If you look at the history of the Iowa primary, a win can actually be a kiss of death, but usually only favor's the incumbent president and GWB isn't running. I think Hillary is still very much alive in this one.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
It's hard to say. Is there any difference among the leading Democrats regarding ethanol-welfare subsidies? To me it was interesting how few people overall bothered to go spend an hour or so in a weird state voting ritual. To me it sounds like it might be a fun option, but I confess that I love the convenience of Florida's "mail it in and forget about going to the election" option, too.
And over on the Daily Paul, rumors abound of Des Moines HQ database human-error/nonbackup, or maybe hardware screw-up, or maybe malicious "hacking." This rumor, if true, might or might-not have made any difference in the outcome, and it further might or might-not be covered by the news media, fairly or unfairly. I don't know what to either hope-for or expect given so many variables! This comment seems to indicate it's probably the usual -- human errors blamed on software the humans were trying to use.
JMR
I don't believe that this was a vote FOR Osama Bama - it was a vote AGAINST Shmillary! Her left-coast narcissism is what caused her to take a hit and take a hit she did! This is going to follow her for the rest of the campaign.
Shmillary has just found out that she is a legend in her own mind.
Republicans should "be careful what you wish for!" Obama or Edwards, but especially Obama IMO, would be far tougher general election candidates than Hillary. Both might also be less likely to get-out any residual conservative "anybody but another Clinton" votes, and some of those voters are Democrats.
JMR
I think Obama's appeal to the left is wide and he would be tougher to defeat than the Hildebeast...but at the same time, I think Edwards' appeal is fervent but fairly narrow.
I don't believe that this was a vote FOR Osama Bama - it was a vote AGAINST Shmillary!
I agree, but the Clinotnistas are in a state of denial. Check out this article at Yahoo.
Dem strategist Donna Brazile is spinning like a top. If you can believe it, after Obama ate HRC's lunch, and after this:
A survey of Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa found that by a margin of
52 percent to 20 percent, more Democrats said they wanted a candidate
who could bring about change than said they were seeking a candidate
with the proper experience.
Brazile actually has the nerve to say "It's hard to detect any signs of Clinton fatigue in a Democratic primary,"
Well I guess it is, if you have your eyes closed, and your fingers in your ears, singing LALALALALA!
The article also brings up Bill's tendency to talk about himself instead of his wife.
It's an interesting article, especially considering it's from the AP. Go read the whole thing.
I guess you didn't get down to my other post below:
Rush was saying yesterday that his sources tell him Her Royal
Clintoness has a bag of mud on Obama that she will eventually let fly.
Not the drug thing from high school, because that is already out, but
more, and worse.
No one knows how to do the "politics of personal destruction" better than the Clintons
I've often wondered why a California judge agreed to release Jack and Jeri Ryan's sealed custody documents [concerning their son], which caused Jack Ryan to drop out of the 2004 senate race against Obama. The repubs brought in Alan Keyes from out-of-state, voters didn't like the 'carpetbagger' aspect, and Obama became a Senator. I know it was reporters that started to push the issue, but why would a judge agree that protecting the child from the sexual allegations in the documents was not as important as pointing a finger at a senate candidate [the allegations, as far as I know, were not proven]
Chai
“We must learn to live each day as a unique opportunity to make everything new” - Henri Nouwen
Because the welfare of the child was just a figleaf in the first place. The Family Law system is run by adults, for the benefit of adults, the kids be damned. Of the 200,000 kids a year who are abused in the US, half of the abusers of those kids were hand picked by the Family Law judge. The truth is found in the results, not the rhetoric.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
The Ryan allegations had nothing to do with child abuse. What sealing the records was supposed to protect the child from was learning what the mother accused the father of wanting her to participate in.
And the point of my first post was that Obama became a senator because Ryan was forced out of the race.
Chai
“We must learn to live each day as a unique opportunity to make everything new” - Henri Nouwen
I've often wondered why a California judge agreed to release Jack and Jeri Ryan's sealedcustody documents [concerning their son] Point 1, why did the court do what it did? I answered it. Point 2, Ryan forced out of race. You answered your own rhetorical question. Point 3, Who is so sleazy as to expose a child to damaging information for the sake of advancing their own agenda over the potential harm to the child? Answer: Obama and company. Did Obama himself bemoan or condemn the act? If he didn't, then he is just as vicious as Her Majesty.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
There was a comment about Hillary taking some rough treatment, in New Hampshire, last night. There's a little debate about whether she was booed or not. What I noticed, about the points in question, was her message about fighting the Republicans to the finish. Obama seems to be welcoming Republicans, Democrats, and Independents in his camp, while the Clinton's want to make this another us against them campaign. Maybe, just maybe, the majority of voters are sick of the fighting and want someone they feel will unite the country. The only way Hillary can unite the country is to vanquish the Republicans, since she certainly doesn't have the message that will persuade them.
Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.
If you remember back to the first Clinton Administration, it was froth with new "crisis" every week, intertwined with one scandal after another. The crisises were "created" to draw attention away from the scandal de jour. Running parallel to these two ongoing tracks where the divide and conquer mentality of the Clintons. It was always about class warfare, "lets you and him fight", the haves and the have nots, class envy and spreading the wealth equally among those who provide the wealth and those who sit on their butts and provide nothing to the betterment of the nation. That old saw might not be selling to the masses like it did then.
It will be difficult but I will try to hold back the tears.I actually dont hate her.I do hate all she stands for and her actions. With her it isnt about her being a Dem it is about how despicable she and Bill are.The clintons and Gore when time passes will be shown to be the worse of all the polticians we have had in this country.
and it is unbelievable the difference in the questioning by both Gibson and the local TV guy. Serious in the Republican segment and all smiles and joking in the Democrats. Also, I commented about how the audience has clapped and cheered during the second half and how no one has stopped them. No one clapped or cheered during the Republican debate - perhaps because Republican audiences believe in OBEYING the rules that were laid down by Gibson before the show began. No audience participation. As usual, the Democrat audience ignored any such restrictions. And the beat goes on...............
People seem to forget who we're talking about here. An extremely evil person. She has many more tricks up her sleeve. You think this loss is going to affect her? Nope. If anything, she's on a rampage now. I would have loved to been a fly on her hotel room wall that night. I bet someone had hell to pay for. And I bet there was much butt kissing from her entourage.
Rush was saying yesterday that his sources tell him Her Royal Clintoness has a bag of mud on Obama that she will eventually let fly. Not the drug thing from high school, because that is already out, but more, and worse.
No one knows how to do the "politics of personal destruction" better than the Clintons.
What's funny is, of all the politicians trying to bring up dirt, the Clinton's are probably the worst. It's like they can say anything and people can bring up lying under oath, Oval Office trysts, lying to his cabinet members, Hillary and her famous "Vast right wing conspiracy, talk on the Today Show.
When the Democrats were supporting President Bill to the hilt, I always hoped it would come back to haunt them. Perhaps, in a subtle way, I may get my wish, it won't haunt the Democrats but it will haunt Hillary and Bill. In a way, I'd settle for that.
Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.
It affects her chances a lot! Notwithstanding the fact that the Iowa caucus winner is not usually the nominee, we have been flooded with the inevitability of a Hillary nomination. So much has been poured into promoting that inevitability that any chink in the armor can lead to a greater rift and possibly the outright failure of her campaign. Now you will really start to see questions of her electability with the general population.
I think the loss in Iowa stung her and her band of "it's invitably me" admirers. However, this is far from over; she has a ton of money, a ton of MSM shrills (and the comback kid stuff has already started), and she's ruthless. Having said that, there's also a sense, just maybe, that there's a ground swell occurring as it relates to the "baby boomers" versus the "gen xers" - people just may be noticing that a vote for her is a vote for yesterday, and they're tiring of the same old people, with the same old venom, and the same old promises. They want something new. Keep something in mind, there's also some noise being made by a group of politcial savvy folks from both parties, who will meet this weekend to try and 'find a way' to change the political tone. Now, it's early, but it's something that should be paid attention to, because one of the participants is Mayor Bloomberg from NY. To me, the undercurrent of change is not for Hillary's change, it's for dramatic change and that may spell Obama or Candiate X (any ideas who that may be Mr. Mayor.
It's all about perception. It matters because she put a lot of effort into it and bill put himself into it and still she came in third. Had she avoided Iowa or at least put in less effort it wouldn't have hurt as much. Now instead of the persona that she is an ex-president running for re-election she is just a senator running for president.
They knew she was going to bomb. Bill was out in the days before the vote, saying that she didn't expect to win; she was going in there to show that she's not afraid to lose. He also recounted how many states he lost before he won.
It's a different situation though...he outlasted people that dropped out....Obama and Edwards are NOT going to drop out.
I suppose they thought that the guys would just step aside for her, like Nita Lowey did in NY.
NOT!! LOL I think she's going to get roughed up a lot more. The only thing that can save her is if they run out of money, because she has more than anyone right now.
I'm right there with you! I wish they would just go away, the pair of them. But unfortunately, she will go back to the Senate, and end up "the Liberal Lioness" to match Kennedy's Lion. Probably for just as long, too.
Barak Obama will not be the nominee at the DNC, but the fat lady that you here is warming up for Hillary as she is about 3 minutes to toast.
IF and IF Hillary can jump in the polls to second, the summer will be one very sexual, criminal and nasty one for Dame Hamrod. The cartel put her on notice about her illegal funding which is quite criminal. The cartel also laid the groundwork for Hillary's lezbo luv fest with her assistant. I have stated the DNC operatives have hinted quite loudly that right wing CIA operatives HAVE evidence of Bill's boinking and one would include from the leaks, Hillary making deep sighs with a lesbian between the sheets.
That is why Bill was beaming at Hillary's loss as he knows he will be ruined. Hillary is taking a dive to save face, but people have seen nothing yet about what is in store for Dame Hamrod if people vote for her.
It honestly would be worth it to have it all come out........so vote often you crooked DNC voters, let's give Hillary and Bill the stage they so lust after and YouTube a summer of downloads of reality movies........
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If you look at the
January 5, 2008 - 10:37 ET by BlazerIf you look at the history of the Iowa primary, a win can actually be a kiss of death, but usually only favor's the incumbent president and GWB isn't running. I think Hillary is still very much alive in this one.
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Somewhat
January 5, 2008 - 11:05 ET by RJYou're talking about the difference in a couple of delegates, with a couple of thousand to go.
It's too soon to tell what Iowa will mean, but I'm looking forward to the debate tonight to see if sparks fly.
I went with "yes, somewhat"
January 5, 2008 - 10:42 ET by sarcasmoIt's hard to say. Is there any difference among the leading Democrats regarding ethanol-welfare subsidies? To me it was interesting how few people overall bothered to go spend an hour or so in a weird state voting ritual. To me it sounds like it might be a fun option, but I confess that I love the convenience of Florida's "mail it in and forget about going to the election" option, too.
And over on the Daily Paul, rumors abound of Des Moines HQ database human-error/nonbackup, or maybe hardware screw-up, or maybe malicious "hacking." This rumor, if true, might or might-not have made any difference in the outcome, and it further might or might-not be covered by the news media, fairly or unfairly. I don't know what to either hope-for or expect given so many variables! This comment seems to indicate it's probably the usual -- human errors blamed on software the humans were trying to use.
JMR
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Iowa proved one thing...and it was major!
January 5, 2008 - 10:49 ET by goldenthroatI don't believe that this was a vote FOR Osama Bama - it was a vote AGAINST Shmillary! Her left-coast narcissism is what caused her to take a hit and take a hit she did! This is going to follow her for the rest of the campaign.
Shmillary has just found out that she is a legend in her own mind.
"Yeah! That's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan
I agree, but
January 5, 2008 - 10:55 ET by sarcasmoRepublicans should "be careful what you wish for!" Obama or Edwards, but especially Obama IMO, would be far tougher general election candidates than Hillary. Both might also be less likely to get-out any residual conservative "anybody but another Clinton" votes, and some of those voters are Democrats.
JMR
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Partially agree, sarky.
January 5, 2008 - 11:02 ET by RJI think Obama's appeal to the left is wide and he would be tougher to defeat than the Hildebeast...but at the same time, I think Edwards' appeal is fervent but fairly narrow.
I don't believe that this
January 5, 2008 - 13:40 ET by motherbeltI don't believe that this was a vote FOR Osama Bama - it was a vote AGAINST Shmillary!
I agree, but the Clinotnistas are in a state of denial. Check out this article at Yahoo.
Dem strategist Donna Brazile is spinning like a top. If you can believe it, after Obama ate HRC's lunch, and after this:
A survey of Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa found that by a margin of
52 percent to 20 percent, more Democrats said they wanted a candidate
who could bring about change than said they were seeking a candidate
with the proper experience.
Brazile actually has the nerve to say "It's hard to detect any signs of Clinton fatigue in a Democratic primary,"
Well I guess it is, if you have your eyes closed, and your fingers in your ears, singing LALALALALA!
The article also brings up Bill's tendency to talk about himself instead of his wife.
It's an interesting article, especially considering it's from the AP. Go read the whole thing.
Very good article, motherbelt
January 5, 2008 - 14:43 ET by Scout FinchBut I still think Hillary's sitting on a pile of doo-doo that could sink Obama quickly. I'll be surprised if it doesn't surface within the next week.
I guess you didn't get down
January 5, 2008 - 15:06 ET by motherbeltI guess you didn't get down to my other post below:
Rush was saying yesterday that his sources tell him Her Royal
Clintoness has a bag of mud on Obama that she will eventually let fly.
Not the drug thing from high school, because that is already out, but
more, and worse.
No one knows how to do the "politics of personal destruction" better than the Clintons
Just thinkin'
January 5, 2008 - 15:44 ET by ChaitealoverI've often wondered why a California judge agreed to release Jack and Jeri Ryan's sealed custody documents [concerning their son], which caused Jack Ryan to drop out of the 2004 senate race against Obama. The repubs brought in Alan Keyes from out-of-state, voters didn't like the 'carpetbagger' aspect, and Obama became a Senator. I know it was reporters that started to push the issue, but why would a judge agree that protecting the child from the sexual allegations in the documents was not as important as pointing a finger at a senate candidate [the allegations, as far as I know, were not proven]
Chai
“We must learn to live each day as a unique opportunity to make everything new” - Henri Nouwen
Because the welfare of the
January 6, 2008 - 10:17 ET by dscottBecause the welfare of the child was just a figleaf in the first place. The Family Law system is run by adults, for the benefit of adults, the kids be damned. Of the 200,000 kids a year who are abused in the US, half of the abusers of those kids were hand picked by the Family Law judge. The truth is found in the results, not the rhetoric.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
Just for the record
January 6, 2008 - 15:12 ET by ChaitealoverThe Ryan allegations had nothing to do with child abuse. What sealing the records was supposed to protect the child from was learning what the mother accused the father of wanting her to participate in.
And the point of my first post was that Obama became a senator because Ryan was forced out of the race.
Chai
“We must learn to live each day as a unique opportunity to make everything new” - Henri Nouwen
I've often wondered why a
January 6, 2008 - 17:02 ET by dscottI've often wondered why a California judge agreed to release Jack and Jeri Ryan's sealedcustody documents [concerning their son] Point 1, why did the court do what it did? I answered it. Point 2, Ryan forced out of race. You answered your own rhetorical question. Point 3, Who is so sleazy as to expose a child to damaging information for the sake of advancing their own agenda over the potential harm to the child? Answer: Obama and company. Did Obama himself bemoan or condemn the act? If he didn't, then he is just as vicious as Her Majesty.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
Obama's Message
January 5, 2008 - 10:47 ET by pbthinkerThere was a comment about Hillary taking some rough treatment, in New Hampshire, last night. There's a little debate about whether she was booed or not. What I noticed, about the points in question, was her message about fighting the Republicans to the finish. Obama seems to be welcoming Republicans, Democrats, and Independents in his camp, while the Clinton's want to make this another us against them campaign. Maybe, just maybe, the majority of voters are sick of the fighting and want someone they feel will unite the country. The only way Hillary can unite the country is to vanquish the Republicans, since she certainly doesn't have the message that will persuade them.
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First Clinton Administration
January 5, 2008 - 13:40 ET by doug1950If you remember back to the first Clinton Administration, it was froth with new "crisis" every week, intertwined with one scandal after another. The crisises were "created" to draw attention away from the scandal de jour. Running parallel to these two ongoing tracks where the divide and conquer mentality of the Clintons. It was always about class warfare, "lets you and him fight", the haves and the have nots, class envy and spreading the wealth equally among those who provide the wealth and those who sit on their butts and provide nothing to the betterment of the nation. That old saw might not be selling to the masses like it did then.
Hillary Booed
January 5, 2008 - 13:46 ET by BlondeIt appears you are correct, pb.
Hillary was booed last night at a dem dinner in NH. Poor Hil. Bawahahahah.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
B
January 5, 2008 - 13:51 ET bynice link
do you think she'll cackle when asked about this?
GoHunter08
It's too soon to sing "Ding-Dong the witch is dead"
January 5, 2008 - 13:52 ET by RJ...but this was a "small step" toward that delicious moment of a "giant leap for mankind."
Wow
January 5, 2008 - 14:10 ET by well99It will be difficult but I will try to hold back the tears.I actually dont hate her.I do hate all she stands for and her actions. With her it isnt about her being a Dem it is about how despicable she and Bill are.The clintons and Gore when time passes will be shown to be the worse of all the polticians we have had in this country.
Now, Now, well
January 5, 2008 - 14:21 ET by BlondeDon't cry for Hillary, Argentina.
Sorry...couldnt' help myself.
She is reaping what she has sown. I can think of a thousand little sayings....chickens coming home to roost, just desserts, etc.
The debates are going to be very interesting...I surely hope we have a live chat going here.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Yes that would be cool
January 5, 2008 - 16:18 ET by well99I probably watch it on the tv though...different room unfortunately.This should be interest as you have said.
I'm watching it as I read these posts
January 5, 2008 - 22:42 ET by Cape Conservativeand it is unbelievable the difference in the questioning by both Gibson and the local TV guy. Serious in the Republican segment and all smiles and joking in the Democrats. Also, I commented about how the audience has clapped and cheered during the second half and how no one has stopped them. No one clapped or cheered during the Republican debate - perhaps because Republican audiences believe in OBEYING the rules that were laid down by Gibson before the show began. No audience participation. As usual, the Democrat audience ignored any such restrictions. And the beat goes on...............
Not by a long shot
January 5, 2008 - 10:48 ET by derbalPeople seem to forget who we're talking about here. An extremely evil person. She has many more tricks up her sleeve. You think this loss is going to affect her? Nope. If anything, she's on a rampage now. I would have loved to been a fly on her hotel room wall that night. I bet someone had hell to pay for. And I bet there was much butt kissing from her entourage.
Rush was saying yesterday
January 5, 2008 - 14:23 ET by motherbeltRush was saying yesterday that his sources tell him Her Royal Clintoness has a bag of mud on Obama that she will eventually let fly. Not the drug thing from high school, because that is already out, but more, and worse.
No one knows how to do the "politics of personal destruction" better than the Clintons.
They can try anything
January 5, 2008 - 20:46 ET by pbthinkerWhat's funny is, of all the politicians trying to bring up dirt, the Clinton's are probably the worst. It's like they can say anything and people can bring up lying under oath, Oval Office trysts, lying to his cabinet members, Hillary and her famous "Vast right wing conspiracy, talk on the Today Show.
When the Democrats were supporting President Bill to the hilt, I always hoped it would come back to haunt them. Perhaps, in a subtle way, I may get my wish, it won't haunt the Democrats but it will haunt Hillary and Bill. In a way, I'd settle for that.
Democrats: Specializing in "high tech lynching" since 1987.
she is no longer
January 5, 2008 - 10:52 ET byinevitable
btw: Rudy doesn't think Iowa is an all important step
GoHunter08
Hillary's chances
January 5, 2008 - 11:00 ET by CharliegivIt affects her chances a lot! Notwithstanding the fact that the Iowa caucus winner is not usually the nominee, we have been flooded with the inevitability of a Hillary nomination. So much has been poured into promoting that inevitability that any chink in the armor can lead to a greater rift and possibly the outright failure of her campaign. Now you will really start to see questions of her electability with the general population.
I Agree
January 5, 2008 - 11:04 ET by BourbeauI think the loss in Iowa stung her and her band of "it's invitably me" admirers. However, this is far from over; she has a ton of money, a ton of MSM shrills (and the comback kid stuff has already started), and she's ruthless. Having said that, there's also a sense, just maybe, that there's a ground swell occurring as it relates to the "baby boomers" versus the "gen xers" - people just may be noticing that a vote for her is a vote for yesterday, and they're tiring of the same old people, with the same old venom, and the same old promises. They want something new. Keep something in mind, there's also some noise being made by a group of politcial savvy folks from both parties, who will meet this weekend to try and 'find a way' to change the political tone. Now, it's early, but it's something that should be paid attention to, because one of the participants is Mayor Bloomberg from NY. To me, the undercurrent of change is not for Hillary's change, it's for dramatic change and that may spell Obama or Candiate X (any ideas who that may be Mr. Mayor.
It's all about
January 5, 2008 - 11:37 ET by MidAmericaIt's all about perception. It matters because she put a lot of effort into it and bill put himself into it and still she came in third. Had she avoided Iowa or at least put in less effort it wouldn't have hurt as much. Now instead of the persona that she is an ex-president running for re-election she is just a senator running for president.
They knew she was going to
January 5, 2008 - 14:27 ET by motherbeltThey knew she was going to bomb. Bill was out in the days before the vote, saying that she didn't expect to win; she was going in there to show that she's not afraid to lose. He also recounted how many states he lost before he won.
It's a different situation though...he outlasted people that dropped out....Obama and Edwards are NOT going to drop out.
I suppose they thought that the guys would just step aside for her, like Nita Lowey did in NY.
NOT!! LOL I think she's going to get roughed up a lot more. The only thing that can save her is if they run out of money, because she has more than anyone right now.
Yes, definitely for the worse...
January 5, 2008 - 12:14 ET by VT Con Maneyes closed, fingers crossed, mumbling incoherent prayer hildabeast NEVER gets near the Whitehouse again...along with any other leftist demorat.
I'm right there with you!
January 5, 2008 - 14:29 ET by motherbeltI'm right there with you! I wish they would just go away, the pair of them. But unfortunately, she will go back to the Senate, and end up "the Liberal Lioness" to match Kennedy's Lion. Probably for just as long, too.
Well, we can hope.
Me, too!
January 5, 2008 - 22:46 ET by Cape ConservativeAnd I sure don't wish another "lion" or "lioness" on anyone! Why this constituency continues to vote the "lion" in office I will NEVER understand!
That is the fat lady warming up
January 5, 2008 - 13:31 ET by Lame CherryBarak Obama will not be the nominee at the DNC, but the fat lady that you here is warming up for Hillary as she is about 3 minutes to toast.
IF and IF Hillary can jump in the polls to second, the summer will be one very sexual, criminal and nasty one for Dame Hamrod. The cartel put her on notice about her illegal funding which is quite criminal. The cartel also laid the groundwork for Hillary's lezbo luv fest with her assistant. I have stated the DNC operatives have hinted quite loudly that right wing CIA operatives HAVE evidence of Bill's boinking and one would include from the leaks, Hillary making deep sighs with a lesbian between the sheets.
That is why Bill was beaming at Hillary's loss as he knows he will be ruined. Hillary is taking a dive to save face, but people have seen nothing yet about what is in store for Dame Hamrod if people vote for her.
It honestly would be worth it to have it all come out........so vote often you crooked DNC voters, let's give Hillary and Bill the stage they so lust after and YouTube a summer of downloads of reality movies........
Bill Clinton starring in Bedtime for Bimbos
Hillary Clinton starring in Hillary Back Mountin'
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Hillary speaking makes my ears bleed.
January 6, 2008 - 09:02 ET by CTThe lose in Iowa hurt, but not as much as her harsh voice in the debate last night.
}}---> I take that back
January 6, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Cool ArrowI voted "Definitely, for the worse" then I wondered "worse for whom?
Was this a trick question?
I ♣ My Seal
Doesn't mean anything
January 6, 2008 - 13:56 ET by 89CanesI'm no liberal, but I do realize the loss in Iowa isn't a big deal.
Maybe you guys have forgotten, but Clinton came in 3rd there before.
Except that time it was Bill, and it was 1992. He went on to become President.
The Iowa caucus isn't good for much besides talking points and who's running low on cash after they wasted it all trying to win Iowa's useless caucus.