Conservatives are just observing Democrats duke it out amongst themselves. And we're watching with great interest how the Democrats handle the same gutterball dirty politics they've heaved at Republicans for years. This time it's hitting them and they're no longer able to turn the other cheek. It's the great Democrat Civil War! They're fighting each other.
I think it is in our interest to help him, I prefer a worthy opponent instead of a sleazy one. So I will keep giving advice.
How Obama stacks up against any of the four Repubs candidates only time will tell. But one thing for sure, none of our candidates have the sleaziness it takes to out sell Clinton, nor would I vote for such a one in any event. Without personal honor the power of the POTUS is too much of a temptation to abuse.
Secondly, Obama as a uniter would probably be more likely to compromise and work with the Repubs in Congress. The Repubs would be in a position to limit any damage he might do from his naivitee and at the same time drive the remaining Repubs more to the right politicially being the opposition party. If 2008 the WH goes to the Dems, in 2010 the Congress will go to the Repubs, the public will make sure of the division to protect their own collective interests.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
I remember helping my mother pass out cans of AuH20 (Goldwater) so I have deep conservative roots. Should it turn out to be Clinton vs. McCain, no brainer -- I vote for McCain. The Clintons are just plain dangerous and bad for the country. We already have plenty of evidence!
If it turns out to be Obama vs. McCain, I could be tempted to Obama. Either way I'm going to be mad at what either wants to do. I'd almost rather have Obama so that the Republican Party has a chance to draw a real distinction in four years. I find that I'd rather trust someone with no experience who would have to surround himself with good people rather than vote for someone that I just feel at this point I couldn't trust.
Of course, I'd much rather not be faced with this scenario if it's Romney on our side.
The conservatives are just sitting back and watching the show for now...
As far as I am concerned we would want to run against the Billary bile...Obama is going to have a huge following, like a run-away train...I am very wary of him as I have posted before, his speeches and oratory skills are getting better and better, the youth vote will be coming out in numbers I think this time for him, plus all the leftists who are joining the Obama band-wagon now, they have no fear now that the elitists Kennedy Clan says it's okay, I am quite sure the party knows and sees this too.
The Billary team has to be steaming and colored red right about now.
Personally I think people fear Hillary too much, she isn't winable. She may win the Democrat ticket, but she won't win the general. Everyone says John McCain is the only one who can beat her, and I think they are wrong. Anyone can beat Hillary except for McCain and Huck.
Obama would be harder to beat, because he is likable and charismatic and comes across as honest.
NH proves that Women will vote emotional if she goes out and crys enough. All it will take is one emotional attack on her femininity by a Republican in a debate and you can kiss the independent and unfortunately some conservative woman vote goodbye. I am not about to bet that conservative women will given their first chance to vote for a woman president go into the booth talking one thing and pressing another button. I will not bet against emotion ever.
I hear very conservative women talking that Condi should run as VP. This is not going away.
We need Obama to win, it will rip the confused social "conservative" union voters away from the Democrats. Drivers licenses for illegals? Obama gives us material we could never dream of.
If by change Democrats mean turning to failed welfare/nanny state ideas that's have been around for over a century, then it really is BACK to the future.
Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!
cool -- yeah I thinh there are many people who are so fed up with race being injected into everything they'll vote for Obama.
I don't think any thinking, active conservatives would vote for him in a million years based soley on his lousy policies, wrapped in a miasma of "feelings."
But I know that naturally conservative folks would think, you know what, maybe it is HIS time, and by his they mean a black guy.
Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!
Obama would get absolutely no conservative votes. Anyone thinking it is "his" time is or never has been a conservative. The only conservatives that would vote for him would be out of protest of the GOP nomination, no other reason. The anti-welfare, anti-affirmative action, anti-illegal, anti-muslim extremist position is way to strong with conservatives. All the McCain supporters are anti-muslim extremist they are not about to go for the man with the middle name Hussein!
Not to mention did everyone miss the Oprah backlash to endorsing Obama from all the liberal woman who watch her? Liberal woman do not even want Obama.
The only people considering Obama are those who idiolized the 60s, the Kennedys or feel guilty ect... not Conservatives.
I should have made myself clearer! I am talking "conservative" with a small "c." Not the party "C."
Most people ARE fairly conservative with a small "c."
But all the pollsters and vote analysts consistently tell us that elections are won by who can attract the highest proportion of the center left/center right, floating/independent vote, or however they are defined.
Given that the true believers are already commited to their party no matter what.
I'm just guessing but an Obama/Romney could be a close run thing.
However, that's not going to happen, because Clinton has it all tied up. I assume it's A Clinton v A Republican!
Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!
However, that's not going to happen, because Clinton has it all tied up. I assume it's A Clinton v A Republican! If it turns out as you say as in the fix is in for Hillary to take the nomination, I agree with your analysis from the other thread, I think we are going to see a major split in the Dem party that will essentially sink either Hillary or Barack in the 2008 general election. If Hillary wins by use of the super delegates, i.e. Bill Clinton and allies, most of the Black and youth vote is going to be disaffected to an extent they may not vote in the general election to register their displeasure. I don't see either group voting for a Repub in protest. On the other hand, if Barack wins the nomination, that means all the supporters of NOW are going to be really angry at the Dem party bosses for not fully supporting their perceived once in a lifetime female candidate for POTUS. They may not vote Repub in protest, but they may just stay home to register their dissapproval in the one way that will hurt the Dem Party. This is what happens when you engage in the politics of polarization, every group for themselves when the brass ring is just soooo close to be grabbed. Both women and blacks feel they are entitled to the Dem Party's support of their candidate, there can only be one and neither Clinton or Obama are going to even entertain the notion of playing second fiddle to the other as the VP, their egos are way too big. After years of lipservice the Dem party is going to pay the price for their empty sales rhetoric to all the victim groups they pandered to over the years. Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
While Romney or Rudy would destroy him. If McCain is nominated a large portion of the conservative base will simply not vote. It would be better to wait 4 years than to support a Pro-Amnesty candidate like McCain. But give them a choice between drivers licenses for illegals Barrack Hussein Obama the muslim raised, absolutely unqualified candidate and Romney or Rudy they will definitely vote against him. There is only so much 60s guilt vote to go around and they are already supporting him.
I said no also, and I agree that Obama will be harder to beat than Clinton, but these are awkward and dangerous times. There's a good chance Ron Paul will run as an indy, as well as Ralph Nader and Bloomberg. These guys could offset one another, but who knows. Hillary can be considered unwinnable, but her husband won two terms without a majority of voters, so anything is possible.
I think an Obama presidency would be less damaging to the country than a co-president Clinton disaster would be.
This question is allot like the one of America shouldn't have gotten rid of Saddam, because then al Qaeda started blowing things up.
One gets rid of thee worst candidate in Hillary Clinton, builds Obama up enough so that the cartel sinks him in order to bring in Al Gore and Mike Bloomberg..........THEN as the GOP rallies around Mitt Romney and VP Fred Thompson, the GOP CUDDLES UP TO OBAMA and works with him just like it does with Joe Lieberman.
I don't agree on anything Obama talks about except in trying to help Americans. He though is a person who will at least listen and not be a lying fatherless child like Bill Clinton stabbing Newt in the back after a deal was made.
Build Obama up. Keep Obama and Obama brings in the black vote for a majority into the GOP. This defeats the globalists and all is better for America.
Obama is a President Americans can live under as he will bring in more than token RINO's.........plus the fact is he has a deep interest in Africa and it is time that cesspool of communism is addressed as it is turning out Islamocommunist terrorists worse then al Qaeda.
Go Mitt Go as you now have my vote. Tied in the national polls and tied in Florida.
For the next question poll could Newsbusters please address the NEW HEADLINE out of the Ron Paul mob which states, "WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING. WE CARE ABOUT PRINCIPLE".
Yeah try putting people on the Supreme Court, passing liberating legislation and leading America out sitting in the turnip patch talking to rabbits about principle.
He was always my second choice if Thompson didn't make it..he so far has reinforced my support of him with listening to his various campaign stops...he is getting better too with handling the msm and fighting back with the likes of McCain.
By reminding people the truth about Hillary, by stating as I did below, that Obama would be a tougher canidate to beat in the general, and stating as I did below that he comes across as an honest likable guy. This is a conservative saying that, and you see it on all the blogs, talk radio etc.
At this point I don't see us winning this time around. A new leader is fast emerging as the standard bearer of the Democrats, and he brings more to the table in style for the base than Hillary ever could (forget substance from either).
On our side we have what? We are now so divided there seems no way we will rally around any GOP candidate long enough to get the elected.
The longer Obama is kept in play, the more Hillary and her incredibly stupid husband will damage the democratic party. The African-American vote won't suddenly vote for a Republican but neither will they vote for Hillary if they perceive her "good old boy" husband's ranting as racist attacks on their preferred candidate. They simply won't vote. A non-vote for Hillary is the same as a vote for a Republican.
This myth of letting a Democrat take control and then get thrown out when they make a mess of things is ignoring one huge factor in public perception - the media. Do you think any of the MSM is going to allow Hillary or Obama take any blame for the mess they make? Absolutely not. BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) will continue for many years to come. Everything bad in the next 10 years will be blamed on him and everything good will be credited to democrats. Why does anyone think that will change?
I dont know what i want more, obama to beat hillary because i want hillary to lose, or hillary to win to give a republican a greater chance at the white house. I think most conservatives can agree that obama would do less damage as president than hillary. His lack of substance would be favorable for those against his policies. I also think there are many democrats who would crawl through broken glass just to vote against hillary, and that would come to an advantage for any republican candidate.
I'm not Clinton supporter, but the conservative voices out there are going too far out of their way to back Obama over Mrs. Clinton. My fear is they are fueling this populist candidate, giving him more momentum which may be difficult to counter in a general election. And, make no mistake, Barrack Obama is not ready to be president of this country.
I don't see conservatives helping Obama as much as the Clinton's shooting themselves in the foot. Apparently, the Democratic Party has had an light bulb go off, in their heads that the Clinton's aren't really nice people. Hey, conservatives have know that for years.
It's also helped Obama that the media is on his side, at least for now, and are willing to call attention to the Clinton's misdeeds. That is a change from the past, but it hasn't come from conservatives.
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That depends on how are
January 28, 2008 - 16:17 ET by Chris NormanThat depends on how are they're "helping" him.
Not Helping...
January 28, 2008 - 16:28 ET by TaserCatConservatives are just observing Democrats duke it out amongst themselves. And we're watching with great interest how the Democrats handle the same gutterball dirty politics they've heaved at Republicans for years. This time it's hitting them and they're no longer able to turn the other cheek. It's the great Democrat Civil War! They're fighting each other.
I think it is in our
January 28, 2008 - 16:37 ET by dscottI think it is in our interest to help him, I prefer a worthy opponent instead of a sleazy one. So I will keep giving advice.
How Obama stacks up against any of the four Repubs candidates only time will tell. But one thing for sure, none of our candidates have the sleaziness it takes to out sell Clinton, nor would I vote for such a one in any event. Without personal honor the power of the POTUS is too much of a temptation to abuse.
Secondly, Obama as a uniter would probably be more likely to compromise and work with the Repubs in Congress. The Repubs would be in a position to limit any damage he might do from his naivitee and at the same time drive the remaining Repubs more to the right politicially being the opposition party. If 2008 the WH goes to the Dems, in 2010 the Congress will go to the Repubs, the public will make sure of the division to protect their own collective interests.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
My scenario of doom
January 28, 2008 - 16:58 ET by SpudhorseI remember helping my mother pass out cans of AuH20 (Goldwater) so I have deep conservative roots. Should it turn out to be Clinton vs. McCain, no brainer -- I vote for McCain. The Clintons are just plain dangerous and bad for the country. We already have plenty of evidence!
If it turns out to be Obama vs. McCain, I could be tempted to Obama. Either way I'm going to be mad at what either wants to do. I'd almost rather have Obama so that the Republican Party has a chance to draw a real distinction in four years. I find that I'd rather trust someone with no experience who would have to surround himself with good people rather than vote for someone that I just feel at this point I couldn't trust.
Of course, I'd much rather not be faced with this scenario if it's Romney on our side.
I am thinking about voting
January 28, 2008 - 18:17 ET by Dan The Man 2I am thinking about voting for Obie in the primary, but the GOP is such a toss up in Texas I may be letting McCain get in teh backdoor.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I voted no... The
January 28, 2008 - 16:32 ET by bigtimerI voted no...
The conservatives are just sitting back and watching the show for now...
As far as I am concerned we would want to run against the Billary bile...Obama is going to have a huge following, like a run-away train...I am very wary of him as I have posted before, his speeches and oratory skills are getting better and better, the youth vote will be coming out in numbers I think this time for him, plus all the leftists who are joining the Obama band-wagon now, they have no fear now that the elitists Kennedy Clan says it's okay, I am quite sure the party knows and sees this too.
The Billary team has to be steaming and colored red right about now.
Personally I think people
January 28, 2008 - 16:34 ET by Conservative VoicePersonally I think people fear Hillary too much, she isn't winable. She may win the Democrat ticket, but she won't win the general. Everyone says John McCain is the only one who can beat her, and I think they are wrong. Anyone can beat Hillary except for McCain and Huck.
Obama would be harder to beat, because he is likable and charismatic and comes across as honest.
Correct except that Hillary is more Dangerous than Obama
January 29, 2008 - 08:07 ET by PopularTechNH proves that Women will vote emotional if she goes out and crys enough. All it will take is one emotional attack on her femininity by a Republican in a debate and you can kiss the independent and unfortunately some conservative woman vote goodbye. I am not about to bet that conservative women will given their first chance to vote for a woman president go into the booth talking one thing and pressing another button. I will not bet against emotion ever.
I hear very conservative women talking that Condi should run as VP. This is not going away.
We need Obama to win, it will rip the confused social "conservative" union voters away from the Democrats. Drivers licenses for illegals? Obama gives us material we could never dream of.
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As a genral rule I don't
January 29, 2008 - 08:18 ET by Jack BauerAs a genral rule I don't think you should try to pick your opponents, as you might live to regret what you wished for.
However I don't agree with your analysis here. I think Mr Obama would be a very dangerous opponent in the general. He beats McCain easily, IMHO.
Politically they're reactionaries.. retread socialists calling themselves "progressives."
If by change Democrats mean turning to failed welfare/nanny state ideas that's have been around for over a century, then it really is BACK to the future.
→ Bauer
January 29, 2008 - 08:23 ET by Cool ArrowI don't think the "I most certainly am not prejudiced" leaning has been thoroughly investigated either.
BJ Clinton opened this can of worms and there might just be a significant backlash.
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cool -- yeah I thinh there
January 29, 2008 - 08:31 ET by Jack Bauercool -- yeah I thinh there are many people who are so fed up with race being injected into everything they'll vote for Obama.
I don't think any thinking, active conservatives would vote for him in a million years based soley on his lousy policies, wrapped in a miasma of "feelings."
But I know that naturally conservative folks would think, you know what, maybe it is HIS time, and by his they mean a black guy.
Not a chance
January 29, 2008 - 08:47 ET by PopularTechObama would get absolutely no conservative votes. Anyone thinking it is "his" time is or never has been a conservative. The only conservatives that would vote for him would be out of protest of the GOP nomination, no other reason. The anti-welfare, anti-affirmative action, anti-illegal, anti-muslim extremist position is way to strong with conservatives. All the McCain supporters are anti-muslim extremist they are not about to go for the man with the middle name Hussein!
Not to mention did everyone miss the Oprah backlash to endorsing Obama from all the liberal woman who watch her? Liberal woman do not even want Obama.
The only people considering Obama are those who idiolized the 60s, the Kennedys or feel guilty ect... not Conservatives.
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I should have made myself
January 29, 2008 - 09:19 ET by Jack BauerI should have made myself clearer! I am talking "conservative" with a small "c." Not the party "C."
Most people ARE fairly conservative with a small "c."
But all the pollsters and vote analysts consistently tell us that elections are won by who can attract the highest proportion of the center left/center right, floating/independent vote, or however they are defined.
Given that the true believers are already commited to their party no matter what.
I'm just guessing but an Obama/Romney could be a close run thing.
However, that's not going to happen, because Clinton has it all tied up. I assume it's A Clinton v A Republican!
However, that's not going to
January 29, 2008 - 13:15 ET by dscottHowever, that's not going to happen, because Clinton has it all tied up. I assume it's A Clinton v A Republican! If it turns out as you say as in the fix is in for Hillary to take the nomination, I agree with your analysis from the other thread, I think we are going to see a major split in the Dem party that will essentially sink either Hillary or Barack in the 2008 general election. If Hillary wins by use of the super delegates, i.e. Bill Clinton and allies, most of the Black and youth vote is going to be disaffected to an extent they may not vote in the general election to register their displeasure. I don't see either group voting for a Repub in protest. On the other hand, if Barack wins the nomination, that means all the supporters of NOW are going to be really angry at the Dem party bosses for not fully supporting their perceived once in a lifetime female candidate for POTUS. They may not vote Repub in protest, but they may just stay home to register their dissapproval in the one way that will hurt the Dem Party. This is what happens when you engage in the politics of polarization, every group for themselves when the brass ring is just soooo close to be grabbed. Both women and blacks feel they are entitled to the Dem Party's support of their candidate, there can only be one and neither Clinton or Obama are going to even entertain the notion of playing second fiddle to the other as the VP, their egos are way too big. After years of lipservice the Dem party is going to pay the price for their empty sales rhetoric to all the victim groups they pandered to over the years. Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
Of course Obama would beat McCain!
January 29, 2008 - 08:39 ET by PopularTechWhile Romney or Rudy would destroy him. If McCain is nominated a large portion of the conservative base will simply not vote. It would be better to wait 4 years than to support a Pro-Amnesty candidate like McCain. But give them a choice between drivers licenses for illegals Barrack Hussein Obama the muslim raised, absolutely unqualified candidate and Romney or Rudy they will definitely vote against him. There is only so much 60s guilt vote to go around and they are already supporting him.
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I said no also, and I agree
January 28, 2008 - 16:47 ET by BruzillaI said no also, and I agree that Obama will be harder to beat than Clinton, but these are awkward and dangerous times. There's a good chance Ron Paul will run as an indy, as well as Ralph Nader and Bloomberg. These guys could offset one another, but who knows. Hillary can be considered unwinnable, but her husband won two terms without a majority of voters, so anything is possible.
I think an Obama presidency would be less damaging to the country than a co-president Clinton disaster would be.
One can not defeat Hillary without helping someone else
January 28, 2008 - 16:50 ET by Lame CherryThis question is allot like the one of America shouldn't have gotten rid of Saddam, because then al Qaeda started blowing things up.
One gets rid of thee worst candidate in Hillary Clinton, builds Obama up enough so that the cartel sinks him in order to bring in Al Gore and Mike Bloomberg..........THEN as the GOP rallies around Mitt Romney and VP Fred Thompson, the GOP CUDDLES UP TO OBAMA and works with him just like it does with Joe Lieberman.
I don't agree on anything Obama talks about except in trying to help Americans. He though is a person who will at least listen and not be a lying fatherless child like Bill Clinton stabbing Newt in the back after a deal was made.
Build Obama up. Keep Obama and Obama brings in the black vote for a majority into the GOP. This defeats the globalists and all is better for America.
Obama is a President Americans can live under as he will bring in more than token RINO's.........plus the fact is he has a deep interest in Africa and it is time that cesspool of communism is addressed as it is turning out Islamocommunist terrorists worse then al Qaeda.
Go Mitt Go as you now have my vote. Tied in the national polls and tied in Florida.
For the next question poll could Newsbusters please address the NEW HEADLINE out of the Ron Paul mob which states, "WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING. WE CARE ABOUT PRINCIPLE".
Yeah try putting people on the Supreme Court, passing liberating legislation and leading America out sitting in the turnip patch talking to rabbits about principle.
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Go Mitt Go indeed... He
January 28, 2008 - 16:59 ET by bigtimerGo Mitt Go indeed...
He was always my second choice if Thompson didn't make it..he so far has reinforced my support of him with listening to his various campaign stops...he is getting better too with handling the msm and fighting back with the likes of McCain.
How can Conservatives
January 28, 2008 - 16:59 ET by MidAmericaHow can Conservatives influence the dems too much when we are having trouble influencing who the Republican candidate should be?
By reminding people the
January 28, 2008 - 17:16 ET by Conservative VoiceBy reminding people the truth about Hillary, by stating as I did below, that Obama would be a tougher canidate to beat in the general, and stating as I did below that he comes across as an honest likable guy. This is a conservative saying that, and you see it on all the blogs, talk radio etc.
"By reminding people the
January 28, 2008 - 17:39 ET by ckc1227"By reminding people the truth about Hillary, by stating as I did below,
that Obama would be a tougher canidate to beat in the general"
That's why we better chill a bit. I think Hillary getting the nomination is the only chance we have to win in 2008.
At this point I don't see
January 28, 2008 - 17:46 ET by Clear thinkerAt this point I don't see us winning this time around. A new leader is fast emerging as the standard bearer of the Democrats, and he brings more to the table in style for the base than Hillary ever could (forget substance from either).
On our side we have what? We are now so divided there seems no way we will rally around any GOP candidate long enough to get the elected.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
"A new leader is fast
January 28, 2008 - 17:50 ET by Conservative Voice"A new leader is fast emerging as the standard bearer of the Democrats"
you mean McCain?
CV...
January 28, 2008 - 21:37 ET by Clear thinkerNow that's funny!
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
Let Bill and Hillary destroy the democratic party
January 28, 2008 - 17:37 ET by libliebusterThe longer Obama is kept in play, the more Hillary and her incredibly stupid husband will damage the democratic party. The African-American vote won't suddenly vote for a Republican but neither will they vote for Hillary if they perceive her "good old boy" husband's ranting as racist attacks on their preferred candidate. They simply won't vote. A non-vote for Hillary is the same as a vote for a Republican.
This myth of letting a Democrat take control and then get thrown out when they make a mess of things is ignoring one huge factor in public perception - the media. Do you think any of the MSM is going to allow Hillary or Obama take any blame for the mess they make? Absolutely not. BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) will continue for many years to come. Everything bad in the next 10 years will be blamed on him and everything good will be credited to democrats. Why does anyone think that will change?
Agreed.
January 28, 2008 - 21:33 ET by SchnikeysAgreed (on the second paragraph, anyway).
I voted no.
January 28, 2008 - 17:49 ET by R D HelmThe conservatives apparently cannot even influence events in the very party that was once theirs.
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I dont know what i want
January 28, 2008 - 21:39 ET by ziplinedownI dont know what i want more, obama to beat hillary because i want hillary to lose, or hillary to win to give a republican a greater chance at the white house. I think most conservatives can agree that obama would do less damage as president than hillary. His lack of substance would be favorable for those against his policies. I also think there are many democrats who would crawl through broken glass just to vote against hillary, and that would come to an advantage for any republican candidate.
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I'm not Clinton supporter,
January 28, 2008 - 22:14 ET by SmartypantsI'm not Clinton supporter, but the conservative voices out there are going too far out of their way to back Obama over Mrs. Clinton. My fear is they are fueling this populist candidate, giving him more momentum which may be difficult to counter in a general election. And, make no mistake, Barrack Obama is not ready to be president of this country.
I don't see it.
January 28, 2008 - 22:39 ET by pbthinkerI don't see conservatives helping Obama as much as the Clinton's shooting themselves in the foot. Apparently, the Democratic Party has had an light bulb go off, in their heads that the Clinton's aren't really nice people. Hey, conservatives have know that for years.
It's also helped Obama that the media is on his side, at least for now, and are willing to call attention to the Clinton's misdeeds. That is a change from the past, but it hasn't come from conservatives.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
False Liberal Alliances
January 29, 2008 - 09:01 ET by PopularTechThe Black Community does not support the Gay Community
The Black Community does not support the Latino Community
Feminists do not support the Black Community
Non-Black Unions do not support the Black Community or the Feminists
Racial Politics, yes but that is what you get when you have a party that panders with words, instead of actions.
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