the nomination, I would have voted for ANYONE who ran against him in his next election for Senator. Sherriff Joe Arpaio being a good candidate for McCain's defeat.
he could be governor...with his fight to arrest the illegals and her blockage of his attempts the door seems wide open for him.
Don't you just love this statement: "To the extent that the sheriff is using state money to fund sweeps that were causing trepidation in the immigrant community, that state money will no longer be available," Napolitano said.
We sure do not want "trepidation" among the illegals, do we?
it had no change for me - please make a note of that column - many of us were already 100% against McCain - couldn't be any less likely to vote for him
and "global warming/cooling/climate-change/whatever" means absolutely nothing to me...completely irrelevant - even if it's truly 100% "man-made..."
God has it all under control - and outside of our peerless US mil - the US government (especially in the hands of RINO McCain) couldn't find it's ass with both hands - let alone positively help control the climate of planet Earth...
And as a political conservative - and like all other conservatives I have ever met...pollution and the environment has already concerned me my whole life...and so practical harmony with nature, frugality, conservation, and sustainability has always been my ideal
Which is why I always recommend the Amish lifestyle to be voluntarily adopted worldwide...
btw this may not happen in my lifetime - no, really...
Conservative commentators need to stress the financial costs of any global warming regulation - whether it be cap and trade or carbon taxes. People need to know that if this regulation goes through their energy costs are going to skyrocket. They also need to make clear the debate has nothing to do with pollution. These two points are why most of the fence sitters are not involved - they are confused and think any of this has to do with pollution regulation or do not realize it will cost them ALOT of money. They need to know that air pollution is already regulated and this regulation will NOT increase air quality or reduce REAL pollution.
$ - Electricity prices could jump 65% by 2015 $ - Gasoline prices could jump 37% by 2020
"CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving – I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality."
- Richard S. Lindzen Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology MIT
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a natural part of Earth's Atmosphere (NASA) - Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels in the atmosphere have risen from 280 to 380 ppm over the past 100 years (IPCC) - Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not toxic until 5% (50,000ppm) concentration (Source) - Any detrimental effects of Carbon Dioxide (CO2) including chronic exposure to 3% (30,000ppm) are reversible (Source) - OSHA, NIOSH, and ACGIH occupational exposure standards are 0.5% (5,000 ppm) Carbon Dioxide (CO2) (Source)
The Kyoto Protocol is a treaty to regulate 'Greenhouse Gases' only:
- Carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Methane (CH4)
- Nitrous oxide (N2O) (Laughing Gas, Nitrous, NOS)
- Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
- Perfluorocarbons (PFCs)
- Sulphur hexafluoride (SF6)
I (and my family) fall on the side of holding our collective noses and voting for McCain. We live in Arizona and are thrilled at the possiblity of sending him to Washington.
I see a vote for Bob Barr as a vote for bho and I could not stomach supporting him. I find bho and his wife beneath contempt.
I am so disgusted today with the majority of the repub's and the big-wigs anymore I have about had it...after the leftist global warming speech by McCain and now the Polar bear being put on the threatened species list today by the repub administration...I wash my hands of them...we really need a new party...and the real conservatives need to start it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Yeah, bigtimer. I remember falling into the trap of voting for that creep in the Recall Election. I so desperately wanted to get rid of Gray Davis, and I figured the only way to get Davis recalled and to prevent Cruz Bustamante from replacing him would be to vote for Schwarzenegger. He made all the right noises at the time. I had arguments with my father who wouldn't vote for Schwarzenegger under any circumstances (it's all about the abortion issue with him). He was going to vote for the Recall and for Tom McClintock...a State Senator with a great fiscally conservative mind (McClintock is now termed out but running for Congress this year). In retrospect, I wish I had done the same...not that it would have mattered. Of course, I'm having the same arguments with my dad now. He's all for McCain...but I'm right this time. I detest Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's a lazy, arrogant, phony sack of crap who's been neutered by the goons in the Public Employee Unions. The fact that his biggest allies are criminals: Villaraigiosa, lame duck Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez and lame duck State Senator Don Perata tells you all you need to know about that steaming pile. At this point, I'd sooner see Barbara Boxer get re-elected in 2010 than to see the Windbaginator knock her off her ill-gotten perch.
Yeah fitz...being from Calif. having property there still and most of my family still living here...I paid close attention to that race...he talked a good game..and that is all it was... a game...in the tradition of the Kennedy family and other RINO's...I too wanted McClintock to prevail..but seeing maybe, just maybe he was a semi good candidate and was going to do something about illegal immigration in Ca. and the drivers license BS, go against the unions and on and on, maybe if people got him in Ca. had a chance...well he lied too.
It was and has been all disgusting...and his global warming crap is a bunch of BS too...by the way if he gets anymore face-lifts or botox he is going to be a real monster for the screens...can't help adding that in...he is looking awful.
I'm sorry I an running on...I am just in a foul mood with these people with 'R's behind their names that aren't.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
No surprise there, so it doesn't alter the fact that I will vote against Obama in the general election. Yes, I deliberately worded it that way because I wouldn't characterize my vote as a vote for McCain in a positive sense.
I will never vote for a Democrat, but.. I will not vote for Mc Cain.
Well, here is my logic:
I know that there are some holes in it but I believe we have to look for the future. Mc Cain shows every day that he does not worry about our votes. He believes in: “where else can they go” theory. So he concentrates on the left and middle.
I have a different idea, if Mc Cain gets in, he is the head of the party, he will want to push his agenda, the Republicans in the House and Senate will be forced to go along, (look at the last immigration bill) so any left leaning bills will never be stopped. Who is there to do it? The Republicans? They will follow Mc Cain’s lead. The Democrats? Never.
If we are the party out of power we will fight to stop legislation put up by Obama or Billary.
The problem with this is a few things, one the war. That is one spot that Mc Cain is strong on. The other is judges, that is yet to be seen. He said that he did not like Roberts as a choice.
One important point, if we cannot filibuster then all is lost. Other then those few things I don’t see much difference.
There are dark times ahead. Sad, hard times, but somehow we have to get to the other end.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
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Hi Noel, you're right. we should all chime in...even those who haven't written in anything for a while. John McCain is trying very hard to lose my vote. I disagree with his policies on accessing our resources (ANWR), on Anthropogenic GoreBull Warning, and on a number of issues. I'm a fiscal conservative who would only vote for him if he ran a Rob Portman as his VP
...either we get our heads together about this war, or our enemies will surely separate them for us...
Well, you people all know where I am on AGW, and his speech yesterday really angered me. REALLY angered me. Who needs Democrats with Republicans like this?
However, I'm not a one-issue voter. He's still better than Obama...but the margin of difference is decreasing! :-) ns
McCain has my vote. Period! That's not going to change. Voting these days is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils. And, the lesser of these evils is McCain. Period. That's not going to change.
However, with speeches like this one, I may need additional fingers holding my nose as I enter the polling booth!!!!! ns
There have been a few times when you came close to scolding me for the stand I was taking against McCain. But have no fear, I hold no grudge against you for it. In fact, I'm glad that some of the shine has worn off and more people are getting to see what kind of candidate we have representing the GOP.
I'm going to try and answer my own question so I hope I understood your 'stop it' request. Most of the regulars here know how I feel and how I'm going to vote. I also know how most of the regulars feel and how they are going to vote. With this in mind, why would you expect anything less of me than to stick to what I believe in?
You are making me feel as if I'm doing some sort of dis-service to this site by voicing my opinion. I in no way am trying to undermine anyone, or anything that has anything remotely related to do with this site.
This medium is failing us if you think I'm upset with you. Your opinion isn't upsetting me. And you're not doing a disservice to this site by voicing your opinion. Not at all.
I think people here have been misinterpreting my position concerning McCain for months. I understand how all that are opposed to McCain feel. I'm not in love with this candidate. I just can't see sitting the election out and letting a socialist win.
In the end, that's the deal: you can vote for McCain, or America is heading further towards socialism. ns
"In the end, that's the deal: you can vote for McCain, or America is heading further towards socialism. ns"
This is where we part ways. I see a vote for McCain and/or Obama as pretty much the same thing. With McCain we slide towards socialism just a wee bit slower.
Okay, so let's assume you're right, and it's just a wee bit slower. Mightn't that wee bit impact your taxes? Mightn't that wee bit impact SCOTUS, which, BTW, could impact things for decades? Mightn't that wee bit impact the military? And, mightn't that wee bit impact the war on terrorism?
Hmmm. Seems to me that wee bit might be a wee bit better?
Well, if Herbert Hoover was alive, how might HE answer that question?
Let's examine this, shall we?
In 2006, after 26 years of the nation moving to the right, and 14 years of Republican control of Congress, the nation made a HUGE left turn giving both legislative chambers back to the Democrats -- VERY LIBERAL Democrats, mind you!
Now, if a VERY LIBERAL Democrat wins the White House in 2008, might that mean the 2006 shift was the beginning of a LONG national move leftward?
Maybe? Possibly? Isn't that what history has shown us?
Now, by comparison, if a Republican -- albeit a moderate Republican -- wins the White House in 2008, might this slow the tide of socialism -- much like what FDR ushered in almost 76 years ago! -- enough to give the right a shot in 2010 and 2012?
Let's understand that these trends have a tendency to be long-lasting once they get going. HOWEVER, much as what happened when Clinton won in '92, one election doth not a trend make, as two years later, the Pubs took over both chambers of Congress thereby extending the conservative revolution that began in 1980!!!
However TWO CONSECUTIVE "realigning" elections can be irreversible.
I'm still trying to figure out what you wrote so bear with me. Do you agree that the GOP has been leaning more to the left in recent years? If you do, do you think a McCain presidency would set a tone for what the GOP will look like in the future? And finally, do you see this as a positive?
Whoops, almost forgot.... why do you call McCain a "moderate"?
Do you agree that the GOP has been leaning more to the left in recent years?
Sadly, yes.
If you do, do you think a McCain presidency would set a tone for what the GOP will look like in the future?
Hopefully not.
And finally, do you see this as a positive?
Tough to tell at the moment.
As I mentioned to Chris I believe, McCain right now is likely making a wise political maneuver. The two Dem candidates are fighting for the left, and, therefore, have abandoned the middle. The majority of voters right now are in that middle. So, since Hillary and Obama have completely ignored this segment, McCain has wisely gone for it.
Does this help us conservatives at this moment? No. But, it prevents two consecutive elections of liberal victories. That DOES help us, for historically, two consecutive such elections represent a realignment that could last for decades.
Once again, just ask Herbert Hoover!
You have to understand that because of all the history I've studied, I see things from a macro level. If after taking back the Congress in 2006 the Dems take the White House in 2008 while expanding majorities in both chambers, this will signal the end of the conservative revolution Reagan began, and we could have DECADES of liberal Democrat dominance. DECADES!!!
This is what history has shown us -- OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
The folks on the right that are hoping a Dem victory in 2008 will mobilize conservatives in 2010 are FIGHTING against multiple historical precedents concerning this very issue.
I'm sorry, but as someone nearing retirement with one kid in college and another about to be, I'm not willing to make such a bet.
Please understand that I'm also someone that bets WITH the odds, and whilst at Vegas or Tahoe, understands such things. As such, the odds of us LOSING the White House in 2008 and taking back Congress in 2010 and the White House in 2012 are VERY long. VERY.
By contrast, history shows that if we win the White House this year -- even with a moderate candidate -- we are MUCH MORE LIKELY to win back the Congress in 2010, and hold the White House in 2012.
History is so 'in the past'. <---My attempt at humor. Sorry, I just can't make the same connection you are regarding past history. This is something that is a modern day FUBAR.
You wrote : "McCain right now is likely making a wise political maneuver."
If by going AGW is a wise political maneuver, then why is he doing it with so much conviction and passion? He sure sounds as if he is sold on the idea and wants us to be sold on it too. Bottom line for me... I DO NOT TRUST HIM.
Though I won't. I can see the reason for sitting out the election. If we elect a non conservative republican and he makes a lot of bad decissions. In 2012 people will go the other way. And we'll see a democRAT.
If we let them elect an Obama. I suspect people will move to a conservative congress and again after Obama messes everything up...
We're in this because of Clinton/Gore and do nothing republicans. Clinton/Gore gave power to the people pushing this bull. And I voted for Bush to throw the rascals out. And he didn't clean house. It's my biggest disappointment in W.
It's a tough choice. Vote for a republican I disagree with on so much. Or not vote and face even worse.
Arsenic or cyanid?
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
I'm not an American citizen but if you want my unsolicited advice I would hold my nose and vote for McCain. Look at Obama on health care or Iraq. Ridiculously scary. Trust me, as a Canadian you don't want to go down that universal health care road. Even though McCain is an idiot on AGW, at least he's on record for not signing any binding international agreements that don't include China or India whereas Obama has said he might offer a cabinet post to Al "the jolly green giant" Gore. I'm a fiscal consevative too. A 3 out of ten is 3x better than a 1 out of ten.
People, come on! What is it going to take for you to wake up??? McCain is a Democrat! A liberal! The only quasi-conservative thing that he does is support the war in Iraq. And even so, many conservatives are getting tired of losing our soldier protecting those backward ass people who revel in killing their daughters in "honor killings."
By voting for McPain, you are telling the Republican Party (read Wussypants Party) that it is acceptable for them to move further and further from traditional conservative values! To hell with the Republican party. I am looking for conservative leaders. If it takes a 4 year stint with Balack Osama (the new Carter) to wake this country up, so be it! But do not fool yourself into thinking that McPain is ever going to be conservative. Wake up!!
Obama would last 4 years because he is the new Carter. He would screw up things to where even the mindless voters that will vote for him would realize that we need real leadership...from a conservative. Just like in '80 when Ronbo wiped out Carter. Carter basically ran on the same platform that Osama is espousing now.
Who that is? Hard to say. Of the recent candidates, I say Romney came closest in his rhetoric. He certainly has the next 4 years to strengthen his conservative credentials.
You have a lot more certainty than I do. What if Obama is like Clinton instead of Carter? What if the aftermath in 2016 is like the 2000 election with a few votes shifting to the Democrats? You're gambling the country on a hunch that's relies on a best case scenario.
By the way, Romney wasn't much of a principled conservative, as he shifted many views to run as one. He didn't prevail over McCain in the primaries, in 2012 he'll be a retread. You've got to come up with someone better than that.
The only way that Obama would win a second term is if the Republicans (Wussypants) party ran another Bob Dole or McPain.
I think Romney learned his lesson but I imagine you can't be elected in Mass running as a conservative. He only lost to McPain because of the Hucksterbee evangelical anti-Mormon vote. If Democrats weren't allowed to cross over and vote in the primaries, we'd be looking at a different story. I'm not 100% sold on Romney either but at least he's a success and not a lifelong politician.
Nothing like a bunch of liberals to create quality conservatives. We're in a lull but we'll be back!
By voting for McPain, you are telling the Republican Party (read Wussypants Party) that it is acceptable for them to move further and further from traditional conservative values!
And letting Obama or Hillery win sends what for the message? Just how do you think our party got so wussyfied? I will tell you how, we let them make the rules of discussion via the MSM. This is what has bought us together BTW
Even though, I do think that the liberals do deserve some of what they preach, I for one am getting a little tired of protecting them from themselves.But, I will be voting for McCain because I have loved ones all over the Country and world.
Also, the Repubs became wussified by political correctness. All the left has to say is "racist" and the republicans run for cover! Look how the libs pushed around Bill Frist! What a complete wimp. Bush has moved ever to the middle and really never was conservative outside of tax cuts. And now we're stuck with McCain (gang of 14, Amnesty, McCain/Feingold).
I am not sure what to do about the state of the GOP, but unless we start voting in more conservative reps everywhere the GOP will continue down the current path. In my opinion 06 hurt us more then any other single item. Our voices in the media and or reps have to start defending their policies better and calling the liars, well liars. Until then it probably will not change much.
All that being said, maybe it will take 4or8 years of a liberal like Obama to wake up enough folks. Unfortunately giving him the House and Senate will make it very difficult for us to reverse the policies that I think he is wanting to pass. Once we start down the path of Socialism it will be painful to reverse, witch will become a necessity.
Bottom line is the liberals are insane, McCain isn't, just a politician
Better get used to it, as, come next January, you will be hearing this term repeated ad nauseam.
Between this idiotic speech and McCain's inexplicable (not to mention insane) decision to appear before La Raza, I'd say his chances now are somewhere between non-existent and no way in hell.
And do I even have to bring up his reluctance to really go after Obama?
Why should we bother addressing him that way? The media just calls our current president "Bush" (when they're feeling generous), so surely there's no problem with just calling the dip "Obama". </sarc>
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I beg to differ, because we're going to wipe the floor with this guy.
I said months ago when Hillary was the inevitable candidate that people would hate her once they got to know her. The same is true for Obama. He's easy meat, and we're going to take him apart.
And, the real beauty here is that the Clintonistas are going to help us so that she can run again in 2012!!! ns
I think he's realizing that Obama and Hillary have been battling for the left, and that this has left the middle WIDE open, which, let's face it, is his battlefield.
Let's get real here, for a second: John McCain is a moderate Republican. This isn't a conservative. OK. No surprises. I'm not telling you anything you don't know!
BUT, the Dems have made a HUGE turn to the left the past two elections. HUGE. They have NOTHING to say to moderate voters, let alone conservatives, right?
It therefore makes sense for him to go after this VAST middleground that the Dems have ignored. No matter how much it offends us -- and, yes, it offends me, too!!! -- it's GOOD politics. ns
That makes sense and unlike some conservatives, I'm willing to stomach a moderate Republican over Obama - hey, I had practice living through Nixon and Ford (albeit while kind of young) - not to mention both Bushes. I just hope he won't be a push-over in the election.
Noel, Obama and Hillary are courting the unwashed left now....but once one becomes the nominee, they will come off at least as (if not more so) conservative than McCain. The left will always vote for Obama but conservatives (or a lot of us) won't vote for McCain.
I agree with Noel, I think that half of the Clinton/Obama dems are going to vote for him, and weather you like it or not, he did get the most votes in our primaries as well. So I am thinking he will win in a landslide.
You say this is good politics..this is the second time I have seen you post as such...the time before you said good strategy...good for who Noel? Him? We shall see...he sure isn't getting any money or support.
Great strategy so far....he and his big-wigs are in some deep shite...yeah he is a genius, real rocket scientist at work...go for the left...that'll fix us conservatives...he and the geniuses at work behind the scenes are counting on people having no choice but him...well he is wrong when it comes to people like me and my husband...and I hardly think we are alone out here.
He has been a RINO in the Senate with a bad temper forever..and he has done numerous things that have hurt this country...oh but he's such a maverick doncha' ya know...the msm loves him, the leftists love him, guess that's all that matters, we sacrifice our principles to win at all costs...
Not me.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
If that's the case, Noel...and frankly, I don't think it is...McCain is being too clever by half. It's all well and good to pander to "the middle" because Clinton and Obama temporarily abandoned "the middle" for the left. But be certain of one thing...the Democrat nominee is going to be able to go back to the middle for the general election. McCain has stabbed conservatives in the back, and he's too ignorant and stubborn to apologize. When the nominations are in, he's going to be stranded. As it stands right now, I couldn't care less if Obama beats McCain. I am so sick and tired of getting lectures from McCain, Kristol, Barnes, Brooks et. al. about how we need to get behind McCain because we have no other choice. Sorry, I won't vote for this guy.
You are right about McCains run to the middle, I am worried that his pandering will leave too many Repubs at home. Unfortunatly, we do need to turn the House and Senate around if either of these folks win the election. My fear is Obama with a Dem controled DC. I dont like McCain, but leaving the children home alone is far worse imo.
Problem is, "we" aren't running against Barry-O. McCain is.
He is delusional in that he really believes the MSM actually likes him. He could not be more wrong!
They are going to throw everything they have at the man. He is going to be so busy deflecting that stuff that he isn't going to have time to deal with Obama.
McCain's a$$ is going to be grass, and Obama, along with 95% of the MSM, is going to be the lawn mower, the weed-eater and the blower.
He is going to be mowed bald by the time November rolls around.
I hope you're right, but I'm not as sure as you are. I hope that once people get a good look at Obama, they will see him for who he really is. I do worry, though, that the MSM will continue to do everything in their power to keep Americans fromlearning the truth about him.
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But it won't be that he wins. It's that the democRATS lose. Lots of people won't vote for him rather than vote against Obama or Clinton if she steals it.
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I can't decide if I'll vote for him because at least he's not a complete left-winger or not vote at all and let the left get what it wants without us getting the blame when they do. With McCain you get the left winger plus the blame. Either way, right now I’m saving my money in order to help survive either one.
Well duh...we really have no choice, as of right now, since BO is totally unacceptable. BUT, the more McCain decides to PO people like me, then that is when I'll just decide to stay at home.
I've emailed the RNC and suggested that they could save $ by sending the $ begging letters direct to Al Gore instead of me. So, yeah, I'll probably vote for Mc but the RNC will get zero $ from me until McCain at least creates the illusion of liking people like me.
Now I'm squarely not voting for McCain. It's bad enough I have to live in this brain-dead liberal corner of the state .. now I have to suffer through McPain actually <i>complimenting</i> Oregon's do-nothing Governor?!?
to vote for McCain, it seems that lately everytime he opens his mouth, he says something that reminds me why I was not an early supporter of his. I was first eligible to vote in 1980, and I have never been this unenthusiastic about the Republicanpresidential candidate.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Would the folks saying they definitely won't vote for McCain as a result of this speech leave some comments as to why? Given my interest in AGW, I'm fascinated. ns
Noel answered a PM from me with the message that his battery was dying. He asked me to relay that to everyone here. I swear my messages don't burn out out batteries.
I sometimes start to think McCain might be tolerable when issues of such as Supreme Court justice nominations or the GWOT are discussed.
Then he makes a complete ass of himself with things like the manmade global warming issue. I then realize if he falls for global warming nonsense, he probably can be suckered on the SC or GWOT too.
Folks, you're preaching to the choir. McCain doesn't give a Rat's behind what you think because he knows that when it comes down to it, you won't vote for BO.
Our only choice is to make his wife pay for it. Write RNC.org and tell them zero $ until McCain makes some illusion to being a conservative. Enough whining here.
I chose less likely, though I will still be voting for McCain as of today. I'm not young enough to let juvenile excuses sway my vote, nor am I enough of a gambler to vote for certain disaster when another option is available in the hopes that a Conservative candidate will magically appear in 2012. And I'm not stupid enough to vote to have both arms removed when I could have voted to have only one removed.
Make no mistake about it though, McCain makes it harder and harder everyday, and with 6 months to go, he has plenty of time to alienate me completely.
Whether you or I vote for McCain won't make that much of a difference. I am still convinced that McCain will win in November. He will have to go up against Obama in the general election because Hillary will be burned at the stake if she pulls off stealing the nomination out from under Obama. There are huge numbers of Democrats that will never vote for a black man so I fully expect them to vote for the old white guy. It will be the racism in the Democrat party that puts McCain in the WH.
I was having second thoughts about my prediction when it was announced that Bob Barr would run as a Libertarian, but now that I have done a little more research I still feel comfortable with my prediction. McCain will win and we will have a Democrat in the White House.
I can see it now, in 2010, when President Obama has a joint press conference with Hugo Chavez and calls him "my friend", meanwhile, our taxes have been raised to cover the new nationalized health insurance passed by the Senate on a 76 - 24 vote, Alan Dershowitz has been just confirmed to the Supreme Court, and the Fairness Doctrine has been reinstated after being passed and signed into law. Now, all the people here who said that McCain and Obama are essentially the same and are waiting for a "real conservative" to emerge will post here that, "The plan for 2012 is all coming together...".
CT, Because, as much as I don't like McCain, I don't quite grasp the reasons behind the visceral - almost absolute hatred - of him. It seems like a lot of people are in a contest of one-upsmanship to see who can hurl the worst invectives at him. I reserve my special hostility for Barak Obama. If McCain damages the country, it will be only damage. I'm afraid, and I do believe this, that Obama has the potential to destroy the country.
So this is personal? Look, McCain owes nothing to conservatives because we didn't vote for him (and he knows it) - so I'm not too awfully surprised he's not exactly trying to satisfy our demands. I'm not looking to him for strong conservative initiatives - just to keep Vladimir Obama out of the White House - in the absence of anyone else. I'll ask again, just which Conservative is waiting in the wings to rescue the GOP and lead it to victory in 2012?
Conversely, we conservatives owe nothing to McCain.
As for a Conservative waiting in the wings to rescue the party in 2012...who knows, maybe the RNC can pluck some upwardly-mobile nobody state legislator to make an empty, platitude-riddled hope and change speech at the convention. That worked for somebody before, didn't it?
There are quite a few out there that could easily take his place and win a general election by sticking to conservative values. We even had a few that ran against him and lost. They lost because of the way the primaries were set up. Conservatives did not elect McCain, it was Independents, and Democrats that were allowed to crossover that voted for him.
We also have a few as a new crop coming aboard for the 2012 election, Bobby Jindl for one.
You can defend McCain all you want, and you can even vote for him. I would never tell you to do otherwise. All that I would ask is... to have the same response to those of us that will NOT vote for him.
Can you imagine millions of voters showing up at the polls in November with red white & blue clothes-pins attached to their noses? Each one ready and "willing" to vote for McCain!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
For me, McCain's talk of Global Warming is pehaps the same as when the other day I heard obama relaying his concerns for the military and ending the speech with a rousing "God Bless America". Both obama and McCain are going to get their nominations and so are trying to appeal to the others swing voters.
A lot of the conservatives problems are because Conservative Republicans aquired real power in 94 and then morphed into New Deal Republicans. So for at least 10 years we have actually had two versions of liberalism, the dems-fast liberalism and the Republicans-slow liberalism.
That I have to agree with Ann Coulter about this guy, he just doesn’t get it. Whether he took one too many shots to the head as a POW or what, he just can't help going out of his way to stick his finger in the eye of the conservative base of the party. Her just thinks that given what an unmitigated disaster B.O. Plenty would be we have no other choice but to vote for his sorry ass. I'm just not convinced that he would be any better. I hate to say it about anyone, but could the party be saved by a massive coronary between now and the convention?
"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."
I have not heard this speech, but I decided a long time ago
I would not vote for McAmnesty. I see too many Mexican flags on US soil to support anyone supporting Amnesty. Plus the 47 or so Mexican Consulates handing out Matricular Consular cards - and a US federal government that approves them for banking, confirms to me there is a concerted effort to colonize the US with dual US/Mexican citizens en route to the NAU. ( I am not a 911 Truther, but I see that the European elite are using the Muslims in Europe to break the last of the Western Nationlism by demographic shifting en route to a EU/Mediterranean Suprastate)
Treaties like LOST make me even more convinced that Western Nations are under attack from within. Things like the Kyoto treaty are only one branch of that attatck.
McCain was annointed by the lib press to be the Republican nominee. There are 100 US Senators and for years before the official race begins McCain got disproportionate, regular, free, favorable press coverage.
I will be looking at the Libertarians or the Constitutionalist.
I said my vote wouldn't change, and it won't. I just have to hold my nose a little tighter to vote for McCain. As disappointed as I am about his latest voyage into liberal lala land, he's still better than Obama or Hillary and I just don't feel we can take a chance on them getting in. It's all about judges, judges, judges. Hey, if we get lucky, maybe the judges will say cap and trade is unconstitutional. LOL
how McCain will justify nominating "moderate" justices. He will flatly state that conservative justices won't be confirmed. He will "compromise". He is a senator, after all. And a RINO.
Honestly, gc, I don't think McCain's picks will be any better or worse than Obama's. I see Obama getting the likes of Breyer and Ginsberg through. I see McCain getting the likes of Stevens and Souter through. A distinction without a difference...
You've got that right about the Judges...even if they were moderate picks,
Come on, this does'nt fly. So are you suggesting that Obama's or Clintons (oh yea, not giving up on the old bird just yet) would be better? I for one would rather have McCain middle of the road picks, then the loony tunes we should ALL expect from the left. Also if you agree (and I think you do) what benefit could this possibly be to our Country?
Hate to differ gp...but I was using the term loosely when I said moderate when it comes to who I think McCain would really pick...just didn't want to rock the boat anymore than it is being rocked..thanks to the likes of the geniuses behind the scenes that have run this party into the ground for years now, and I especially include the likes of Kemp, Newt, Rove, and of course McCain.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
While I understand yours and many others concerns. I just simply refuse to just hand the left/kids the keys to the Vette. Sure McCain aint much, but whats the choice. If we all stay home, they will have the Vette and wreck in for sure. I am still going to vote and try to send DC sane individuals to represent me. I doubt I could give up even if I wanted to.
I sure hope so, but I have a feeling folks are going to stay home in "protest" as if that will help anything. I seriously fear for our Repub reps in Nov, I am glade we had our vote to replace Jindel a couple of weeks ago, yes we are sending a Repub, but he barley won and our neighbors are sending a idiot of a Dem (in a conservative parish) I should add
What will prevent the GOP from sending up an even farther left candidate say four, or even eight years hence?
As long as the Democrats continue their move to the left, nothing. However, if the Democrats get smart, and start moving to the right, then the Pubs will have to move to the right as well or we'll all become Democrats. It's happened before.
Frankly, I think that's the mistake the Dems made in 2002 when they shifted left and backed Pelosi as minority leader instead of Harold Ford. If they had shifted right at that time as the nation was heading to war, they would have been in a much stronger position than they are now.
Let's understand that both parties have been shifting left since the 2000 elections. Why? I don't know. But, as long as they both do, our only choice is to stick with the most right-leaning.
If we conservatives fail to act decisively now, then when?
The question depends on what you believe is decisive action. If you think sitting out the election, ceding power to the left, and hoping that will help you two and four years from now is decisive action, I don't, and neither does history. As I just wrote to CT, history shows us that if one party loses two consecutive elections after many years of control, this normally signifies a political sea change that can last decades.
I'll vote for McCain no matter what over Obama. It's still a huge difference. I don't think he stands a chance and I think Obama will win decisively, but my conscience will be clear.
No vote and third party votes are votes for Obama.
Let's understand that both parties have been shifting left since the 2000 elections
Unfortunately, the sad reality is that even status quo government will mean we are taking a left turn (left being defined as government spending outstripping GDP). With the first wave of boomers now retiring, entitlement spending is going to gaurantee us double digit increases in spending even with no new programs. Just points out how critical it is to stop someone like Obama now. Obama would be worse than Carter or LBJ. I think the whole tone of this thread will be different post Denver. After 2 months of listening to him and his scary angry wife, I think the majority of republicans will come home to McCain, albeit with some reservations.
Many conservatives are seriously miffed at the behavior of the Republican Party in the years since 1994. They told us they were going to do certain things, then began to backtrack almost immediately.
During the George W. Bush presidency, the party of "fiscal restraint" and "smaller government" presided over what was quite literally the doubling in the size and scope of said government. They cannot blame this insanity on the democrats, as they were in control of both houses of congress, as well as the White house, when this heresy occurred.
It sometimes appears to me that the republicans, in the space of seven years, managed to make up for the growth of government the dems were seeking, but were prevented from realizing, during the Reagan years.
This was decidedly bad behavior on their part, and utterly contrary to the principals the party supposedly embraced almost twenty-eight years ago.
Many of us feel that voting for their latest offering, who is viewed as being well to the left of even our current centrist-left president, will serve to only reward, and thus reinforce, said bad behavior, thus breeding more of it in the future.
At some point, this hideous cycle of bad behavior has to be broken if we are to survive as a nation, as the entitlement train-wreck is fast approaching.
What we need now is to identify Conservatives in the Senate and the House that wont be affraid to oppose McCain from the gitgo. Other than the war in Iraq there is very little I feel comfortable about with McCain and I will not trust him or his judgement for a second.
I mentally detached myself from this election months ago and am not surprised by McCain in any way. Honestly, I'm surprised that people on NB are actually surprised by McCain's speech. He's been on the "go green" bandwagon for a while now so his speech was pretty much old news.
If nothing else come of this I would like to hope that the primaries change.
Make them all on one day, have the person that wins the most get the Pres. nod, the person with the second most get the VP.
Why is it that the parties get to pick the VP and not us.
I want Republicans only in our primaries. Not what we had this year in New Hampshire. (even though operation Chaos is sweet revenge).
Noel,
I agree its somewhat smart politics, but I want more then that.
I have said for years: Patriot- first
Conservative-second
Republican- third
Someone, a few years ago won 49 states based on conservative ideas.
Are we to become the Clintons, with their triangulation?
I do understand the chess match ideas but I don’t believe the RNC understands the rage that is going on in the base.
My wife looks at me like I have lost my mind when I tape bricks to the fund raising letters they send to me. ( I haven’t got one in awhile), maybe they got the hint..
When they tell us: shut up, we will do what we want with the fence. If you don’t like it T/S.
We will put border patrol in jail at the drop of a hat.
Or Bush taking the sides of a murder from Mexico that murdered two girls in Texas
After we lost in 2006, you might think..hey we have to do something different. Did we?? Not only no, but hell no. Same spending, same big government, still no fence, (we can fund one in Egypt but cant seem to get it done here). Same earmarks, same leadership in the RNC.
The DNC runs conservative people against us and win.
I wrote letters to the RNC telling them to run adds promoting conservative ideas, long before the election. With out party labels, ideas of R.R. Strong defense, small government, low taxes, self reliance, no nanny state. How our country was founded on these great ideas. How important God was to our founding fathers. How important the right to bare arms was.
We have to teach, they are not getting it in schools.
How wonderful and generous this great country is.
How conservative ideas work and liberal ones do not.
I got no response all I got was a poll asking me what did I think of immigration, taxes, the war, etc..etc.. and in the end you get the: put the check in the envelope..
Just, shut up and send us your money
Sorry this post is chopped up but its late..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Make them all on one day, have the person that wins the most get the Pres. nod, the person with the second most get the VP
I also agree with this, but the nominee should get to choose his own VP. Or at least have them within 4 weeks or so. The cash needed would be far less giving Canidates a better chance. I for one feel quite the same about most of this,edit.
One more thing, I have written Jendil (will also ask him in person next time I get the opportunity)and have asked him to decline any VP request. I want him to serve our state long enough to straighten it out (and he will) and then we will elect him CiC, because we will need him by then.
Newsmax is reporting today that a source close to McCain's campaign says that Huckebee is at the top of his veep list. Lord, give me strength...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
It may be more that I can handle, too.I honestly can't believe the options that we are faced with this election year. As a Republican, I feel absolutely stuck, with no good choices. The likely Democrat, Obama, is out of the question, and McCain is barely acceptable largely because he's not Obama (or Hillary, if a miracle were to happen for her). I don't even want to think about Huckelberry coming on board. Oh brother...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
At this point, I am ready to start over. Either crash the convention, or start a real comon sense third party. Nothing silly like the libertarian, or Constitutional party. But soomething based in law, and commerce.
I am done with McCain. If you look up "jump the shark" on your computer, you will be taken to video of his speech yeasterday.
Gary, I think we'll see a third party come out of this two year drama, but not until after the election in the fall. Both parties are doing their level best to trash their respective constituencies. Look at the damage in the Democrat camp that the "elitism" of BHO has caused. We can see the damage that McCain is causing with his stances on immigration and climate change. I think there are enough disgruntled Democrats and Republicans who can find common ground in issues that have to do with nationalism. This has been the trend in Europe for the past ten years and, I see the same trend occuring here.
Immigration, border security, taxes, size of government, return to majority rule rather than oppression by minorities, control of renegade court, media and educational sectors, hyper-political correctness - these are issues that will fuel the move toward nationalism. There are a hell of a lot of people who're ready to get behind a movement that helps restore the country to her glory days.
As for this election, I think McCain will win, but he'll do it without my vote and the votes of a lot of other former Republicans.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
A few words of reassurance for all of my conservative friends wringing their hands over the looming judicial calamity if, godforbid, a Democrat is elected president this November.
The Democrats have appointed a grand total of two justices to the Supreme Court in the past forty years. It is true that two or three of the Republican appointments have drifted leftward while on the Court, but the fact remains that there are probably a substantial number of NewsBusters members who weren't even born when liberals last constituted the majority of justices.
Furthermore, the only current justice who is an odds-on lock to retire during the next presidential term is John Paul Stevens--one of the court's most reliable liberals [a Republican who shifted left]. Accordingly, even if Obama is elected, the only sure appointment he will be able to make in the next four years will be a replacement for Stevens--at best an ideological wash. Barring the unexpected, that would still leave a right-leaningmajority: Conservatives Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts, plus the center-right Kennedy vs. liberals Stevens [or his replacement], Ginsburg, David "empty" Souter [thanks fitz] and the center-left Breyer.
Additionally, inasmuch as there have only been two Democratic presidents since 1968, the federal judiciary has become well-stocked with Republican/conservative judges for the forseeable future.
And finally, the Democrats just gained a gubernatorial majority two years ago after twelveyears of Republicans enjoying a plurality of governors. That means there is also ample representation of conservative judges at the state level.
...and hold your nose tightly....Please, Please, Please, those of you who say you will not vote...You must vote for McCain....If you don't, you will be handing this election to Obama...And an Obama administration will kill this country....Politics is and always has been about the lesser of the evils....At no other time has this been held more true as now...We litterally have three evils.....McCain is the lesser of the three ...Our choices are limited.....We have left, lefter, and leftest.....Please, don't sit out this election because of it....It is extremely important that you don't!!!!......If Obama gets in as a result of your actions, I guarantee you will be extremely sorry!
I know this is your mission, so I thought you might like this story ..
The newly elected Mayor of London is, in fact, a natural born US citizen.. and would seem (by your reckoning) to be more qualified to run for President than John McCain.
For a start -- Johnson is actually a conservative...
The most momentous political story of the hour is not what you might think...whatever you might think. It has to do with an American politician now living in London and his aspiration to become president of the United States. His name is Boris Johnson. He, an exemplary conservative, has just beaten one of the most rebarbative left-wing reactionaries in the United Kingdom, to become mayor of London. Johnson ran a very fine campaign, an amalgam of high intelligence, sound principle, rollicking good humor, and energy that could be branded New Tory. Mind you, New Toryism will arrive on these shores in due course.
If John McCain and the other Global Warming alarmists are so concerned about the effect of carbon dioxide (CO2) on the environment, then how come they are not calling for a ban on all Carbonated Beverages!?!
Including all of that BEER that McCain's wife's multi-million dollar beer distribution business ships to all of those "Joe six-pack" voters in Arizona?
Hmmm?? Can anyone answer that?
If Global Warming were true, then McCain and his wife are two of the worst climate criminals in the US and worse yet, McCain has been using the profits from his wife's pollution business to get himself elected President! I'll bet you never thought about that one did you? Good thing Global Warming is a farce, isn't it?
Now what was it McCain said he was going to do about Global Warming? Oh, yeah he said he believes in it and he is going to fight it with our tax dollars.
"Global warming" is a hoax perpetrated by environmentalist whacko liberals who want higher taxes and bigger governments.
Man can't control or influence climate. Pollution (that '70's word that was used before "global warming" became a popular phrase) is messy and is much lower than it has been over much of the past 150 years. Despite that, wearen't influencing the weathe, the climate and there is NOT a disaster wating to happen if we use fluorescent bulbs versus regular old incandescent bulbs.
I will hold my nose tightly and vote against bho and not for McCain. I truely dispise McCain. I dispise the fact that the RNC and the insiders in DC have decided that the party was too far right to suceed. I live in NC and our state has been overrun by illegal aliens and am still looking for someone to step up and do what is right to secure the borders. I dispise the climate change hoax and all the mayheim that will ensue if we do not turn this thing around soon. I dispise the fact that he is such a friend of the environmentalists and I don't see that changing. McCain-Feingold has all but ruined the political process in my opinion. I fear that if all of you who are as PO'd as I am do not vote, that the young people and uninformed people will manage to sweep bho into office and truely distroy this country. I will vote against bho.
Everyone needs to vote this November and help to take back the senate and house. It will not matter one iota who the POTUS is if we can get conservative representatives back into both houses. I get to vote absentee since I am overseas and believe me the others over here are planning on voting.
Not sure where Bob Barr is going to come out but it appears that his entrance is going to have a Perot or Nader effect on the Republicans. That could be bad for POTUS but don't forget we also get to vote for our representatives.
Can't vote for either of these dems...McCain gets my vote by default. In that vein, I hope we get more conservatives in congress to keep him from following dems on everything.
Look, I know you have heard it before. But listen again, please.
Most people are convinced that Stevens and Ginsburg are going to leave the Court during the next Presidency. Ginsburg is 75, and Stevens just turned 88 last month.
If Clinton or Obama gets elected, you are guaranteed that they will be replaced by two more Ginsburgs, or maybe worse.
With McCain, we may get a Kennedy and a Alito. Yes, maybe only a Kennedy and a Souter, but I will take that ANY DAY over two more Ginsburgs.
Whatever else comes with McCain, we can deal with on a grassroots level. The Supreme Court is all that really matters.
<edit> I was thinking "Stevens" but wrote "Souter" as far as who is retiring. I don't know why. Stevens will be 90 during the next Presidency.
McCain's speech has no impact because none of the remaining presidential candidates is even opposing the premise that humans are THE reason the climate is changing let alone suggesting anything other than measures that will drastically and seriously harm humans economically.
I am also looking into the Constitution Party. I have read their platform and is more in line with my conservative ideas. The Republican Party has now morphed into another democrat party. I just might vote for the Constitution Party presidential candidate and then vote republican on all the remaining candidate as a protest vote.
a lib long before he made this speech. Not surprising, doesn't change my vote. I'm voting for my conservative choices for congress who will be able to keep in check whichever of the 3 libs we end up stuck with for the next four years.
"It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."
Republican Rep. Jim Davis ( I think from california), who used to be in charge of getting Republicians elected to congress, say that in order to be elected, they had to distance themselves from Bush AND they had to do something about the housing crisis and .....in other words he wants the republicans to act more like democrats.
Is he out of his mind? Are they out of their minds? He is looking to loose the house FOREVER!
I am really sickend by what he said. Saw him on FOX.
Also I gather the dem who won a seat last night is a CONSERVATIVE Dem?
I didn't see it but I think you must be talking about Davis from Va. he is a real piece of work, he has been part of the problem for us for a long long time...we go any further to the left and we are sunk, as far as I am concerned we already are.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hardly...I knew who you meant because I have watched these pieces of work too many years and been nothing but infuriated...we all can't remember these twits names...and by the way, they still do not get it, why we are losing on our side...people like Davis is a prime example...I was glad for the info.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
LOL I know what you mean..I never thought I would be pulling for her either...in a million years...but what they are doing to her tonight after the trouncing she gave Obama and more to come to him in more states, the blood is in the water...and the sharks are about to devour her.
They don't call it blood sport for nothing...and the Clintons have reaped what they have sown too.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Oh yeah...the stranglehold the Clinton machine has had on people in the msm and the party has been something else...but the rats don't jump ship til they feel safe here...and their fake messiah is the answer in their eyes.
He is the man...and there is nothing the Clintons can do about it now...unless they really have some so called Oct. surprise they pull out soon...like was suggested about a week ago...the soap opera continues.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I'm sick and tired of getting the surveys from the Republican party. They should already know my answers to their childish questions and should have followed my desires 10 years ago. Damned idiots.
I would never vote for a Markist like Clinton or Obama and the only way in this election to defeat them is to go for McCain even though his ideas to combat global warming thoroughly p*ssed me off.
Years ago I laughed at the global conspiracy "nuts". But after seeing Bush commit political adultry and both partys go pro "LOST" treaty and pro NAFTA super highway I now thinking there is an "over-government" taking control. Just look how hard that North Korean petty dictator got slapped down.
I hope i'm not around to see the collapse of our country.
From my position you'd never guess that I really am a "glass is half full" kind of guy would you?
I would like to thank Senator McCain for reminding us why we should vote for the Libertarian candidate (if they don't nominate another isolationist) or write-in "Fred Thompson"
LOL-BTW, when both Ct and myself are banished to Siberia by the PTB here at NB for our expressing our disdain for McCain, will you come hang out with us for a brew or three? Hell, I'll even buy the first two rounds.
Please change my vote to "Definitely won't vote for him". I'd rather we suffer four years under a declared liberal to ensure our voice will be heard loudly four years later than risk eight years of McCain. Even four years of McCain would mean a real republican couldn't be an option. If we keep voting for the lesser evil, we just slow the slide and ease us into self destruction. Best to take the hit and let everyone see what we are complaining about. Take ethanol. They had to watch people die before they could even start to understand burning food was a bad idea. Don't slowly acclimate America into a liberal wasteland. Let people get dunked in it so they wake up.
Up untill this climate change speech, I was going to hold my nose and vote for McCain. I still intend to vote, but not for a President. I'll leave that space blank.
Maybe with Obama, Pelosi and Reid calling the shots, the Replulican leadership will get the message and begin to act like Conservatives instead of Democrat wanna bees. Obviously they now believe that the path to leadership is by acting like Moderates.
Read these post, here, on town hall, red state, etc etc.
You should be $hitting in your pants.
We are as pissed off as I have ever seen, from over spending, no dam fence, earmarks, global warming BS, ball-less leadership., left leaning BS! etc. etc.
You better hope Juan Mc Cain wins the middle because a large percent of us are really looking for another party. (we are not just blowing off steam) we really fed up. Too many %&*#@ sandwiches.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Appropos your poll above, make me number 789 (approx.) who, rather than hold his nose to vote for McCain in November, will either stay home or vote Libertarian!
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OK I admit it
May 13, 2008 - 18:19 ET by DelsaI lied.
I said it made me more likely to vote for him - when in fact,
HE MAKES ME SICK!!!
His comments make this election more and more difficult for me.
Delsa,
May 13, 2008 - 18:22 ET by Noel SheppardDelsa,
So why'd you vote that way? Do you want me to change it? I have that power. :-) ns
Go ahead Noel
May 13, 2008 - 18:31 ET by DelsaYou can change it to "Less Likely" or NO IMPACT
Use your best judgement. I can't vote for anyone else but he makes me feel twisted in my little brain.
I did not want to foul the vote it is just that he makes it so tough to stay with him. Especially, when he smiles his stupid smile and says too bad to those of us who don't feel the way he does.
Use your best judgement. I think I will be undecided right up until I get into the booth
Delsa
May 13, 2008 - 18:31 ET by Noel SheppardDelsa,
Done. But don't tell anybody! :-) ns
Noel
May 13, 2008 - 18:35 ET by DelsaMum's the word. :-)
If that makes you sick,
May 13, 2008 - 19:19 ET by general companyIf that makes you sick, maybe you should not look at these.
http://store.johnmccain.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=113
He sent me an e-mail peddling these,?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Too late Noel,
May 13, 2008 - 19:48 ET by JPR1there's a Dem party operative in Ohio ready to make you an offer you can't refuse.
In fact, if Hillary learns of your powers your life is going to change dramatically. One way or another!
Just when I decide to hold my nose and vote
May 13, 2008 - 18:23 ET by Calypso Joneshe opens his mouth AGAIN and leaves me with no desire to make the trip to the polls. WHAT a disappointment.
As bad as John McCain may
May 13, 2008 - 19:52 ET by eaglescout1998As bad as John McCain may be, he cannot be worse than "Slick Hilly" or "Mr. Hope & Change."
I have heard many a conservative say they will stay home on election day because of their disdain for McCain. That's their right, of course. But I cannot help but think of the many conservatives who, by staying home in 1976, handed the keys to the White House to the "Peanut Farmer."
How many Republicans does this guy actually represent?
May 13, 2008 - 20:54 ET by alecjHow in the heck did McCain end up our nominee-- even if he wins he will do damage to the country that will be incredibly difficult to repair if not impossible. You give him a huge majority of Dems in Congress and he will destroy our economy with this eco-fanatism which will then be blamed on a Republican President making 2012 even worse. We are in a situation that is so depressing to true conservatives. What hope do we have to not completely lose the country to the left for the rest of this generation. Why do great societies always destroy themselves throughout history and are we watching it happen at this very moment. 4 Years of super majorities of Dems in Congress and an Obama (or even McCain) could break this countries back beyond repair and leave us living out the rest of our existence as another weak, hollow, and government controlled shadow of the America that was great. Not even another Reagan could undo that damage. Once an entire generation of wards of the state are created by the upcoming revolution of entitlements and wealth redistribution, the Democratic party will have bought off enough votes control our lives in anyway they see fit. Meanwhile gutting our ability to defend the country eventually leading us into a completely defensive posture in the war on terrorism and most likely a string of attacks on America that will change the country forever.....Some one give me a reason to believe we arent a few votes this fall from becoming another european psuedo-socialist mess with no ablility to control its own destiny on the world stage. Not to mention the loss of economic prowess forever. Im really looking for a reason for hope.....help me-
alecj, you are in no need of help....
May 13, 2008 - 21:00 ET by R D Helm...as you are spot on here.
Deflated Roman Empire, here we come. With bells on. :-O
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
I think that every one
May 13, 2008 - 21:07 ET by USA4freedomI think that every one should decide on who to vote for to make a statement. I am looking at Bob Barr..
I can not or will not vote for Democratic because they will look at it like a mandate, and I never have.
I want the RNC to notice. I want them to hurt. I want them to ram their heads into brick walls just like I want to right now.
I think they got the message when I sent them a brick everytime they asked for money, with the note: Build the fence, start with this brick, then, and only then will I send money.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
always liked Bob and I'd
May 13, 2008 - 21:28 ET by TruthMongeralways liked Bob
and I'd really rather have a non-Republican take credit for the next crappy 4 years - these RINO's are really starting to sully the good name of Republican
and things might actually not be too bad under Bob Barr...
TM... The luster has come
May 13, 2008 - 21:34 ET by Clear thinkerTM...
The luster has come off the name "Republican". And this coming from a 30 year member.
"Abstain from McCain"
40 years here from
May 13, 2008 - 21:47 ET by USA4freedom40 years here from 1968..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
Sorry alec... I cannot
May 13, 2008 - 21:32 ET by Clear thinkerSorry alec...
I cannot help you. Maybe you should ask Noel.
"Abstain from McCain"
alecj... I don't know
May 13, 2008 - 21:43 ET by bigtimeralecj...
I don't know where you came from...but, thank you, thank you, thank you.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
alecj: European
May 13, 2008 - 22:30 ET by alamojbalecj: European nations as we have known them, and America as we love her, are being destroyed- to be replaced by SupraNational entities en route to world government. McCain, Obama, Clinton- I see no difference between them except the speed at which they will accomplish this.
"How in the heck did McCain
May 14, 2008 - 01:49 ET by eaglescout1998"How in the heck did McCain end up our nominee?"
My theory: McCain had support from independents and Democrats in states with open primary systems. I really think they should do away with open primaries in all 50 states. How is it fair for a Democrat to muck up our nomination process (or for us to muck up theirs, for that matter)?
The Primary Process is the ultimate disenfranchiser.....
May 14, 2008 - 03:11 ET by alecjIve heard the whines of disenfranchisement from Democrats every election since 2000 when it became part of their crusted, oddly snortable, ditto machine worn playbook. The truth is, the primary process rarely even makes it to places as important to the general election as Pennslyvania or Ohio without already being decided. How can the Republican Nominee be selected by a hand full of random states, many of which are in no way demographically similar to the rest of the country.
The fair solution is.....1 Super Tuesday--- all 50 states--- 6 months before the general. Just like the actual selection of a President-- each party should select its nominee with all states making their choice the same day. Not allowing demographic anomalies or specific issue voters from a small state to overly prop up or kill a candidate before 95% of us get to vote. Thats ridiculous and would be considered a travesty if carried over to the general election.
Sorry guys, Iowa and New Hampshire chose-- we figure thats a pretty good sample on what the rest of you want--- game over.
Where are all the "all votes must count!" loud mouths during this mess.
Is this idea completely insane or is it SO insane it makes at least some sense---
I don't know whether or not
May 13, 2008 - 21:04 ET by fitzfongI don't know whether or not he will be worse than those two, but he will probably be just as bad. The Democrats are going to increase their majorities in both Houses of Congress and they will be "working with" a RINO President who would rather take orders from them than stand up to them. And four years from now, the Republican Party will get the blame for the failures of the Democrat Congress...all because John McCain neutered himself. May as well have Obama.
NBers
May 13, 2008 - 18:21 ET by Noel SheppardNBers,
I'd like to see a lot of votes and a lot of comments about this one, folks, because I believe Rush as well as other conservative commentators will be very interested in what we think.
As such, vote early...vote often! :-)
Noel
I have been saying for close
May 13, 2008 - 19:24 ET by Warner Todd HustonI have been saying for close to a year that I just cannot vote for John McLame no matter who the Dems put up against him.
This will be the first time in my voting life I can not vote for the Republican nominee for Prez.
Warner... Ditto! "Abst
May 13, 2008 - 20:21 ET by Clear thinkerWarner...
Ditto!
"Abstain from McCain"
As a resident of his home
May 14, 2008 - 15:47 ET by BDAs a resident of his home state of Arizona, I am forced to say that he long ago ceased being our Senator.
Rather, he has become the "Senator from the Press".
Therefore, if he had not won the nomination, I would have voted for ANYONE who ran against him in his next election for Senator. Sherriff Joe Arpaio being a good candidate for McCain's defeat.
Do you really
May 14, 2008 - 17:45 ET by DEVILDOCMOMthink Sheriff Joe Arpaio would run for senator...I could vote for him.
Yes, I am hoping this fight
May 14, 2008 - 18:10 ET by BDYes, I am hoping this fight he is having with Janet Napolitano is just staging towards that.
DDM and BD... Wow...we
May 14, 2008 - 18:24 ET by bigtimerDDM and BD...
Wow...we couldn't be so lucky to get someone like sheriff Joe as a Senator...heck I'd vote for him for Prez for that matter.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Of course
May 14, 2008 - 23:12 ET by DEVILDOCMOMhe could be governor...with his fight to arrest the illegals and her blockage of his attempts the door seems wide open for him.
Don't you just love this statement: "To the extent that the sheriff is using state money to fund sweeps that were causing trepidation in the immigrant community, that state money will no longer be available," Napolitano said.
We sure do not want "trepidation" among the illegals, do we?
Oh no, causing law breakers
May 15, 2008 - 14:44 ET by BDOh no, causing law breakers to fear the police would be "Bad."
Thank you WTH!
May 13, 2008 - 21:03 ET by R D Helm:-)
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
me too warner...and
May 13, 2008 - 21:30 ET by TruthMongerme too warner...
it had no change for me - please make a note of that column - many of us were already 100% against McCain - couldn't be any less likely to vote for him
and "global warming/cooling/climate-change/whatever" means absolutely nothing to me...completely irrelevant - even if it's truly 100% "man-made..."
God has it all under control - and outside of our peerless US mil - the US government (especially in the hands of RINO McCain) couldn't find it's ass with both hands - let alone positively help control the climate of planet Earth...
And as a political conservative - and like all other conservatives I have ever met...pollution and the environment has already concerned me my whole life...and so practical harmony with nature, frugality, conservation, and sustainability has always been my ideal
Which is why I always recommend the Amish lifestyle to be voluntarily adopted worldwide...
btw this may not happen in my lifetime - no, really...
TM... First off I agree
May 13, 2008 - 21:37 ET by bigtimerTM...
First off I agree with Warner also...
I just wanted to tell you I concur with your post tonight...even the Amish...now what a perfect world that would be..eh?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Conservative Commentators need to stress the financial costs
May 13, 2008 - 21:04 ET by PopularTechConservative commentators need to stress the financial costs of any global warming regulation - whether it be cap and trade or carbon taxes. People need to know that if this regulation goes through their energy costs are going to skyrocket. They also need to make clear the debate has nothing to do with pollution. These two points are why most of the fence sitters are not involved - they are confused and think any of this has to do with pollution regulation or do not realize it will cost them ALOT of money. They need to know that air pollution is already regulated and this regulation will NOT increase air quality or reduce REAL pollution.
Cap-and-Trade Could Cost the Average Family $10,800 in Lost Income (US Newswire)
$ - Electricity prices could jump 65% by 2015
$ - Gasoline prices could jump 37% by 2020
"CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving – I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality."
- Richard S. Lindzen Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology MIT
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a natural part of Earth's Atmosphere (NASA)
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels in the atmosphere have risen from 280 to 380 ppm over the past 100 years (IPCC)
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not toxic until 5% (50,000ppm) concentration (Source)
- Any detrimental effects of Carbon Dioxide (CO2) including chronic exposure to 3% (30,000ppm) are reversible (Source)
- OSHA, NIOSH, and ACGIH occupational exposure standards are 0.5% (5,000 ppm) Carbon Dioxide (CO2) (Source)
The Kyoto Protocol is a treaty to regulate 'Greenhouse Gases' only:
- Carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Methane (CH4)
- Nitrous oxide (N2O) (Laughing Gas, Nitrous, NOS)
- Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
- Perfluorocarbons (PFCs)
- Sulphur hexafluoride (SF6)
Car Exhaust consists of:
Harmless:
- Carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Nitrogen (N2)
- Water vapor (H2O)
Some Pollutants:
- Carbon monoxide (CO) *
- Hydrocarbons or Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) *
- Nitric oxide (NO) *
- Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) *
- Particulate matter (PM-10) *
- Sulfur dioxide (SO2) *
* Your car's Catalytic Converter removes about 95% of these pollutants by converting them to Water and Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
Smog consists of:
- Ozone (O3) * (formed from the photochemical reaction of Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) + Hydrocarbons)
- Particulate matter (PM-10) *
- Sulfur dioxide (SO2) *
* Air Pollution is already regulated in the: 1970 Clean Air Act (Amended: 1977, 1990)
People still do not understand these simple points. They are going to have to hear it over and over again until it sinks in:
- CO2 is NOT POLLUTION!
- GLOBAL WARMING REGULATION WILL CAUSE YOU ENERGY COSTS TO SKYROCKET!
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
WOW!
May 13, 2008 - 21:08 ET by Cape ConservativeYou sure impressed me - now let's get it out there!!!
Having read the posts on this thread
May 13, 2008 - 23:04 ET by DEVILDOCMOMI (and my family) fall on the side of holding our collective noses and voting for McCain. We live in Arizona and are thrilled at the possiblity of sending him to Washington.
I see a vote for Bob Barr as a vote for bho and I could not stomach supporting him. I find bho and his wife beneath contempt.
Free Arizona, move John
May 14, 2008 - 15:49 ET by BDFree Arizona, move John McCain out of his senate seat.....
Well BD...now that is a
May 14, 2008 - 15:55 ET by bigtimerWell BD...now that is a good way to look at it...I never thought of that...lol.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Free California, move
May 14, 2008 - 16:36 ET by fitzfongFree California, move Schwarzenegger to the scrap heap.
You said a mouthful too
May 14, 2008 - 16:42 ET by bigtimerYou said a mouthful too fitz...
I am so disgusted today with the majority of the repub's and the big-wigs anymore I have about had it...after the leftist global warming speech by McCain and now the Polar bear being put on the threatened species list today by the repub administration...I wash my hands of them...we really need a new party...and the real conservatives need to start it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Yeah, bigtimer. I remember
May 14, 2008 - 17:43 ET by fitzfongYeah, bigtimer. I remember falling into the trap of voting for that creep in the Recall Election. I so desperately wanted to get rid of Gray Davis, and I figured the only way to get Davis recalled and to prevent Cruz Bustamante from replacing him would be to vote for Schwarzenegger. He made all the right noises at the time. I had arguments with my father who wouldn't vote for Schwarzenegger under any circumstances (it's all about the abortion issue with him). He was going to vote for the Recall and for Tom McClintock...a State Senator with a great fiscally conservative mind (McClintock is now termed out but running for Congress this year). In retrospect, I wish I had done the same...not that it would have mattered. Of course, I'm having the same arguments with my dad now. He's all for McCain...but I'm right this time. I detest Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's a lazy, arrogant, phony sack of crap who's been neutered by the goons in the Public Employee Unions. The fact that his biggest allies are criminals: Villaraigiosa, lame duck Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez and lame duck State Senator Don Perata tells you all you need to know about that steaming pile. At this point, I'd sooner see Barbara Boxer get re-elected in 2010 than to see the Windbaginator knock her off her ill-gotten perch.
Yeah fitz...being from
May 14, 2008 - 17:56 ET by bigtimerYeah fitz...being from Calif. having property there still and most of my family still living here...I paid close attention to that race...he talked a good game..and that is all it was... a game...in the tradition of the Kennedy family and other RINO's...I too wanted McClintock to prevail..but seeing maybe, just maybe he was a semi good candidate and was going to do something about illegal immigration in Ca. and the drivers license BS, go against the unions and on and on, maybe if people got him in Ca. had a chance...well he lied too.
It was and has been all disgusting...and his global warming crap is a bunch of BS too...by the way if he gets anymore face-lifts or botox he is going to be a real monster for the screens...can't help adding that in...he is looking awful.
I'm sorry I an running on...I am just in a foul mood with these people with 'R's behind their names that aren't.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
No surprise there, so it
May 13, 2008 - 18:24 ET by Chris NormanNo surprise there, so it doesn't alter the fact that I will vote against Obama in the general election. Yes, I deliberately worded it that way because I wouldn't characterize my vote as a vote for McCain in a positive sense.
I will never vote for a
May 13, 2008 - 20:59 ET by USA4freedomI will never vote for a Democrat, but.. I will not vote for Mc Cain.
Well, here is my logic:
I know that there are some holes in it but I believe we have to look for the future. Mc Cain shows every day that he does not worry about our votes. He believes in: “where else can they go” theory. So he concentrates on the left and middle.
I have a different idea, if Mc Cain gets in, he is the head of the party, he will want to push his agenda, the Republicans in the House and Senate will be forced to go along, (look at the last immigration bill) so any left leaning bills will never be stopped. Who is there to do it? The Republicans? They will follow Mc Cain’s lead. The Democrats? Never.
If we are the party out of power we will fight to stop legislation put up by Obama or Billary.
The problem with this is a few things, one the war. That is one spot that Mc Cain is strong on. The other is judges, that is yet to be seen. He said that he did not like Roberts as a choice.
One important point, if we cannot filibuster then all is lost. Other then those few things I don’t see much difference.
There are dark times ahead. Sad, hard times, but somehow we have to get to the other end.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
No impact. None zippo
May 13, 2008 - 18:23 ET by upcountrywaterwill NEVER vote for a democrat
The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO
I got a kick out of
May 13, 2008 - 18:39 ET by CortillaenI got a kick out of this.
www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
Which fiscal socialist?
May 13, 2008 - 18:26 ET by JeffHi Noel, you're right. we should all chime in...even those who haven't written in anything for a while. John McCain is trying very hard to lose my vote. I disagree with his policies on accessing our resources (ANWR), on Anthropogenic GoreBull Warning, and on a number of issues. I'm a fiscal conservative who would only vote for him if he ran a Rob Portman as his VP
...either we get our heads together about this war, or our enemies will surely separate them for us...
Jeff
May 13, 2008 - 18:38 ET by Noel SheppardJeff,
Well, you people all know where I am on AGW, and his speech yesterday really angered me. REALLY angered me. Who needs Democrats with Republicans like this?
However, I'm not a one-issue voter. He's still better than Obama...but the margin of difference is decreasing! :-) ns
Noel, Please don't bail now.
May 13, 2008 - 18:41 ET by Chris NormanNoel,
Please don't bail now. You're one of the few big guys who I can look to as I try to cling onto my intention to vote against Obama.
Chris and RD
May 13, 2008 - 18:48 ET by Noel SheppardChris and RD,
McCain has my vote. Period! That's not going to change. Voting these days is ALWAYS the lesser of two evils. And, the lesser of these evils is McCain. Period. That's not going to change.
However, with speeches like this one, I may need additional fingers holding my nose as I enter the polling booth!!!!! ns
Noel, I'm prepared to wear a
May 13, 2008 - 18:51 ET by Chris NormanNoel, I fully expect to have to wear a mask and an oxygen tank.
Chris AND R D?????????
May 13, 2008 - 18:58 ET by R D HelmLMAO-Geez, Noel, scroll upward. Heck, I haven't even said anything yet.
Or was it that you already had that ready, knowing full well what was coming. :-^)
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
RD
May 13, 2008 - 19:01 ET by Noel SheppardRD,
Look below this post, dude! ns
Noel,
May 13, 2008 - 19:07 ET by R D HelmLOL-Yeah, I know.
Jezz tryin' to keep things chronological. :-)
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
RD, I think he scrolled down
May 13, 2008 - 19:01 ET by Chris NormanRD,
I think he scrolled down and then chose the middle to reply. Maybe he's keeping us separated, seeing how we're falling on different sides on this. :)
Who needs Democrats with
May 13, 2008 - 18:44 ET by R D HelmWho needs Democrats with Republicans like this?
Noel, there may just be hope for you yet. :-)
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
Noel... There have been a
May 13, 2008 - 18:45 ET by Clear thinkerNoel...
There have been a few times when you came close to scolding me for the stand I was taking against McCain. But have no fear, I hold no grudge against you for it. In fact, I'm glad that some of the shine has worn off and more people are getting to see what kind of candidate we have representing the GOP.
This election season is an absolute nightmare!
"Abstain from McCain"
CT
May 13, 2008 - 18:50 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Scolding? That's too strong I think. But, it's lesser of evils, my friend. That hasn't changed. ns
Scolding... I did say
May 13, 2008 - 18:54 ET by Clear thinkerScolding...
I did say 'close to scolding', not 'you did scold'. I'm careful with my words.
Please understand that I cannot vote for evil whether it's more or less.
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct,
May 13, 2008 - 19:02 ET by R D HelmLOL-Let's face it, they are going to run us two heretics off.
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
RD
May 13, 2008 - 19:04 ET by Noel SheppardRD,
A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama. Tell me I'm wrong! ns
Noel,
May 13, 2008 - 19:16 ET by R D HelmTell me I'm wrong!
Not a chance, as like like 99.9999% of the time, you are not wrong, and I am not about to debate your decidedly superior wisdom in this area.
However, would you not at least agree that a vote for Barr is not a vote for McCain?
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
RD... You may be
May 13, 2008 - 19:10 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
You may be right!
"Abstain from McCain"
CT
May 13, 2008 - 19:13 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Stop it! You think this site is in the tank for McCain? Would I have put up this poll if that was the case?
C'mon. We're all conflicted about this. You're not the only one...trust me! :-) ns
Stop what? Seriously,
May 13, 2008 - 19:15 ET by Clear thinkerStop what?
Seriously, stop what exactly???
"Abstain from McCain"
Taking a shot
May 13, 2008 - 20:03 ET by Clear thinkerTaking a shot Noel...
I'm going to try and answer my own question so I hope I understood your 'stop it' request. Most of the regulars here know how I feel and how I'm going to vote. I also know how most of the regulars feel and how they are going to vote. With this in mind, why would you expect anything less of me than to stick to what I believe in?
You are making me feel as if I'm doing some sort of dis-service to this site by voicing my opinion. I in no way am trying to undermine anyone, or anything that has anything remotely related to do with this site.
Does my opinion concerning McCain upset you?
"Abstain from McCain"
CT
May 13, 2008 - 20:19 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Forgive me. My battery ran out. Laptops.
This medium is failing us if you think I'm upset with you. Your opinion isn't upsetting me. And you're not doing a disservice to this site by voicing your opinion. Not at all.
I think people here have been misinterpreting my position concerning McCain for months. I understand how all that are opposed to McCain feel. I'm not in love with this candidate. I just can't see sitting the election out and letting a socialist win.
In the end, that's the deal: you can vote for McCain, or America is heading further towards socialism. ns
Noel... "In the end,
May 13, 2008 - 20:32 ET by Clear thinkerNoel...
"In the end, that's the deal: you can vote for McCain, or America is heading further towards socialism. ns"
This is where we part ways. I see a vote for McCain and/or Obama as pretty much the same thing. With McCain we slide towards socialism just a wee bit slower.
Sorry, but it's the way I see it.
"Abstain from McCain"
CT
May 13, 2008 - 20:38 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Okay, so let's assume you're right, and it's just a wee bit slower. Mightn't that wee bit impact your taxes? Mightn't that wee bit impact SCOTUS, which, BTW, could impact things for decades? Mightn't that wee bit impact the military? And, mightn't that wee bit impact the war on terrorism?
Hmmm. Seems to me that wee bit might be a wee bit better?
But that's just me. ns
By a wee bit... I agree,
May 13, 2008 - 20:46 ET by Clear thinkerBy a wee bit...
I agree, but only by a wee bit!
Let me try from another direction. If a McCain presidency is a complete disaster, what will it do to the GOP?
"Abstain from McCain"
CT
May 13, 2008 - 21:14 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Well, if Herbert Hoover was alive, how might HE answer that question?
Let's examine this, shall we?
In 2006, after 26 years of the nation moving to the right, and 14 years of Republican control of Congress, the nation made a HUGE left turn giving both legislative chambers back to the Democrats -- VERY LIBERAL Democrats, mind you!
Now, if a VERY LIBERAL Democrat wins the White House in 2008, might that mean the 2006 shift was the beginning of a LONG national move leftward?
Maybe? Possibly? Isn't that what history has shown us?
Now, by comparison, if a Republican -- albeit a moderate Republican -- wins the White House in 2008, might this slow the tide of socialism -- much like what FDR ushered in almost 76 years ago! -- enough to give the right a shot in 2010 and 2012?
Let's understand that these trends have a tendency to be long-lasting once they get going. HOWEVER, much as what happened when Clinton won in '92, one election doth not a trend make, as two years later, the Pubs took over both chambers of Congress thereby extending the conservative revolution that began in 1980!!!
However TWO CONSECUTIVE "realigning" elections can be irreversible.
I'm just saying!!! :-) ns
P.S. Are we having fun yet?
Noel..."P.S. Are we
May 13, 2008 - 21:29 ET by Clear thinkerNoel...
"P.S. Are we having fun yet?" No!
I'm still trying to figure out what you wrote so bear with me. Do you agree that the GOP has been leaning more to the left in recent years? If you do, do you think a McCain presidency would set a tone for what the GOP will look like in the future? And finally, do you see this as a positive?
Whoops, almost forgot.... why do you call McCain a "moderate"?
"Abstain from McCain"
CT
May 13, 2008 - 21:44 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Do you agree that the GOP has been leaning more to the left in recent years?
Sadly, yes.
If you do, do you think a McCain presidency would set a tone for what the GOP will look like in the future?
Hopefully not.
And finally, do you see this as a positive?
Tough to tell at the moment.
As I mentioned to Chris I believe, McCain right now is likely making a wise political maneuver. The two Dem candidates are fighting for the left, and, therefore, have abandoned the middle. The majority of voters right now are in that middle. So, since Hillary and Obama have completely ignored this segment, McCain has wisely gone for it.
Does this help us conservatives at this moment? No. But, it prevents two consecutive elections of liberal victories. That DOES help us, for historically, two consecutive such elections represent a realignment that could last for decades.
Once again, just ask Herbert Hoover!
You have to understand that because of all the history I've studied, I see things from a macro level. If after taking back the Congress in 2006 the Dems take the White House in 2008 while expanding majorities in both chambers, this will signal the end of the conservative revolution Reagan began, and we could have DECADES of liberal Democrat dominance. DECADES!!!
This is what history has shown us -- OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
The folks on the right that are hoping a Dem victory in 2008 will mobilize conservatives in 2010 are FIGHTING against multiple historical precedents concerning this very issue.
I'm sorry, but as someone nearing retirement with one kid in college and another about to be, I'm not willing to make such a bet.
Please understand that I'm also someone that bets WITH the odds, and whilst at Vegas or Tahoe, understands such things. As such, the odds of us LOSING the White House in 2008 and taking back Congress in 2010 and the White House in 2012 are VERY long. VERY.
By contrast, history shows that if we win the White House this year -- even with a moderate candidate -- we are MUCH MORE LIKELY to win back the Congress in 2010, and hold the White House in 2012.
Sorry, but that's what history shows. ns
History... History is so
May 13, 2008 - 21:56 ET by Clear thinkerHistory...
History is so 'in the past'. <---My attempt at humor. Sorry, I just can't make the same connection you are regarding past history. This is something that is a modern day FUBAR.
You wrote : "McCain right now is likely making a wise political maneuver."
If by going AGW is a wise political maneuver, then why is he doing it with so much conviction and passion? He sure sounds as if he is sold on the idea and wants us to be sold on it too. Bottom line for me... I DO NOT TRUST HIM.
"Abstain from McCain"
Though I won't. I can see
May 13, 2008 - 21:55 ET by danboThough I won't. I can see the reason for sitting out the election. If we elect a non conservative republican and he makes a lot of bad decissions. In 2012 people will go the other way. And we'll see a democRAT.
If we let them elect an Obama. I suspect people will move to a conservative congress and again after Obama messes everything up...
We're in this because of Clinton/Gore and do nothing republicans. Clinton/Gore gave power to the people pushing this bull. And I voted for Bush to throw the rascals out. And he didn't clean house. It's my biggest disappointment in W.
It's a tough choice. Vote for a republican I disagree with on so much. Or not vote and face even worse.
Arsenic or cyanid?
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Ct, I think I'll check the weather and current job listings in..
May 13, 2008 - 19:38 ET by R D Helm...Siberia.
You do like borscht, don't you?
I mean, I hear if you drink enough vodka....
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
RD... I'm in big trouble. I
May 13, 2008 - 19:41 ET by Clear thinkerRD... I'm in big trouble. I hate Borscht and don't drink Vodka. Do they have any good Beers in Siberia? "Abstain from McCain"
Ct,
May 13, 2008 - 19:49 ET by R D HelmLOL-I honestly don't know anything about the beer in Russia.
However, when we get there, maybe Leon can point us to a few good ones. :-)
And where the hell is Free when we need him???
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
Free is probably working
May 13, 2008 - 20:43 ET by Clear thinkerFree is probably working the graveyard shift somewhere in Siberia!
Oh, about the beer in Siberia.... at least I know it will be cold beer. Always have to find the upside.
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct,
May 13, 2008 - 21:06 ET by R D HelmPerhaps he has reserved a table for us.
LOL-Or, at least a couple of stools.
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
CT
May 13, 2008 - 19:03 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
You must sit out a lot of Election Days. ns
Elections that I sat
May 13, 2008 - 19:12 ET by Clear thinkerElections that I sat out...
Zero! I used to vote straight GOP ticket, not anymore. After 30 years of voting I finally grew up.
"Abstain from McCain"
OK...I'll Chime In
May 13, 2008 - 18:53 ET by dboI'm not an American citizen but if you want my unsolicited advice I would hold my nose and vote for McCain. Look at Obama on health care or Iraq. Ridiculously scary. Trust me, as a Canadian you don't want to go down that universal health care road. Even though McCain is an idiot on AGW, at least he's on record for not signing any binding international agreements that don't include China or India whereas Obama has said he might offer a cabinet post to Al "the jolly green giant" Gore. I'm a fiscal consevative too. A 3 out of ten is 3x better than a 1 out of ten.
Thanks for your input
May 13, 2008 - 21:15 ET by Cape Conservativeand I agree with the points you have made.
MOST IMPORTANT to me, however, is to put CONSERVATIVES in both the House and Senate to keep whoever gets elected in line!
Cape, Spot on that is THE
May 13, 2008 - 21:58 ET by USA4freedomCape,
Spot on that is THE issue.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
Don't like liars
May 13, 2008 - 18:35 ET by 10ksnookerI really don't like people who look you in the eye and lie.
What is it going to take???
May 13, 2008 - 18:45 ET by jefflebowskiPeople, come on! What is it going to take for you to wake up??? McCain is a Democrat! A liberal! The only quasi-conservative thing that he does is support the war in Iraq. And even so, many conservatives are getting tired of losing our soldier protecting those backward ass people who revel in killing their daughters in "honor killings."
By voting for McPain, you are telling the Republican Party (read Wussypants Party) that it is acceptable for them to move further and further from traditional conservative values! To hell with the Republican party. I am looking for conservative leaders. If it takes a 4 year stint with Balack Osama (the new Carter) to wake this country up, so be it! But do not fool yourself into thinking that McPain is ever going to be conservative. Wake up!!
What makes you think Obama
May 13, 2008 - 18:48 ET by Chris NormanWhat makes you think Obama will only last four years and which conservative do you propose will replace him?
Chris
May 13, 2008 - 19:35 ET by jefflebowskiObama would last 4 years because he is the new Carter. He would screw up things to where even the mindless voters that will vote for him would realize that we need real leadership...from a conservative. Just like in '80 when Ronbo wiped out Carter. Carter basically ran on the same platform that Osama is espousing now.
Who that is? Hard to say. Of the recent candidates, I say Romney came closest in his rhetoric. He certainly has the next 4 years to strengthen his conservative credentials.
You have a lot more
May 13, 2008 - 19:53 ET by Chris NormanYou have a lot more certainty than I do. What if Obama is like Clinton instead of Carter? What if the aftermath in 2016 is like the 2000 election with a few votes shifting to the Democrats? You're gambling the country on a hunch that's relies on a best case scenario.
By the way, Romney wasn't much of a principled conservative, as he shifted many views to run as one. He didn't prevail over McCain in the primaries, in 2012 he'll be a retread. You've got to come up with someone better than that.
Chris
May 13, 2008 - 21:40 ET by jefflebowskiThe only way that Obama would win a second term is if the Republicans (Wussypants) party ran another Bob Dole or McPain.
I think Romney learned his lesson but I imagine you can't be elected in Mass running as a conservative. He only lost to McPain because of the Hucksterbee evangelical anti-Mormon vote. If Democrats weren't allowed to cross over and vote in the primaries, we'd be looking at a different story. I'm not 100% sold on Romney either but at least he's a success and not a lifelong politician.
Nothing like a bunch of liberals to create quality conservatives. We're in a lull but we'll be back!
By voting for McPain, you
May 13, 2008 - 19:39 ET by general companyBy voting for McPain, you are telling the Republican Party (read Wussypants Party) that it is acceptable for them to move further and further from traditional conservative values!
And letting Obama or Hillery win sends what for the message? Just how do you think our party got so wussyfied? I will tell you how, we let them make the rules of discussion via the MSM. This is what has bought us together BTW
Even though, I do think that the liberals do deserve some of what they preach, I for one am getting a little tired of protecting them from themselves.But, I will be voting for McCain because I have loved ones all over the Country and world.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I agree General
May 13, 2008 - 19:56 ET by jefflebowskiAlso, the Repubs became wussified by political correctness. All the left has to say is "racist" and the republicans run for cover! Look how the libs pushed around Bill Frist! What a complete wimp. Bush has moved ever to the middle and really never was conservative outside of tax cuts. And now we're stuck with McCain (gang of 14, Amnesty, McCain/Feingold).
Jeff Lebowski
Wrong button
May 13, 2008 - 20:22 ET by general companySorry
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I am not sure what to
May 13, 2008 - 20:24 ET by general companyI am not sure what to do about the state of the GOP, but unless we start voting in more conservative reps everywhere the GOP will continue down the current path. In my opinion 06 hurt us more then any other single item. Our voices in the media and or reps have to start defending their policies better and calling the liars, well liars. Until then it probably will not change much.
All that being said, maybe it will take 4or8 years of a liberal like Obama to wake up enough folks. Unfortunately giving him the House and Senate will make it very difficult for us to reverse the policies that I think he is wanting to pass. Once we start down the path of Socialism it will be painful to reverse, witch will become a necessity.
Bottom line is the liberals are insane, McCain isn't, just a politician
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
No impact for me. I may hold
May 13, 2008 - 18:39 ET by DaBirdNo impact for me. I may hold my nose a little tighter when voting for him. But vote for him I will.
Can you say President Obama?
May 13, 2008 - 18:41 ET by R D HelmBetter get used to it, as, come next January, you will be hearing this term repeated ad nauseam.
Between this idiotic speech and McCain's inexplicable (not to mention insane) decision to appear before La Raza, I'd say his chances now are somewhere between non-existent and no way in hell.
And do I even have to bring up his reluctance to really go after Obama?
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
Why should we bother
May 13, 2008 - 18:44 ET by CortillaenWhy should we bother addressing him that way? The media just calls our current president "Bush" (when they're feeling generous), so surely there's no problem with just calling the dip "Obama". </sarc>
www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi
RDH, repeat after me President Ohama
May 13, 2008 - 18:59 ET by upcountrywaterAnd to get us in the mood, sing along now.
The old republic is swept away.. cha cha change.
The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO
RD
May 13, 2008 - 18:59 ET by Noel SheppardRD,
I beg to differ, because we're going to wipe the floor with this guy.
I said months ago when Hillary was the inevitable candidate that people would hate her once they got to know her. The same is true for Obama. He's easy meat, and we're going to take him apart.
And, the real beauty here is that the Clintonistas are going to help us so that she can run again in 2012!!! ns
$#@% jumping screen and
May 13, 2008 - 19:16 ET by Chris Norman$#@% jumping screen and double post!
Chris
May 13, 2008 - 19:22 ET by Noel SheppardChris,
I think he's realizing that Obama and Hillary have been battling for the left, and that this has left the middle WIDE open, which, let's face it, is his battlefield.
Let's get real here, for a second: John McCain is a moderate Republican. This isn't a conservative. OK. No surprises. I'm not telling you anything you don't know!
BUT, the Dems have made a HUGE turn to the left the past two elections. HUGE. They have NOTHING to say to moderate voters, let alone conservatives, right?
It therefore makes sense for him to go after this VAST middleground that the Dems have ignored. No matter how much it offends us -- and, yes, it offends me, too!!! -- it's GOOD politics. ns
Noel,Unlike some
May 13, 2008 - 19:30 ET by Chris NormanNoel,
That makes sense and unlike some conservatives, I'm willing to stomach a moderate Republican over Obama - hey, I had practice living through Nixon and Ford (albeit while kind of young) - not to mention both Bushes. I just hope he won't be a push-over in the election.
Noel
May 13, 2008 - 19:41 ET by jefflebowskiNoel, Obama and Hillary are courting the unwashed left now....but once one becomes the nominee, they will come off at least as (if not more so) conservative than McCain. The left will always vote for Obama but conservatives (or a lot of us) won't vote for McCain.
I agree with Noel, I
May 13, 2008 - 19:51 ET by general companyI agree with Noel, I think that half of the Clinton/Obama dems are going to vote for him, and weather you like it or not, he did get the most votes in our primaries as well. So I am thinking he will win in a landslide.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Noel... You say this is
May 13, 2008 - 20:01 ET by bigtimerNoel...
You say this is good politics..this is the second time I have seen you post as such...the time before you said good strategy...good for who Noel? Him? We shall see...he sure isn't getting any money or support.
Great strategy so far....he and his big-wigs are in some deep shite...yeah he is a genius, real rocket scientist at work...go for the left...that'll fix us conservatives...he and the geniuses at work behind the scenes are counting on people having no choice but him...well he is wrong when it comes to people like me and my husband...and I hardly think we are alone out here.
He has been a RINO in the Senate with a bad temper forever..and he has done numerous things that have hurt this country...oh but he's such a maverick doncha' ya know...the msm loves him, the leftists love him, guess that's all that matters, we sacrifice our principles to win at all costs...
Not me.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
If that's the case,
May 13, 2008 - 20:53 ET by fitzfongIf that's the case, Noel...and frankly, I don't think it is...McCain is being too clever by half. It's all well and good to pander to "the middle" because Clinton and Obama temporarily abandoned "the middle" for the left. But be certain of one thing...the Democrat nominee is going to be able to go back to the middle for the general election. McCain has stabbed conservatives in the back, and he's too ignorant and stubborn to apologize. When the nominations are in, he's going to be stranded. As it stands right now, I couldn't care less if Obama beats McCain. I am so sick and tired of getting lectures from McCain, Kristol, Barnes, Brooks et. al. about how we need to get behind McCain because we have no other choice. Sorry, I won't vote for this guy.
You are right about McCains
May 13, 2008 - 21:24 ET by general companyYou are right about McCains run to the middle, I am worried that his pandering will leave too many Repubs at home. Unfortunatly, we do need to turn the House and Senate around if either of these folks win the election. My fear is Obama with a Dem controled DC. I dont like McCain, but leaving the children home alone is far worse imo.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Noel, do you think McCain
May 13, 2008 - 19:17 ET by Chris NormanNoel, do you think McCain will realize, at some point, he's going to have to take the extra-padded gloves off and give as good as he gets?
Chris N, That means he needs to fight his way out of a
May 13, 2008 - 19:21 ET by upcountrywaterpaper bag first... So much for him to overcome.
The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
IranianUranium<sleep>New/Infrastructure/repair?/ROFLMAO
Noel, I agree. "We" would grind Obama into hamburger.
May 13, 2008 - 19:29 ET by R D HelmProblem is, "we" aren't running against Barry-O. McCain is.
He is delusional in that he really believes the MSM actually likes him. He could not be more wrong!
They are going to throw everything they have at the man. He is going to be so busy deflecting that stuff that he isn't going to have time to deal with Obama.
McCain's a$$ is going to be grass, and Obama, along with 95% of the MSM, is going to be the lawn mower, the weed-eater and the blower.
He is going to be mowed bald by the time November rolls around.
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
Ronald Regan in 08...not
May 13, 2008 - 19:35 ET by fishshakerRonald Regan in 08...not kidding either
fish,
May 13, 2008 - 20:27 ET by R D HelmYeah, and we all wish RR was on the ballot, too.
The only similarity between McCain and Ronald Reagan is their membership in the Republican Party.
However, only one of them was(is) conservative.
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
NS...
May 13, 2008 - 19:39 ET by PrairieSkyI hope you're right, but I'm not as sure as you are. I hope that once people get a good look at Obama, they will see him for who he really is. I do worry, though, that the MSM will continue to do everything in their power to keep Americans from learning the truth about him.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
But it won't be that he
May 13, 2008 - 20:09 ET by danboBut it won't be that he wins. It's that the democRATS lose. Lots of people won't vote for him rather than vote against Obama or Clinton if she steals it.
"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
I can't decide if I'll vote
May 13, 2008 - 18:43 ET by ApacheI can't decide if I'll vote for him because at least he's not a complete left-winger or not vote at all and let the left get what it wants without us getting the blame when they do. With McCain you get the left winger plus the blame. Either way, right now I’m saving my money in order to help survive either one.
Well duh...we really have
May 13, 2008 - 18:47 ET by DingbatWell duh...we really have no choice, as of right now, since BO is totally unacceptable. BUT, the more McCain decides to PO people like me, then that is when I'll just decide to stay at home.
I've emailed the RNC and suggested that they could save $ by sending the $ begging letters direct to Al Gore instead of me. So, yeah, I'll probably vote for Mc but the RNC will get zero $ from me until McCain at least creates the illusion of liking people like me.
I plan
May 13, 2008 - 19:58 ET by RebelOn voting for McCain but will hold my nose to do it.
Go WVU
Never vote for Byrd
I was on the fence....
May 13, 2008 - 19:08 ET by Chris McMullenNow I'm squarely not voting for McCain. It's bad enough I have to live in this brain-dead liberal corner of the state .. now I have to suffer through McPain actually <i>complimenting</i> Oregon's do-nothing Governor?!?
How insulting.
I wash my hands and feet of 'im.
While I still plan...
May 13, 2008 - 19:22 ET by PrairieSkyto vote for McCain, it seems that lately everytime he opens his mouth, he says something that reminds me why I was not an early supporter of his. I was first eligible to vote in 1980, and I have never been this unenthusiastic about the Republican presidential candidate.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
He could tell me that he
May 13, 2008 - 19:31 ET by USA4freedomHe could tell me that he himself with his bare hands could stop any problems with our climate and I still would not vote for him..
RNC.. are you reading these post??
If so you should be worried?
For the most part any conservative worth his salt hates this guy.
Way to go..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
NBers
May 13, 2008 - 19:29 ET by Noel SheppardNBers,
Would the folks saying they definitely won't vote for McCain as a result of this speech leave some comments as to why? Given my interest in AGW, I'm fascinated. ns
Noel answered a PM from me
May 13, 2008 - 19:36 ET by Chris NormanNoel answered a PM from me with the message that his battery was dying. He asked me to relay that to everyone here. I swear my messages don't burn out out batteries.
I will never vote for
May 13, 2008 - 19:36 ET by bigtimerI will never vote for McCain...he can stick it...just like he continues to stick it to conservatives.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Does anyone have a link to
May 13, 2008 - 19:42 ET by RESTLESS 1Does anyone have a link to the text or video of McCain's speech? I haven't heard or seen it yet, so I don't know if I should be PO'd or not. Thx.
i voted no change as my
May 13, 2008 - 19:51 ET byi voted no change as my vote is determined by NOT OBAMA.
(it will make me more likely to throw-up in my throat when i do vote though)
“i am the quixotic botg and i approved this message”
Rollercoaster
May 13, 2008 - 20:05 ET by PoeMangonelI sometimes start to think McCain might be tolerable when issues of such as Supreme Court justice nominations or the GWOT are discussed.
Then he makes a complete ass of himself with things like the manmade global warming issue. I then realize if he falls for global warming nonsense, he probably can be suckered on the SC or GWOT too.
God I am dreading this election.
Write rnc.org
May 13, 2008 - 20:11 ET by DingbatFolks, you're preaching to the choir. McCain doesn't give a Rat's behind what you think because he knows that when it comes down to it, you won't vote for BO.
Our only choice is to make his wife pay for it. Write RNC.org and tell them zero $ until McCain makes some illusion to being a conservative. Enough whining here.
Dingbat... Amen to that
May 13, 2008 - 20:19 ET by Clear thinkerDingbat...
Amen to that bro!
"Abstain from McCain"
I chose less likely, though
May 13, 2008 - 20:19 ET by ckc1227I chose less likely, though I will still be voting for McCain as of today. I'm not young enough to let juvenile excuses sway my vote, nor am I enough of a gambler to vote for certain disaster when another option is available in the hopes that a Conservative candidate will magically appear in 2012. And I'm not stupid enough to vote to have both arms removed when I could have voted to have only one removed.
Make no mistake about it though, McCain makes it harder and harder everyday, and with 6 months to go, he has plenty of time to alienate me completely.
Vote or no
May 13, 2008 - 20:17 ET by Clear thinkerVote or no vote...
Whether you or I vote for McCain won't make that much of a difference. I am still convinced that McCain will win in November. He will have to go up against Obama in the general election because Hillary will be burned at the stake if she pulls off stealing the nomination out from under Obama. There are huge numbers of Democrats that will never vote for a black man so I fully expect them to vote for the old white guy. It will be the racism in the Democrat party that puts McCain in the WH.
I was having second thoughts about my prediction when it was announced that Bob Barr would run as a Libertarian, but now that I have done a little more research I still feel comfortable with my prediction. McCain will win and we will have a Democrat in the White House.
"Abstain from McCain"
I can see it now, in 2010,
May 13, 2008 - 20:22 ET by Chris NormanI can see it now, in 2010, when President Obama has a joint press conference with Hugo Chavez and calls him "my friend", meanwhile, our taxes have been raised to cover the new nationalized health insurance passed by the Senate on a 76 - 24 vote, Alan Dershowitz has been just confirmed to the Supreme Court, and the Fairness Doctrine has been reinstated after being passed and signed into law. Now, all the people here who said that McCain and Obama are essentially the same and are waiting for a "real conservative" to emerge will post here that, "The plan for 2012 is all coming together...".
Chris... Hey, I said
May 13, 2008 - 20:38 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
Hey, I said McCain would win, so why so negative?
Everything will be just fine. <----I'm praying I'm right on this one.
"Abstain from McCain"
CT, Because, as much as I
May 13, 2008 - 21:04 ET by Chris NormanCT, Because, as much as I don't like McCain, I don't quite grasp the reasons behind the visceral - almost absolute hatred - of him. It seems like a lot of people are in a contest of one-upsmanship to see who can hurl the worst invectives at him. I reserve my special hostility for Barak Obama. If McCain damages the country, it will be only damage. I'm afraid, and I do believe this, that Obama has the potential to destroy the country.
Chris... Speaking for
May 13, 2008 - 21:41 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
Speaking for myself only... I'm sick and tired of McCain flipping me the bird!
"Abstain from McCain"
So this is personal? Look,
May 13, 2008 - 21:55 ET by Chris NormanSo this is personal? Look, McCain owes nothing to conservatives because we didn't vote for him (and he knows it) - so I'm not too awfully surprised he's not exactly trying to satisfy our demands. I'm not looking to him for strong conservative initiatives - just to keep Vladimir Obama out of the White House - in the absence of anyone else. I'll ask again, just which Conservative is waiting in the wings to rescue the GOP and lead it to victory in 2012?
Chris...and the
May 13, 2008 - 22:07 ET by bigtimerChris...and the conservatives owe him nothing...he is making sure of that in all of his arrogance.
Btw..Why do you keep ask who is waiting in the wings for 2012..only God and time really know that answer at the moment.
Sorry for the interruption here...just curious.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Conversely, we
May 13, 2008 - 22:09 ET by fitzfongConversely, we conservatives owe nothing to McCain.
As for a Conservative waiting in the wings to rescue the party in 2012...who knows, maybe the RNC can pluck some upwardly-mobile nobody state legislator to make an empty, platitude-riddled hope and change speech at the convention. That worked for somebody before, didn't it?
Damn right it's
May 13, 2008 - 22:09 ET by Clear thinkerDamn right it's personal!
There are quite a few out there that could easily take his place and win a general election by sticking to conservative values. We even had a few that ran against him and lost. They lost because of the way the primaries were set up. Conservatives did not elect McCain, it was Independents, and Democrats that were allowed to crossover that voted for him.
We also have a few as a new crop coming aboard for the 2012 election, Bobby Jindl for one.
You can defend McCain all you want, and you can even vote for him. I would never tell you to do otherwise. All that I would ask is... to have the same response to those of us that will NOT vote for him.
"Abstain from McCain"
I think Rush should..
May 13, 2008 - 20:34 ET by MightyMouth...start "Operation Clothes-pin".
Can you imagine millions of voters showing up at the polls in November with red white & blue clothes-pins attached to their noses? Each one ready and "willing" to vote for McCain!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MightyMouth... If you
May 13, 2008 - 22:15 ET by Clear thinkerMightyMouth...
If you listened to Rush today you would know that he is very unlikely to run an operation like that.
"Abstain from McCain"
Funny you should say that...
May 13, 2008 - 22:22 ET by MightyMouthI have my ditto cam running now.. He is comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlain. El Rushbo is in perfect form today and right on.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
For me, McCain's talk of
May 13, 2008 - 20:38 ET by MidAmericaFor me, McCain's talk of Global Warming is pehaps the same as when the other day I heard obama relaying his concerns for the military and ending the speech with a rousing "God Bless America". Both obama and McCain are going to get their nominations and so are trying to appeal to the others swing voters.
A lot of the conservatives problems are because Conservative Republicans aquired real power in 94 and then morphed into New Deal Republicans. So for at least 10 years we have actually had two versions of liberalism, the dems-fast liberalism and the Republicans-slow liberalism.
Remember Al Yankovic in UHF?
May 13, 2008 - 20:45 ET by hrb266John McCain is stooooopid!
Sadly I have to say
May 13, 2008 - 20:57 ET by LCT688That I have to agree with Ann Coulter about this guy, he just doesn’t get it. Whether he took one too many shots to the head as a POW or what, he just can't help going out of his way to stick his finger in the eye of the conservative base of the party. Her just thinks that given what an unmitigated disaster B.O. Plenty would be we have no other choice but to vote for his sorry ass. I'm just not convinced that he would be any better. I hate to say it about anyone, but could the party be saved by a massive coronary between now and the convention?
"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."
Alexander Hamilton
I have not heard this
May 13, 2008 - 21:13 ET by alamojbI have not heard this speech, but I decided a long time ago
I would not vote for McAmnesty. I see too many Mexican flags on US soil to support anyone supporting Amnesty. Plus the 47 or so Mexican Consulates handing out Matricular Consular cards - and a US federal government that approves them for banking, confirms to me there is a concerted effort to colonize the US with dual US/Mexican citizens en route to the NAU. ( I am not a 911 Truther, but I see that the European elite are using the Muslims in Europe to break the last of the Western Nationlism by demographic shifting en route to a EU/Mediterranean Suprastate)
Treaties like LOST make me even more convinced that Western Nations are under attack from within. Things like the Kyoto treaty are only one branch of that attatck.
McCain was annointed by the lib press to be the Republican nominee. There are 100 US Senators and for years before the official race begins McCain got disproportionate, regular, free, favorable press coverage.
I will be looking at the Libertarians or the Constitutionalist.
If McCain getting elected
May 13, 2008 - 21:10 ET by fitzfongIf McCain getting elected President is considered winning, I'd rather lose.
I'd like to kick his ass,
May 13, 2008 - 21:11 ET by charlietexasI'd like to kick his ass, but I'll still vote for him......is he just nutzzz or what??? what a jumer..............
the only "green" i'll give him is a booger.........right on his cheek.....
MOMMY
McCain is killing the party
May 13, 2008 - 21:21 ET by sam.i.amand the Republican platform.
He and Bush have made it impossible for the party to make any headway against the hapless democrats.
How can we be the party that's pro-growth,
when McCain wants to drastically cut CO2 emissions?
How can we be the party of free-markets,
if McCain wants to implement a cap-and-trade system for carbon?
How can we be the party of free speech,
when McCain limited free political speech with McCain-Feingold?
How can we be the party that respects the rule of law,
when McCain and Bush are in favor of amnesty for illegals?
How can we be the party of lower taxes,
when McCain argued against the tax cuts on class-warfare grounds?
In summation, we can't be Republicans with McCain as the titular head of the party.
At least I didn't lie
May 13, 2008 - 21:29 ET by pbthinkerI said my vote wouldn't change, and it won't. I just have to hold my nose a little tighter to vote for McCain. As disappointed as I am about his latest voyage into liberal lala land, he's still better than Obama or Hillary and I just don't feel we can take a chance on them getting in. It's all about judges, judges, judges. Hey, if we get lucky, maybe the judges will say cap and trade is unconstitutional. LOL
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
With a heavy Democrat
May 13, 2008 - 21:35 ET by fitzfongWith a heavy Democrat majority in the Senate, that eunuch isn't going to get any of his judges through. McLame is the architect of his own demise.
fitz... You've got that
May 13, 2008 - 21:59 ET by bigtimerfitz...
You've got that right about the Judges...even if they were moderate picks, it as simple as that...and you're right about your last line too...
Just posting this in case you haven't read my posts and opinions...they are along your lines to a tee.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
My guess is that this is exactly
May 13, 2008 - 22:10 ET by sam.i.amhow McCain will justify nominating "moderate" justices. He will flatly state that conservative justices won't be confirmed. He will "compromise". He is a senator, after all. And a RINO.
Yeah, just what we
May 13, 2008 - 22:17 ET by fitzfongYeah, just what we need...more empty Souters. McCain is making a really weak case that he'd be any better than the slop the DNC has to offer.
Obama wont have to worry
May 13, 2008 - 22:23 ET by general companyObama wont have to worry about getting his through. And that does'nt bother you,,,, more?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Honestly, gc, I don't think
May 13, 2008 - 23:15 ET by fitzfongHonestly, gc, I don't think McCain's picks will be any better or worse than Obama's. I see Obama getting the likes of Breyer and Ginsberg through. I see McCain getting the likes of Stevens and Souter through. A distinction without a difference...
BT, I have read your
May 13, 2008 - 22:12 ET by fitzfongBT,
I have read your opinions...and you're right. Kind of scary, isn't it? ;-)
Hate to disagree BT, but you cant be serious?
May 13, 2008 - 22:18 ET by general companyYou've got that right about the Judges...even if they were moderate picks,
Come on, this does'nt fly. So are you suggesting that Obama's or Clintons (oh yea, not giving up on the old bird just yet) would be better? I for one would rather have McCain middle of the road picks, then the loony tunes we should ALL expect from the left. Also if you agree (and I think you do) what benefit could this possibly be to our Country?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Hell, I don't even trust
May 13, 2008 - 22:22 ET by Clear thinkerHell, I don't even trust him to pick moderates.
Unless you consider someone like maybe Al Franken as a prime example of a moderate. I know I'm reaching, but I really do NOT trust this man!
"Abstain from McCain"
Yes, because J.P. Stevens
May 13, 2008 - 22:22 ET by fitzfongYes, because J.P. Stevens and David Souter...two choices of RINO Presidents...are so much better than Ginsberg and Breyer.
Hate to differ gp...but I
May 13, 2008 - 22:36 ET by bigtimerHate to differ gp...but I was using the term loosely when I said moderate when it comes to who I think McCain would really pick...just didn't want to rock the boat anymore than it is being rocked..thanks to the likes of the geniuses behind the scenes that have run this party into the ground for years now, and I especially include the likes of Kemp, Newt, Rove, and of course McCain.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
While I understand yours and
May 13, 2008 - 22:53 ET by general companyWhile I understand yours and many others concerns. I just simply refuse to just hand the left/kids the keys to the Vette. Sure McCain aint much, but whats the choice. If we all stay home, they will have the Vette and wreck in for sure. I am still going to vote and try to send DC sane individuals to represent me. I doubt I could give up even if I wanted to.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Have to vote McCain
May 13, 2008 - 22:57 ET by DelsaI don't want the kids with the keys to the Vette either.
I have a feeling that the
May 13, 2008 - 23:03 ET by CapitalismRulesI have a feeling that the bumper sticker on a lot of Vettes is going to be "Hold your nose.....vote for McCain."
If they have a bumper
May 13, 2008 - 23:07 ET by general companyIf they have a bumper sticker on a Vette, their a liberal for sure. No sane person would do that.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
LOL!
May 13, 2008 - 23:11 ET by MightyMouthTotally dude! I have never seen that! Some cars, bumper stickers refuse to adhere to!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
gp...now that is
May 13, 2008 - 23:12 ET by bigtimergp...now that is funny...true too!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Operation Clothes-Pin
May 13, 2008 - 23:07 ET by MightyMouthSee my comment above.. GMTA. :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
One thing about it
May 13, 2008 - 23:01 ET by bigtimerOne thing about it gp....the majority here always will vote...at least we all have that in common.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I sure hope so, but I have
May 13, 2008 - 23:14 ET by general companyI sure hope so, but I have a feeling folks are going to stay home in "protest" as if that will help anything. I seriously fear for our Repub reps in Nov, I am glade we had our vote to replace Jindel a couple of weeks ago, yes we are sending a Repub, but he barley won and our neighbors are sending a idiot of a Dem (in a conservative parish) I should add
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I give up.
May 13, 2008 - 21:58 ET by R D Helm*
RD
May 13, 2008 - 22:07 ET by Noel SheppardRD,
What will prevent the GOP from sending up an even farther left candidate say four, or even eight years hence?
As long as the Democrats continue their move to the left, nothing. However, if the Democrats get smart, and start moving to the right, then the Pubs will have to move to the right as well or we'll all become Democrats. It's happened before.
Frankly, I think that's the mistake the Dems made in 2002 when they shifted left and backed Pelosi as minority leader instead of Harold Ford. If they had shifted right at that time as the nation was heading to war, they would have been in a much stronger position than they are now.
Let's understand that both parties have been shifting left since the 2000 elections. Why? I don't know. But, as long as they both do, our only choice is to stick with the most right-leaning.
If we conservatives fail to act decisively now, then when?
The question depends on what you believe is decisive action. If you think sitting out the election, ceding power to the left, and hoping that will help you two and four years from now is decisive action, I don't, and neither does history. As I just wrote to CT, history shows us that if one party loses two consecutive elections after many years of control, this normally signifies a political sea change that can last decades.
I'm sorry, RD, but that's history. ns
I agree with you Noel
May 13, 2008 - 22:24 ET by Dee BunkI'll vote for McCain no matter what over Obama. It's still a huge difference. I don't think he stands a chance and I think Obama will win decisively, but my conscience will be clear.
No vote and third party votes are votes for Obama.
Interesting Thread
May 13, 2008 - 23:20 ET by dboLet's understand that both parties have been shifting left since the 2000 elections
Unfortunately, the sad reality is that even status quo government will mean we are taking a left turn (left being defined as government spending outstripping GDP). With the first wave of boomers now retiring, entitlement spending is going to gaurantee us double digit increases in spending even with no new programs. Just points out how critical it is to stop someone like Obama now. Obama would be worse than Carter or LBJ. I think the whole tone of this thread will be different post Denver. After 2 months of listening to him and his scary angry wife, I think the majority of republicans will come home to McCain, albeit with some reservations.
Noel,
May 14, 2008 - 01:35 ET by R D HelmI think what really concerns a lot of us is this:
Many conservatives are seriously miffed at the behavior of the Republican Party in the years since 1994. They told us they were going to do certain things, then began to backtrack almost immediately.
During the George W. Bush presidency, the party of "fiscal restraint" and "smaller government" presided over what was quite literally the doubling in the size and scope of said government. They cannot blame this insanity on the democrats, as they were in control of both houses of congress, as well as the White house, when this heresy occurred.
It sometimes appears to me that the republicans, in the space of seven years, managed to make up for the growth of government the dems were seeking, but were prevented from realizing, during the Reagan years.
This was decidedly bad behavior on their part, and utterly contrary to the principals the party supposedly embraced almost twenty-eight years ago.
Many of us feel that voting for their latest offering, who is viewed as being well to the left of even our current centrist-left president, will serve to only reward, and thus reinforce, said bad behavior, thus breeding more of it in the future.
At some point, this hideous cycle of bad behavior has to be broken if we are to survive as a nation, as the entitlement train-wreck is fast approaching.
Bob Barr in '08. And no, I am not kidding.
With Democrat wins tonight it
May 13, 2008 - 22:00 ET by Delsajust goes to show that when Republicans try to be Democrats they loose.
If McCain keeps this up, he will loose too. After all, why vote for a pretender when you can vote for the real thing?
Republicans who do not set themselves apart from the Dems will loose this november.
ANd another thing, When did Huckelberry go to MSNBC?
Now that it takes 60 votes
May 13, 2008 - 22:52 ET by Delsato confirm a Supreme Court Justice, my guess is McCain will not get anyone through the nomination process.
If we still have some conservatives in the Senate they can prevent the 60 votes.
If not then we are screwed
Good point.
May 14, 2008 - 02:07 ET by CTWhat we need now is to identify Conservatives in the Senate and the House that wont be affraid to oppose McCain from the gitgo. Other than the war in Iraq there is very little I feel comfortable about with McCain and I will not trust him or his judgement for a second.
I voted no change
May 13, 2008 - 22:53 ET by candanceI mentally detached myself from this election months ago and am not surprised by McCain in any way. Honestly, I'm surprised that people on NB are actually surprised by McCain's speech. He's been on the "go green" bandwagon for a while now so his speech was pretty much old news.
And I don't think Noel's
May 13, 2008 - 22:55 ET by Delsabattery died.
I think he was watching American Idol.
just sayin
Delsa
May 13, 2008 - 23:04 ET by Noel SheppardDelsa,
Take a peek a what time Chris posted that I had PMed him about my battery dying. Hint hint...I'm on the West Coast. ;-) ns
Well what do I know?
May 13, 2008 - 23:08 ET by DelsaActually, I thought the time was off but why would a little thing like the clock stop me?
If nothing else come of this
May 13, 2008 - 23:13 ET by USA4freedomIf nothing else come of this I would like to hope that the primaries change.
Make them all on one day, have the person that wins the most get the Pres. nod, the person with the second most get the VP.
Why is it that the parties get to pick the VP and not us.
I want Republicans only in our primaries. Not what we had this year in New Hampshire. (even though operation Chaos is sweet revenge).
Noel,
I agree its somewhat smart politics, but I want more then that.
I have said for years: Patriot- first
Conservative-second
Republican- third
Someone, a few years ago won 49 states based on conservative ideas.
Are we to become the Clintons, with their triangulation?
I do understand the chess match ideas but I don’t believe the RNC understands the rage that is going on in the base.
My wife looks at me like I have lost my mind when I tape bricks to the fund raising letters they send to me. ( I haven’t got one in awhile), maybe they got the hint..
When they tell us: shut up, we will do what we want with the fence. If you don’t like it T/S.
We will put border patrol in jail at the drop of a hat.
Or Bush taking the sides of a murder from Mexico that murdered two girls in Texas
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/SCOTUS/story?id=4520197&page=1
http://www.murdervictims.com/Voices/jeneliz.html
After we lost in 2006, you might think..hey we have to do something different. Did we?? Not only no, but hell no. Same spending, same big government, still no fence, (we can fund one in Egypt but cant seem to get it done here). Same earmarks, same leadership in the RNC.
The DNC runs conservative people against us and win.
I wrote letters to the RNC telling them to run adds promoting conservative ideas, long before the election. With out party labels, ideas of R.R. Strong defense, small government, low taxes, self reliance, no nanny state. How our country was founded on these great ideas. How important God was to our founding fathers. How important the right to bare arms was.
We have to teach, they are not getting it in schools.
How wonderful and generous this great country is.
How conservative ideas work and liberal ones do not.
I got no response all I got was a poll asking me what did I think of immigration, taxes, the war, etc..etc.. and in the end you get the: put the check in the envelope..
Just, shut up and send us your money
Sorry this post is chopped up but its late..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
Make them all on one day,
May 13, 2008 - 23:48 ET by general companyMake them all on one day, have the person that wins the most get the Pres. nod, the person with the second most get the VP
I also agree with this, but the nominee should get to choose his own VP. Or at least have them within 4 weeks or so. The cash needed would be far less giving Canidates a better chance. I for one feel quite the same about most of this,edit.
One more thing, I have written Jendil (will also ask him in person next time I get the opportunity)and have asked him to decline any VP request. I want him to serve our state long enough to straighten it out (and he will) and then we will elect him CiC, because we will need him by then.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
On a related McCain matter...
May 13, 2008 - 23:08 ET by PrairieSkyNewsmax is reporting today that a source close to McCain's campaign says that Huckebee is at the top of his veep list. Lord, give me strength...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Sky
May 13, 2008 - 23:16 ET by DelsaIf that is McCain's choice for VP it may be more than I could handle.
I cannot vote for Huck so I'd be voting only for the downline guys.
That would be a deal breaker for me.
End of story.
Yeah Delsa...but he's
May 13, 2008 - 23:24 ET by bigtimerYeah Delsa...but he's been starring on msnbc tonight...that Huck, he's something.
Doesn't that all make a difference?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
You know bigtimer
May 13, 2008 - 23:30 ET by DelsaI mentioned seeing him on MSNBC and asked earlier if anyone knew when he started on the tube?
Needless to say he fits in with that gang of fools.
Makes my skin crawl. The Huckster at it again.
Delsa...
May 13, 2008 - 23:28 ET by PrairieSkyIt may be more that I can handle, too. I honestly can't believe the options that we are faced with this election year. As a Republican, I feel absolutely stuck, with no good choices. The likely Democrat, Obama, is out of the question, and McCain is barely acceptable largely because he's not Obama (or Hillary, if a miracle were to happen for her). I don't even want to think about Huckelberry coming on board. Oh brother...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
At this point, I am ready
May 13, 2008 - 23:09 ET by Gary P JacksonAt this point, I am ready to start over. Either crash the convention, or start a real comon sense third party. Nothing silly like the libertarian, or Constitutional party. But soomething based in law, and commerce.
I am done with McCain. If you look up "jump the shark" on your computer, you will be taken to video of his speech yeasterday.
Gary
May 13, 2008 - 23:22 ET by DelsaI was thinking. Maybe it will be our convention that surprises everyone.
Maybe McCain will not win on the first ballot and a savior will emerge.
We do have one candidate with a suspended campaign?
I'm going to say my prayers every night.
Delsa... Amen. "Never
May 13, 2008 - 23:28 ET by bigtimerDelsa...
Amen.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Gary I’m with you. I just
May 13, 2008 - 23:21 ET by USA4freedomGary
I’m with you. I just want to puke. Huckebee.. ohhh give me a break. Though I do like his tax ideas but they will not get any where.
Why, oh why did Allen mess up...
I would guess there a quite a few people like us that are ready to toss in the towel.. and are now looking for a new home.
It just a few years ago that Rove was talking how they could hang on to power for years..
Hey, is that ice up ahead??
Said the captain of theTitanic..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
Like I say...Wake up!
May 13, 2008 - 23:47 ET by jefflebowskiWhy would anyone not expect McPain to choose someone along the lines of Hucksterbee?
Thank you Republican (Wussypants) party!
Third Party
May 14, 2008 - 00:46 ET by geoff.galeGary, I think we'll see a third party come out of this two year drama, but not until after the election in the fall. Both parties are doing their level best to trash their respective constituencies. Look at the damage in the Democrat camp that the "elitism" of BHO has caused. We can see the damage that McCain is causing with his stances on immigration and climate change. I think there are enough disgruntled Democrats and Republicans who can find common ground in issues that have to do with nationalism. This has been the trend in Europe for the past ten years and, I see the same trend occuring here.
Immigration, border security, taxes, size of government, return to majority rule rather than oppression by minorities, control of renegade court, media and educational sectors, hyper-political correctness - these are issues that will fuel the move toward nationalism. There are a hell of a lot of people who're ready to get behind a movement that helps restore the country to her glory days.
As for this election, I think McCain will win, but he'll do it without my vote and the votes of a lot of other former Republicans.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)
www.conservativeboot...
A few words of reassurance for all of my conservative friends
May 14, 2008 - 01:06 ET by JerA few words of reassurance for all of my conservative friends wringing their hands over the looming judicial calamity if, godforbid, a Democrat is elected president this November.
The Democrats have appointed a grand total of two justices to the Supreme Court in the past forty years. It is true that two or three of the Republican appointments have drifted leftward while on the Court, but the fact remains that there are probably a substantial number of NewsBusters members who weren't even born when liberals last constituted the majority of justices.
Furthermore, the only current justice who is an odds-on lock to retire during the next presidential term is John Paul Stevens--one of the court's most reliable liberals [a Republican who shifted left]. Accordingly, even if Obama is elected, the only sure appointment he will be able to make in the next four years will be a replacement for Stevens--at best an ideological wash. Barring the unexpected, that would still leave a right-leaning majority: Conservatives Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts, plus the center-right Kennedy vs. liberals Stevens [or his replacement], Ginsburg, David "empty" Souter [thanks fitz] and the center-left Breyer.
Additionally, inasmuch as there have only been two Democratic presidents since 1968, the federal judiciary has become well-stocked with Republican/conservative judges for the forseeable future.
And finally, the Democrats just gained a gubernatorial majority two years ago after twelve years of Republicans enjoying a plurality of governors. That means there is also ample representation of conservative judges at the state level.
There now, feel better?
Jer
Today McCain is quite happy with himself.
May 14, 2008 - 02:17 ET by CTNext I expect inappropriate laughing as he grins at himself in a mirror.
I wonder what his poll numbers will be without conservative Republican votes if there is such a thing?
Carbon Credits Smoke'em if you got'em!
»→ Less likely
May 14, 2008 - 06:23 ET by Cool ArrowBut overall I'm more likely to vote McCain as a result of Hillary's sinking chances.
Honestly, I could vote for Hillary more easily than Nodraw McCain.
Throw a good conservative VP choice into the mix and I'll vote McCain.
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Vote for McCain.....
May 14, 2008 - 07:02 ET by Oiznop...and hold your nose tightly....Please, Please, Please, those of you who say you will not vote...You must vote for McCain....If you don't, you will be handing this election to Obama...And an Obama administration will kill this country....Politics is and always has been about the lesser of the evils....At no other time has this been held more true as now...We litterally have three evils.....McCain is the lesser of the three ...Our choices are limited.....We have left, lefter, and leftest.....Please, don't sit out this election because of it....It is extremely important that you don't!!!!......If Obama gets in as a result of your actions, I guarantee you will be extremely sorry!
Oiz
McCain Won't be Seated in Office Because He was Born in Panama
May 14, 2008 - 07:24 ET by BritcomThere goes your theory. Now what?
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
London's New Mayor is natural born US citizen!
May 14, 2008 - 09:13 ET by Jack BauerHey Britcom...
I know this is your mission, so I thought you might like this story ..
The newly elected Mayor of London is, in fact, a natural born US citizen.. and would seem (by your reckoning) to be more qualified to run for President than John McCain.
For a start -- Johnson is actually a conservative...
Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.
Yes, I am quite familiar with the commie b*st*rd he beat
May 14, 2008 - 11:33 ET by BritcomHe made Hillary look like a George Washington.
Bravo.
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Oiznop
May 14, 2008 - 10:06 ET by DelsaI'm holden . I'll do what I can to defeat Obama
McCain is a Hypocrite
May 14, 2008 - 19:36 ET by BritcomIf John McCain and the other Global Warming alarmists are so concerned about the effect of carbon dioxide (CO2) on the environment, then how come they are not calling for a ban on all Carbonated Beverages!?!
Including all of that BEER that McCain's wife's multi-million dollar beer distribution business ships to all of those "Joe six-pack" voters in Arizona?
Hmmm?? Can anyone answer that?
If Global Warming were true, then McCain and his wife are two of the worst climate criminals in the US and worse yet, McCain has been using the profits from his wife's pollution business to get himself elected President! I'll bet you never thought about that one did you? Good thing Global Warming is a farce, isn't it?
Now what was it McCain said he was going to do about Global Warming? Oh, yeah he said he believes in it and he is going to fight it with our tax dollars.
What's wrong with this picture?
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
"Global Warming" is a HOAX
May 14, 2008 - 08:08 ET by ballwana13"Global warming" is a hoax perpetrated by environmentalist whacko liberals who want higher taxes and bigger governments.
Man can't control or influence climate. Pollution (that '70's word that was used before "global warming" became a popular phrase) is messy and is much lower than it has been over much of the past 150 years. Despite that, wearen't influencing the weathe, the climate and there is NOT a disaster wating to happen if we use fluorescent bulbs versus regular old incandescent bulbs.
no bho in '08
May 14, 2008 - 08:31 ET by mytwocentsI will hold my nose tightly and vote against bho and not for McCain. I truely dispise McCain. I dispise the fact that the RNC and the insiders in DC have decided that the party was too far right to suceed. I live in NC and our state has been overrun by illegal aliens and am still looking for someone to step up and do what is right to secure the borders. I dispise the climate change hoax and all the mayheim that will ensue if we do not turn this thing around soon. I dispise the fact that he is such a friend of the environmentalists and I don't see that changing. McCain-Feingold has all but ruined the political process in my opinion. I fear that if all of you who are as PO'd as I am do not vote, that the young people and uninformed people will manage to sweep bho into office and truely distroy this country. I will vote against bho.
here here
May 14, 2008 - 11:53 ET by metroxwell said
Maybe McCain will NOT be confirmed by the convention...maybe we'll get someone else, we can only hope
Definitely vote this November
May 14, 2008 - 08:34 ET by expatriotEveryone needs to vote this November and help to take back the senate and house. It will not matter one iota who the POTUS is if we can get conservative representatives back into both houses. I get to vote absentee since I am overseas and believe me the others over here are planning on voting.
Not sure where Bob Barr is going to come out but it appears that his entrance is going to have a Perot or Nader effect on the Republicans. That could be bad for POTUS but don't forget we also get to vote for our representatives.
»→ Definitely vote
May 14, 2008 - 08:41 ET by Cool ArrowWhy shouldn't we just vote Meerkat Obama in and be done with racism in America forever?
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Cool Arrow
May 14, 2008 - 10:08 ET by DelsaNow you've got it!
I don't see Obombastar..as BLACK
I see him as an American Hating Socialist! and that goes for his wife too!
»→ Right on Delsa
May 14, 2008 - 11:08 ET by Cool ArrowImagine being able to refute any charge of racial bias with "I voted for Obama"
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Agree...
May 14, 2008 - 09:32 ET by TheDeuceCan't vote for either of these dems...McCain gets my vote by default. In that vein, I hope we get more conservatives in congress to keep him from following dems on everything.
»→ No chance Deuce
May 14, 2008 - 11:06 ET by Cool ArrowCongress will sink even further into self indulgent Democrat Liberalism for the next two elections.
Our Republicans have stunk the place up that much.
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Heard It Before
May 14, 2008 - 10:05 ET by JoelCTLook, I know you have heard it before. But listen again, please.
Most people are convinced that Stevens and Ginsburg are going to leave the Court during the next Presidency. Ginsburg is 75, and Stevens just turned 88 last month.
If Clinton or Obama gets elected, you are guaranteed that they will be replaced by two more Ginsburgs, or maybe worse.
With McCain, we may get a Kennedy and a Alito. Yes, maybe only a Kennedy and a Souter, but I will take that ANY DAY over two more Ginsburgs.
Whatever else comes with McCain, we can deal with on a grassroots level. The Supreme Court is all that really matters.
<edit> I was thinking "Stevens" but wrote "Souter" as far as who is retiring. I don't know why. Stevens will be 90 during the next Presidency.
»→ Can't do it Joel
May 14, 2008 - 11:12 ET by Cool ArrowSorry, but I've got this burning desire to end racism in America forever.
Only way to do it is vote Obama.
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No Impact
May 14, 2008 - 10:52 ET by Wildcatter1980McCain's speech has no impact because none of the remaining presidential candidates is even opposing the premise that humans are THE reason the climate is changing let alone suggesting anything other than measures that will drastically and seriously harm humans economically.
Alamo
May 14, 2008 - 11:57 ET by RayRioI am also looking into the Constitution Party. I have read their platform and is more in line with my conservative ideas. The Republican Party has now morphed into another democrat party. I just might vote for the Constitution Party presidential candidate and then vote republican on all the remaining candidate as a protest vote.
I knew McCain was
May 14, 2008 - 15:14 ET by fonzie2178a lib long before he made this speech. Not surprising, doesn't change my vote. I'm voting for my conservative choices for congress who will be able to keep in check whichever of the 3 libs we end up stuck with for the next four years.
"It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."
fonz... Same
May 14, 2008 - 15:17 ET by bigtimerfonz...
Same here.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I just heard
May 14, 2008 - 16:59 ET by DelsaRepublican Rep. Jim Davis ( I think from california), who used to be in charge of getting Republicians elected to congress, say that in order to be elected, they had to distance themselves from Bush AND they had to do something about the housing crisis and .....in other words he wants the republicans to act more like democrats.
Is he out of his mind? Are they out of their minds? He is looking to loose the house FOREVER!
I am really sickend by what he said. Saw him on FOX.
Also I gather the dem who won a seat last night is a CONSERVATIVE Dem?
Delsa... I didn't see it
May 14, 2008 - 17:05 ET by bigtimerDelsa...
I didn't see it but I think you must be talking about Davis from Va. he is a real piece of work, he has been part of the problem for us for a long long time...we go any further to the left and we are sunk, as far as I am concerned we already are.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 14, 2008 - 17:59 ET by DelsaYep
Tom Davis of VA
I'm brain dead
Delsa, Hardly...I knew
May 14, 2008 - 18:40 ET by bigtimerDelsa,
Hardly...I knew who you meant because I have watched these pieces of work too many years and been nothing but infuriated...we all can't remember these twits names...and by the way, they still do not get it, why we are losing on our side...people like Davis is a prime example...I was glad for the info.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
And Edwards is
May 14, 2008 - 17:08 ET by Delsaendorsing Obama.
I think that is the dem ticket!
Obama-Edwards
Delsa... Yeah I'm
May 14, 2008 - 17:16 ET by bigtimerDelsa...
Yeah I'm watching the msm make a big deal out of this now...
I've been waiting breathlessly for this...how about you?
They are really sticking it to Hill though...especially waiting til after her big win last night.
There they go eating each other up again....oh well...our party is in enough trouble too.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 14, 2008 - 18:02 ET by DelsaI never thought I'd feel sorry for her but I'll be dipped...
I do
LOL I know what you mean..I
May 14, 2008 - 18:10 ET by bigtimerLOL I know what you mean..I never thought I would be pulling for her either...in a million years...but what they are doing to her tonight after the trouncing she gave Obama and more to come to him in more states, the blood is in the water...and the sharks are about to devour her.
They don't call it blood sport for nothing...and the Clintons have reaped what they have sown too.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
May 14, 2008 - 18:22 ET by DelsaDo you think the way they are treating the Clinton's is due to the fact they are so disliked by the left, the Dems, and the MSM?
I think if the Clinton's couldn't raise money for the Dems they would have been dismissed long ago?
What do you think?
Delsa... Oh yeah...the
May 14, 2008 - 18:30 ET by bigtimerDelsa...
Oh yeah...the stranglehold the Clinton machine has had on people in the msm and the party has been something else...but the rats don't jump ship til they feel safe here...and their fake messiah is the answer in their eyes.
He is the man...and there is nothing the Clintons can do about it now...unless they really have some so called Oct. surprise they pull out soon...like was suggested about a week ago...the soap opera continues.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
McCain and Global Warming
May 14, 2008 - 17:38 ET by canuckThe guy is either stupid or pandering...either way he is acting like a Dem and should be treated as such.
This all reminds me...
May 14, 2008 - 18:23 ET by David N MOI'm sick and tired of getting the surveys from the Republican party. They should already know my answers to their childish questions and should have followed my desires 10 years ago. Damned idiots.
I would never vote for a Markist like Clinton or Obama and the only way in this election to defeat them is to go for McCain even though his ideas to combat global warming thoroughly p*ssed me off.
Years ago I laughed at the global conspiracy "nuts". But after seeing Bush commit political adultry and both partys go pro "LOST" treaty and pro NAFTA super highway I now thinking there is an "over-government" taking control. Just look how hard that North Korean petty dictator got slapped down.
I hope i'm not around to see the collapse of our country.
From my position you'd never guess that I really am a "glass is half full" kind of guy would you?
David
May 14, 2008 - 18:32 ET by DelsaI am so understanding of where you are coming from. My brother has thought of globalist conspiracys for ever.
We will all vote (speaking for my family) for McCain. Even my 19 year old son sees Obama for what he is.
He will vote for McCain.
Off the subject a little...Chris Matthews just said he'd vote so that race is not an issue/
I take it to mean he is voting for Obama so that the world will see we are not racists.
I think these liberals are crazy.
I'm sixty so I may not live to see the crap hit the fan.
Juan McAmnesty
May 14, 2008 - 19:11 ET by Free StinkerI would like to thank Senator McCain for reminding us why we should vote for the Libertarian candidate (if they don't nominate another isolationist) or write-in "Fred Thompson"
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
Free, Bob Barr in '08!
May 14, 2008 - 22:20 ET by R D HelmLOL-BTW, when both Ct and myself are banished to Siberia by the PTB here at NB for our expressing our disdain for McCain, will you come hang out with us for a brew or three? Hell, I'll even buy the first two rounds.
Should be a real hoot. :-)
Please change my vote
May 14, 2008 - 20:14 ET by Apachehttp://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080514112623.aspx
Please change my vote to "Definitely won't vote for him". I'd rather we suffer four years under a declared liberal to ensure our voice will be heard loudly four years later than risk eight years of McCain. Even four years of McCain would mean a real republican couldn't be an option. If we keep voting for the lesser evil, we just slow the slide and ease us into self destruction. Best to take the hit and let everyone see what we are complaining about. Take ethanol. They had to watch people die before they could even start to understand burning food was a bad idea. Don't slowly acclimate America into a liberal wasteland. Let people get dunked in it so they wake up.
Decision on McCain
May 14, 2008 - 22:29 ET by PeacolaUp untill this climate change speech, I was going to hold my nose and vote for McCain. I still intend to vote, but not for a President. I'll leave that space blank.
Maybe with Obama, Pelosi and Reid calling the shots, the Replulican leadership will get the message and begin to act like Conservatives instead of Democrat wanna bees. Obviously they now believe that the path to leadership is by acting like Moderates.
Note to RNC: Read these
May 14, 2008 - 23:44 ET by USA4freedomNote to RNC:
Read these post, here, on town hall, red state, etc etc.
You should be $hitting in your pants.
We are as pissed off as I have ever seen, from over spending, no dam fence, earmarks, global warming BS, ball-less leadership., left leaning BS! etc. etc.
You better hope Juan Mc Cain wins the middle because a large percent of us are really looking for another party. (we are not just blowing off steam) we really fed up. Too many %&*#@ sandwiches.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
McCain on warming
May 15, 2008 - 12:50 ET by Johnny LucidAppropos your poll above, make me number 789 (approx.) who, rather than hold his nose to vote for McCain in November, will either stay home or vote Libertarian!