Picked the wrong candidate by going with another Bob Dole "it's my turn" type instead of the sensible change they want from both parties. (Hey, you asked!)
JMR
OK, you busted me. But I stated it in the form of a question, so I could say I was just picking the collective brain here.
Falls flat, doesn't it?
I'm seriously considering going Democrat as I get closer to retirement. These kids want an avalanche of government handouts? Let's force their hand. They'll be bumping us off before we know what hit us.
But not for me. I was just being my usual honest self, and you did ask a pretty-easy question. :) I'm considering the benefits an overall purge at the top would have on the US Department of "Justice," since it's been busy for years attacking the company I work for and honest money in general. Go figure...
The real saying should go: a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, and a libertarian is a conservative who's been (or whose company has been) indicted by an obese government featuring skewed, political priorities. I don't hold out much hope Obama's DOJ would be any substantial improvement over Bush's shysters, but from a standpoint of either legal philosophy or competence (take your pick...) I can't imagine it being too much-worse.
JMR
But I think this country was totally ready and willing to elect Colin Powell 8 years ago instead of Bush. His Harvard Law Review performance clearly shows Obama can survive negative-action having nothing to do with race and everything to do with intellect. Ask just-about any lawyer why I'd say that.
JMR
I think the fact that whites would have voted for Powell over Bush makes it old news. The problem wasn't black candidates, the problem was candidates like Jackson & Sharpton, where being black was an issue, if not the only issue.
JMR
I was, with Mallard Fillmore cartoonist Bruce Tinsley, pestering Professor Walter Williams to make a run (he politely/sanely declined, and said that he supported Ron Paul instead). It's almost like fiscal issues are more important to me than melanin-content. Shocking...
JMR
But he was polite enough to respond very kindly, albeit with a "no," to an email from me urging him to run and promising my support/$ if he did. I would love to shake his hand someday.
JMR
At the time of his opportunity to run, it was my opinion he owed it to America as well as his Race to run.
Powell was the epitome of the accomplished American who happened to be African American. I knew of and respected his wife's reticence, but felt the importance of racial progress transcended the individual.
Instead we have a stuffed shirt waiting to ascend the platform ready to accept immortality best spent on an accomplished American.
But I can't blame him, and I don't think Williams owes any race/country anything. Running for President is, in addition to all the attendant indignities, risking getting yourself shot. Williams has tenure and less risk of getting shot (modulo student-nutcases on antidepressant drugs, these days) where he is. Try to imagine being him, and what you'd do if asked by some random libertarian like me to take such a scary risk.
JMR
www.dailypaul.com a variety of posts feature such Democrats, who are all probably now with Obama (again, it's a "hey, you asked!" question, please don't blame me for an honest answer).
JMR
Among "Ron Paul Democrats." They're fewer these days on the Daily Paul than before, and I doubt they're going with Hillary even though they've been constantly accused by idiots of being "racist" (a false accusation which might, ironically, be propelling the move). The search function over there works. Try it.
JMR
Ron Paul Democrats will probably be voting independent, not for Obama. It's because Ron Paul will probably lose to Chris Peden, opening up the path to run for president as an infependent. There's quite a bit of speculation about this in the internet, sparked by Paul's lackluster House campaign. It seems like he wants to lose so he can go independent. The big question is when he will switch -- right after he loses the primary or after the convention.
Although it doesn't explicitly say so, I think this poll refers to stories published by mainstream media outlets, not posted anonymously on some goofball blog where you'll find all sorts of completely fabricated "information".
Maybe, however, you can find a link to some London bookies proving the MSM is intentionally supressing "lifelong democrat voting Republican" stories!
And quit your whining. We all know the MSM shades the truth and on occasions lies outright. That's what NewsBusters is about, if you didn't already know. So the NewsBusters poll is obviously about mainstream media stories, not stuff anonymously posted on the blog of a Don Quixote style crazy man. Now find a MSM story and link or slink.
I linked to the Daily Paul, you whined as usual, and then tried your latest tactic of accusing me of your own specialty. All my evidence is from what Democrats themselves write on the Daily Paul. If you're asking the likes of me to find mainstream coverage of something to do with Ron Paul, you have not been listening too-carefully...
JMR
If the "stories" you refer to are true I'm sure some MSM outlet would've written about it as a man-bites-dog story. They love that kind of stuff. All you have to do is provide the link.
What I said goes, and I made no guarantee the media would get a clue about an obvious phenomenon when it comes to Ron Paul supporters, since that would obviously be a first for them. Whine all you want, it's not gonna change.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Oops! Change my Yes vote to a No. I read it backwards. I have NEVER read a story about Lifelong Democrats voting Republican ever. BTW, "Lifelong Republican" used in a report almost always means the subject is really either a Democrat or a RINO who votes mostly Democrat.
Actually here in this State (La) you often here of life long Dems voting Repub. Our State has turned around the strong hold Dems had on it for many many years. Not sure if any of these stories ever got published, but their are a lot of them.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
My fiance is from MN... the land of 10,000 liberals...
She had all these high values about personal responsibility and keeping the nanny-state big-nose out of our business... she'd just always voted Dem the way her friends and parents told her was most in line without actually researching much. Wouldn't want to vote for those "evil conservatives," but now she's marrying one haha.
That's the problem with the media... they're great at pulling mass liberal converts with brazen BS that sounds good at face value. The converse is usually accomplished with one-on-one face time with someone who respects you enough to dispense with the bumper-sticker-slogans long enough to listen to boring common sense. But at the end of the day, sense trumps sensational every time.
There are quite a few instances where the MSM references the Reagan democrats so that is a yes, but to dig up actual democrats and run a whole segment how and why they have decided to vote republican this year -- that is an absolute no
"Elect Obama and prove once and for all that racism has been totally vanquished in America. I'm serious."
Being mulatto (yes, I said mulatto) myself, I can personally assure you this would not work. The race merchants would quickly jump back on the "black enough" bandwagon.
Cool Arrow, you're right it would be a purity argument. I for one grew up hearing the perfectly acceptable mantra (in the 'black community') " The darker the berrys, the sweeter the fruit. The darker the skin, the deeper the roots." No doubt my friend Obama has heard this, and judging by his race-obsessed party, he might just believe it. My 2 cents...CHEERS!
During the elections/administrations of President Ronald Reagan and George Herbertt Walker Bush, not a day went by when there wasn't some mention made of the numbers of Democrats who voted against the likes of Carter, then Mondale, then Dukakis.
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March 3, 2008 - 07:47 ET by USA4freedomNEVER... (IN CAPS)
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
I agree
March 3, 2008 - 08:24 ET by JohnCDuring the Reagan years I saw a few.
»→ Lifelong Democrat
March 3, 2008 - 08:25 ET by Cool ArrowWhen a lifelong Democrat comes to his/her senses, why would s/he want to go back?
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Because the Republicans
March 3, 2008 - 08:28 ET by sarcasmoPicked the wrong candidate by going with another Bob Dole "it's my turn" type instead of the sensible change they want from both parties. (Hey, you asked!)
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
»→ Leave it to sarc.
March 3, 2008 - 08:40 ET by Cool ArrowOK, you busted me. But I stated it in the form of a question, so I could say I was just picking the collective brain here.
Falls flat, doesn't it?
I'm seriously considering going Democrat as I get closer to retirement. These kids want an avalanche of government handouts? Let's force their hand. They'll be bumping us off before we know what hit us.
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Falls flat for the collective here
March 3, 2008 - 08:58 ET by sarcasmoBut not for me. I was just being my usual honest self, and you did ask a pretty-easy question. :) I'm considering the benefits an overall purge at the top would have on the US Department of "Justice," since it's been busy for years attacking the company I work for and honest money in general. Go figure...
The real saying should go: a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, and a libertarian is a conservative who's been (or whose company has been) indicted by an obese government featuring skewed, political priorities. I don't hold out much hope Obama's DOJ would be any substantial improvement over Bush's shysters, but from a standpoint of either legal philosophy or competence (take your pick...) I can't imagine it being too much-worse.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Then there's the bonus, sarc
March 3, 2008 - 09:23 ET by Cool ArrowElect Obama and prove once and for all that racism has been totally vanquished in America. I'm serious.
And God forbid there be any who would say Obama is the product of Affirmative Action or tokenism.
A big part of me wants to see the dog catch the car.
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I'd doubt that...
March 3, 2008 - 10:15 ET by sarcasmoBut I think this country was totally ready and willing to elect Colin Powell 8 years ago instead of Bush. His Harvard Law Review performance clearly shows Obama can survive negative-action having nothing to do with race and everything to do with intellect. Ask just-about any lawyer why I'd say that.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
»→ Why doubt it sarc
March 3, 2008 - 10:21 ET by Cool ArrowIf Obama is elected, it's absolute proof racism is a thing of the past in America.
He certainly couldn't get elected without the votes of many whites in America.
And just how bad would it be for young African Americans to reach an understanding that anybody can be anything they set their sights to?
We survived Carter. We can survive Obama.
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You misunderstand me.
March 3, 2008 - 10:25 ET by sarcasmoI think the fact that whites would have voted for Powell over Bush makes it old news. The problem wasn't black candidates, the problem was candidates like Jackson & Sharpton, where being black was an issue, if not the only issue.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
At one point I wanted a
March 3, 2008 - 10:31 ET by USA4freedomAt one point I wanted a Allen/Condi combo.
I agree, Jackson Sharpton, & Co. need the racist issue because for them, its their pay check.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Romney / Jendil 2012 (if,we survive)
Before* I wanted Paul
March 3, 2008 - 10:35 ET by sarcasmoI was, with Mallard Fillmore cartoonist Bruce Tinsley, pestering Professor Walter Williams to make a run (he politely/sanely declined, and said that he supported Ron Paul instead). It's almost like fiscal issues are more important to me than melanin-content. Shocking...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
»→ Fillmore's cool
March 3, 2008 - 10:42 ET by Cool ArrowBut you've met Walter Williams?
Did he hit the mark on last week's column on Africa, or what?
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Not in person
March 3, 2008 - 10:47 ET by sarcasmoBut he was polite enough to respond very kindly, albeit with a "no," to an email from me urging him to run and promising my support/$ if he did. I would love to shake his hand someday.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
»→ Didn't miss it, sarc
March 3, 2008 - 10:39 ET by Cool ArrowAt the time of his opportunity to run, it was my opinion he owed it to America as well as his Race to run.
Powell was the epitome of the accomplished American who happened to be African American. I knew of and respected his wife's reticence, but felt the importance of racial progress transcended the individual.
Instead we have a stuffed shirt waiting to ascend the platform ready to accept immortality best spent on an accomplished American.
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I'm disappointed too
March 3, 2008 - 10:52 ET by sarcasmoBut I can't blame him, and I don't think Williams owes any race/country anything. Running for President is, in addition to all the attendant indignities, risking getting yourself shot. Williams has tenure and less risk of getting shot (modulo student-nutcases on antidepressant drugs, these days) where he is. Try to imagine being him, and what you'd do if asked by some random libertarian like me to take such a scary risk.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
»→ I was referring
March 3, 2008 - 11:02 ET by Cool ArrowI was referring to Powell.
Williams is not the high profile offering Powell was.
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Powell sold out.
March 3, 2008 - 11:07 ET by sarcasmoAt least his kid got an FCC job he'd have never-gotten in the real world...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Anyone who voted "yes,
March 3, 2008 - 08:48 ET by motherbeltAnyone who voted "yes, fairly recently" should be obliged to produce a link as proof. LOL
You got it.
March 3, 2008 - 09:00 ET by sarcasmowww.dailypaul.com a variety of posts feature such Democrats, who are all probably now with Obama (again, it's a "hey, you asked!" question, please don't blame me for an honest answer).
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
a variety of posts feature
March 3, 2008 - 09:45 ET by motherbelta variety of posts feature such Democrats, who are all probably now with Obama
Sorry, I don't get that...you'll have to explain. I guess I'm a little dense this AM....
It's Not You
March 3, 2008 - 10:05 ET by TinianSorry, I don't get that...you'll have to explain. I guess I'm a little dense this AM....
It's not you that's confused. The only use of the word democrats on the page linked to is in an advertisement:
You'll never get a straight answer.
Yeah
March 3, 2008 - 10:13 ET by sarcasmoBecause there's not a search function at the Daily Paul...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
I think there has been a move to Obama
March 3, 2008 - 10:12 ET by sarcasmoAmong "Ron Paul Democrats." They're fewer these days on the Daily Paul than before, and I doubt they're going with Hillary even though they've been constantly accused by idiots of being "racist" (a false accusation which might, ironically, be propelling the move). The search function over there works. Try it.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Ron Paul Democrats
March 3, 2008 - 10:26 ET by TinianRon Paul Democrats will probably be voting independent, not for Obama. It's because Ron Paul will probably lose to Chris Peden, opening up the path to run for president as an infependent. There's quite a bit of speculation about this in the internet, sparked by Paul's lackluster House campaign. It seems like he wants to lose so he can go independent. The big question is when he will switch -- right after he loses the primary or after the convention.
Why is he losing??
March 3, 2008 - 10:30 ET by sarcasmoIt's sure as hell not (despite Peden's self-contributions!) fundraising (and I loved the "mainstream Republican's" Keyes-endorsement!!).
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Your Link Flunks the Test
March 3, 2008 - 10:51 ET by TinianAlthough it doesn't explicitly say so, I think this poll refers to stories published by mainstream media outlets, not posted anonymously on some goofball blog where you'll find all sorts of completely fabricated "information".
Maybe, however, you can find a link to some London bookies proving the MSM is intentionally supressing "lifelong democrat voting Republican" stories!
Your test, not mine
March 3, 2008 - 10:53 ET by sarcasmoIt makes fun of your "mainstream" idiot, and that's passin' around here.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
You're Resorting to Insults Again
March 3, 2008 - 11:04 ET by TinianAnd quit your whining. We all know the MSM shades the truth and on occasions lies outright. That's what NewsBusters is about, if you didn't already know. So the NewsBusters poll is obviously about mainstream media stories, not stuff anonymously posted on the blog of a Don Quixote style crazy man. Now find a MSM story and link or slink.
No.
March 3, 2008 - 11:06 ET by sarcasmoAnd you're the king of whiners. Explain the Keyes endorsement.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
That's Easy
March 3, 2008 - 11:13 ET by TinianThat's easy: Keyes has lost his mind.
Now how about that link to an MSM story.
I never said I had one
March 3, 2008 - 11:17 ET by sarcasmoI linked to the Daily Paul, you whined as usual, and then tried your latest tactic of accusing me of your own specialty. All my evidence is from what Democrats themselves write on the Daily Paul. If you're asking the likes of me to find mainstream coverage of something to do with Ron Paul, you have not been listening too-carefully...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
This is NewsBusters
March 3, 2008 - 11:23 ET by TinianThis is NewsBusters, not BlogBusters.
If the "stories" you refer to are true I'm sure some MSM outlet would've written about it as a man-bites-dog story. They love that kind of stuff. All you have to do is provide the link.
Nope, see above.
March 3, 2008 - 11:40 ET by sarcasmoWhat I said goes, and I made no guarantee the media would get a clue about an obvious phenomenon when it comes to Ron Paul supporters, since that would obviously be a first for them. Whine all you want, it's not gonna change.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Adios for Now
March 3, 2008 - 11:35 ET by TinianI gotta go now, but it's been nice chatting with you this morning. I'll check back for that link later.
BTW -- just to be polite I thought I'd ask first: can I add you to my buddylist?
I don't care.
March 3, 2008 - 11:41 ET by sarcasmoIt's not like that's a relevant NB feature...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Mother
March 3, 2008 - 09:47 ET by ricklailI said YES-along time ago. It was before Owl Gore invented the internet.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
For those who answered Yes
March 3, 2008 - 09:19 ET by allanfFor those who answered "Yes", a reference to the story would be great.
Oops!
March 3, 2008 - 10:05 ET by P.J. GladnickOops! Change my Yes vote to a No. I read it backwards. I have NEVER read a story about Lifelong Democrats voting Republican ever. BTW, "Lifelong Republican" used in a report almost always means the subject is really either a Democrat or a RINO who votes mostly Democrat.
Actually here in this State
March 3, 2008 - 10:18 ET by general companyActually here in this State (La) you often here of life long Dems voting Repub. Our State has turned around the strong hold Dems had on it for many many years. Not sure if any of these stories ever got published, but their are a lot of them.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
Yes,recently
March 3, 2008 - 10:23 ET by ArmedDadMy wife,a lifelong registered Democrat voted for GWB in 2004.
My wife was a lifelong
March 3, 2008 - 13:20 ET by Roger the ShrubberMy wife was a lifelong Democrat(ic) until we met. She grew up as one because her parents were, which is the law in SW PA.
She discovered she is actually quite conservative, sometimes even more than I am.
Rog...
March 3, 2008 - 13:33 ET by ArmedDadYup,those Pa "blue dogs" can surprise a guy sometimes!
Same here
March 3, 2008 - 17:32 ET by KhyrisMy fiance is from MN... the land of 10,000 liberals...
She had all these high values about personal responsibility and keeping the nanny-state big-nose out of our business... she'd just always voted Dem the way her friends and parents told her was most in line without actually researching much. Wouldn't want to vote for those "evil conservatives," but now she's marrying one haha.
That's the problem with the media... they're great at pulling mass liberal converts with brazen BS that sounds good at face value. The converse is usually accomplished with one-on-one face time with someone who respects you enough to dispense with the bumper-sticker-slogans long enough to listen to boring common sense. But at the end of the day, sense trumps sensational every time.
My fiance is from MN... the
March 3, 2008 - 20:53 ET by SchnikeysMy fiance is from MN... the land of 10,000 liberals...
I wish Pawlenty would start putting that on their license plates. :D
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Yes & No
March 3, 2008 - 10:56 ET by paulnashtnThere are quite a few instances where the MSM references the Reagan democrats so that is a yes, but to dig up actual democrats and run a whole segment how and why they have decided to vote republican this year -- that is an absolute no
VOTE REPUBLICAN
»→ Dems voting Republican
March 3, 2008 - 11:09 ET by Cool ArrowWell, there is Robert Byrd. If he lives that long, and if Obama is the candidate.
BARBARIC
I Rest my case.
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Here is an endorsement of
March 3, 2008 - 13:16 ET by Dan The Man 2Here is an endorsement of McCain by Joe Leiberman. Its the closest we will get. Perhaps Zell Miller will vote McCain also.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Zell Miller
March 3, 2008 - 14:59 ET by Dustin JolleyZell Miller voted for President Bush in 2004. Doesn't that count?
"Elect Obama and prove once
March 3, 2008 - 15:03 ET by Evoke"Elect Obama and prove once and for all that racism has been totally vanquished in America. I'm serious."
Being mulatto (yes, I said mulatto) myself, I can personally assure you this would not work. The race merchants would quickly jump back on the "black enough" bandwagon.
»→ It sounded good Evoke
March 3, 2008 - 15:09 ET by Cool ArrowBut that would be a debate based on the importance of who is more racially pure, wouldn't it?
The angles of such a national discussion are surely too divisive to ponder.
OK, you're right. I can see it. It ain't pretty, though.
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Cool Arrow you're right...
March 3, 2008 - 19:43 ET by EvokeCool Arrow, you're right it would be a purity argument. I for one grew up hearing the perfectly acceptable mantra (in the 'black community') " The darker the berrys, the sweeter the fruit. The darker the skin, the deeper the roots." No doubt my friend Obama has heard this, and judging by his race-obsessed party, he might just believe it. My 2 cents...CHEERS!
In blogs...
March 3, 2008 - 17:17 ET by Republican_by_DefaultThe leftwing mass media won't cover it. But I've read several
blog entries where a lifelong Dem has finally had enough.
Two words: David
March 3, 2008 - 17:34 ET by KhyrisTwo words:
David Horowitz.
Of course the stories are usually some infantile invective about what a "baby-eating nazi" he supposedly is.
Media Mentions of Dems Voting Republican
March 3, 2008 - 18:02 ET by Ron ScottDuring the elections/administrations of President Ronald Reagan and George Herbertt Walker Bush, not a day went by when there wasn't some mention made of the numbers of Democrats who voted against the likes of Carter, then Mondale, then Dukakis.
Never...
March 4, 2008 - 14:36 ET by LionKingnever...
But I have heard of a life-long Democrat holding office as a Republican...cue the music...enter John McCain.
LK BINGO!
March 4, 2008 - 14:40 ET by bigtimerLK
BINGO!
Showing my age!
March 5, 2008 - 09:04 ET by PawpawNThis will show my age, but I believe there was a story about Lincoln, but it may have been the Tories and the Whigs, my BAD!!