Petition/Group Calls for 9/11 Investigation


Great recent examples of informed citizens performing their moral and civic duties and taking action.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/9-11-Truth/

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006612310307


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The official US Commission

The official US Commission investigation into 9/11 has been widely discredited...

I am simply curious why you feel this way. What was your reaction to Saddams' execution?

JDW

Kerry: "You know, education, if you make the most of it ... you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

I believe the execution was m

I believe the execution was manipulated by unknown persons to stimulate sectarian violence in Iraq and elsewhere.  However, I don't disagree with his sentence, but I would't have disagreed with a sentence of life in a dank prison cell, either.  Either way, the point is that he was put in his position of power with the help of the U.S., so the relationship between the two countries has seemed farcical to me for the past 20+ years. 

R1The official US Commissio

R1

The official US Commission investigation into 9/11 has been widely discredited...

I am simply curious why you feel this way.
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I believe the execution was manipulated by unknown persons to stimulate sectarian violence in Iraq and elsewhere.

How do you feel about winning in Iraq?

JDW

Kerry: "You know, education, if you make the most of it ... you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

You made a serious spelling e

You made a serious spelling error here, Death.  Let me help you correct it.:  

M-I-S-I-N-F-O-R-M-E-D.

THE questions, part eight million

Here's an example of an informed, critical thinking citizen performing my moral and civic duty.  Behold, my list of questions concerning the WTC conspiracy, that is much whined about and smacked around, but NEVER EVER answered for some strange reason:

1) How much explosive material was used to bring down the towers?

2) How was it placed in the building?

3) How much was used in what locations?

4) How long did this process take?

5) How many people were involved in that effort?

6) Where were they procured from? (That big an order for explosives had to attract attention and could not escape notice...)

7) Where were they stored before being staged (set up for application)?

8) Where did the staging take place?

9) How were those staged explosives transported to the towers and when?

10) What steps were taken to ensure no one noticed what was going on?

11) How were these explosives transported to the storage location?

12) How many transportation assets were used to accomplish this?

13) What modes of transport were used in all cases transport was needed?

14) Who handled these transportation arrangements?

15) You have to get clearances to transport these explosives no matter what mode is being used. Who secured them and with whom?

16) How long did it take to execute the planning for this operation?

17) When was the green light given for the go-ahead?

18) How long did it take to procure, store, stage, and deploy the explosives?

19) What steps were taken to ensure secrecy?

20) How on earth could you hide ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY from innocent onlookers, observers and passers-by at all stages of the conspiracy?

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."  -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

Will somebody check the Unsan

Will somebody check the Unsane software program?  It seems to have a repetitive glitch and is unresponsive to accurate data input.

"…the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." - Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshal, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II.

You've never responded to a s

You've never responded to a single one of Unsane's points.  He effectively SILENCES your arguments by repeating the challenge, which you always shrink away from.  This post you've made in response is the semantic equivalent of conceding unsane is right.  You lose, LoD, again.

He effectively SILENCES you

He effectively SILENCES your arguments

What arguments?

JDW

Kerry: "You know, education, if you make the most of it ... you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

I can't really be upset with

I can't really be upset with all of you.  I know it's not your fault that you have been brainwashed your entire lives, possibly to the point of no return to reality and cognitive thinking.  I argue for a new investigation, which would work to uncover the answers to your questions.  This doesn't mean that you've proved anything, besides my point, which is to find answers to questions.  I know that your precious logistics list is a security blanket that you hide under because you are scared of anything beyond what you see with your own eyes.  My refusal to argue technical data only obtainable with court order or FOIA doesn't prove my argument wrong:  EXPLOSIVES brought down the buildings.  Here is a short video of various media outlet coverage of the events, including the explosions LIVE, as well as eyewitness accounts, none of which ANY of you can refute, period. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KLc0_La6p8

As for an update to the origi

As for an update to the original topic...

By John Briggs
Free Press Staff Writer

January 9, 2007
Burlington voters on Town Meeting Day will be the first in the country to vote 'yes' or 'no' on reopening the investigation into what happened Sept. 11, 2001.

As of Jan. 4, a local group had gathered 1,240 of the approximately 1,350 signatures (5 percent of registered voters) required to put the question on the ballot, and a member of the group, Burlington attorney Frank Haddleton, expressed confidence Monday that they now have more than enough signatures.

The question would ask the Vermont congressional delegation to "demand a new, thorough, and truly independent forensic investigation" to answer "the many questions" the group says remain about what happened the day planes commandeered by terrorists smashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

In September, the council unanimously passed a resolution promising they would honor the Vermont tradition of allowing such questions if they garner enough signatures, "whether or not they like the questions or agree with the petitioners."

Monday, the council agreed unanimously that they wouldn't vote on putting the 9/11 question on the March ballot after City Attorney Joe McNeil said the September resolution had put the council views on record and that the question would be on the ballot if the signatures were submitted by Jan. 25.

The group said in a letter to the council that it doesn't "advance any particular alternative theory" about what happened Sept. 11, 2001, but thinks the day's aftermath, including wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, are so serious that a new investigation is warranted "to get answers to hundreds of questions raised by independent researchers, members of the intelligence community and family members of 9/11 victims."

The attacks, the letter said, have been cited as justifications for the wars, "wiretapping, the USA PATRIOT Act, torture, indefinite detentions without charges, and the recently passed Military Commission Act that suspends the writ of habeas corpus. We maintain that until the serious, credible questions about 9/11 are addressed, the government has no right to ask us to compromise the Constitution or engage in any new wars again terrorism."

The group's spokesman, local author and musician Marc Estrin, said the ballot item would be the first of its sort in the United States.

"We're all very pleased that the council voted not to interfere and let it go forward if we come up with the signatures," Haddleton said.

The last President to suspend

The last President to suspend the writ of habeas corpus was Lincoln. 

The Patriot Act is nothing more than existing laws put under one banner.

Don't want to get wiretapped, period?  Don't call terrorists in the Middle East.

Oh, and it's nice to see that you are bending over backwards to not answer my simple little questions.  If things happened at the WTC on 9/11/01 the way you say they did, answering those questions should be NO problem whatsoever. 

If utilizing critical thinking skills (instead of blindly believing every conspiracy that comes down the pike) is a sign of being brainwashed, then I am guilty of being brainwashed.  But I LIKE to critically think. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Was the original WTC bombings

Was the original WTC bombings back in '93 also a government conspiracy?

Personally the idea that the government was responsible for 9/11 is sick and twisted. Anyone who believes in it needs to take a long hard look at themselves and possibly get themselves some mental help.  Your fellow citizens died because of radical terrorists and you belittle that attack by accusing the government.   God have mercy on your soul.

This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave. 

Your refusal to argue technic

Your refusal to argue technical data (and my questions are hardly technical) does prove your argument wrong: if explosives brought down the WTC, someone would have noticed their production, much less their movement, much less their staging, much less their storage before their deployment, much less their being deployed in the towers, and so on.  Since you simply cannot answer, or even deal rationally, with those questions, I have to embrace cold hard reality and admit that yes, two 767s piloted by terrorists brought down the World Trade Center buildings. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Here, let me speak in vocabul

Here, let me speak in vocabulary you can understand: duh duh duh, duh duh-duh duhduh.  Duh duh duh duh duhduhduh, duh'duh duh duhduh duh. 

You're done, Neo-Clone.  You can't hang with the truth.  Why don't you try that bullsh*t on a website that has more than two people that disagree with you?  You would have had to be in on it to know how the explosives were set up, stupid ass.  Thats what a REAL investigation would be for.  Pat yourself on the back all you want, you still haven't proved the video I linked didn't show explosions, journalist reports of explosions, and eyewitness accounts of explosions, including firefighters.  You are misguided from the beginning, since you obviously have never looked up the word "conspiracy".  YOUR story fits the definition of a conspiracy theory: two or more people plotted in secret.  Only YOUR story has no evidence to back up any of it's claims.  The big bad terrorists attacked us?  PROVE IT.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." - Abraham Lincoln

Since you brought up the Patr

Since you brought up the Patriot Act...

In response to things not seen, the USA Patriot Act was rushed through Congress and signed forty-five days after 9/11. We are expected to believe that its carefully crafted 342 pages were written in that short time. Actually, it reads like a continuation of Clinton's post-Oklahoma City antiterrorist act. The Patriot Act makes it possible for government agents to break into anyone's home when they are away, conduct a search and keep the citizen indefinitely from finding out that a warrant was issued. They can oblige librarians to tell them what books anyone has withdrawn. If the librarian refuses, he or she can be criminally charged. They can also collect your credit reports and other sensitive information without judicial approval or the citizen's consent.

Finally, all this unconstitutional activity need not have the slightest connection with terrorism. Early in February, the Justice Department leaked Patriot Act II, known as the Domestic Security Enhancement Act, dated January 9, 2003. A Congress that did not properly debate the first act will doubtless be steamrolled by this lawless expansion.

Some provisions: If an American citizen has been accused of supporting an organization labeled as terrorist by the government, he can be deprived of his citizenship even if he had no idea the organization had a link to terrorists. Provision in Act II is also made for more searches and wiretaps without warrant as well as secret arrests (Section 201). In case a citizen tries to fight back in order to retain the citizenship he or she was born with, those federal agents who conduct illegal surveillance with the blessing of high Administration officials are immune from legal action. A native-born American deprived of citizenship would, presumably, be deported, just as, today, a foreign-born person can be deported. Also, according to a recent ruling of a federal court, this new power of the Attorney General is not susceptible to judicial review. Since the American who has had his citizenship taken away cannot, of course, get a passport, the thoughtful devisers of Domestic Security Enhancement authorize the Attorney General to deport him "to any country or region regardless of whether the country or region has a government." Difficult cases with no possible place to go can be held indefinitely.

Where under Patriot Act I only foreigners were denied due process of law as well as subject to arbitrary deportation, Patriot Act II now includes American citizens in the same category, thus eliminating in one great erasure the Bill of Rights.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/US-Patriots-Vidal2jun03.htm

I want evidence of someone's

I want evidence of someone's rights being violated.  Why isn't anyone beating down your door for posting what you just posted if what you say is true? 

I can type on blogs and post my opinion all day.  My conversations haven't been eavesdropped upon, and if they were, I bet that poor dumb bastard is still sleeping. 

Look out!  The beasts aren't under your bed, they are all flying black helicopters and they are looking for YOU...........

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

If you are so sure of your th

If you are so sure of your theories, you can answer my questions.  I am hardly done.  I think I've just warmed up, in fact. 

And before you demand anything out of me, go back to my post and answer my questions.  They are extremely simple, and posts like yours where you are clearly throwing a temper tantrum are showing me that they get under your skin. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

My video of explosions trumps

My video of explosions trumps your wish list, little sheep.  Keep dreaming!

Nope!  For if your video (wh

Nope!  For if your video (which I am sure was not doctored in ANY WAY) is truthful...

1) How much explosive material was used to bring down the towers?

2) How was it placed in the building?

3) How much was used in what locations?

4) How long did this process take?

5) How many people were involved in that effort?

6) Where were they procured from? (That big an order for explosives had to attract attention and could not escape notice...)

7) Where were they stored before being staged (set up for application)?

8) Where did the staging take place?

9) How were those staged explosives transported to the towers and when?

10) What steps were taken to ensure no one noticed what was going on?

11) How were these explosives transported to the storage location?

12) How many transportation assets were used to accomplish this?

13) What modes of transport were used in all cases transport was needed?

14) Who handled these transportation arrangements?

15) You have to get clearances to transport these explosives no matter what mode is being used. Who secured them and with whom?

16) How long did it take to execute the planning for this operation?

17) When was the green light given for the go-ahead?

18) How long did it take to procure, store, stage, and deploy the explosives?

19) What steps were taken to ensure secrecy?

20) How on earth could you hide ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY from innocent onlookers, observers and passers-by at all stages of the conspiracy?

Just shut your mouth, stop running away like a coward, and answer the questions. If your pathetic little video trumps my questions, you should be able to answer these without breaking a single drop of sweat!

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

"you still haven't pro

"you still haven't proved the video I linked didn't show explosions, journalist reports of explosions, and eyewitness accounts of explosions, including firefighters."

Ummm, yeah, about that. What is there to prove? My neighbor's house burned down recently, and there were explosions while it burned. Did Bush plant explosives in his house too? Why would explosives have to be planted in the WTC? What, 3 planes crashing into the WTC and the Pentagon wouldn't be enough to motivate America to take action? Yeah, I can see it now, most Americans say "You know, I could live with them crashing planes into the Pentagon and the WTC, but dammit, crashing that plane in a Penn. field was just too much and pushed me over the edge."

We here like to rag on the junk science behind global warming, but the junk science behind the 9/11 numbtards makes the global warming science look like the most sound science there ever was.

Liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid.

50,000 gallons of kerosine...

50,000 gallons of kerosine... nah, had to be something else...

Explosives my ass.No reputabl

Explosives my ass.

No reputable civil engineer claims any of the WTC structures destroyed on 9-11 were brought down by anything other than the effects of the two aircraft crashing WTC 1 & 2. 

Moreover, you have not now nor at anytime previous ever adequately addressed teh logistical issues rised bu unsane with respect to wiring the WTC for a controlled demolition.

Last, you and the rest of these conspiracy kooks constantly finger the Bush administration as the perp, yet it is clear from the statements of one of your own experts, Mr. Jowenko, that prep for a controlled demolition of those structures would have taken at least one year to carry out, which if your allegations were true, means it was the Clinton Administration who set the whole thing up.

The conspiro "million dollar challenge"

Maybe we need to set something up like the "James Randi Million Dollar Challenge" for these clowns.  Meaning, once THEY (not some video they see on the Internet or whatever some fringe website says) prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the WTC towers were destroyed by an explosive conspiracy, we will pay them $1 million. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!  You know nothing besides what ideas or thoughts you outright STEAL from others that have already put forth such an idea!  Dipsticks,  a million-dollar challenge was already made by Jimmy Walters to liars and accessories to murder like you two.  You and your straw-man lover need to get a room.

I guess you jerk it to FOX ne

I guess you jerk it to FOX news until you see something like what is in the EXPLOSION videos, huh?  Tsk tsk... poor babies, covering your eyes thinking the bad things will go away because you're not looking at them.  Get real, posers. 

I'll make a deal with you.  I'll answer every question on your list if you show me one government person who was fired or in any way punished for the "failures" of 9/11.  Happy hunting!

libdeath - who was fired fo

libdeath - who was fired for Pearl Harbor?

All of you are some kinda pat

All of you are some kinda pathetic!  No one has proved that there weren't explosions at the towers.  All any of you can do is change the subject and then pat yourselves on the back and slap each other's asses like you are actually right.  Until anyone proves that eyewitnesses of all kinds saw and were even hurt by pre-plane crash explosions in the basement and lower levels of the two towers, you haven't said squat.  Why can't you prove there wasn't any explosions?  I have produced video evidence, what have any of you shown?  A made up list?  Denial with no proof or evidence to back it up?  Such cowards!  Just because you wasted your time thinking of logistics questions that only the criminals responsible would know doesn't mean there weren't explosions, despite your twisted logic.  Quit talking crap without backing it up.  PROVE THERE WERE NO EXPLOSIONS OR DON'T BOTHER COMMENTING.

Poofs of smoke do not PROVE

Poofs of smoke do not PROVE anything. Do you not think the collapse of support columns as each MASSIVE floor pancaked onto the floor below could cause poofs of smoke??? How dense are you??

You don't come in here and make some wild arse accusation and then expect people to prove it wrong. Earth to Liberty... the burden of proof is on YOU. YOU must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the twin towers were brought down by explosives. YOU must provide evidence of how and when this massive undertaking took place. YOU. YOU.

Have you ever seen a building prepped for demolition. It is a massive undertaking. The building is gutted so they can get to the support structures. Beams are cut. Explosives and wiring is EVERYWHERE. PROVE when and where this was done.

Do you realize just how assinine your line of reasoning is??? How about this. I think that Martian death rays brought down the towers. Prove that it didn't. Ah hah! You can't. So it must be true. BRILLIANT reasoning there liberty.

You have to really DESPERATELY want to believe crap like this in order to fall for it. And there is no explanation for such desperation other than an intense hatred of President Bush.

Get a life. Spend half the time and energy on doing something productive as you do on this crap and you could really make a difference in this world. GROW UP.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Jerry...Feel free to argue wi

Jerry...

Feel free to argue with LOD all you want, but it's a losing proposition. He and his fellow kooks get together at other sites and all they talk about is '911 conspiracy', the 'New World Order', the 'Illuminatti', 'Big foot' and UFO's.

They do this every hour of every day and have convinced themselves that everything you and I know as truth is all smoke and mirrors. So I wish you all the luck in the world getting through to him.

Thanks for the heads up CT.

Thanks for the heads up CT. I think NB needs to add an "insanity" filter for the "recent comments" list.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Jerry...Good idea!

Jerry...

Good idea!

lod

First, you are correct. There were explosions in the towers when the airliners slammed into them.

The idea that there were explosions prior to the airliners impacting the buildings is total nonsense, as there were several film crews in the area at the time, including one that got up-close footage of the first plane to hit. Ever notice every time there is a plane crash in the news, someone invariably steps up and tells the reporter they saw the plane explode in midair, yet that rarely ever really happens.

Second, when buildings collapse, tons of dust is blown out of them as the air is compressed and forced from the building.

Haven't you ever seen them implode a building? The amount of dust blown into the air is incredible.

Yes I have.  As a matter of

Yes I have.  As a matter of fact I saw three implosions in one day,  September 11, 2001.

This concept is really more than sick.

This concept is really more than sick.

It borders on psychotic.

ACA

...

Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Borders on? It is already

Borders on? It is already a soveriegn nation.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Folks. Don't feed the troll.

Folks. Don't feed the troll.  Somehow he escaped from under his bridge. 

PROVE THERE WERE NO EXPLOSION

PROVE THERE WERE NO EXPLOSIONS OR DON'T BOTHER COMMENTING

PROVE THERE IS NO SANTA OR DON'T BOTHER COMMENTING

PROVE THERE WERE NO EXPLOSION

          

Wrong ! Lord of Destruction

Wrong ! Lord of Destruction.

The only thing available on 911 WTC day to burn and melt metals and bring down the towers was jet fuel, as you retards have told me a thousand times.

the 9/11 conspiracy finally revealed....

Courtesy of http://puh-leeze.blogspot.com/

Loosed in Translation

Let me preface this by saying that I DO NOT believe that this government could have successfully orchestrated Sept. 11 as a phony terrorist attack. Far, far too many people would have to have been involved and complicit in - in other words, in support of – murdering their fellow Americans. Think about it, this administration can't even keep secret a tiny little international/domestic eavesdropping program being conducted by the government MOST GUARDED agency!!

For those who still aren't skeptical about Loose Change, answer me this: you're an evil conspirator in the government and you want to orchestrate a Pearl-Harbor-like attack to get the nation to rally around the war in the Middle East that you're eager to wage. Um... wouldn't one plane smashed into the World Trade Center be enough? Or even one into the WTC and one into the Pentagon? Or even two into the WTC and one into Pentagon? Why go to all the trouble of demolishing the buildings? And why oh why fake a plane crash in the middle of Pennsylvania?

In order to do that (according to the movie) you've got to have lots of people involved... evacuating an Ohio airport, secretly offloading hundreds of passengers, faking their phone calls to loved-ones, killing them, hiding their bodies, manufacturing a phony black box recording, faking the crash site, transporting the phony wreckage to the phony crash site. And for what possible purpose?

Consider the scenario....

(in a secret government meeting room, somewhere in a secret government location....)

"Okay, so we've decided: we're going to hijack two airplanes carrying our fellow Americans and crash them into the heart of our country's financial center - which will be full of tens of thousands of American workers. That ought to get this country angry enough for war!"

"Uh, sir? I'm not sure that's enough. How 'bout we find a way to rig the buildings in advance so they'll collapse after the planes hit?"

"Hmmm.... interesting idea Smith. How would we do that?"

"Well, we'd have to hire a contractor and probably a hundred or so workers. And find a way to clear the building for several days before hand. Oh, and we'd have to make sure that all those contractors were as evil as we are and wouldn't mind killing thousands of their fellow citizens. Shouldn't be a problem."

"Great. Let's do that too. Add that to the list."

“Excuse me?”

“Yes Johnson?”

“Why do we need to collapse the buildings? Don’t we think Americans will be angry enough at hundreds of dead airline passengers and WTC workers?”

“Shut up Johnson.”

“Yes sir.”

"Hey! And let's let lots of people in the WTC know that it's going to happen so they can benefit by insider trading!"

"Now that's thinking Smith. Get right on it! So... are we decided then?"

(chorus) "Yes sir!"

"Sir, I have another great idea."

"Let’s hear it Smith."

“Let’s get a third plane and crash it into the Pentagon!”

“Wow. The Pentagon. I like the way your murderous mind works Smith. Somebody put three planes on the requisition list.”

“Well, instead of an actual plane, I was thinking we could just use a missile and tell the American public that it was a plane.”

“Hmm... so we don’t hijack a third airplane?

“Oh no, we still hijack a third plane, but we don't crash it, instead we fire a missile into the Pentagon and say that it's the plane we hijacked.”

“Wouldn’t it be easier to just crash an actual plane?”

“Well, yes, it would be easier. But I was talking with Stevens here, from the Office of Making Things Exponentially More Complicated Than Necessary, and he thinks that not only should we use a missile instead of the plane that we’re going to have to hijack anyway, we should offload all the passengers and crew somewhere else, kill them, and then return the plane to the airline.”

“So we kill the passengers and crew at some other location and then transport all the dead bodies to the Pentagon?”

“No we’ll just dump the bodies somewhere else, maybe a mass grave in Iraq - dress them all up to look like dead Kurds or something.”

“How will we explain the fact that there are no passengers’ bodies at the crash site? And no plane?”

“We’ll say they were incinerated in the fire.”

“Hmmm... that makes no sense whatsoever. I think I like it.”

“Excuse me?”

“What is it this time Johnson?”

“Why return the plane to the airline?”

“Shut up Johnson”

“Yes sir.”

“Okay, so I think we’ve got it. We hijack three planes, crash two of them into the WTC which we’ve prewired to crumble into dust, take the third plane and disappear it long enough to murder the passengers and crew then return that plane to the airline (Stevens, make a note to find an evil airline that will go along with that) and fire a missile into the Pentagon that we will then claim is the missing airplane. Now that will definitely get us a war! The public will be outraged!!! So I guess we’re all decided.... Wait. As long as we’re destroying the twin towers, lets blow up that ugly little building on the side too. I never liked that building.”

(chorus) “Yes sir. You da man!”

"Sir? I recommend that we also crash a plane into Pennsylvania."

"Pennsylvania? Into what, the Amish?"

"No. Just a field in Pennsylvania."

“Smith, I like the idea of killing innocent Americans as much as the next government official, but we’ve already stretched ourselves pretty thin here. We’ve got to find evil contractors to help us blow up the WTC, evil capitalists who’re willing to profit from it even while they’re sitting in the building that they know is about to be hit by an airplane, murderers who will kill the passengers of the plane we’re not crashing and help dispose of the bodies, an evil airline to take the supposedly-crashed plane back, evil military types with missiles to launch one at the nation’s military command center... the list goes on and on. And I think we’ve got our war pretty well sewn up with what we’ve got here. I don’t see why we need to attack a Pennsylvania field.”

"Yes sir. But you haven’t heard the rest of my idea. Instead of just hijacking the plane and crashing it into the field - that would be easy enough - we’ll hijack the plane, fly it to Ohio, unload everyone (and kill them of course) then create a fake crash site in Pennsylvania and transport the bodies there along with some fake wreckage!"

"Wouldn't it be easier to just hijack the plane and crash it?"

“Well of course. But if we do it my way we could let literally hundreds MORE unnecessary people in on our plan!”

“You’re right Smith, when it comes to a huge secret conspiracy like we’re planning, the more people involved, the better.”

“Oh, and before we kill the passengers and crew, we’ll record their voices and use some brand new and still pretty untested technology to place phony phone calls to their loved ones telling those loved ones that they’re going to die! That way we’ll have even more people involved.”

"Smith, you're a genius. No one can concoct a super-secret conspiracy like you."

“Excuse me?”

“This better be good Johnson.”

“I don’t know if I can really go along with this. I mean, isn’t just one plane into one tower plenty of carnage to get us our war? After all, only a few hundred soldiers died at Pearl Harbor and that led to a World War. Isn’t this, well,
overkill?”

“You really feel that way Johnson?”

“Yes sir.”

“Somebody shoot Johnson.”

(chorus) "Yes sir!"

"Sir! Wait!"

"Smith?"

"Instead of just shooting Johnson, why don't we take off all his clothes and throw them out the window? Then we can tell people that he jumped and killed himself but that his body vaporized upon contact with the ground. Then we'll call an emergency evacuation of this building so that we can walk Johnson buck naked down thirty floors and into the parking garage, where we'll take him into the security room and have a dozen-or-so evil teamsters beat him senseless with tire irons. Then we'll get a squad of evil cheerleaders to ..... "

LOL! Liberty must get his

LOL! Liberty must get his material from the same site! I especially like the "Office of Making Things Exponentially More Complicated Than Necessary" department. I think lawyers and lawmakers and libertyordeath are lifetime members of that organization.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

That's a nice opinion, but th

That's a nice opinion, but that's all it is.  That is based soley on your opinion about  what happens behind closed doors.  Go ahead and explain how the Muslim boogeymen carried out the most carefully orchestrated successful attack on ever on the U.S. from caves using boxcutters.  It's too big of a job for black ops in our government (and other governments), but delusional cave-dwellers with low-tech package opening equipment? No problem!

OK libertyordeath. Bush did.

OK libertyordeath. Bush did. Blew up americans to enrich his buddies. OK. So now what? What will you and your ilk do? NOTHING.

How come most americans laugh at your opinions?!? Are you SO MUCH smarter than everyone else? I have been reading your work around here and I haven't seen you launch 1 credible idea. Put your tinfoil hat back on and go play in traffic.

Go ahead and post your proof

Go ahead and post your proof that "most americans laugh at [my] opinons."  Mind you, the number of members at News"busters"  don't constitute a majority percentage of the american populus, so good luck finding evidence to back up your OPINION.

lod

lod, the best poll for your side says 1/3rd of americans think there is somecoverup- of some sort, that includes officals that weren't doing their jobs that should be fired,not just conspiracy wacko bush did it nutball scenarios like yours.

So in fact, most Americans do think you're insane, and laugh at you. Even a portionof that 33% think you're insane and laugh at you,as they just want some people held for errors and fired.

So you're not even credible this time. You're a liar, basically, and a lousy one at that.

Here's why most think you're an idiot Lord of Destruction

Here's why most think you're an idiot Lord of Destruction, because the Zogby poll that you fools put on your websites SAYS SO.

[ Both men and women and residents in each of the four regions are more likely to say the U.S. government and 9/11 Commission are not covering up anything. Majorities who agree include Republicans (64%), 50-64 year-olds, married adults, suburbanites (59%), Protestants, those with at least some college education, and people with annual household income of $50,000 or more (57%).

VS the poor morons and fools below...LOL

Majorities (50%-56%) of Democrats, 18-29 year-olds, Hispanics, single adults and those who are divorced/widowed/separated, residents of small cities( THE RURAL RETARD DEMS), and adults with less education than a high school diploma believe the government and 9/11 Commission are covering up something. Nearly half of independent voters (48%) agree.]

ROFLMAO - YOU'RE IDIOTS,THE FACTS PROVE IT.

911 TRUTHTARDS AND THEIR ZOGBY LOOK AT US WERE DUMB DROPOUTS,DIVORCED,AND BUSH HATING TARDS LINK INFO ! ROFLMOA

from 911truth.org, one of morons favorites websites. ROFLAMO

libertyordeath - that plan only takes 20 operatives

libertyordeath - that plan only takes 20 operatives, the 19 highjackers and one evil leader. You see if we remove all the crazy lunatic conspiracy crap from the office of insane idiots from the scenario- some millionaire towelhead who destroyed 2 American embassies in Africa, can pull it off from a cave with boxcutters.

 The too difficult for black ops comes when you wackos have 400 additional caveats and micromanagement menagries inserted into the simple 4 plane highjacking.

Ya get it there bonehead ? If the "government" did do it, then you should be arguing some ******e got up 19 muzzies on the cia terorrists list and put them to the planes with his personal oil money. 3 struck and one was foiled.

But no, you make all that a million man march to prison planet. Then after all that is proven to be way too complex, you DON'T go back to the original government scenario you don't believe to claim the 19 towelheads and binnyboy couldn't do her, but use your ultra complex idiocies.

 I hate to say it, but you're a real dip***t for having made that twisted argument.

 How can you have made such a tremendously large error ?

 Perhaps you should ask yourself if you maybe talked yourself into thinking your wacked out super megga complicated missiles and secreted away planes and all the crap you ADDED ON to the basic plot, isn't in fact the very thing that makes you ASSUME 20 towelheads couldn't do it, and the government did.

Sorry bub, you really blew it with your twisted beyond sanity reply.

Final reptitive point:

1. Could be done by 19+bin towelheads with standard plot

2. Could never be pulled off even by government with LOD's massively intricate and multi-twisted megga duplication and wasted resources scenario.

The botton line is, 19 people highjacked 4 planes and crash landed them. 1 failed completely. 1 other missed it's intended mark, but hit a good alternate. 2 hit their mark. So, that's a bit below a 75% success. Not complex at all.

 I'm afraid the conspiracists massively divergent and multi-layered complex plots are, as the other poster pointed out, way too much when it come's to operational safety and success, especially when the plot is to remain secret, or be expected to be pulled off before discovery(by you genuises).

 Yeah, that was a good point that person made. You twisted and blew with a lying deciept your response.

 

Shouldn't you be hiding under

Shouldn't you be hiding under your bed from the big bad muslim extremists?  Apparently they can easily defeat the strongest military and defense system on the planet to strike anyone, anywhere, anytime, including petting zoos, amish popcorn factories, etc.  It is difficult to have a serious discussion with someone who doesn't even know the definition of the word "conspiracy", "theory", "hypothesis", "science", "gravitational law", "proof", "evidence", "NORAD", "protocol", etc.   Show me proof that the "terrorists"  had the flight skills to manuever the jetliner in such fashions that have astounded veteran pilots.  Then prove that all of the 19 "hijackers" are dead, starting with contacting the BBC and informing them that their story of certain alleged "hijackers" are alive is a hoax.  You have relied on your opinion as proof, nothing more.  I quote sources, none of which you can prove wrong.

LoD

Lord of Destruction, I proved you wrong. That's the part that hurts. Enjoy the pain, you idiot.

It matters not to me which evil enemy I need to fight, the government, as you claim, or the terrorists. Frankly it should be absolutely clear to you, that your scenario makes for a much more dangerous problem than AQ terrorists especially for you, as has already been pointed out to you. I'm not sure youhave the brains to understand that, frankly. I hope you can at least bone up the words to convince me otherwise.

 I just find you to be so absolutely backwards and incorrect, even in your smart aleck replies, that I'm more than certain I'm way, way ahead of you, and your mind and knowledge in this area is puny compared to mine.

 Tell me what you thought of the Stephen Jones classroom video. I'd like to hear your agreements or critiques.

SP...Seems to me that if any

SP...

Seems to me that if any of what LOD says is true then he and his kind would be either in jail or dead. I say this because they also beleive the government is trying to silence them.

When LOD finds Bigfoot I will at least listen, but until then...yawn!

I lost confidence in LoD, argues like a child

I lost confidence in him clear thinker, LoD agrues like a child. His assumption that I don't know the definition of certain words is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

I answered his idiot friend thoughtpolice about the explosions that occured "seconds bfore the plane hit" in the other thread, am I'm sure foolboy read it, but these idiots pretend the argument restarts everytime they post something. That's a major problem for them, because it appears they cannot recall prior discussions, and their argument amounts to repeating the same crap we've gone over here with the same idiots 5 times already, all as if it never happened, and they recall none of the prior exchanges.

 They scream you don't know what a conspiracy is ( it's a common talking point from these idiots, even on the popular chat portals ), then they give their 2 people acting in secret definition, then later in the thread they scream to someone else they don't know what a conspiracy is. I guess they assume everyone but them doesn't know what a conspiracy is, even after they put their definition in print on the very page.

 Since my whole family are straight A students who never had to try, I'm never impressed when some jerk claims I don't know simple definitions to common words, and base their argument on that.

 The idiot made a big mistake, I pointed it out, and he didn't have the balls to acknowledge his error. Instead, I don't know definitions. To me, that's a pathetic weasal who isn't concerned with the truth about 911 at all. He wants to be bmoc cowboy who has "researched" and isn't "fooled" by the government. I guess when he can't fool me with his idiotic error of miscomparison, he ought to think twice about claiming the government pulled the wool over my eyes, fat chance for that happening more to me than he.

I wonder how his now shamed and booted hero prof. Stephen Jones from BYU is doing ? I watched the video LoD and his ToiletPaper buddy put up, and saw massive 3rd grader errors in ol Stevey's lame analysis,and posted the errors for TP and Lord of Destruction, but the punk ****s never responded.

 They avoid anyone who talks science or sense, or gets specific about points in their videos they link.

 When prof SJ babbled he thought molten aluminum might blow up as his "researcher" friend ( a welder) dropped a glob of it into a bucket of water, I knew I was watching a complete MORON, who shouldn't make any comments concerning any field of the physical sciences. Show the jackass a periodic table of the elements, for starters.

 What does one do, when the argument these fools have in response is " my video proves they were blown up!"

1. It's not their video, but boy they sure think it is

2. If that is proof to them, then of course what the government has shown is proof to others. That's a simple concept the returds can't handle.

_______________________________________

 They're stupid,too, as they go about "asking questions".

The Military is the most likely spot for a conspiracy. They would have access to pilot skills, they were running the practice scenarios for the weeks surrounding 911, they could recommend the responses to the disaster, they could "stand down NORAD", they could "not shoot down the planes", and could also "secretly shoot down " the one in Pennsylvania. They could reccommend and push for the responses, including what the libwackos whine about. I could go on, but the libtards haven't even figured as much in this paragraph out.

 I frankly don't believe they think about anything, and instead let their ignorance and emotions and paranioa guide their thoughts, instead. Stephen Jones was a PATHETIC choice for analyzing the 911 disaster. Anyone with half a brain, a person looking into this I could respect, would KNOW that after watching the SJ in the classroom vid with Q&A, but these turds thought he was the bomb.

 The truth is out there, but from what I've seen of these fools, there isn't one of them who is capable of finding it. They can't even sniff in the correct direction. They're as dumb and dumber than their premiere researchers like S Jones.

 Frankly,you have to be a fool and an idiot to be as stupid as these people with what they believe is "proof".

Just plaster David Duchovney's sign on their forehead:

 " I WANT TO BELIEVE"

That pretty much encapsulates their life. It would be exciting for them, they would feel like the turds who spit on soldiers coming home from nam. Like the libtards who "put a stop to nuclear power plants because they marched and were active". Like the Silent Spring writer who corralled a million fools with her flowery lies, and murder the DDTless subsaharan to the tune of a million plus a year.

 I agree, it's like talking to a retard, and they would never want to debate me or many others here at one of their idiot fests. I think they are the most close minded screaming leftists I've ever seen, except for PETA and CodePink.

 

 

Like Bill Clinton,  Jamie G

Like Bill Clinton,  Jamie Gore-lick and their mob of ne'er-do-wells?  Sandy Berger should be in jail for stealing national security documents and trying to hide the truth about how they did nothing about terrorism or protecting this country.  Absolutely unforgiveable.  Total traitor scum.

P.S. I do believe it's spelled, "poseur", poseur.

From the sounds of it, you must be overdue for your next dose, dude!  Chill out.

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

P.S. libertyordeath: Is New

P.S. libertyordeath: Is New Hampshire aware that you misuse their state motto?

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

Richard Clarke was quietly re

Richard Clarke was quietly removed for his incompetence.  You said one... let's see if you're as good as your word.

Nice try.  Pick someone who

Nice try.  Pick someone who wasn't targeted for speaking out against the administration.  I wish I could ignore all protocol at my job and not be held responsible for anything that went wrong!  Must be good to be a politician!

Not to mention Clarke resigne

Not to mention Clarke resigned.

Be accountable

You really should stop digging a deeper hole for yourself and just answer some questions.  The straw-man is you running away like a coward every single time they are posted.  Or shall I post them for you EVERY SINGLE TIME you decide to vomit on this board?

Will you take some personal responsibility and stop blaming me and others for your failure to think critically and for yourself?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Pot, meet Kettle

"I know it's not your fault that you have been brainwashed your entire lives, possible to the point of no return to reality and cognitive thinking"

Looks like we're on the same sheet of music on what we think of you.  Bottom line is your a hack and the NB's know it and your whole point is to hock books and videos.  If it were that difinitive there would be more than just twenty five or so people on board with this and some pointless reference to some town who is "going to vote" on some meaningless resolution.  It would be great if people like you put the same amount of energy into fighting the threat against us by the REAL enemy, of which your type refuse to accept a being a threat.  For a group of supposedly "smart" insightful "in the know" types.  All of these "theories" have had so many holes shot through them they are not even recognizable as cognative thought.  I've done "eyewitness" interviews on many occasions, in one instance I interviewed over twenty people standing within fifty feet of an incident, guess what, not one statement even came close to being the same.  All of this crap is nothing more than Bush Deragement Syndrome and has nothing to do with your supposed truth and proof of anything.  Go hock your ware with the Kos Kidz, they love this kind of tripe and will put you up on a pedistal with the other nutjobs.

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

sua --re: "eyewitnes

sua --re: "eyewitnesses"

As you obviously know (and that pointless turd doesn't) there have been innumerable studies that have shown the inherent unreliabilty of "eyewitnesses".

How twenty people will see twenty different things, in a different order, things that never happened, miss things that did happen, mis-identify... and so on, and so on.

Most human beings are just hopelessly inadequate when it comes to evaluating events that are happening right before their eyes.

Ask David Copperfield. When you boil the turd's insanity down, you're left with one inescapable fact: he's just an evil troll.

No point in even discussing anything with his because he will never acknowledge his errors.

He's the guy leading the Salem Witch Trials. You see loons like him through history. Look at the middle-east now. Insane conspiracies run like wildfire.

Usually involving Jews murdering Muslims and drinking their blood, stuff like that.

It's sick and perverted, but there you have it. It's how dictators get started by appealing to dumb-clucks like him. People who will believe anything that re-affirms what they already are pre-disposed to believe.

There's nothing new. We haven't evolved one jot since Copernicus.

And even the banning of any scientific opinion that doesn't conform to a prevailing "consensus" is back on the agenda.

The dark-ages 2 are a comin'.


A "progressive" = a liberal = a socialist = a commie in drag =
laughably wrong about life, the universe and everything.

RE: Jack

Jack---what I really love about the left and nutjobs is that their word is final and there is no room for any injection, and if the right has undeniable proof or ability to punch holes through a theory, it's the typical neo-con play.  I wouldn't even call him/it/her a troll, if you look at all the posts he's hocking books and crap by these CT's, so anyone that pushes that hard must be making a cut from the sales.  To show the ignorance of this individual, come here and throw out a theory that never has and never will fly, is shown the other side where these theories are shot down every time and then disrespect the persons bringing up the holes in the theory.  What a bag of doorknobs.  What will help tremendously is if we at NB continue to let individuals like this voice their side, give our $.02 worth and if they continue to banter, quit responding to the posts.

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

IMO, he lost the argument as

IMO, he lost the argument as soon as the ad hominem attacks began. Not that there was a logical argument to begin with.

answer unsane

answer unsane---you cannot because you don't have a clue.

Please type in English if you

Please type in English if you want to say something to me.  I don't understand jibberish.

The hell you don't!

The hell you don't! Smart ass! If you are so darned smart, why won't you respond to unsane's questions?? I suspect it's because you are full of bias with little knowledge to back it up!