I never really became interested in his material. I was more interested in Crichton when it came to reading novels...and this other author whose name escapes me, but certainly not King's works. I was handed a book or two of his...read a chapter or two, and then I put it down, never to read it again.
He just made a stupid mistake, assuming that any expression of less-than-positive viewpoints of Iraq or the military would go down well with the hip, Starbucks-sipping, rag-wearing, "sexy cosmopolitan" crowd...only to see his name come up on the wrong end of someone else's boot.
If a book interests me I will read it but wont buy.
Same here. From now on, I'll pick up any of his books from the library, not the book store.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
commerce. I go to the book stores and read the book there (to see if I like it) then go and see if it is in the library. Most libraries have intra-state loans so 99 per cent of books can be found and checked out.
king many years ago, but moved away from the genre...I read voraciously, but would never read him again. As I mentioned in another post, patricia cornwell had as the "perp" in one of her latest books a veteran from the Iraq war...I tossed that book right in the trash where it belonged.
I have emailed TV shows I like when they gratuitously use our veterans or the war in that manor.
He lost me with "Pet Semetery" to begin with -- What kind of sick freak writes a story in which an innocent child ends up in Hell? My husband had borrowed that book from a friend and I made him give it back. I wouldn't allow it in my house.
Then I heard the premise of "Insomnia", which is about the horrible right to lifers and how they're like the clown from IT only even more evil and that took him down in my estimation from "sick freak" to "not only a sick freak, but two damned dumb to think for himself, just imports moronic thoughts wholesale from the far Left".
Thus, none of this recent staggering stupidity disguised as moral supremecy comes as a surprise.
I did the same with a book by Douglas Preston, Tyrannosaurus Canyon, the evil assasin or hired gun is an Iraqui vet. I stopped reading when he was identified as such. With Stephen King, I liked the Stand until it got weird with the prescient saintly oracular black grandma and the evil white guys in vegas. The description of the spread of the plague was first rate but it became very tedious and incredulous after that.
Although I've enjoyed his earlier works; The Stand, Christine, It. His piss-poor writing over the last 15 to 20 years is reason enough for me not to buy and/or read anymore of his books. As far as the ignorant comment he made regarding the military, well, stupid is as stupid does. I'm proud to have served in the Army and spent the last 4 years in Iraq defending his freedom to act like a dumbass. I hope he lives to be 100.
Hiassen's books have gotten real repetitive and lackluster, IMHO. He's basically a smart ass newspaper scribbler with only a peripheral understanding of character. His books have become cartoonish.
Uncyclopedia sums up the plot of all Stephen King stories:
"It was a beautiful day... THEN EVIL CAME!"
I think King is the model for Howard Bell in Douglas Adams', "The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul" -- Nobody reads his books, but everybody buys them, because his name fits perfectly on the cover and he traded his soul for book sales.
News flash for you Steven: as an ex-military person myself I can tell you that reading is a popular passtime with military folks. Yes, that's right, reading. And to read, they have to buy books. Looks like you may not only lose some market share in the military, but perhaps some in the ex-military community as well. You should think about things like this before making il-advised comments. Stick to writing and leave politics to the professionals. Good advice for Hollywood acting types too!!
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
As a writer King turns over more product than Wal-Mart. I consider horror a limited genre and King's work now nothing more than the same repetitious gore, panic and people-are-meat-and-not-very bright-meat, to boot. Last weekend I viewed The Mist, and it's same old same old,things that go bump in the night unleashed by mad scientists that work for the government and are probably associated with Halliburton and it puts forth the same themes: people are mostly weak,panicky creatures; anybody who reads the Bible is whacko; and resistance is mostly futile. In that script too three soldiers are presented as useless, nothing more than bystanders; it's a real dis of the armed forces, consistent with the comments he made reported in NB (contrast that with a sci-fi classic from the Fifties, The Thing, in which the Air Force guys show initiative and work together as a team).
I know Mr.King is a prolific writer, he's not stupid, but these remarks were stupid. He is exposing himself as an elitist jerk who has no respect for the very people who protect his right to say the disrespectful things that he said about those people.
Also, looking at today's military, I'm not sure you can be a dufus & function in what has become a very high tech operation. Today's weapon's are light years ahead anything ever seen, & we will move forward from here. I do not believe that Mr.King is smart enough to survive in today's military, not like I am, but then again, I actually repect them, unlike Mr.King.
The worst part of this story, is not that this idiot said what he said. Just like those in attendence when Rev.Wright was yelling about how America sucks, those listening to King were laughing, & then cheering his comments. Those who cheer these sorts of things are enabling these @holes, thus giving them a platform for their hatred of those who protect us...JERKS.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
i don't read fiction ... the fact that he looks like a creature from one of his own books doesn't help.
whatever (or whomever) told him to come up from the basement and show is face to the public ... made a huge mistake. he needs to quietly go back down there and stay.
slip covers with his face on the back could probably be used as weapon against terror.
tank immediately and NEVER again will he receive one cent! He is a TOTAL JERK! The men and women serving in our military are head and shoulders above anything he could dream to be. He isn't worthy enough to take out their garbage!
I used to be a big fan of King's work, but he has gotten tremendously repetitive. He announced years ago that he was retiring, which in his language appears to mean ramp up his releases to about one every week. Since he "retired," the guy comes out with more books than when he was actually still working. I think somebody else said it best: King has basically written the same book about twenty times.
I never got into the whole "horror" genre-- scary stories still freak me out, and at 25, I'm a little old for a nightlight. But, King's non-horror stories, while still full of elements of the weird, are genius. The Green Mile, Hearts in Atlantis, and The Eyes of the Dragon are REALLY good stories.
I can't really say I'll never buy his books again, because I've never bought one before... that's what libraries are for. If he comes out with another non-horror book that sounds interesting, I'll get it at the library for free. I guess for the most part, as long as I'm not giving someone my money, I'm able to separate a person's political beliefs from the story they're writing. For example, I love John Grisham, but his political views are quite "lefty" as well. (Granted, I've never heard of him making a statement like King's, though.)
anymore. I did when I was in high school, but somewhere in college I began to look at what I was reading in a more philosophical way. What is this book communicating to me about life? About relationships? etc, etc. I think the last one I ever read was Needful Things. I didn't buy it, but my Aunt sent it to me and it seemed like I ought to read it if she paid for the postage. I no longer have that sort of guilty compulsion over someone else's expenditures. Somethings just 'ain't' worth honoring.
I read Stephen King in high school. People on here have shrieked in disgust about how warped and disgusting and dark he is...none of which bothers me, to tell you the truth. But then, I have a very dark sense of humor to begin with, so that doesn't easily faze me.
The Stand, which took me the summer of 1991 to read (alongside many other books), is one of my favorite novels. I also enjoyed The Dead Zone, Needful Things, Four Past Midnight (although "The Library Policeman" was where I drew the line, THAT was too disturbing even for me), and It. I started The Dark Half and never finished.
One of King's biggest problems is that he lacks artistic restraint. He simply does not know when to shut up and let the story progress. I can't figure out why I have to spend 30-40 pages on character development, even for central figures. For instance, you will start off on a scene, then sidetrack into a 30-40 page story about an event in what's-his-name's life that traumatizes him (for example) to this very day and so forth, before FINALLY getting to the point of that chapter.
I for one am appalled at his comments.
(I forget if the comment was here or on many of the other King threads, but it was noted by a poster that reading in the military is one of the biggest pastimes. This deployment I find myself in is giving the lie to that statement. All ANYONE wants to do here in their downtime is watch movies [ugh].) Movies movies movies. Ugh ugh ugh. But that being said, I won't touch another King book, and I haven't since leafing through Gerald's Game in 1993. His stupid comments only give me another reason not to buy his books.)
Honestly, I wouldn't give him this much publicity. He's only saying things like this to draw attention to himself.
I think his comments (and the email campaign that followed) are stupid, but I can't get outraged over him when people like Sean Penn are cozying up to foreign dictators.
If you're not outraged at the media, you haven't been paying attention.
I used to read every novel that he wrote, but he has not written anyhing great in a long time. I say this but being a Army vet I must be illiterate and because of this I did not really read his books previously. Maybe, only illiterates read Stephan King books?
I tried reading one of his novels once, don't remember which one, but it was so disgusting and evil that I threw it out - didn't even want it collecting dust on a basement shelf! I've watched a few of his movies and must say that while he (or whoever turns his novels into movies) can start a story with an interesting twist and generate mystery and interest, the ending always, ALWAYS, disappoints. It is inevitably a let down and a pathetic and pedestrian* unveiling.
But I guess that having peeked behind the facade of the man I can now explain that: he is a pathetic let down and a pedestrian little man.
* lacking in vitality, imagination, distinction, etc.; commonplace; prosaic or dull.
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
I was an avid reader of King's books until "The Tommyknockers". The story was so convoluted, it seemed like King was trying too hard to throw together popular fictional elements rather than creating a good story. So, I'm not likely to read any more of his books anyway.
I'm not sure if it makes any difference if one "boycotts" someone like King. He's already made his millions and he's not going to change his political views at this point in his life. I think it more useful to publicly challenge him when he makes statements such as the one we've been discussing.
P.S. Perhaps it would be interesting to consider a public burning of King's books by members of the U.S. military.
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Yup, nothing says "free, pluralistic society" like a big ol' pile of burning books.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Jason C.: Are you saying that it's untenable in a free society to protest by burning something? You seem to be suggesting a comparison to Fahrenheit 451. Sorry. It doesn't work in this case. First of all, we're not talking about the government seizing and destroying the books in order to control thought. Nor would this be a matter of infringing on someone's freedom of speech. In fact, to forbid the burning of King's books in protest would be a violation of free speech. Besides, it's not about the content of the books. It's about the author's disrespect for the U.S. military.
Since when does the term "free, pluralistic society" mean that everyone must accept everything that everyone else has to say? To me, a "free pluralistic society" means that I'm free to think differently. And free to express my disagreement in any way I choose, within the law.
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I was pretty much just being cheeky. Suggesting that people refrain from reading King is fine. The image of organized book-burnings is so rife with Nazi innuendo that I couldn't help the dig.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Would you also label bra-burning as being rife with "Nazi inuendo"? The Nazi label only works if you're talking about the government doing the burning for the purpose of controlling the free exchange of ideas. How you can equate burning books in protest with Nazism doesn't make sense - even in the context of "being cheeky".
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Sorry Queen, but you can't talk about the military (an extension of the government, btw) burning books without conjuring up some unsavory associations. I do see the hard, material distinction - hence the cheekiness - but still...
No, I would not equate bra-burning.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
King wrote the Shawshank Redemption and the Green Mile. I enjoyed the movies and never read the stories. ( I don't think they were full blown novels.) He does write a lot of crap also. I think its like a roomful of monkeys with typewriters; write enough crap maybe some of it will be good. He is like a lot of celebs in Hollywood many are entertaining and I enjoy their work but most are lefty so they should just shut up and do what they do best and that is entertain. Almost all the bands from the 60's were leftoid freaks but I (hate to say it ) loved and still loved the music despite the politics. However I never buy or watch anything Sean Penn is in.
I wouldn't waste my money on any of the tripe put out by this brain-dead liberal. Have never and will never buy any of his books or shell out money to one of his movies. I might buy a newspaper just to see his obituary though.
Statistical info that another worthless liberal is barking in Hell.
You know, I pray for liberals but at the same time, their words and actions burn like fire when they they insult the very people that ensure them the freedom to spew their hate filled rants.
If you take offense at my words, that's your problem, I won't be an apologist to you or any other liberal, I have more self respect than that.
See Bal, the stereotype of the angry, hateful conservative is clearly just a myth.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
You libs could write volumes on Hate, introspectively
You see anger and hatred in my words, I see fighting back against and ideology that dates back to the early days of the KKK, a democrat party that fought against civil rights, pushed through a law, not by legislature, but by activist judges to snuff out the life of a child in the womb.
What I will have to answer to will pale in comparison to what you maggots will have to answer to at judgement.
Your laundry-list certainly demonstrates a propensity for buying in, sheeplike, to stereotypes that apply to maybe 1 out 100 liberals. Well done.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
I take no responsibility for the above poster. It's hard enough to be a conservative without so many "exhibit As" of name calling and fantacizing about someone's obituary.
Nobody asked you to take responsibility for me, if you are not willing to fight for conservative principles then step out of the field of battle. I'm tired of stepping over the "conservatives" cowering in fear of the liberals
Oh, by the way, the correct spelling is "fantasizing" and what I was saying is that the newspaper obituary is the only article about King I would pay to read about.
None of what you write applies to me. Perhaps you're invoking too much emotion in your argument, and it's clouding your mind. Get back to your Vulcan roots.
Folks like him tick me off, and I mean really. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I come to NB to discuss modern issues and sharpen my opinions about the world.
I hate folks like this, no matter their ideals, who pop into a thread with some variation of "those people are stupid" and then make no effort to debate anyone who argues back. That's the definition of a troll no matter which side if the aisle you're on.
He must not hate liberals that much. He forgot about our hatred of allowing people who make 6- and 7-figure incomes to keep every last penny. Maybe that falls under capitalism, who knows. At any rate, his list is just adorable.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
And people here will probably take this wrong (but it's really no insult, as Shemp was talented & funny IMO) but I always saw a strong resemblance between Shemp Howard and Ronald Reagan. I know, probably just me! :)
JMR
The tax & spend drugwar looks racist in the real world.
when someone like Stephen King insults the intelligence of our brave soldiers in your mind, I don't care how books he has sold or how many of them were made into movies, I'm a 16 year Air Force Veteran, and he stepped over the line like so many liberals before him and I don't need your permission to make my opinion heard.
often. You have been hit by all the resident liberals and I'm not sure why Candance jumped in.
There is nothing wrong with what you said and it's the truth. I wouldn't have made the comment about the obituary but I don't think it was the level of hate where liberals actually wish for conservatives to die.
So anyway -welcome if you are new and if not, sorry I just haven't seen you yet.
I've been coming to this website for the last few years, but just recently started posting regularly. Thank you for the encouragement I enjoy getting under the skin of liberals and I hope I wasn't too offensive to any conservatives, but sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow no matter which side of the aisle you are on.
It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required. Sir Winston Churchill British politician (1874 - 1965)
Dee...So, I take it then that you agree with Tom referring to Jason and Bal, and apparently all liberals, as "maggots" who will have to answer for their "hatred" on judgement day?
I agree that the list he made of things liberals hate is pretty accurate. You and Jason and Bal defend much worse things said by liberals. You guys started out calling him a hater for being angry with what King said. Saying that the only thing he'd pay to read from him is his obituary did not imply he wished him dead.
The fact that he says liberals who hate will answer for their hatred on judgment day implies that he is not going to carry out any violence or wish any to come to him. The many many liberal posters who wish all kinds of horrible things on conservatives wish them on them today here and now. That is 1,000 times worse. Tom is saying that he's confident enough in what he believes is right to let a higher power carry out punishment. There is nothing at all wrong with that.
Liberals not only wish horrible things on conservatives in much larger numbers than visa versa, they also excuse murderous actions of others like the so called insurgents in Iraq. They like to blame all evil in the world on conservatives (especially Christian and Jewish ones). So much so that if anyone attacks them, they must have had justification. It's sickening.
I agree with you here...I was fighting for the same rights too this week-end on the Dkos thread...I am so sick of the whining here...it is getting past ridiculous, this thin-skinnedness (is there such a word...lol) is getting to be unreal.
(cp is another good example.)
Glad to see ya here...I'm in between a million things now, glad I checked in when I did here.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
who notices it. Just even the Newsbusted post there are liberals on there wishing that we get cancer, saying F *ck the troops and all sorts of vile things and I'm the one getting my comments deleted. I haven't used swear words or wished death on anyone.
Oh you are so right....I don't know that I can ever go to the comments again on NewsBusted...I haven't been that angry in a long time...it continued on through last night...and I still have a message to get to today sometime...that is if I do and who it is from...the leftist are just unbelievable....and they complain all the time here if we have a differing point of view and hurt their wittle fweelings if not expressed the way they think we should do it...point fingers, stomp feet and I'm gonna' go tell attitude is getting to be too much.
PCness goes awry...look what is happening to the dem. party with what they have now brought upon themselves from their own creation of PCness that took them fourty years to get there...and now they are reaping just what they have sown.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I'm assuming this is in reference to the Newsbusted comments on Youtube, not here on NB...?
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Interesting, bt...The more "in-your-face" regular liberal posters like Leon and professortruth got bounced from the site. Yet, if those of us who remain dare object to being referred to as "maggots", we are "thin-skinned whiners".
Will do, Clear thinker...I honestly thought I could convince Dee and bt that Tom's rhetoric was inappropriate and should be explicitly rejected. But, I obviously thought wrong, so I'll say no more about it.
Jer
Just noticed that Dee did say she didn't agree with the "maggots" label, so she deserves credit for that.
All he did was ask you a question. I asked the almost the same question the other day, only mine was, your making a blanket statement about this site bending over for the leftist on this site
If you feel it is beneath you to answer the question that is fine but I for one applaud Candance for pointing out trollish talking points from the right as well as the left
Look C t...I said I wouldn't argue the issue anymore and I haven't and I won't; but, I did want to acknowledge that Dee had at least stated her diagreement with the wording-- which I hadn't noticed before my last post. If you and bt want to consider that as "not letting go", that's fine.
I'm not going to comment about bt Jer, but I do have something to say about Clear Thinker. He loves saying things like, "your wrong" "your misguided" etc
If you ask him to back it up, or answer the question, he calls us whiners......hmmm go figure :-)
As I said, shawn...I'm not going to argue the point any further. When I'm getting jumped on for trying to give Dee credit, I realize it's a losing battle.
Saying that the only thing he'd pay to read from him is his obituary did not imply he wished him dead.
Um, that's exactly what it implies.
And I mean, come on, read the laundry list of "things liberals hate." It's outrageous. I defy you to find a post in which one of us core group of NB liberals has offered as sweeping and hateful an assessment of conservatives.
For instance, I may disagree with the conservative stance on homosexuality and Iraq, but I certainly wouldn't say that conservatives HATE gays and Iraqis. What nonsense.
And I can't believe you're sticking up for SportPolitics Redux...
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
"I wouldn't waste my money on any of the tripe put out by this brain-dead liberal. Have never and will never buy any of his books or shell out money to one of his movies. I might buy a newspaper just to see his obituary though."
Yours in reference to it
"Um, that's exactly what it implies."
Jason that is what you what you want to read into it.You take it out of context and try to spin it your way.
Just a note:
Jason
"See Bal, the stereotype of the angry, hateful
conservative is clearly just a myth."
So is that implying that all conservatives are angry and hateful?
Point 1: It implies taking a certain degree of pleasure in King's death. There's just no way around it.
Point 2: This was only in regard to that particular poster and was, as you seem to have figured out, highly sarcastic.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
his death. Pleasure in judgment and pleasure in death are completely different and there is nothing wrong with people thinking that a higher power will hold people accountable for their actions after death.
If you are confident enough in your beliefs and your moral decisions coincide with your spiritual beliefs, then that type of comment shouldn't bother you because it is not vicious or threatening in anyway.
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I never really became
May 7, 2008 - 15:57 ET by SchnikeysI never really became interested in his material. I was more interested in Crichton when it came to reading novels...and this other author whose name escapes me, but certainly not King's works. I was handed a book or two of his...read a chapter or two, and then I put it down, never to read it again.
He just made a stupid mistake, assuming that any expression of less-than-positive viewpoints of Iraq or the military would go down well with the hip, Starbucks-sipping, rag-wearing, "sexy cosmopolitan" crowd...only to see his name come up on the wrong end of someone else's boot.
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If a book interests me I
May 7, 2008 - 16:03 ET by Dan The Man 2If a book interests me I will read it but wont buy.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Boycott is my thing,
May 7, 2008 - 16:14 ET by upcountrywaterIf i can get it for free, then fine ( I viewed sicko on line 4 free)..
HOWEVER, Kings next book will be about the evil blogger attacks, from the right.
So no I will not read his stuff for free.
The POPE says, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
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If a book interests me I
May 7, 2008 - 18:23 ET by NewsbusterbrownIf a book interests me I will read it but wont buy.
Same here. From now on, I'll pick up any of his books from the library, not the book store.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
I am not helping
May 8, 2008 - 14:24 ET by ahussercommerce. I go to the book stores and read the book there (to see if I like it) then go and see if it is in the library. Most libraries have intra-state loans so 99 per cent of books can be found and checked out.
I read
May 7, 2008 - 16:08 ET by DEVILDOCMOMking many years ago, but moved away from the genre...I read voraciously, but would never read him again. As I mentioned in another post, patricia cornwell had as the "perp" in one of her latest books a veteran from the Iraq war...I tossed that book right in the trash where it belonged.
I have emailed TV shows I like when they gratuitously use our veterans or the war in that manor.
He lost me
May 7, 2008 - 21:16 ET by GrannyGrump42He lost me with "Pet Semetery" to begin with -- What kind of sick freak writes a story in which an innocent child ends up in Hell? My husband had borrowed that book from a friend and I made him give it back. I wouldn't allow it in my house.
Then I heard the premise of "Insomnia", which is about the horrible right to lifers and how they're like the clown from IT only even more evil and that took him down in my estimation from "sick freak" to "not only a sick freak, but two damned dumb to think for himself, just imports moronic thoughts wholesale from the far Left".
Thus, none of this recent staggering stupidity disguised as moral supremecy comes as a surprise.
Devil
May 8, 2008 - 14:35 ET by ahusserI did the same with a book by Douglas Preston, Tyrannosaurus Canyon, the evil assasin or hired gun is an Iraqui vet. I stopped reading when he was identified as such. With Stephen King, I liked the Stand until it got weird with the prescient saintly oracular black grandma and the evil white guys in vegas. The description of the spread of the plague was first rate but it became very tedious and incredulous after that.
Of all of the books he's written
May 7, 2008 - 16:18 ET by SGriffisthe only two that were any good were "The Stand" and "Desperation".
You needed to list 1 more option to vote for......
May 7, 2008 - 16:21 ET by FowlerK9Although I've enjoyed his earlier works; The Stand, Christine, It. His piss-poor writing over the last 15 to 20 years is reason enough for me not to buy and/or read anymore of his books. As far as the ignorant comment he made regarding the military, well, stupid is as stupid does. I'm proud to have served in the Army and spent the last 4 years in Iraq defending his freedom to act like a dumbass. I hope he lives to be 100.
Fowler... Well
May 7, 2008 - 16:27 ET by bigtimerFowler...
Well stated...
Thank you for your service.
Too bad people like him don't think before opening mouth and inserting foot.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I read one of his books and
May 7, 2008 - 16:49 ET by mattmI read one of his books and saw several movies based on his books - he's good, but I find his stuff to be a bit on the 'disturbed' side.
I've read only two of his
May 7, 2008 - 16:56 ET by balboaI've read only two of his books before, so this doesn't really change much. I'm more of a Carl Hiaasen / Harlan Coben guy.
Hiassen's books have gotten
May 7, 2008 - 18:19 ET by zhombreHiassen's books have gotten real repetitive and lackluster, IMHO. He's basically a smart ass newspaper scribbler with only a peripheral understanding of character. His books have become cartoonish.
His last one was just OK,
May 7, 2008 - 18:23 ET by balboaHis last one was just OK, but I loved Skinny Dip.
Coben, on the other hand, I wish they would make a movie or TV series out of his Bolitar series.
Not particularly creative
May 7, 2008 - 17:15 ET by celatorWith two or three exceptions, King's books have, basically, the same theme: "Ohhhh! The big bad boogeyman is trying to get us. RUN!!!"
If you've read a couple of his books, you've read them all. Save your money.
Actually...
May 7, 2008 - 21:18 ET by GrannyGrump42Uncyclopedia sums up the plot of all Stephen King stories:
"It was a beautiful day... THEN EVIL CAME!"
I think King is the model for Howard Bell in Douglas Adams', "The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul" -- Nobody reads his books, but everybody buys them, because his name fits perfectly on the cover and he traded his soul for book sales.
Ex-Navy and I Can Read!
May 7, 2008 - 17:38 ET by bradbenj5952News flash for you Steven: as an ex-military person myself I can tell you that reading is a popular passtime with military folks. Yes, that's right, reading. And to read, they have to buy books. Looks like you may not only lose some market share in the military, but perhaps some in the ex-military community as well. You should think about things like this before making il-advised comments. Stick to writing and leave politics to the professionals. Good advice for Hollywood acting types too!!
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
Navy?? Read??? I though all
May 7, 2008 - 17:49 ET by bassndudeNavy?? Read??? I though all the Navy did was swab the deck:-)
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
YOU BEST KEEP A WEATHER EYE FOR SEABATS MATE ;-)
May 7, 2008 - 18:25 ET by CTCarbon Credits Smoke'em if you got'em!
BD
May 7, 2008 - 19:06 ET by well99Is that why they are called Swabbies?
I am not even sure how much
May 7, 2008 - 19:45 ET by DarasenI am not even sure how much of his own books he writes. Kign has become more of a brand name than anything else, much like Grisham or Clancy.
For novels in the horror / suspense genre I find John Saul to be superior.
I never got into that genre
May 7, 2008 - 19:53 ET by well99I did read Edgar Allen Poe and enjoyed his writing.That was when I was young.
As a writer King turns over
May 7, 2008 - 18:17 ET by zhombreAs a writer King turns over more product than Wal-Mart. I consider horror a limited genre and King's work now nothing more than the same repetitious gore, panic and people-are-meat-and-not-very bright-meat, to boot. Last weekend I viewed The Mist, and it's same old same old,things that go bump in the night unleashed by mad scientists that work for the government and are probably associated with Halliburton and it puts forth the same themes: people are mostly weak,panicky creatures; anybody who reads the Bible is whacko; and resistance is mostly futile. In that script too three soldiers are presented as useless, nothing more than bystanders; it's a real dis of the armed forces, consistent with the comments he made reported in NB (contrast that with a sci-fi classic from the Fifties, The Thing, in which the Air Force guys show initiative and work together as a team).
Voted yes, but...
May 7, 2008 - 18:49 ET by VT Con ManI get my King novels at yard sales for 5-25 cents each...
You're overpaying.
May 7, 2008 - 20:37 ET by Chris NormanYou're overpaying:)
1st 150 pages free....
May 7, 2008 - 21:03 ET by VT Con Mani know what you mean. :O
Talk about dragging out a
May 7, 2008 - 20:33 ET by MightyMouthTalk about dragging out a plot line... Stehpen is by far the "King" of that! (can you guess how I voted?)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I've found you can start
May 7, 2008 - 20:42 ET by Chris NormanI've found you can start reading many of King's books on, say, Page 150 and find that you haven't missed anything - know what I mean?
THE KING IS (BRAIN) DEAD...
May 7, 2008 - 20:47 ET by danybhoyI know Mr.King is a prolific writer, he's not stupid, but these remarks were stupid. He is exposing himself as an elitist jerk who has no respect for the very people who protect his right to say the disrespectful things that he said about those people.
Also, looking at today's military, I'm not sure you can be a dufus & function in what has become a very high tech operation. Today's weapon's are light years ahead anything ever seen, & we will move forward from here. I do not believe that Mr.King is smart enough to survive in today's military, not like I am, but then again, I actually repect them, unlike Mr.King.
The worst part of this story, is not that this idiot said what he said. Just like those in attendence when Rev.Wright was yelling about how America sucks, those listening to King were laughing, & then cheering his comments. Those who cheer these sorts of things are enabling these @holes, thus giving them a platform for their hatred of those who protect us...JERKS.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
I don't read fiction
May 7, 2008 - 21:00 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
i don't read fiction ...
May 7, 2008 - 21:10 ET by pmohbucki don't read fiction ... the fact that he looks like a creature from one of his own books doesn't help.
whatever (or whomever) told him to come up from the basement and show is face to the public ... made a huge mistake. he needs to quietly go back down there and stay.
slip covers with his face on the back could probably be used as weapon against terror.
Did you notice in the last blog on King........
May 7, 2008 - 21:33 ET by BEGRUNTThat picture of him looks like the "Grinch" without the green makeup, and wearing glasses?
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
I hope his book sales
May 7, 2008 - 21:29 ET by Cape Conservativetank immediately and NEVER again will he receive one cent! He is a TOTAL JERK! The men and women serving in our military are head and shoulders above anything he could dream to be. He isn't worthy enough to take out their garbage!
I used to be a big fam of
May 7, 2008 - 21:48 ET by SmartypantsI used to be a big fan of King's work, but he has gotten tremendously repetitive. He announced years ago that he was retiring, which in his language appears to mean ramp up his releases to about one every week. Since he "retired," the guy comes out with more books than when he was actually still working. I think somebody else said it best: King has basically written the same book about twenty times.
I never really liked him
May 7, 2008 - 21:55 ET by R D HelmI never really liked him before, anyway.
Besides, I am more into world, American and military history.
What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems. - Barack Obama, April 27, 2008
That's what libraries are for...
May 7, 2008 - 22:57 ET by AlabamaI never got into the whole "horror" genre-- scary stories still freak me out, and at 25, I'm a little old for a nightlight. But, King's non-horror stories, while still full of elements of the weird, are genius. The Green Mile, Hearts in Atlantis, and The Eyes of the Dragon are REALLY good stories.
I can't really say I'll never buy his books again, because I've never bought one before... that's what libraries are for. If he comes out with another non-horror book that sounds interesting, I'll get it at the library for free. I guess for the most part, as long as I'm not giving someone my money, I'm able to separate a person's political beliefs from the story they're writing. For example, I love John Grisham, but his political views are quite "lefty" as well. (Granted, I've never heard of him making a statement like King's, though.)
i am sorry
May 8, 2008 - 14:41 ET by ahusserI can't read Grisham, he is so lefty I think he co-wrote the communist manifesto with Karl Marx.
I've read the following. .
May 8, 2008 - 00:29 ET by tracheostomyI've read the following. . .
Carrie - Liked it.
Salem's Lot - Hated it. Especially the ending.
The Stand (unabridged) - Love it still to this day. No film version has ever done it justice.
Firestarter - Liked it. First King novel I ever read. I was a HS freshman IIRC.
The Dark Tower - Read I, II, III, and liked 'em all except III. The comic is just crap.
Different Seasons - Liked 'em all except for Apt Pupil.
Pet Semetary - Disgusting.
Thinner - I remember loving it. But I read it such a long time ago.
Misery - Liked it.
Needful Things - Started it, but never finished.
Gerald's Game - Disappointed with it. Surprised that I did finish it.
The Green Mile - Art. Period.
Lisey's Story - This was a gift given by a relative who wasn't aware how quickly a person's tastes can change. I started it, but never finished.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I just don't read that stuff
May 8, 2008 - 01:17 ET by justmeanymore. I did when I was in high school, but somewhere in college I began to look at what I was reading in a more philosophical way. What is this book communicating to me about life? About relationships? etc, etc. I think the last one I ever read was Needful Things. I didn't buy it, but my Aunt sent it to me and it seemed like I ought to read it if she paid for the postage. I no longer have that sort of guilty compulsion over someone else's expenditures. Somethings just 'ain't' worth honoring.
King
May 8, 2008 - 03:31 ET by UnsaneI read Stephen King in high school. People on here have shrieked in disgust about how warped and disgusting and dark he is...none of which bothers me, to tell you the truth. But then, I have a very dark sense of humor to begin with, so that doesn't easily faze me.
The Stand, which took me the summer of 1991 to read (alongside many other books), is one of my favorite novels. I also enjoyed The Dead Zone, Needful Things, Four Past Midnight (although "The Library Policeman" was where I drew the line, THAT was too disturbing even for me), and It. I started The Dark Half and never finished.
One of King's biggest problems is that he lacks artistic restraint. He simply does not know when to shut up and let the story progress. I can't figure out why I have to spend 30-40 pages on character development, even for central figures. For instance, you will start off on a scene, then sidetrack into a 30-40 page story about an event in what's-his-name's life that traumatizes him (for example) to this very day and so forth, before FINALLY getting to the point of that chapter.
I for one am appalled at his comments.
(I forget if the comment was here or on many of the other King threads, but it was noted by a poster that reading in the military is one of the biggest pastimes. This deployment I find myself in is giving the lie to that statement. All ANYONE wants to do here in their downtime is watch movies [ugh].) Movies movies movies. Ugh ugh ugh. But that being said, I won't touch another King book, and I haven't since leafing through Gerald's Game in 1993. His stupid comments only give me another reason not to buy his books.)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Why are we wasting our time?
May 8, 2008 - 08:39 ET by EllisWyattHonestly, I wouldn't give him this much publicity. He's only saying things like this to draw attention to himself.
I think his comments (and the email campaign that followed) are stupid, but I can't get outraged over him when people like Sean Penn are cozying up to foreign dictators.
If you're not outraged at the media, you haven't been paying attention.
Well
May 8, 2008 - 10:32 ET by dwillmoreI used to read every novel that he wrote, but he has not written anyhing great in a long time. I say this but being a Army vet I must be illiterate and because of this I did not really read his books previously. Maybe, only illiterates read Stephan King books?
I tried reading one of his
May 8, 2008 - 10:40 ET by HelenSI tried reading one of his novels once, don't remember which one, but it was so disgusting and evil that I threw it out - didn't even want it collecting dust on a basement shelf! I've watched a few of his movies and must say that while he (or whoever turns his novels into movies) can start a story with an interesting twist and generate mystery and interest, the ending always, ALWAYS, disappoints. It is inevitably a let down and a pathetic and pedestrian* unveiling.
But I guess that having peeked behind the facade of the man I can now explain that: he is a pathetic let down and a pedestrian little man.
* lacking in vitality, imagination, distinction, etc.; commonplace; prosaic or dull.
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
I was an avid reader of
May 8, 2008 - 11:32 ET by QueenMumI was an avid reader of King's books until "The Tommyknockers". The story was so convoluted, it seemed like King was trying too hard to throw together popular fictional elements rather than creating a good story. So, I'm not likely to read any more of his books anyway.
I'm not sure if it makes any difference if one "boycotts" someone like King. He's already made his millions and he's not going to change his political views at this point in his life. I think it more useful to publicly challenge him when he makes statements such as the one we've been discussing.
P.S. Perhaps it would be interesting to consider a public burning of King's books by members of the U.S. military.
I am the exotic Queen Mum, and I approved this message.
Yup, nothing says "free,
May 8, 2008 - 14:55 ET by JasonCYup, nothing says "free, pluralistic society" like a big ol' pile of burning books.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Jason C.: Are you saying
May 8, 2008 - 15:52 ET by QueenMumJason C.: Are you saying that it's untenable in a free society to protest by burning something? You seem to be suggesting a comparison to Fahrenheit 451. Sorry. It doesn't work in this case. First of all, we're not talking about the government seizing and destroying the books in order to control thought. Nor would this be a matter of infringing on someone's freedom of speech. In fact, to forbid the burning of King's books in protest would be a violation of free speech. Besides, it's not about the content of the books. It's about the author's disrespect for the U.S. military.
Since when does the term "free, pluralistic society" mean that everyone must accept everything that everyone else has to say? To me, a "free pluralistic society" means that I'm free to think differently. And free to express my disagreement in any way I choose, within the law.
I am the exotic Queen Mum, and I approved this message.
I was pretty much just
May 8, 2008 - 15:57 ET by JasonCI was pretty much just being cheeky. Suggesting that people refrain from reading King is fine. The image of organized book-burnings is so rife with Nazi innuendo that I couldn't help the dig.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
JasonC: "Nazi inuendo"? Are
May 8, 2008 - 17:46 ET by QueenMumJasonC: "Nazi inuendo"? Are you kidding?
Would you also label bra-burning as being rife with "Nazi inuendo"? The Nazi label only works if you're talking about the government doing the burning for the purpose of controlling the free exchange of ideas. How you can equate burning books in protest with Nazism doesn't make sense - even in the context of "being cheeky".
I am the exotic Queen Mum, and I approved this message.
Sorry Queen, but you can't
May 8, 2008 - 18:10 ET by JasonCSorry Queen, but you can't talk about the military (an extension of the government, btw) burning books without conjuring up some unsavory associations. I do see the hard, material distinction - hence the cheekiness - but still...
No, I would not equate bra-burning.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
King wrote the Shawshank
May 8, 2008 - 14:49 ET by ahusserKing wrote the Shawshank Redemption and the Green Mile. I enjoyed the movies and never read the stories. ( I don't think they were full blown novels.) He does write a lot of crap also. I think its like a roomful of monkeys with typewriters; write enough crap maybe some of it will be good. He is like a lot of celebs in Hollywood many are entertaining and I enjoy their work but most are lefty so they should just shut up and do what they do best and that is entertain. Almost all the bands from the 60's were leftoid freaks but I (hate to say it ) loved and still loved the music despite the politics. However I never buy or watch anything Sean Penn is in.
I agree
May 8, 2008 - 17:57 ET by RESTLESS 1I wish these people would realize they are nothing more than court jesters and village idiots, performing for our entertainment, and nothing more.
Wouldn't waste my money
May 8, 2008 - 16:18 ET by Tom in NCI wouldn't waste my money on any of the tripe put out by this brain-dead liberal. Have never and will never buy any of his books or shell out money to one of his movies. I might buy a newspaper just to see his obituary though.
“Does baloney fear the grinder?”
William F. Buckley, Jr. quote
Very rational.
May 8, 2008 - 16:23 ET by balboaVery rational.
balboa
May 8, 2008 - 16:38 ET by Tom in NCI read to advance my knowledge, King's books only advance brain atrophy
tom in NC
May 8, 2008 - 18:30 ET by balboaAnd his obituary would do....?
Gives me...
May 9, 2008 - 08:57 ET by Tom in NCStatistical info that another worthless liberal is barking in Hell.
You know, I pray for liberals but at the same time, their words and actions burn like fire when they they insult the very people that ensure them the freedom to spew their hate filled rants.
If you take offense at my words, that's your problem, I won't be an apologist to you or any other liberal, I have more self respect than that.
See Bal, the stereotype of
May 9, 2008 - 09:23 ET by JasonCSee Bal, the stereotype of the angry, hateful conservative is clearly just a myth.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Liberals know all about hate...
May 9, 2008 - 13:10 ET by Tom in NCHatred of Life in the Womb!
Hatred of Christians!
Hatred of the Military!
Hatred of Conservatives!
Hatred of Capitalism!
Hatred of anyone who speaks out against them!
You libs could write volumes on Hate, introspectively
You see anger and hatred in my words, I see fighting back against and ideology that dates back to the early days of the KKK, a democrat party that fought against civil rights, pushed through a law, not by legislature, but by activist judges to snuff out the life of a child in the womb.
What I will have to answer to will pale in comparison to what you maggots will have to answer to at judgement.
Your laundry-list certainly
May 9, 2008 - 13:16 ET by JasonCYour laundry-list certainly demonstrates a propensity for buying in, sheeplike, to stereotypes that apply to maybe 1 out 100 liberals. Well done.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Jason
May 9, 2008 - 13:25 ET by candanceI take no responsibility for the above poster. It's hard enough to be a conservative without so many "exhibit As" of name calling and fantacizing about someone's obituary.
Nobody asked you to
May 9, 2008 - 14:54 ET by Tom in NCNobody asked you to take responsibility for me, if you are not willing to fight for conservative principles then step out of the field of battle. I'm tired of stepping over the "conservatives" cowering in fear of the liberals
Oh, by the way, the correct spelling is "fantasizing" and what I was saying is that the newspaper obituary is the only article about King I would pay to read about.
None of what you write
May 9, 2008 - 13:35 ET by balboaNone of what you write applies to me. Perhaps you're invoking too much emotion in your argument, and it's clouding your mind. Get back to your Vulcan roots.
you know Bal
May 9, 2008 - 13:45 ET by candanceFolks like him tick me off, and I mean really. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I come to NB to discuss modern issues and sharpen my opinions about the world.
I hate folks like this, no matter their ideals, who pop into a thread with some variation of "those people are stupid" and then make no effort to debate anyone who argues back. That's the definition of a troll no matter which side if the aisle you're on.
Yeah, it's not helping
May 9, 2008 - 14:07 ET by balboaYeah, it's not helping anything, that's for sure. Thankfully, this kinda stuff is not in the majority.
He must not hate liberals
May 9, 2008 - 14:34 ET by JasonCHe must not hate liberals that much. He forgot about our hatred of allowing people who make 6- and 7-figure incomes to keep every last penny. Maybe that falls under capitalism, who knows. At any rate, his list is just adorable.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
I wanted to amend his
May 9, 2008 - 14:42 ET by balboaI wanted to amend his list:
Hatred of bad reality TV!
Hatred of paper cuts!
Hatred of Shemp!
But why, bal? Why do we
May 9, 2008 - 15:15 ET by JerBut why, bal? Why do we liberal maggots hate Shemp? I have to have an answer for judgment day.
Jer
Damn you liberals!
May 9, 2008 - 16:55 ET by well99Damn you to hell!How could you hate Shemp?You should all be ashamed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MTQa4QZ9qA&feature=related
SHEMP...
May 9, 2008 - 17:30 ET by danybhoyAre we talking about Shemp Howard from the 3 Stooges?
If yes, how can anyone hate Shemp? The man was the most underated of the Stooges. This is shocking, why???
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
bal has some 'splainin' to
May 9, 2008 - 17:48 ET by Jerbal has some 'splainin' to do.
Jer
He may have been joking...
May 9, 2008 - 17:54 ET by sarcasmoAnd people here will probably take this wrong (but it's really no insult, as Shemp was talented & funny IMO) but I always saw a strong resemblance between Shemp Howard and Ronald Reagan. I know, probably just me! :)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
I guess it's OK
May 9, 2008 - 15:07 ET by Tom in NCwhen someone like Stephen King insults the intelligence of our brave soldiers in your mind, I don't care how books he has sold or how many of them were made into movies, I'm a 16 year Air Force Veteran, and he stepped over the line like so many liberals before him and I don't need your permission to make my opinion heard.
GOT IT!!
Tom in NC - I agree with you and don't know if you post here
May 9, 2008 - 18:16 ET by Dee Bunkoften. You have been hit by all the resident liberals and I'm not sure why Candance jumped in.
There is nothing wrong with what you said and it's the truth. I wouldn't have made the comment about the obituary but I don't think it was the level of hate where liberals actually wish for conservatives to die.
So anyway -welcome if you are new and if not, sorry I just haven't seen you yet.
Thank you Dee
May 12, 2008 - 14:49 ET by Tom in NCI've been coming to this website for the last few years, but just recently started posting regularly. Thank you for the encouragement I enjoy getting under the skin of liberals and I hope I wasn't too offensive to any conservatives, but sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow no matter which side of the aisle you are on.
It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required. Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)
Dee...So, I take it then
May 12, 2008 - 16:55 ET by JerDee...So, I take it then that you agree with Tom referring to Jason and Bal, and apparently all liberals, as "maggots" who will have to answer for their "hatred" on judgement day?
Jer
No Jer - but I agree with his right to say it. and
May 12, 2008 - 17:21 ET by Dee BunkI agree that the list he made of things liberals hate is pretty accurate. You and Jason and Bal defend much worse things said by liberals. You guys started out calling him a hater for being angry with what King said. Saying that the only thing he'd pay to read from him is his obituary did not imply he wished him dead.
The fact that he says liberals who hate will answer for their hatred on judgment day implies that he is not going to carry out any violence or wish any to come to him. The many many liberal posters who wish all kinds of horrible things on conservatives wish them on them today here and now. That is 1,000 times worse. Tom is saying that he's confident enough in what he believes is right to let a higher power carry out punishment. There is nothing at all wrong with that.
Liberals not only wish horrible things on conservatives in much larger numbers than visa versa, they also excuse murderous actions of others like the so called insurgents in Iraq. They like to blame all evil in the world on conservatives (especially Christian and Jewish ones). So much so that if anyone attacks them, they must have had justification. It's sickening.
Hi Dee... I agree with
May 12, 2008 - 17:32 ET by bigtimerHi Dee...
I agree with you here...I was fighting for the same rights too this week-end on the Dkos thread...I am so sick of the whining here...it is getting past ridiculous, this thin-skinnedness (is there such a word...lol) is getting to be unreal.
(cp is another good example.)
Glad to see ya here...I'm in between a million things now, glad I checked in when I did here.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hi BT - I'm so glad I'm not the only one
May 12, 2008 - 17:38 ET by Dee Bunkwho notices it. Just even the Newsbusted post there are liberals on there wishing that we get cancer, saying F *ck the troops and all sorts of vile things and I'm the one getting my comments deleted. I haven't used swear words or wished death on anyone.
Dee... Oh you are so
May 12, 2008 - 17:47 ET by bigtimerDee...
Oh you are so right....I don't know that I can ever go to the comments again on NewsBusted...I haven't been that angry in a long time...it continued on through last night...and I still have a message to get to today sometime...that is if I do and who it is from...the leftist are just unbelievable....and they complain all the time here if we have a differing point of view and hurt their wittle fweelings if not expressed the way they think we should do it...point fingers, stomp feet and I'm gonna' go tell attitude is getting to be too much.
PCness goes awry...look what is happening to the dem. party with what they have now brought upon themselves from their own creation of PCness that took them fourty years to get there...and now they are reaping just what they have sown.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I'm assuming this is in
May 12, 2008 - 18:39 ET by JasonCI'm assuming this is in reference to the Newsbusted comments on Youtube, not here on NB...?
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Interesting, bt...The more
May 12, 2008 - 18:37 ET by JerInteresting, bt...The more "in-your-face" regular liberal posters like Leon and professortruth got bounced from the site. Yet, if those of us who remain dare object to being referred to as "maggots", we are "thin-skinned whiners".
Unbelievable!
Jer
Jer... Just give it a
May 12, 2008 - 19:20 ET by bigtimerJer...
Just give it a friggin rest would ya?
I'm tired of it all.
You are the one by the way who splits hairs here all the time, you always make a big deal out of nothing....and don't let go.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Let's see, bt... --I
May 12, 2008 - 19:41 ET by JerLet's see, bt...
--I never engage in unprovoked personal attacks
--I compliment well-reasoned counterarguments
--I always try to remain civil
--I've admitted my mistakes, and apologized when wrong
--I've condemned offensive rhetoric whether from the left or right
How exactly would you like me to reconstruct the tone, form, and content of my comments so that you would find them more suitable?
Jer
Jer... Take bd's advice
May 12, 2008 - 19:46 ET by Clear thinkerJer...
Take bd's advice and let it go.
"Abstain from McCain"
Will do, Clear thinker...I
May 12, 2008 - 20:07 ET by JerWill do, Clear thinker...I honestly thought I could convince Dee and bt that Tom's rhetoric was inappropriate and should be explicitly rejected. But, I obviously thought wrong, so I'll say no more about it.
Jer
Just noticed that Dee did say she didn't agree with the "maggots" label, so she deserves credit for that.
Jer... There you go
May 12, 2008 - 20:14 ET by Clear thinkerJer...
There you go again!
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct... Jer's the kinda'
May 12, 2008 - 20:16 ET by bigtimerCt...
Jer's the kinda' guy that has to, just has to get the last word in.
I am laughing as I type this too...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt... I'm counting down
May 12, 2008 - 20:20 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
I'm counting down to see how fast he responds to your post.
Jer... Just LET-IT-GO!
"Abstain from McCain"
Candance is right
May 12, 2008 - 20:29 ET by shawn228All he did was ask you a question. I asked the almost the same question the other day, only mine was, your making a blanket statement about this site bending over for the leftist on this site
The responses are pretty much the same every time
: i'm not playing your game
: I have had enough
: stop your whining "your response to cleverpig"
I know I am just curious about how exactly is this site bending over for leftist
If you feel it is beneath you to answer the question that is fine but I for one applaud Candance for pointing out trollish talking points from the right as well as the left
How about a group
May 12, 2008 - 20:35 ET by well99OOmm Ooomm
Time to check out some talented kids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9plPB83JdWU
There you go discriminatiing again well
May 12, 2008 - 20:44 ET by shawn228How about the less talented kids :-)
Wow Shawn
May 12, 2008 - 20:47 ET by well99What did I do to you..lol
Look C t...I said I
May 12, 2008 - 21:42 ET by JerLook C t...I said I wouldn't argue the issue anymore and I haven't and I won't; but, I did want to acknowledge that Dee had at least stated her diagreement with the wording-- which I hadn't noticed before my last post. If you and bt want to consider that as "not letting go", that's fine.
Jer
Hi Jer.
May 12, 2008 - 21:49 ET by shawn228I'm not going to comment about bt Jer, but I do have something to say about Clear Thinker. He loves saying things like, "your wrong" "your misguided" etc
If you ask him to back it up, or answer the question, he calls us whiners......hmmm go figure :-)
As I said, shawn...I'm not
May 12, 2008 - 22:04 ET by JerAs I said, shawn...I'm not going to argue the point any further. When I'm getting jumped on for trying to give Dee credit, I realize it's a losing battle.
Jer
Jer... What part of my
May 12, 2008 - 19:46 ET by bigtimerJer...
What part of my post did you not understand...
Give it a rest.
I am done here...you too might try that.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt...see above response to
May 12, 2008 - 20:00 ET by Jerbt...see above response to Clear thinker.
Saying that the only thing
May 12, 2008 - 17:40 ET by JasonCSaying that the only thing he'd pay to read from him is his obituary did not imply he wished him dead.
Um, that's exactly what it implies.
And I mean, come on, read the laundry list of "things liberals hate." It's outrageous. I defy you to find a post in which one of us core group of NB liberals has offered as sweeping and hateful an assessment of conservatives.
For instance, I may disagree with the conservative stance on homosexuality and Iraq, but I certainly wouldn't say that conservatives HATE gays and Iraqis. What nonsense.
And I can't believe you're sticking up for SportPolitics Redux...
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Jason
May 12, 2008 - 18:02 ET by well99Tom's Post
"I wouldn't waste my money on any of the tripe put out by this brain-dead liberal. Have never and will never buy any of his books or shell out money to one of his movies. I might buy a newspaper just to see his obituary though."
Yours in reference to it
"Um, that's exactly what it implies."
Jason that is what you what you want to read into it.You take it out of context and try to spin it your way.
Just a note:
Jason
"See Bal, the stereotype of the angry, hateful
conservative is clearly just a myth."
So is that implying that all conservatives are angry and hateful?
Point 1: It implies taking
May 12, 2008 - 18:38 ET by JasonCPoint 1: It implies taking a certain degree of pleasure in King's death. There's just no way around it.
Point 2: This was only in regard to that particular poster and was, as you seem to have figured out, highly sarcastic.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Jason
May 12, 2008 - 18:44 ET by well99There is a big difference from wishing someone is dead to taking a degree of pleasure from it.
Taking a degree of pleasure
May 12, 2008 - 18:47 ET by balboaTaking a degree of pleasure in someone's death ain't exactly neighborly.
I don't think Tom even implied pleasure in
May 12, 2008 - 19:07 ET by Dee Bunkhis death. Pleasure in judgment and pleasure in death are completely different and there is nothing wrong with people thinking that a higher power will hold people accountable for their actions after death.
If you are confident enough in your beliefs and your moral decisions coincide with your spiritual beliefs, then that type of comment shouldn't bother you because it is not vicious or threatening in anyway.