On November 27, 2006, the media stepped up their demands for an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq by officially naming the incursion a civil war. While questioning their motives, Americans must also be extremely concerned with how quickly these same voices will demand our military be sent back in a humanitarian effort to halt the inevitable post-retreat genocide.
Amid all the seemingly principled antiwar discussions that have transpired the past several years, one issue has been shamelessly and immorally absent: if American troops leave Iraq too soon, one of the largest mass-murders of innocent people in history might ensue.
Regardless of whether or not we are responsible for laying the groundwork for such a dire outcome, it is incumbent upon this government to make decisions based upon present circumstances and not those we would prefer. While we debate solutions to the current condition, we must be fully cognizant of the possible end-result of all available options before jumping head first into what might be the abyss.
This seems even more rational given our unfortunate precedent with military retreats from an incursion that we started. After America pulled out of Vietnam in 1975, the Khmer Rouge mercilessly slaughtered an estimated 1.5 million to 3 million largely innocent Vietnamese and Cambodians in the subsequent four years.
As an ominous frame of reference, the total population of Cambodia at that time was 7 million. The population of Iraq today is 25 million, meaning that far more casualties and atrocities are possible.
The cynical might question what reason there is to believe that a similar eventuality will occur in Iraq if we retreat leaving it in its current condition. The sane might wonder what leads us to believe it won’t.
After all, history indicates that the Sunni-Shia conflict started around the year 632 AD after Muhammad died, or almost fourteen centuries ago. In Iraq, even though Shia are in the majority, Sunnis have largely been dominant in government for many decades. During this time, and especially under the rule of Saddam Hussein, Shia were subjugated to horrendous acts of tyranny and violence.
Around the world, Sunnis represent an estimated 80 percent of Muslims, with Shia only 15 percent. The media love to point out in their discussions on this issue that Iran is dominated by Shia. However, the other major powers in the region are largely Sunni, including Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, and Turkey.
Furthermore, al Qaeda and the Taliban are Sunni; the former leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was said to have encouraged his followers to kill Shia exclusively due to their religious beliefs.
Add it all up, and a government-less Iraq without American troops might easily turn into an historic battle between Sunnis and Shia resulting in unimaginable casualties as the Sunni-nations in this region send in forces to try to prevent Shia-Iran from overrunning the entire country.
Another ominous indicator is the high unemployment rate in most of these nations, especially amongst those under the age of 30; in Iran, 50 percent of this demographic are without work. If it is easy in this region to recruit terrorists and homicide bombers, just imagine the simplicity both sides will have in calling soldiers to arms once any semblance of government or military is totally absent, and the real battle for control of Iraq begins.
If the “experts” in the media think this is a civil war now, what are they going to call it if their wish comes true, and American troops depart leaving behind a bloodbath of epic proportions broadcast on television sets across our nation 24/7?
Of course, the question still remains: Why should we stay if this situation is spinning out of control?
Conservatives believe the answer still lies in the connection to the overall war on terror, and that an anarchical Iraq, with its vast oil reserves, will become a wealthy safe haven for al Qaeda and its jihadists for decades to come.
However, liberals don’t buy into this line of reasoning, and require an alternate caution to warrant staying the course so to speak. With that in mind, if we leave, the United Nations will likely step in at some point to quell the rising violence and resulting genocide. At that time, it will recommend an international peacekeeping force comprised largely of Americans who will now be under the auspice of the UN.
Is this what the media want, or have even considered: To retreat, let the situation become significantly more dangerous and volatile, leaving the UN to send our soldiers back maybe a year or two later into a substantially worse environment with Kofi Annan's successor Ban Ki-moon calling the shots?
Whatever the answer, one has to question what happened to liberal humanitarian principles. Aren’t a few American military lives per day worth saving hundreds of thousands nay millions of innocent Iraqi women and children that will likely die if we leave, especially if it’s probable that we’re going to have to go back anyway?
Regardless, it has become all too apparent that the media and the Democrats have had absolutely no clue what should be done in Iraq. They have unquestionably ignored the bloody downside of retreat, while irresponsibly inflaming the public’s antiwar ire with the sole purpose of regaining power absent the vaguest idea what to do once they attained it.
Now, as the Democrat leadership appears to be predictably going back on their ludicrous campaign promise of capricious withdrawal, the media seem intent to fan the antiwar fires again to force another left-wing capitulation. With people like Keith Olbermann stirring up the liberal blogosphere suggesting that NBC’s declaration of civil war represented another in a seemingly endless stream of Walter Cronkite moments, it is safe to assume the tom toms are going to be banged loudly by the Netroots who also haven’t even vaguely considered an America-less Iraq.
What this means is that despite what comes out of the Baker Commission in the upcoming days, America must not listen to the media and the extreme left demanding a repeat of the Nixon administration’s blunder. Millions of innocent Iraqis who thousands of our soldiers have already died for deserve significantly better.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















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So, it's official; the media
November 29, 2006 - 11:26 ET by mattmSo, it's official; the media runs this country. Just great....
......aaarrrrgggghhhhhhh...h...h...h.h..h.h....<..pffsst..> (That's my hope for America fizzling out)
Wilson
November 29, 2006 - 11:27 ET by iveseenitallThe liberals simply do not care if millions die in Iraq, anymore the they cared when we ran from Vietnam. This latest call for withdrawal is testimony to their hypocrisy. Liberal/Socialist don't care for life; they care only that their twisted ideology lives on. Party on , you liberal dirtbags.You are despicable in every sense of the word.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
I've Seen
November 29, 2006 - 11:31 ET by Noel SheppardIS,
Don't agree. That's a very bold statement that liberals don't care for life. My parents are liberals, and they certainly don't fit into to this definitive. ns
I 'm not referring to the old
November 29, 2006 - 11:43 ET by iveseenitallI 'm not referring to the old fashioned Democrats. I am referring to the modern liberal--their care for life is not apparent to me or millions of Americans who know the truth about them. And we need plenty more bold statements if our nation is to survive.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
I've Seen
November 29, 2006 - 11:50 ET by Noel SheppardIS,
Well, I think we've got to always differentiate between the left and the extreme left. I think there's a big difference. You are largely referring to the extreme left who cheer American failures, and are certainly pulling for our defeat in Iraq. Agreed? ns
yes
November 29, 2006 - 11:55 ET by iveseenitallAgreed. I also have known and still have the Joe Lieberman type of Democrat in my family. But check out the statement from someone called Bling on another post. That's what I'm referring to.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
You shouldn't call them dirtb
November 29, 2006 - 11:32 ET by mattmYou shouldn't call them dirtbags; bags of dirt are way better than liberals.
mattm...I agree..at least b
November 29, 2006 - 12:56 ET by ww thumpermattm...I agree..at least bags of dirt are useful ! :^} .....Political correctness when dealing with Islam will kill america....ww .....
War
November 29, 2006 - 16:35 ET by pbanks7What do you mean? They sometimes care if the media stirs something up big enough, and if we have absolutely no national interest in the place.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Therein lies one of the great
November 29, 2006 - 11:55 ET by slvrwlfTherein lies one of the great philosophical divides between the left and the right; the reactive vs. proactive use of military force. A majority of the left (especially the radical left) are so abhorrent of the military that they make excuses ("extending diplomacy", "furthering talks", etc.) until it becomes plainly obvious that there is no choice but to commit the military. But even then, it'll be a grudging, "regretful" decision as if we're unleashing a plague upon the world because we have no other choices. The days of the fighting Democrats are gone; granted FDR waited until Pearl Harbor came around before he committed the US into WWII, but at least he understood the judicious use of military force in order to defeat the enemy.
Today's left will wait the situation out, watch as the Middle East disintegrates, cross their fingers and hope that things get better or the UN can do something...and then, only after thousands of innocents have died or the US suffers another terrorist attack because al-Qaeda or their ilk have free reign in what's left of Iraq will the left finally say "maybe we need to send in the military for humanitarian missions or to stabilize the situation."
That's the hypocrisy of the left. Rather than make the tough decision up front and prevent threats from occurring before they have a chance to take root, they whine, complain, and protest until the situation becomes unmanageable. Then they throw their hands up, claim the moral high ground, and say "well we did everything we could but I guess we have to use the military now."
It explains the 444 days of the Iranian hostage crisis and the fiasco that was Desert One during the Carter Administration.
If a civil war is two faction
November 29, 2006 - 11:55 ET by Higgins WRIf a civil war is two factions fighting within the same country, then when do the Dem's suggest we pull out of America?
Higgins
November 29, 2006 - 11:57 ET by Noel SheppardHiggins,
Beautiful. Bravo. Encore. Author, author!
Thanks for the giggle. ns
interesting idea you have the
November 29, 2006 - 12:12 ET by gtinessinteresting idea you have there...
Actually, I think we are goin
November 29, 2006 - 12:46 ET by dscottActually, I think we are going to be witnessing a historic split in the Dem Party. Pelosi representing the ultra libs has run into the junior Dems who seem to be more sane. Pelosi's position in the Party is based on senority, this is why she keeps making the same political mistakes with Hastings and Murtha, her worldview is seniority not merit or majority view of most Dems. While Pelosi may be playing a balancing act between the power she is trying to hold on to and the chits she owes to the ultra left, sooner or later she is going to have to make a choice: the ultra libs or the rank and file Dems.
Pelosi still has to contend with Howard Dean...watch the story continue.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
War started by Republican = B
November 29, 2006 - 11:57 ET by idahoguyWar started by Republican = BAD WAR
War started by Democrat = GOOD WAR
If they pull everyone out and let a Democrat start the same war over again, it will ipso facto be a GOOD WAR.
Give the media a break would
November 29, 2006 - 12:11 ET by ucGive the media a break would you! You know they just thought Democrats had better intel or something or also just missed the anti-war sixties as much as the Democrats. Intelligent discussion is taking place at many levels and this story though based possibly more on revolutionary war behavior than civil war definitions is part of same. President was right to back up the UN sanctions and give UN enforcement backbone by removing Saddam Hussein. >> What happens afterwards is really up to Iraqies. We have been successful as a nation of laws and are seeming working to right wrongs where our foreign policies has us in bed with likes of Saddam Hussein. A world of laws seems path Bush has daringly been pursuing. We called Saddam's bluff on WMD and gave him many oportunities to convince beyond reasonable doubt that he was and intended to comply with international law and standards. We are in a war for recognition of international laws as when Bush started us on this path. It is law and order that we risked loosing if we didn't take down Saddam Hussein and his regime. I am hopeful all parties now talking can find acceptable interdependence through agreed laws and policies now seemingly on the tables making the news this week. How about you all?
uc ..NO ! we will not g
November 29, 2006 - 13:07 ET by ww thumperuc ..NO ! we will not give the Drive by media a break !! MOST of them are Anti-Bush, Anti-american, Anti you & I ! They don't get a break; not from this man ; a father , grandfather and a USAF / USSO Vet...., American! .....Political correctness when dealing with Islam will kill america....ww .....
The label of “civil war”
November 29, 2006 - 12:19 ET by Airforce_5_OThe label of “civil war” is nothing more than a way to provoke strong feelings of negativity toward those that support the action.
Another way the media shows their true colors
The new world order is in power. God help us all. Airforce_5_O, 2330, November 7, 2006right
November 29, 2006 - 12:23 ET by iveseenitallRight on spot, Airforce.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
I'm completely baffled about
November 29, 2006 - 12:20 ET by aeroI'm completely baffled about why these people can't or won't see the obvious consequences of precipitous withdrawal. Even if they can convince themselves that there wouldn't be a genocide or that the UN would take care of it, how can they overlook the undeniable probability that terrorists will make Iraq into their new home base? And that the U.S. leaving Iraq will empower Iran? As little order as there is in the Middle East is based on a freaking house of cards! If we buy Iran's support by withdrawing from the region, we leave Iraq to genocide and civil war, Israel to certain doom, Lebanon to collapse into chaos, and Iran at the top of the dungheap with nuclear weapons pointed at us! How is all of that not obvious to anyone with the basic ability to understand cause and effect? Scary stuff.
scary
November 29, 2006 - 12:26 ET by iveseenitallScary indeed. The left is so blinded by their ideology, they will never admit the truth and millions will suffer for it.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
aero consequences
November 29, 2006 - 12:32 ET by misterbillaero - consequences of withdrawal.
I don't believe they see that far ahead. In a society where people easily and readily divorce rather than work out their problems, what can one expect? I am living in a glass house on that analogy, but it is true. Perhaps I am wrong, but I will wager that the withdrawal advocates are mostly under 50 years of age and have grown up in an instant gratification society. The war was good, but the 4 weeks are up, let's go home?? Too many electornic games?? I sure as hell don't know the answer. I do know the answer in Iraq is to fight to win. Show the world that when we start something, we finish it.
Shortsightedness is clearly i
November 29, 2006 - 12:45 ET by aeroShortsightedness is clearly in the equation. The younger generations (of which I am part) are also quite unlikely to know very much about history or current events. I know that when I was in high school and college (late 80s-early 90s), we never made it to Vietnam in any of our history classes. I have had to find out everything about recent decades myself. I guarantee that the vast majority of people in my generation and younger have no clue about the causes and consequences of the Vietnam debacle and how its lessons apply to Iraq.
I guess I'm not completely ba
November 29, 2006 - 12:47 ET by aeroI guess I'm not completely baffled about why the rank-and-file American citizen might not understand the consequences of early withdrawal from Iraq. But I'm still baffled about how members of the media can't seem to see it. It's their job to know and understand these things, isn't it?
Aero --MSM-- their job.
November 29, 2006 - 12:55 ET by misterbillAero --MSM-- their job. I do not know any longer, what their job is. I do not mean that in any sarcastic sense. I am puzzled. I wish I could remember which newscaster said the following because it is probably the great clue to the answer. He said that while in journalism class in college, one of the professors suggested to the male members of the class that they were wasting their time studying journalism. He further added that the field belonged to women and to liberals and it would be difficult to find work without being one or the other..
aero - we are roughly the sam
November 29, 2006 - 22:41 ET by Unsaneaero - we are roughly the same age, and I can tell you that for me, my defining moment was seeing, walking up to, and touching, the Berlin Wall, and visiting both West and East at a young age. (Something else they didn't teach in high school.) Had I not had that experience, or other experiences like that...well, I shudder to think where I'd be today.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
If we had today’s MSM dur
November 29, 2006 - 12:23 ET by Red JeepIf we had today’s MSM during WW2 the East Coast would be speaking German and the West Coast Japanese. I wish the government would get serious about the sedition and treason laws during the last 2 years if this administration.
The Copperheads love the MSM
November 29, 2006 - 12:34 ET by Carl KolchakThe MSM is taking the correct attitude in how to deal with this conflict. The MSM really knows a lot about Civil Wars.
Sincerely
The Copperheads
"It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it." Robert E Lee
McClellan in '08!!!
November 29, 2006 - 13:04 ET by Roger the ShrubberMcClellan in '08!!!
Excellent reply
November 29, 2006 - 13:13 ET by Carl KolchakExcellent reply Roger. Didn't Clark in '04 remind you a lot of that? It is amazing the similarities of what was going on then in 1864 and what was happening in 2004 and now. History definatly repeats itself.
"It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it." Robert E Lee
As usual (for better or worse
November 29, 2006 - 13:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberAs usual (for better or worse!! haha) we are on the same wavelength, Mr. Kolchak.
I had not heard that term used in a few years, so I decided to look for some political cartoons of the time about Copperheads, and found this and this.
I hope it's okay to link to a
November 29, 2006 - 12:35 ET by aeroI hope it's okay to link to another blogger's post--I'm fairly new here, so I'm not sure of the etiquette. Anyway, here's a related post by one of my fave bloggers, Neo-Neocon:
http://neo-neocon.blogspot.com/2006/11/vietnamization-iraqization-part-ii.html
I've read a lot of good commentary about the prospect of early withdrawal from Iraq, but I liked this one in particular because Neocon quotes Nixon extensively re:withdrawal from Vietnam. Whether one is a fan of Nixon or not, what he said at the time can send shivers up your spine because history is repeating itself so very closely. It's clear that the blow to our national spirit was/is incredibly difficult to overcome after Vietnam--it would be nearly impossible to recover from the same situation with Iraq.
aero good read
November 29, 2006 - 12:49 ET by misterbillaero good read .
The will of the American people can be a powerful deterrent to hopeful terrorists. Nixon was right. Except for Australia and England, we have lost our allies. And now, soon, we will lose England.
Too many people believe that if we pull our troops back, not just in Iraq, but world-wide, we will find peace. I believe we will show weakness and encourage our enemies.
Well, I think Nixon pretty mu
November 29, 2006 - 13:36 ET by aeroWell, I think Nixon pretty much predicted 9-11, Iraq, and the GWOT when he said that withdrawing from Vietnam would encourage new enemies, break our national spirit, and bring more war instead of peace. It took decades, but a whole new set of enemies think they have a chance against us because they have not seen us fight with the full force of our capabilities and will in over half a century. They think that we won't ever do it again. So far, they seem to be right. If 9-11 couldn't keep us united in our will to fight this enemy for more than a few months, what would?
aero new enemies---old allies
November 29, 2006 - 13:51 ET by misterbillaero new enemies---old allies.
I don't know what will unite us and I sincerely wish all of us did know. I have posted this before, but--I was in the military in Europe roughly seven year's after WW2. We had a lot of folks who liked us and a lot who didn't then. The people who laid the worst knock on us were the French.(Allies) The people who truly seemed to like us wre the Italians and the Germans. (didn't go to Germany but met German businessmen in France).
An NB poster one day offered this theory--The French are so ashamed that they were defeated by Germany, so quickly, that they resent anyone who helped to rescue them. Seems reasonable.
With so many of our former allies working against us at the UN, it is no wonder the new enemies believe they can defeat us.
So the ones we beat respected
November 29, 2006 - 14:02 ET by aeroSo the ones we beat respected and liked us? And the ones we helped despised us? Hmmmm... There's a lesson we needed to learn and didn't.
french history
November 29, 2006 - 14:03 ET by tumblerCan't recall where, but I read that in fact, France had more than 200,000 of their men killed, entering the worst phases of WWII, hoping to turn back Hitler. They were beaten, yes. But they weren't the surrender monkeys we've lately been laughing at here.
Yes, there were bad feelings, and disgust from both our side and their side.
But I was lately in Paris for a week, and really surprised. Though I speak no French, everybody tried to help me with broken English. It was quite a warm welcome for both my wife (who was assigned a workshop class in a university) and myself, the old American Geezer. Nothing unfriendly at all. Just expensive.
Tumbler
November 29, 2006 - 14:45 ET by Carl KolchakNice to hear the people in France were nice to you. It is important to remember not to stereotype all types of people as being rude. However in regards to your WW2 analogy there are a few things to remember.
Can't recall where, but I read that in fact, France had more than 200,000 of their men killed, entering the worst phases of WWII, hoping to turn back Hitler. They were beaten, yes. But they weren't the surrender monkeys we've lately been laughing at here.
Yes, there were bad feelings, and disgust from both our side and their side.
In regards to them trying to turn back Hitler, keep in mind they and Great Britain declared war on Germany first and then didn't do much about it. This is referred to as the Phony War.
They declared war on Germany once Hitler attacked Poland. Keep in mind soon after Hitler's invasion, Stalin's Red Army also invaded Poland. The poor people of Poland were anticipating help which didn't come. Since France had declared war on Germany, the Germans had to stop moving eastward and come back. The Germans made the Maginot Line look like a joke and came up through Belgium and used gliders to go over the Maginot Line, and then defeated the French. Once the French were defeated, Petian started to collaborate with them. He really wasn't in a position to resist as many French soldiers had been taken prisoner of war, and if the Germans hadn't screwed up at Dunkirk, the whole fate of the British and remaing French soldiers may have been doomed. The French government rounded up French Jews and had them sent to concentration camps. They also sent many French civlians to go work for the Germans, and over 10,000 French soldiers fought on the Eastern Front with the Germans. Now I definatly appreciate their help during the American Revolutionary War, as they were extremly instrumental in defeating the British, and without their help the Revolution probably would have failed. The problem I have is that many French like to sit on their high horse and think they are so superior to everyone else, but the important thing to remember is that they aren't all like that. But to the ones who like to call us cowboys and mock our country, they should examine their own country's role in WW2.
"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane" Waylon Jennings
That's another thing I'm baff
November 29, 2006 - 14:03 ET by aeroThat's another thing I'm baffled about--why so many in the world (including and especially our former allies) are so eager to work against us. I understand the human nature part of wanting to knock the strongest one off the top of the hill, but beyond that it seems so self-destructive on their part. The global economy would collapse if our economy collapsed or even suffered too heavy a blow. Chaos would ensue in many unstable areas of the world if our troops were no longer there to help keep the peace. The UN could not survive without our funding. The standard of living around the world would drop dramatically without our billions and billions of dollars of aid. Why do they not see that destroying us would hurt them just as much? It seems pretty clear that it's in their interest to have a strong United States, yes?
Aero- In their best interest??
November 29, 2006 - 14:15 ET by misterbillAero- In their best interest?? Yes? Yes! I sometimes wish I had studied psychology to better understand why we do the things we do.(Yes, I include myself.) You are correct, if looked at closely, we have improved the world as a whole. Many people in many nations want to live in a free society like ours. But, is it envy, resentment or what? Your sentence re:knocking the strongest one of the hill, is, I think, what is behind it all. I worked for a major information technology company for 31 years. I found that many of our customers liked the employees out in the field with them, but hated the company. I think we are seeing a lot of that antipathy directed at Walmart now.
Noel, You bring up some ve
November 29, 2006 - 14:11 ET by ghotifunNoel,
You bring up some very frightening and real points here. To the best of my knowledge, no one has looked at the impact of premature withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq from this viewpoint before.
No one in 1975 considered the impact of total U.S. withdrawal from SE Asia on the populace of Viet Nam, Cambodia and Laos and the subsequent mass murders in those countries. Certainly the situation in SW Asia is more volatile than SE Asia primarily because of the nominal religious angle and the tremendous amount of money that will be controlled when whichever power(s) gain geopolitical control in Iraq.
Another view of the points you bring up is that the far left will see the power vacuum in Iraq as reason to have never gone in at all (hindsight politics) and thus negate even further, at least in their minds, that the war on terror is trumped-up militaristic fascism.
Iraq
November 29, 2006 - 16:46 ET by pbanks7To retreat, let the situation become significantly more dangerous and volatile, leaving the UN to send our soldiers back maybe a year or two later into a substantially worse environment with Kofi Annan's successor Ban Ki-moon calling the shots?
This is the first time I've seen this. Brilliant point. All the other aspects I had figured out. Great insight.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.