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Here's another analysis of
December 21, 2006 - 12:30 ET by sarcasmoHere's another analysis of the giving gap, with interesting info on the working-poor (the left vs right difference is dwarfed!).
JMR
We don't like to brag, but...
December 21, 2006 - 12:33 ET by TruthMongerWe don't like to brag, but...
No offense, Sir Sarc, but can
December 21, 2006 - 12:36 ET by Roger the ShrubberNo offense, Sir Sarc, but can't you post any news that is OLDER? :p
It's old, but the emphasis
December 21, 2006 - 12:38 ET by sarcasmoIt's old, but the emphasis there is on class differences, which seemed to dwarf political differences, so I thought that relevant in view of our previous discussion here, which focused on the differences which were only political.
JMR
Point taken.
December 21, 2006 - 12:43 ET by Roger the ShrubberPoint taken.
Sarc, here's a story right do
December 21, 2006 - 12:50 ET by Roger the ShrubberSarc, here's a story right down your alley!
I love it when my taxes pay
December 21, 2006 - 13:21 ET by sarcasmoI love it when my taxes pay for losing-lawyers. Hopefully this one didn't follow the FCC-lawyer tradition of misrepresenting whether a product is "a real product" in court & facing no consequences AFAIK for said blatant misrepresentation.
JMR
And now, today's Shrub Report
December 21, 2006 - 12:33 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Shrub Report:
Merry Christmas, Newsbusters!
But, but, but… I thought illegals only did jobs that Americans wouldn’t do!
Oh, no! Nor more "Death By Chocolate" Legal Services meetings!
Are you sure this guy isn't a Democrat?
Brit soldier charged with espionage.
AP headline: "Gates Hears Doubts From War Commanders". Someday the story just might actually match the headline. Nowhere in the story does a "doubtful" tone appear…
Happy 40th, Keifer!
Who would have thought Wiccans were such whiny cry-babies?
Like, duh…
Just remember, the "Culture of Corruption" is a Republican ailment.
Whoops, another "Culture of Corruption" update…
Speaking of corruption, Joe Wilson is whining because he might have to testify. Wah Wah Wah!
The Shrub is confused. I thought the Feds used interest rates to cool the economy, to keep inflation down. The economy cools due to the Feds raising rates, keeping inflation down, and the media freaks out…
Northampton County paid health care fees for 47 dead employees in 2005…
Today in Liberalism History: It is a banner day for Moonbat birthdays, including:
1935 - Yusef Bey
1935 - Phil Donahue
1937 – Jane Fonda
1942 – Hu Jintao, China's Premier
1948 – Samuel L. Jackson
Northampton County paid healt
December 21, 2006 - 12:39 ET by FastEdDouble post - repeat, a ditto, OK, a mistake
Ed, brilliant minds think ali
December 21, 2006 - 12:42 ET by Roger the ShrubberEd, brilliant minds think alike!
Northampton County paid healt
December 21, 2006 - 12:39 ET by FastEdNorthampton County paid health care fees for 47 dead employees in 2005… and all these years we were told, "You can't take it with you" - ok, then I have a relative take it instead.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
But, but, BUT:
December 21, 2006 - 13:01 ET by tumbler_2007Yeah, many new applicants for the meat-cutters' jobs just vacated in Colorado; vacancies brought about by the feds to arrest possible identity-theft perpetrators amidst these evil, illegal employees.
Well, they advertised come one come all. They'll fill the vacancies. People have got to eat filets in this country. This is the land of opportunity, after all. Is there more to this story; other than those grieving mothers & kids hiding out with friends or relations, as the BAD meat-cutters are trucked off to Mexico? Oh, well.
But--but--but !!! Identity theft is rife in Swift & Co-- everybody knows this! Did these perps leave the country then, with some unlucky American's I.D, and SS number, you know; the stolen identities? Or were they commanded to empty their pockets and leave all their paper trails in the hands of the Feds?
Sure; except that up to this moment only TEN-- count 'em, ten stolen I.D.s have turned up at Swift's plants, Didn't the sweep take in over 1,500 perpetrators? Yet they nabbed only TEN crooks who robbed an American somewhere of his identity. Wow, we had cause to enter these plants and seize the evidence; along the way picking up possibly a thousand illegals (not all hispanics at Swift were illegals, yet ALL were incarcerated briefly.) OK; fine job, we need more raids like this one all over the United States. Bring the paddy wagons up real quiet, Feds. "Manos arriba, up against the wall, Mexicans!!! "
Like I always say, it just ai
December 21, 2006 - 13:12 ET by Roger the ShrubberLike I always say, it just ain't a story on illegals immigration until NB's resident illegal apologist chimes in...
roger me lad
December 21, 2006 - 13:24 ET by tumbler_2007NewsBusters is a Media Research Center department. Here we spot media bias and spin, we don't act as apologists. if this were as you say, then every contributor today (including tumbler) is a Bush apologist, a Cheney apologist, a FoxNews, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Republican Party apologist. Nothing more.
We aren't. We call the shots as we see them, unbiased. It's all I've been doing here, in the spirit of Good Will toward ALL men. You too, I hope. Merry Christmas, Amigo!
Um. You ARE an apologist, and
December 21, 2006 - 14:57 ET by Roger the ShrubberUm. You ARE an apologist, and are predictable as Ted Kennedy doing shots of tequila out of a hooker's navel. As for your comments about other NB topics, I can really care less. Keep track of the individual contributors, by all means. Keeping track of your record is easy.
Sorry, Chico. Until you prove to all of us otherwise, and stop the predictable responses on EVERY FREAKING ILLEGAL MEXIACN TOPIC, you will continue to reign as NB's resident illegal apologist.
Merry Christmas.Liberalism i
December 21, 2006 - 15:31 ET by Andrew H.Merry Christmas.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Roger,Eleven million, nine hu
December 21, 2006 - 14:11 ET by BlondeRoger,
Eleven million, nine hundred ninety eight thousand, nine hundred ninety nine to go....(see my post, below, about the Haitian illegal).
Keep counting, Blonde
December 21, 2006 - 14:17 ET by tumbler_2007Yup; it adds up. Cost of lettuce, cost of fruits, cotton prices, TACOS. Carwashes, housekeeping in hotels, gardeners, et al-- the costs go UP, UP --UP.
BTW; did the violator from Haiti come here looking for that FENCE; trying to sneak in? If 100 miles of shark infested water and hurricane warnings didn't keep him out, why would a fence?
Fence - Tumber
December 21, 2006 - 14:28 ET by BlondeThe article said nothing about a fence, did it tumbler?
The Atlantic Ocean acts as a fairly good fence, actually. But it's quite a bit more brutal than the fence being proposed for our southern border. I'll be sure to post a link with pictures for you, the very next time some smuggler's overloaded boat sinks and the bodies of haitian children wash up on the beach.
BTW, the Swift raid has resulted in lots of legal residents applying for all those jobs which were so recently evacuated by the immigration service. So I guess the cost of meat isn't going up any time soon, eh? Shoots a little hole in that argument of yours, si?
Tumbler....It's deja vu all o
December 21, 2006 - 14:43 ET by Clear thinkerTumbler....
It's deja vu all over again!
To everyone else, a little help please.... When an illegal comes across our border they break one law and this starts the avalanche. Can you folks help me come up with other laws they break? I will start off with two.
1. They get forged paperwork like a SS card.
2. They break our tax laws when they claim 6 dependants on all income tax.
3. They drive uninsured veh
December 21, 2006 - 14:52 ET by Blonde3. They drive uninsured vehicles.
4. They steal identities.
December 21, 2006 - 14:55 ET by Clear thinker4. They steal identities.
Would receiving benefits unde
December 21, 2006 - 14:57 ET by Clear thinkerWould receiving benefits under false pretenses count?
Clear, abosolutely.Number fiv
December 21, 2006 - 15:10 ET by BlondeClear, abosolutely.
Number five it is.
#6 They don't return library
December 21, 2006 - 17:07 ET by Ruths husband Ben#6 They don't return library books.
Okay, that's not so good, but I wanted to jump on board with you guys and couldn't think of anything else.
Personally, I think tumbleweed-07 is playing you guys. He is really a borderpatrol agent working undercover in the blogosphere!
Ruthsben...I agree that Tumbl
December 21, 2006 - 18:58 ET by Clear thinkerRuthsben...
I agree that Tumbler is playing us, the problem is teaching him the rules of the game.
He comes here pretending to be something he is NOT!
Wow, I can't believe I find
December 21, 2006 - 19:02 ET by John in CAWow, I can't believe I find myself in the position of defending Tumbler. I don't think he's pretending to be something he's not. Most of his comments I read are agreeable. It's only on the illegal immigrant issue that I vehemently disagree with his position and arguments. Just my opinion, of course.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
John...I sometimes get the im
December 21, 2006 - 19:08 ET by Clear thinkerJohn...
I sometimes get the impression that Tumbler tries to sound like a conservative so people will take him serious when he takes up the baton for illegals. IMHO.
CT, I have been thinking th
December 21, 2006 - 23:37 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveCT, I have been thinking the same from time to time.
Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)
benefits and false pretenses
December 21, 2006 - 15:19 ET by tumbler_2007They get so many free bennies? That's the cliche of choice amongst white supremacists. Don't leave out Blonde's pet hate: "they breed-- how despicable!"
If I-- MOI, got benefits by fraud, I can be fined and sent to jail. It's illegal. I favor this in the cases you're fussing about. Put em in jail.
Tumbler...You are waaaaaaaay
December 21, 2006 - 15:28 ET by Clear thinkerTumbler...
You are waaaaaaaay out of line. I have not seen any "white supremecist" crap in this forum. You are a nimrod!
That last one was for you Blonde ; )
Thanks, Clear. ;-)Must go s
December 21, 2006 - 15:31 ET by BlondeThanks, Clear. ;-)
Must go s h o p p i n g.....arghhh.
Haved a good one.
Here's a cliche for 'ya - htt
December 21, 2006 - 15:35 ET by FastEdHere's a cliche for 'ya - http://www.newswithviews.com/Taft/john30.htm
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
think a little clearer
December 21, 2006 - 15:06 ET by tumbler_2007They steal identities.
Sure, some are crooks and thieves. How many hackers today are stealing your ID, credit cards, identity etc., who are NOT illegal immigrants? For sure thousands more than the TEN apprehended at the Colorado Swift plant. Just ten cases in a sweep that rounded up 1,500 people. Many of whom were hispanics and Mex-Amer. Not necessarily illegal. Yet they're busted and sent to the border because of their ethnic origins. TEN ID thefts. Good score, Thinker!
Tumbler...Get your numbers ri
December 21, 2006 - 15:24 ET by Clear thinkerTumbler...
Get your numbers right.
Raids at Swift plants target identity theftGreeley site part of Feds' 6-state sting seeking illegal workersBy Bruce Finley and Tom McGhee
Denver Post Staff Writers Article Last Updated: 12/17/2006 11:27:01 AM MST"Rovit said investigators told the company that complaints of identity theft filed with the Federal Trade Commission matched up with 170 Swift workers."
I agree. We should only bust
December 21, 2006 - 15:26 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree. We should only bust companies that we absolutely know, before raiding them, that there is a set amount of poor, innocent, law-abiding undocumented workers before going in. If there aren't more than, let's say, 100, we should not bust those companies and send those illegals back to their country of origin. Brilliant plan there, El Guapo.
I hear ya, Rog
December 21, 2006 - 15:40 ET by tumbler_2007YEAH, do it as you approve? Like they did it to Jews once, in Berlin? Just round 'em up and take 'em to the boxcars. Because we hate them; that's enough reason. Bust down the doors of anybody who hides em. In a country of laws. They have NO rights, since they're foreigners. A sound strategy for ridding the country of this plague, Hmmm?
Wow.If I were a Jew, I'd be o
December 21, 2006 - 15:44 ET by Roger the ShrubberWow.
If I were a Jew, I'd be offended by your extremely idiotic analogy.
You need help, el Guapo.
You save me the trouble of pointing out to everybody just how stupid you sound. You make my job easy.
If you were a Jew?
December 21, 2006 - 16:01 ET by tumbler_2007I stick up for Jews who were denigrated, defamed, demonized robbed and murdered by white supremacist, racist Germans. It's a FACT; you can't make these things up.
The negative spin and rage put on Mexican illegals in our country harks back to those times.
Not because we ought to coddle or protect illegal immigrants; we can't. We must enforce the law. HUMANELY . . . ! Simply keep them out, and deport whoever is here illegally. I haven't spouted about any other course. Just HUMANITY! ------LOVE for the down-trodden who are denied all friendship and compassion by otherwise good, upright Americans. BTW, I LOVE JEWS!
Jesus Christ is a Jew, and His Blessed Mother, John the Baptist, et al. And in the Old Testament God commanded them, the Israelites, not to despise the alien. He said: "Remember that you too were aliens in a strange land." You could learn a lot from Jews, Roger, El Bozo.
Give examples of negative "sp
December 21, 2006 - 16:11 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveGive examples of negative "spin" levelled against illegals.
Illegals stealing identities is fact, not spin.
Illegals commiting other crimes is fact, not spin.
Illegals taking advantage of our welfare paid by our taxpayers is fact, not spin.
Illegals taking advantage of residency loopholes (i.e. having kids in the U.S.) to stay indefinitely is fact, not spin.
So what is being made up? What is this negative "spin" you are talking about? And before you blow a gasket, I do understand that not all illegals do these all the above things, but all illegals did commit a crime by coming/staying here outside the bounds set by our laws. They don't have a leg to stand on and neither do your arguments.
Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)
Dr. Love...Please forgive me,
December 21, 2006 - 16:15 ET by Clear thinkerDr. Love...
Please forgive me, I just can't help myself....Your Gun Safety Tip #8 was meant for Tumbler!
I love ya, mean gene
December 21, 2006 - 17:21 ET by tumbler_2007You said it all for me. Not much I can add to your speil. But you're wrong about that part: "not a leg to stand on." I may've spent months by now, saying mostly one thing:
Cease with so much gross exaggeration just for the sake of rhetoric. Stick to the actual urgency (which is vastly over-played on the Right) and DON'T keep broadcasting and publicizing the outrage felt here over this. It inflames the feelings and provokes hatred for our political party on the part of American hispanic voters and Mexican-Americans who legally work here and vote. Many of them are on familiar terms with illegals in the communities, and feel very sorry for them. You alienate the legals along with the law-breakers with repeated unkind diatribes. The word racism comes up a lot, it travels inside the communities. This is a sensitive subject !
Rhetoric doesn't get the job done anyway. Better to discuss these things calmly and with concern for feelings on the other side. It's for OUR OWN BENEFIT. A leg to stand on means caution and understanding; opposed to hate speech and threats. It's common sense. I love everybody, and everybody deserves my respect. Throughout this long argument on NewsBusters, the only respect I've been granted at all comes from the editors of this blog and their willingness--TOLERANCE allowing me space here.
Almost all of the editors and bloggers here disagree with me adamantly, as you do. But unlike Huffypost Blog, they don't blackball opposing contributors. --Arianna tossed me out very swiftly for upholding conservative views in her page; after all her guests had flailed at me with repeated obscenities and insults. She runs a pit of VIPERS; not good people.
I hate to find HERE, a like number of characters who also want to quash me at every opportunity over this illegal dispute. They ignore that I'm honestly trying make a point & I'm not trying to offend them personally. I've received almost 99% insults and scorn for my posts, and even lies directed at me with no effort to understand anything I say. This place is BETTER than that, Gene!
So if I understand what you j
December 21, 2006 - 17:45 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveSo if I understand what you just said, we conservatives should leave the illegals alone and let them be for political expediency? Because if we allow them to stay illegally we can get their votes (when they shouldn't be voting in the first place)? I just don't understand how you can justify illegals staying in our country (otherwise law-abiding or not). Like others have said, the only intolerance we have is an intolerance with people that broke the law to get/stay here. We have no problems with immigrants from any country, as long as they come here lawfully. Race has nothing to do with us holding illegals accountable (aside from the fact that the vast majority of them happen to be from Mexico or Cental America). Illegal Canadians bother me just as much, but they aren't as big an issue as there aren't several million of them in the U.S. illegally.
I would still like to see your examples of the negative "spin" put on the illegals you talked about in the post to which I first responded.
Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)
dear meano gene-o
December 21, 2006 - 18:08 ET by tumbler_2007We keep prolonging this by petty arguing. My position isn't hard to fathom. Don't alienate an entire ethnic group numbering in millions --American voters--
For the cheap shots you enjoy at working mothers and fathers. Even if they came here illegally. Above all, stop acting as if they are sub-humans; who can be fenced off like so many beef cattle. They're human beings. You insist on alienating the good along with the bad. For cheap talk!
"We have no problems with immigrants from any country, as long as they come here lawfully." That's wonderful! You get a Gold Star! "Race has nothing to do with us holding illegals accountable (aside from the fact that the vast majority of them happen to be from Mexico or Cental America)." I'm fine with that! Hold everybody accountable. How ya going to do it, Superman? "Illegal Canadians bother me just as much, but they aren't as big an issue as there aren't several million of them in the U.S. illegally." I have a silly old opinion on that: NONE of them are a "Big Issue"-- except in your mind! I'm serious! Can you offer something more concrete than hatred and prejudice? Tell us what--?
You are relegating them to su
December 21, 2006 - 18:31 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveYou are relegating them to sub-humans. I haven't seen anyone here (other than you) intimate that illegals are less than human. I have a fence around my back yard, does that make the neighborhood kids that previously cut through my yard cattle? The kids no longer cut through my yard, so the fence is effective. Do the neighbors of military bases feel like cattle because there is a fence around the installation? Do you have a fence around any part of your property, and if so, why?
Tumbler, YOU are making this a hatred and prejudice issue. How are we going to hold several million people accountable? Every journey begins with the first step. Yes, it will be a long and drawn out journey, but if we just let this issue go as you suggest, then NOBODY will be held accountable. People will slip through the cracks, or otherwise evade their being brought to justice, it will be expensive (but not as expensive as continually supporting a multiplying amount of illegals on our welfare programs), but if we don't begin holding people accountable, then the illegals will continue to pour over our borders. A fence would at least make it a little more difficult.
I can't rob a bank and hope I won't be held accountable because I did it to provide for my children.
STILL WAITING FOR EXAMPLES OF NEGATIVE "SPIN" TOWARD ILLEGALS.
Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)
NBrs---Harm to America
December 21, 2006 - 18:46 ET by misterbillIn all the posts going back and forth it seems the issue has gone to show how one member has a blind sided view of illegal immigration. I have not received one comment or feedback regarding the Harm to America being caused by illegals. Numerous rapes, robberies, so called unwanted jobs, etc. Either my posts are banal or the hot object of this debate has become one person. You can all get mad at me if you want, but my issue is that illegal immigration is perilously bad for the US. We need to build the fence ASAP, We need to bear the cost of imprisonment of wrongdoers, not release them back into American society or deport them only to have them enter illegally again. The world is laughing at the US. Check the videos of a large number of American politicians extending the welcome mat to illegals. Look at the numbers of criminals (illegal entry is a crime, you know) who show up for demonstrations in OUR country and tell us they have then same or more rights than we do. Look at them seize a US Postal Office with impunity. For God's sake stop wasting your time arguing with our resident village idiot and email your congressmen, your Senators and damn it even your President and tell them how you feel.!!!!
I have!
You're right. Thanks, misterb
December 21, 2006 - 18:50 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveYou're right. Thanks, misterbill!
Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)
Mr. Bill...AMEN!
December 21, 2006 - 19:02 ET by Clear thinkerMr. Bill...
AMEN!
Quite right, mrbill.
December 21, 2006 - 19:09 ET by BlondeQuite right, mrbill.
El Guapo,You are comparing I
December 21, 2006 - 16:15 ET by Roger the ShrubberEl Guapo,
You are comparing ILLEGALS coming into my country ILLEGALLY, breaking US law, to Jews getting sent off to concentration camps just because they are Jews. Do you even realize just how stupid you sound? Apparently not, since you keep on posting.
The one, simple, glaring fact that keeps escaping your mental consumption, be it purposefully or because of a mental deficiency, is that the people you are apologizing for came into this country ILLEGALLY. I do not know how much simpler I can say it. If the US was shipping off Paco and Esmeralda in boxcars to become lampshades and soap, to build roads and bridges, then, perhaps, only then, might you have cause for using this idiotic analogy.
I welcome all people into MY country. Just come in legally. I do not HATE illegals (one of your numerous misconceptions). I just want them to be in MY country legally.
correction: OUR country
December 21, 2006 - 17:32 ET by tumbler_2007You have no cause for grief, Roger. Nobody wants to deport you, cursing all the way. You're an American Fat Cat, Man!
Jews were DISCRIMINATED against because of RACE. That's my point, and it suits this situation. Don't give us any supercilious Big Man shit about YOUR country. I'm also a citizen and I think you suck. How much simpler can I say it?
So, the Jews are a race? News
December 21, 2006 - 17:52 ET by Roger the ShrubberSo, the Jews are a race? News to me. Keep on impressing us, Sparky.
I really do not care if you think "I suck". Whoop-de-frigging-do, the resident illegal apologist doesn't like me! How will I ever survive?
I have plenty of cause for grief, El Guapo. MY TAXES pay for your "compadres" being housed, incarcerated, deported, kept healthy, fed, etc, etc. That makes it MY concern. Come across the border legally.Plain and simple.
Tumbler, let me try to explai
December 21, 2006 - 20:21 ET by MikeBTumbler, let me try to explain to you what would be racist statements and what would not.
Racist statement: all people in this country of Hispanic descent, whether citizens or not, or whether they are legal or illegal aliens should be deported south of the border.
Not a racist statement: all illegal aliens should be deported and a fence built to make it as difficult as possible for them to come back in.
What we have been saying right along is statement number two. What you have apparently been hearing is statement number one.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
dear mike b
December 22, 2006 - 02:30 ET by tumbler_2007I should forgive you here, for your patronizing attitude toward a man nearing 70 years of age. As if he'd never met with a clue about racial prejudice since he was born. But YOU know how to rationalize the actions of every American. You must explain it softly and gently to an old idiot. THANKS.
Then you must reiterate the same tired formula for stopping the mangy Mexican from entering our American stronghold. Short of killing him in cold blood (a practice which was common just a hundred years ago). Why do you reiterate this bullshit? Because we've really proven how it's built and why it makes immigrants powerless to overcome such a gargantuan barricade? Did you think this is an original, trustworthy idea? But then; you think nobody knows anything. You must explain racist to me, because that's a profound subject you know all about.
You believe in the efficacy of an obstacle; a fence, spanning all the points of entry into this expansive country. And you really believe this country can apprehend 10 to 12 million people--who don't know HOW ? ? ? to evade the authority, --according to your deep thinking? You think they'll all be waiting at their curbs for that raid on the neighborhood; your tough, unstoppable border patrol agents?
What BOLD thinking! Why aren't you employed by the Pentagon as a strategical planner in higher echelon critical activities? Or in sensitive molecular butt flossing directly responsible to underground defenses particular to moist undergarments? Take my advice and go apply. You're a natural candidate.
Oh, such an effective riposte
December 22, 2006 - 21:10 ET by MikeBOh, such an effective riposte! I am wounded...NOT!
It is a shame that in your 70 years you have not learned reading comprehension or critical thinking. I thought it was a shame I had to explain what was and was not racism to an old idiot. At least you are aware you are an idiot, and are willing to admit it to us all. Now, you can begin the journey towards intelligence. But, you are most welcome. It was my pleasure to enlighten you as to what racism is and isn't. It occurs to me that you may not be an idiot, although you think you are. Have you had yourself checked for Alzheimer's? I understand there are some new treatments that are at least somewhat effective. Perhaps if you tried some of them and took some ginko biloba, you could generate enough brain power to figure out the difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants.
I was not aware that Mexicans were afflicted with mange. Is it common? If it is, I can tell you that I have treated dogs with mange by rubbing used motor oil into their coat and skin. It seems to be an effective treatment. You are free to pass this remedy on to any mangy Mexicans you may know.
As for natural organic bovine fertilizer, I believe you are the only one in the thread flinging it around. It is such a shame that when you lost the argument on the merits, you had to resort to ad hominem attacks and slanders. White supremacists? Racists?
We, all of us, are curious. Just what part of Illegal immigration are you incapable of grasping? No one here advocated expelling all Mexicans or all hispanics. We have been and are advocating expelling all illegal immigrants, no matter what their source. What is your problem with that? Illegal means they are criminal; they committed a crime just to get here.
Fences are ineffective? I don't think so. Granted, they are not 100% effective, but that doesn't mean they aren't useful. Inmates escape from prisons fairly frequently. Obviously prison walls are not 100% effective in confining convicts. According to your logic, then, we should do away with prisons altogether. I don't think so. And, you obviously don't think.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Sure, some are crooks and thi
December 21, 2006 - 17:48 ET by ckc1227Sure, some are crooks and thieves. How many hackers today are stealing your ID, credit cards, identity etc., who are NOT illegal immigrants? For sure thousands more than the TEN apprehended at the Colorado Swift plant.
All the more reason to crack down. Since we already have a crime problem in this country, the last thing we need to do is import here the crime problem of the third world country to our south, even if they do have sadness in their eyes......
There's a lot of moral rela
December 21, 2006 - 17:53 ET by John in CAThere's a lot of moral relativism in Tumbler's pro illegal immigrant arguments.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
this is the 20th time
December 22, 2006 - 01:07 ET by tumbler_2007About the 20th time I've told this assembly; I am NOT pro-illegal. You keep on accusing me falsely. I am in favor of useful measures to control illegal immigration.
I'm against demonizing and hatred leveled against an ethnic population. I believe we're all capable of realizing the desperate need which causes Mexicans to immigrate illegally. It doesn't matter to some here who simply hate them. But it matters anyway to me and many other Americans. My morality isn't relative. Neither is my Christian charity. And, I'm 100% American, I love my country.
Since I'm only one man against a long phalanx of determined opponents, it's impossible to answer each charge individually. I've tried. Many of you have resisted; some have attacked me personally. I can't battle with every post. You all know where I stand. Thank you for hearing me. You do not leave me convinced of your miserable, selfish case in this matter. I've seen your motives and they're not humane. They're aimed at stifling and throwing out the poor.
Nothing can be gained anymore by appealing to your humanity, because you are mostly selfish and materialistic Americans. This is not our grandfathers' American generation, a noble and self-sacrificing people. It's the ME generation intent on grabbing and clawing after everything money can buy and forgetting about the less fortunate. Men and women who care more for the next NFL football game than a mother and father outside in the darkness. You make me very afraid for this our country. Because God knows who serves Him and who doesn't.
tumbler..Hey , you are find
December 22, 2006 - 01:18 ET by ww thumpertumbler..Hey , you are findly in favor of my 20 ft high electric fence! ALL RIGHT!! You said "I am in favor of useful measures to control illeagal immmigration" I am gald you findly agree with me . Your "all right " by golly!! :^) ww ...MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS :-) WW
findly
December 22, 2006 - 01:39 ET by tumbler_2007Haha! This dumbell thinks "FINDLY" he can solve our problems.
OK; as I said before, America has now been given into the hands of these beerheads; why even attempt to elevate the argument? It's not my job, after all.
tumbler...Why must you answer
December 22, 2006 - 11:42 ET by ww thumpertumbler...Why must you answer other people by calling them names?? I'm not a "dumbell"( I have a very high IQ) ( can't spell worth a darn tho) AND I don't drink "beer....." Now Mr tumbler; I don't call you names .. I think you and I at least can "talk" here without calling each other names. We have up untill now. I hope we can continue to do so. So have a good day and we will "talk" later. :-) ww ...MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS :-) WW
very true, blonde
December 21, 2006 - 15:01 ET by tumbler_2007Uninsured vehicles. --Thousands of American citizens do that as well.
Many Mexican illegals buy new or slightly used cars. Lots of pick-ups, to use on the job. They don't want to lose the investment they make in these, any more than you do, on your Mercedes. SO-- they insure their cars, insure that pick-up.
It's the usual practice except if they have NO MONEY at all. (Same with hillbillies in Appalachia, Babe.)
Tumbler.... "Uninsured v
December 21, 2006 - 15:07 ET by Clear thinkerTumbler.... "Uninsured vehicles. --Thousands of American citizens do that as well."
What does your statement above mean? Are you saying that American citizens don't get charged with a crime?
BTW...It is NOT the usual practice, don't beleive me, ask any cop.
Stay on topic tumbler.The sub
December 21, 2006 - 15:08 ET by BlondeStay on topic tumbler.
The subject was illegal aliens.
Only illegal aliens.
Save the rant and the cant. Don't care about the details.
Gotta follow the law. If yo
December 21, 2006 - 15:34 ET by Andrew H.Gotta follow the law. If you or others don't like it, change it. Anyone from any country is welcome here as long as they're not terrorists--follow the law, follow the rules, and come. Don't break into our home and demand welfare benefits.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
"If 100 miles of shark infest
December 21, 2006 - 17:30 ET by ckc1227"If 100 miles of shark infested water and hurricane warnings didn't keep him out, why would a fence?"
And because murder laws don't prevent all murders, why in the hell do we have them at all? Man I love the logic of the local loco.
somebody tell broke-back
December 21, 2006 - 17:38 ET by tumbler_2007Say, Broke Back 1227, tumbler says:
That I do not approve of murders or any activities he's talking about. Maybe he can't read very well. I was speaking of USELESS measures to combat illegal entry into this country. FENCES don't do the job. Not even the ocean keeps some illegals from arriving, as this criminal did from Haiti. ckc has no clue, I see. What we're dealing with.
<i> That I do not appro
December 21, 2006 - 17:57 ET by ckc1227"That I do not approve of murders or any activities he's talking about. Maybe he can't read very well. I was speaking of USELESS measures to combat illegal entry into this country. FENCES don't do the job. Not even the ocean keeps some illegals from arriving, as this criminal did from Haiti. ckc has no clue, I see. What we're dealing with.</i>"
Congratulations, turdler, for confirming you are clueless beyond all others.
"I was speaking of USELESS measures to combat illegal entry into this country."
You mean like laws, the same thing we use to deter murderers? Only a Sith deals in absolutes; only an idiot illegal like yourself concludes that because not every illegal will be stopped by a particular method means it doesn't work, lol.
broke-back returns for more
December 21, 2006 - 18:17 ET by tumbler_2007This one's mean. Really.
"like laws, the same thing we use to deter murderers?" There's nothing wrong with laws. Make laws with teeth, Broke-Back. Forget about erecting 77 billion dollar fences with no hopes of stemming illegal entry even into the 25th century! How many murderers do YOU ever deter, with your pie-hole?
BTW, I'm not illegal. I'm an American by birth, about 27th generation in America, back to 1609. (Eat ya heart out, ding a ling.)
Where'd you get the $77 bil
December 21, 2006 - 18:22 ET by John in CAWhere'd you get the $77 billion dollar number for a border fence? That's WAY more than I've heard quoted. The Congress has authorized like $2 billion for 700 miles, which I've heard argued is not enough. But I've never heard anything close to $77 billion thrown about.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
more
December 21, 2006 - 18:25 ET by misterbill96 Border Patrol Officers have been killed by violent criminals caught coming here to "do the jobs most Americans won't do." (Source of total: U.S. Border Patrol Officer Memorial)
more on illegals
December 21, 2006 - 18:18 ET by misterbillThe Violent Crimes Institute study established a pattern of escalating offenses among illegal aliens, whose first offense was illegally entering the U.S.
Schurman-Kauflin told WND, "Illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes first cross the U.S. border illegally, then gradually commit worse crimes and are continually released back into society or deported. Those who were deported simply returned illegally again. There is a clear pattern of criminal escalation. From misdemeanors such as assault or DUI, to drug offenses, illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes break U.S. laws repeatedly."
Jobs Americans don't want??????????????????
December 21, 2006 - 18:22 ET by misterbillLinda Swope, who operates Complete Employment Services Inc. in Mobile, Ala., told The Washington Times last week that the workers -- whom she described as U.S. citizens, residents of Alabama and predominantly black -- had been "urgently requested" by contractors hired to rebuild and clear devastated areas of the state, but were told to leave three job sites when the foreign workers showed up.
I have afence around my pro
December 21, 2006 - 18:11 ET by Dan The Man 2I have afence around my property and it keeps people out quite nicely. I imagine if we had armed guards that would further deter people also. It seems like there are places with really good security methods like fences and armed guards that keep out all but the most determined few. So if we could reduce illegal aliens by 95% then it would be money well spent.
Think of it as a flu shot, sometimes spemnding 30 bucks for a shot plus doctor visit is worth spending more in the future and feeling lousy. Is the shot a 100% preventative? No, but we get one anyway because we know it does prevent most flu most of the time.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
"Yup; it adds up. Cost of let
December 21, 2006 - 18:13 ET by ckc1227"Yup; it adds up. Cost of lettuce, cost of fruits, cotton prices, TACOS. Carwashes, housekeeping in hotels, gardeners, et al-- the costs go UP, UP --UP."
And the depth of the bullsh*t gets deeper and deeper and deeper.....
Pondering to myself, "I wonder if North Korea believes that fences don't work...."
Yeah, that fence around Eas
December 21, 2006 - 18:18 ET by John in CAYeah, that fence around East Berlin was totally ineffective also. After all, every once in a great while a few East Berliners did manage to escape.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
blonde
December 21, 2006 - 15:32 ET by misterbillDon't want to get into it w/stumblebum, lost my cool this past week. We are adding an extension to our house. The fellow that is here today used to own his own construction framing company. Long story short--Mexicans put him out of business. He could not compete on bids with American carpenters. Tried sub contracting and the wuality of the work was bad enough that he spent extra to have skilled carpenters come in to fix the work. Ultimately closed --couldn't compete with sub standard wages of others and did not want to build poor quality houses. He now works in a 3 man company. His employer only builds million dollar houses because he can hire skilled workers in that price range.
I guess I am really getting old, I do not want to argue with Tumbler and his ridiculous butt-kissing support of illegals. He is ironclad in his stupidity.
"La migra! Manos arrib
December 21, 2006 - 13:14 ET by MikeB"La migra! Manos arribas! Donde estan sus papeles verdes?" Yeah, I know, I said "green papers", but I can't remember the word for card.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
I believe it is "el card
December 21, 2006 - 13:21 ET by Roger the ShrubberI believe it is "el cardo"
Dammit, Roger! You owe me f
December 21, 2006 - 13:23 ET by MikeBDammit, Roger! You owe me for a monitor, keyboard, and a cup of coffee! By the way, coffee burns like hades, when it come out your nose!
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Ouch. I have yet to experienc
December 21, 2006 - 13:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberOuch. I have yet to experience the "hot coffee through the nose" treatment. Sorry about that.
I'll stick to bad pop culture references for the rest of the day, and spare my fellow NBers any potential accidents. :p
It still doesn't burn like Co
December 21, 2006 - 17:14 ET by Dave RIt still doesn't burn like Coca-Cola. I've experienced both since I joined NB. And I don't really recommend eating chili while Roger is around, either, as I still have a button sticking because of that one.