In his “Grapevine”segment on Monday night, FNC's Brit Hume picked up on how the Pentagon executive who oversees the Army Corps of Engineers lashed out at the news media, charging that on infrastructure progress made in Iraq “it's quite a heroic story maligned often by the news media." Hume relayed how “Dean Popps tells the Washington Times that when the Army Corps of Engineers arrived in Iraq, none of Baghdad's three sewage treatments worked, few towns had clean water, the 1950's era electrical system was falling part, and there were no primary health care facilities.” But now, “Popps says three years later the sewage system capacity increases by almost half a million cubic meters a day, power and water are much more widely accessible, and there are six new primary care facilities in the country with 66 more being built.” Yet, “Popps says reporters are often brought to some of the sites where this is happening, but he says positive stories rarely materialize."
Hume's item quoted from a Monday Washington Times story, “Rebuilding in Iraq tops 4,000 projects,” by Rowan Scarborough who quoted Popps, the Principal Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisitions, Logistics and Technology. An excerpt:
Not counting the deteriorating security situation, no facet of the Iraq war has received more negative press than the U.S.- and Iraqi-financed reconstruction. The Washington Times, along with other newspapers, has published a series of articles on setbacks and corruption. But, the Pentagon contends there is another storyline."It's quite a heroic story maligned often by the news media," Mr. Popps said during an interview in his E-Ring Pentagon office. A nearby multicolored map designates hundreds of projects started and completed, from Mosul to Basra....
Mr. Popps said it is first important to understand what the rebuilding team inherited. U.S. intelligence knew little about the actual state of Iraq's energy infrastructure and social service network. When the Army Corps of Engineers got on the ground, there was shock:
- The three regional sewage treatments plants in greater Baghdad did not work; raw waste poured into the Tigris River and downstream through villages. Sadr City, the impoverished Shi'ite slum repressed by the ruling Sunni Ba'ath Party, lacked any sewage system. "Some slam the Americans because there is sewage in Sadr City," said an incredulous Mr. Popps. "Please."
- Few towns had a central supply of clean water.
- The electrical grid suffered under 1950s technology and disrepair. Saddam Hussein starved the rest of the country of power to give the capital of 6 million about 20 hours a day.
- The country lacked any primary health care facilities; hospitals and schools were run down and lacked supplies. New hospitals had not been built in 20 years. More than half the public health centers remained closed. Of 13,000 schools, more than 10,000 needed significant renovations.
The Pentagon in 2003 summoned American firms to get reconstruction started in the absence of Iraqi ministries that could supervise and a private sector that was in shambles under Saddam's totalitarian rule.
"The ministries were jammed with people who did nothing," Mr. Popps said. "They sat around and smoked and drank tea and held 'worry beads.' It was an economy based on incompetence and corruption."
Today, the Pentagon is handing out a score sheet:
- Six new primary care facilities, with 66 more under construction; 11 hospitals renovated; more than 800 schools fixed up; more than 300 police stations and facilities and 248 border control forts.
- Added 407,000 cubic meters per day of water treatment; a new sewage-treatment system for Basra; work on Baghdad's three plants continues; oil production exceeds the 2002 level of 2 million barrels a day by 500,000.
- The Ministry of Electricity now sends power to Baghdad for four to eight hours a day, and 10 to 12 for the rest of the country. Iraqis are now free to buy consumer items such as generators, which provide some homes with power around-the-clock.
Mr. Popps said all this was accomplished despite a concerted effort by terrorists to bomb construction sites and kill workers. Thursday's kidnapping of private contractors south of Baghdad illustrates the problem. The State Department was forced to increase spending on security, up to $5 billion of the $20 billion, or risk losing more projects to saboteurs.
The Army Corps has ferried reporters to what it considers successful sites in an effort to get a few positive stories on reconstruction. But rarely do any materialize, Mr. Popps said.
"What has hurt the public perception of reconstruction is incomplete leaks to the media that there is a problem with a particular project," he said. "What is sexy to reporters is a police station that has urine in the ceiling. That's what the press prefers to talk about rather than the great successes we have made."...
Hume's item in full during the “Grapevine” segment on the November 20 Special Report with Brit Hume:
“The Assistant Secretary of the Army says the U.S. reconstruction effort in Iraq is comparable to the post-World War II Marshall Plan and a quote, 'heroic story maligned often by the news media.’ Dean Popps tells the Washington Times that when the Army Corps of Engineers arrived in Iraq, none of Baghdad's three sewage treatments worked, few towns had clean water, the 1950's era electrical system was falling part, and there were no primary health care facilities. Popps says three years later the sewage system capacity increases by almost half a million cubic meters a day, power and water are much more widely accessible, and there are six new primary care facilities in the country with 66 more being built. Popps says reporters are often brought to some of the sites where this is happening, but he says positive stories rarely materialize.”
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center



















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Perfect Rationale
November 20, 2006 - 21:25 ET by BlondeBrent,
Thank you. You've posted the n'est-plus-ultra piece on media bias.
How would the "perception" of the war in Iraq be, if MSM consumers were subjected stories like this, on a daily basis? Instead of the continual cacophony of doom and gloom?
Would the national opinion be that it was going "badly"? Or that enough is not being done?
Or would we, as a nation, be proud of our accomplishments? Knowing that there is much more to be done, but knowing that every journey begins with a few small steps.
Your right on!
November 20, 2006 - 23:46 ET by sandy1157You are right 100%, if the media would have reported the good things going on in Iraq the democrats wouldn't have won. They have turned the American people and the world against Bush and our military. If Fox News and Conservatives in the media can get the message out from the liberal medias filters we might stand a chance in Iraq but the media wants to destroy Bush to much to let that happen. Can you imagine where we would be today in Iraq if democrats would have actually worked with Bush and Republicans just on the war? I think it would have been over by now but it would have hurt democrats politically so they did everything they could to stand in the way of progress even leaking classified information that helped the terrorist stay a step a head of us all the time.Now they want to unite, no partisan fighting on the war, I wish they would have thought that way when the war started instead of doing everything in their power to lose the war! God Bless Fox News for trying to inform Americans and bless our troops who warned us if democrats win the terrorist win! They were right on!
Well Blonde it's good to know
November 21, 2006 - 04:56 ET by CaringwhiteguyWell Blonde it's good to know the sewer system is hauling away more crap each day than the day before. It's too bad though that many Iraqis can't take a dump without worrying some goon squad will blow up a car in front of their house before they've had time to wipe.
In all my contacts with ordin
November 21, 2006 - 07:59 ET by BDIn all my contacts with ordinary Iraqi's, I never had ONE of them tell me that they were worried about getting zapped while taking a dump.
I wonder if the Denizens of South Central have the same worries?
I suppose you're going to tel
November 21, 2006 - 09:47 ET by CaringwhiteguyI suppose you're going to tell us that the drive from the Green Zone to Baghdad International Airport is less dangerous than the ride from Crenshaw to LAX. They may pop each other with handguns in South Central, but you don't hear much about IEDs taking out dozens at a time. By the way, do people actually drive from the Green Zone to the airport or do they chopper over? I didn't see any mention in Finkelstein's blog about picking up a rental car at the Hertz counter.
No one said it wasn't a dange
November 21, 2006 - 11:27 ET by inquiringmindNo one said it wasn't a dangerous place. It is and will continue to be as long as the islamofacists want this land more than the Iraqis do. We are making significant progress but that is not what sells nor fits the media's adgenda.
I spoke to a SF friend a week ago who spent two tours in Iraq and he said the news coverage was so bad here that he had to call a teammate still in country just to confirm that progress is still being made.
So caringwhiteguy before you open your mouth maybe you should check the facts first.
By your definition of why we shouldn't be in Iraq, we should never have attacked Germany in WWII and D-Day and the taking of France was a horific disaster.
What would have happened if after taking those casualities we decided it was too high a price to pay and pulled the troops out? Europe would be walking the Goose Step right now and we would be negotiating with the Third Reich.
Inquiringmind-I suggest befor
November 21, 2006 - 12:10 ET by CaringwhiteguyInquiringmind-I suggest before you shoot off your mouth again, you read what I posted. Nowhere did I say we shouldn't be in Iraq. Nowhere did I say that casualties are too high or unaccceptable. It's nice to know the sewer and water system are better than some think. It's not so nice to know that Iraq still is a dangerous place. It's not so nice to know that the main road to the airport in a city we have "controlled" . . . . no, occupied for over 3 years is not safe to travel. It's not so nice to know that all the good things we are doing in Iraq are under-reported . . . but wouldn't it be nice if we had been better prepared for contingencies? The left in this country is now back in control of Congress and many more governorships and legislatures. It will be placing more judges to their liking, will be dominating the illegal immigration issue, taxing more, etc. etc. etc. Granted the left hates the President and attempted to make his success in Iraq more difficult. And granted, the left made these moves solely to weaken the President and regain as much power as they could. Unfortunately the President and his advisors made it a lot easier for the left to regain control by their inability to secure Iraq and their inability to prepare for contingencies. Those of us who supported him through thick and thin have been sorely disappointed. If this is the great plan for gaining a foothold and launching pad for the war on terror heaven help us. To those who continue to say the news coverage from Iraq is so bad, and we'd be a lot better off with more balanced reporting, why not hop the first United Airlines flight to Baghdad, rent a car and take a leisurely drive through the Sunni Triangle. In 1948 Americans could actually fly to Paris and safely take public transportation to anywhere in France.
such caring
November 21, 2006 - 12:23 ET by tumblerdear caringwhiteguy:
You give us a fine example of hindsight acting as authority, with little insight. All that you say is half-truth and deserves to be expressed. But why are you presuming to judge what HAS BEEN done, achieved, or failed in,
By second-guesses? You seem to say it was PLAIN & SIMPLE, and our gov't was deficient in every way. Unable to govern and unable to arrive at correct conclusions. (Because you say so.)
Anyone can be an armchair quarterback on Monday morning after reading the sports pages.
Thanks for mentioning armcha
November 21, 2006 - 14:38 ET by CaringwhiteguyThanks for mentioning armchair quarterbacks. Probably all of us have sat in front of the TV and second guessed a coach or manager. I fully concede I'm not a military expert or a football coach. I do know, however, that if my ground game keeps getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage I may have to pass. "Staying the course" and stubbornly trying to jam the ball up the middle gets my team nowhere. Football games last only 60 minutes. If the coach doesn't change strategy or tactics within those 60 minutes his chances of winning are severely diminished. Wars last a lot longer. There are many more opportunities to change both strategy and tactics. If leaders don't change them when they are not succeeding their chances of winning are severely diminished.
Your Trollish implication was
November 21, 2006 - 12:27 ET by Dan The Man 2Your Trollish implication was that Iraq was a quagmire and we should leave immediately, to put it bluntly. I can see you dont know much about infrastructue and that is my forte. I specialize in water and sewer infrastructue in fact. The idea is taht we are killing the terrorists and building the country while installing responsible people to run the country. Any one except a complete idiot can recognize this. Of course I would not call you complete yet.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
I fully concede that the wate
November 21, 2006 - 14:01 ET by CaringwhiteguyI fully concede that the water and sewer infrastructure is vastly improved and getting better every day. And please note the words "quagmire" and "leave immediately" are yours not mine.
Well cwg that's exactly what
November 21, 2006 - 14:44 ET by inquiringmindWell cwg that's exactly what you said when you sarcastically talk about getting a taxi or booking a flight to Iraq.
I repeat, to you the D-Day Invasion would have been a horrible mistake or the Battle of the Buldge, bad planning on our part.
So what if we liberate a few million people, they aren't our kind so why should we stick out neck out?
Hussein was a bad guy but at least we had him contained. All he was donig was blowing up a few Isralies and trying to get back what was rightfully his in Kawait. So what if he was murdering some of his own people, at least it was them and not us. And since we didn't find any WMD of consequence, well that just proves old Bushie was just under the influnece of the Neo-cons( Jews) and he really didn't want to start the war but his people around him forced him to.
(Sarc off)
All I can say is good thing we aren't depending on you when things get tough.
This country is all about free speech and you have every right to say your piece, just don't expect the opposing view to sit back and take it any more.
Inquiring - As long as you ar
November 21, 2006 - 18:44 ET by CaringwhiteguyInquiring - As long as you are so clairvoyant, reading between the lines about D-Day and the Battle of the Bulge, neo-cons, etc. , why not tell our readers more about my political beliefs. I'd like to know where you think I stand on the political spectrum. And while you are at it, look back a few threads at your own statement referring to Iraq . . . . "No one said it wasn't a dangerous place. It is and will continue to be as long as the islamofacists want this land more than the Iraqis do". According to Secretary Rumsfeld there have been only a few "dead-enders" causing all this trouble. And 23 million Iraqis don't want their country bad enough to get rid of them?
Now I'm scared - n'est-plus-u
November 21, 2006 - 12:25 ET by FastEdNow I'm scared - n'est-plus-ultra piece - going Kerry on us Blonde? Good news doen't sell - but being a student of communicaitons, you can spin it, market it, present it an any sort of package - Too bad the msm (Lsm) are too cowardly to present facts instead of opinion.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
And to think...Mr. Engle was
November 20, 2006 - 21:28 ET by Conservative in the ArtsAnd to think...Mr. Engle was back state side and got to sit next to Brain W. and said: "There is no plan in Iraq"
Mr. Engle even did a story on an orphanage and said during that report "an untold sucess story....." and I screamed...because you won't tell any!
The Dems and the media are trying so hard to make this another Vietnam, I wouldn't doubt it if Mr. Engle placed a few bombs himself.
A.) The remarkable job that t
November 20, 2006 - 21:31 ET by Ten7sA.) The remarkable job that the US Military is doing in Iraq, whether Civil Engineering or Security, doesn't fit the Liberal Bush Bashing template. It doesn't further their Liberal line. B.) The journalists who are pampered adult children take modern infrastructure (plumbing, electricity, roads, hospitals, schools, etc.) for granted. C.) Engineering really doesn't interest them because it doesn't respond to their argumentation and agitation. They can't spout a bunch of pseudo-psychobabble or legalese and make the lights come on.
And yet, getting drinking wat
November 20, 2006 - 21:41 ET by Conservative in the ArtsAnd yet, getting drinking water is a big story in Africa.....but snooze city in Iraq.
This reminds me of one of my favorite liberas that I get the chance to work with. Back when we had just gone into Iraq, she was listening to NPR when we were working. The people were calling in with all kinds of accusations that we had poisoned thier water, bombed their sewers, that we caused all the problmes. I got so fed up that I had to say "That's all assuming that Iraq was a paradise before we went in."
She quiped back rather snidly: "It's not like Iraq is a 3rd world country!"
So, The lesson here is: Bush caused all those power grids to go bad. Bush caused the sewer plants to break down. Bush is the reason they didn't have clean water. It was all the "sactions against Iraq" ARRRGGGGG.....
It's a miracle my TV hasn't been thrown or bashed in.
Wait I thought that was the new green world
November 20, 2006 - 22:46 ET by SportPoliticsWait I thought that was the new green world. Without excessive water consumption and wasteful electrical appliances and vehicles using gasoline...that is the perfect green enviro friendly Goretopia, isn't it ? Thank you President Bush for saving the world from global warming in Iraq.
Sports Politics
November 20, 2006 - 22:52 ET by BlondeGoretopia?
You, sir, are not being in the least bit helpful.
Help me Sporty...I watered the keyboard instead of my orchids.
Bad Sport, bad, bad Sport.
Go to your room!
Timing is Everything
November 20, 2006 - 21:41 ET by acumenSomething smells rotten here. Surely Mr. Popps isn't suggesting the American estab media should do a positive story on Iraqi sewage with such an abundance of negative Republican effluent to be fabricated and repeated infinitum. Oh, that's right, the election is over - the Dems won. New direction and all of that crap. On second thought, I guess now would be a good time for the estab media to show off the progress our government is making cleaning up the mess in Iraq.
Acumen,Something smells here.
November 20, 2006 - 21:46 ET by BlondeAcumen,
Something smells here....
Like garbage.
Don't even get me started.
Maybe Al Gore could go over t
November 20, 2006 - 21:48 ET by Conservative in the ArtsMaybe Al Gore could go over there and inform all those people that those generators and that new indoor plumbing will destory the world! We need to save these people! Let's see what people that live in a desert think about Global Warming.
CITA
November 20, 2006 - 21:54 ET by BlondeUm, CITA,
Could you leave the generators out of it, please?
Important household item, here.
Did you see where Al Gore equated the U.S. & Australia to the "Bonnie & Clyde" of Global warming a few days ago? What a supreme idiot!!!!
Laughing.
It really is sad that the onl
November 20, 2006 - 22:25 ET by NazarethIt really is sad that the only thing the MSM can focus on is the negative- They claim to want ot be 'fair and balanced'? How bout showing the good that our military is doing then? So many people simply are unnaware of the good being accomplished and think there has been absolutely no progress and everythign is a quagmire. Nearly 1/3 of the population I beleive has been innoculated in Iraq- potentially saving millions from things they don't have to die from- this is a MAJOR improvement over the Saddam regime times. Women now getting decent educations, girls goign to schools, people sinking money into opening businesses like never before, towns helping to combat the terrorists by not welcomming htem anymore etc. on and on it goes, but you'd never know it listening to CNN, Matthews, Olberman etc.
http://sacredscoop.com
Nazareth
November 20, 2006 - 22:37 ET by BlondeWonderful points, all. Which is why you are now posting on the grown up site.
We all get it.
When I first was given the link to this site, it took me about three hours to figure out what the "MSM" was. Hello lightbulb!!!
Trust me when I tell you, I am an educated person. But I never thought about my news sources, until I came to this site. I have been a Republican (but not a great one)....and a conservative forever.
But when I realized the blather that goes on in the media on a day-to-day basis...well.
So now I know.
And do my part to let others know, too. It's what we can do.
Iraq reporting works like lib pre-election reporting
November 21, 2006 - 15:06 ET by SportPoliticsI recall all the stories on the oil lines getting blown up in Iraq. They went on and on about the electric grid for some time.
I see now that oil production has exceeded pre-war level by 500,000 barrels a day so it's no longer a story for the news. It's like when the economy had so much continuous growth under Bush, they quit reporting on it. Same with the new highest highs ever in the stock market. Just a negative mention added on to what they "had to report".
They've done the same thing concerning the sewage works in Iraq. It used to be a big whine and dunce, but since it's better, it's not a story much.
They whined about schools, but over a year ago an NG /active Army MP)said to me in person, " What do you think we do sit on our *** over there. We've been building them schools. ( He meant his unit specifically amongst others ).
So that wasn't a good whine anymore. They got all new schoolbooks, too.
I'm convinced that once the news quits whining about something it's better than pre-war levels.
Once they stop whining about something Bush here, it's better to. I guess I'll have to see how they report the Pelosi/dem "successes" now. I suspect it will be delivered as a heroic act of straightening out the USA just by the dems claiming they are for doing something. Then afterwards, they will report only the upside of any stats, ignoring the negative effects and leaving them out of the happiness news entirely.
I've seen exactly one report on Iraq a few years back where they showed Iraqis for the very first time in their lives buying washing machine and dryers. One report in all these years, that was a "positive" for the Iraq people and "market" and economy over there.
Let's face it, if you watch TV, you've never seen any commerce in Iraq at all. Exactly zero. There are no stores open for anything, and haven't been for all these years. LOL I mean that's the impression. I haven't even seen on TV where the Iraqis but food. Never seen a grocery market there. I guess they just don't sell anything over there at all. Like nothing. Can anyone think of what the new Iraqi Dinar looks like ? Of course not, they would never show money on the news reports, giving the impression that Iraqis are actually " happy happy " buying something.
I've seen the inside of a barber shop once, when they portrayed the people inside the barbershop watching the newly assigned handover from Paul Bremmer to give the Iraqis autonomy back on their 20" TV mounted up on the barbershop wall. I thought to myself why that barbershop looks like one here pretty much. That was too much good news for the news to show, so, as usual, I've never seen one again.
Screw the news.
Iraqis don't go shopping and have no cash. There are no stores, and noone can purchase anything. There isn't even a gas station of any kind in Iraq. There's no gas pumps. I mean have you EVER seen any on the news? not likely.
Given the state of MSM repo
November 20, 2006 - 22:56 ET by Red JeepGiven the state of MSM reporting I don’t know how any US citizen has a clue what is happening in Iraq. From what is reported it would seemed that our soldiers there wake up every day and go out and fight an overwhelming force of the Iraqi army, for years now, longer than WW2 the MSM will stress, that Iraqi army will never quit so loyal are they to Saddam.
Of course, it would seem from the MSM that our army has trashed the paradise that was Saddam’s Iraq. There are sewage and electricity problems. What a quagmire! What a cesspool!
Those of us who are political news junkies know the above is not true. We know that the Iraqi army was defeated in 2 to 3 weeks. Our soldiers since then are fighting terrorists, the War on Terror in the Iraq front.
From articles like this we also know that prior to our troops efforts there Iraq was an environmentalist’s nightmare, not a Saddam paradise, and our military is doing great work improving the lives of the Iraqi’s.
But to those non-political news junkies who are half paying attention to what they hear from the MSM during the course of their day on their car radios going to work, doing errands etc. the Iraq war is a quagmire and the average Iraqi is worse off now than when Saddam was shredding people, and his sons were on the prowl for girls to rape, and has lasted longer than WW2 (like that’s relevant and not an apple/oranges comparison.).
I am at a loss as to why the press bias against this press’s own country. What do they gain if we fail there?
That is why I am more and more convinced that our government has to start/ promote its own online newspaper to compete with the MSM. In such a paper all sorts of factual info can be published about legislation, the President’s goals and what is being done to attain them and a place where factual news about Iraq can be made public. Where there can be human-interest stories about schools and hospitals built in Iraq etc. If anything is in error in such a paper I am sure that the MSM will crow about it.
There could even be a nightly government TV news show featuring Tony Snow. I’d watch that!
Something has to be done to counter the half truths and outright lies, the MSM reports as news, and the omission of stories like this one about the positive things going on in Iraq, that lead one to believe that nothing good is happening.
Blonde- I didn't even figure
November 20, 2006 - 23:28 ET by NazarethBlonde- I didn't even figure ourt what MSM was for months- had to ask someone lol
http://sacredscoop.com
Naz,You're here now...that's
November 20, 2006 - 23:32 ET by BlondeNaz,
You're here now...that's all that matters.
But I know what you mean.
NOW we know! ;-)
I had to google "ROTFLM
November 21, 2006 - 09:31 ET by Hunter12I had to google "ROTFLMAO". I thought I was being insulted.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
So true
November 20, 2006 - 23:55 ET by terrigMy parents are in their 70''s and watch NBC news every evening like their lives depended on it and they would die if they missed what old Brian Williams had to say. There is a whole segment of the grey haired crowd that eat dinner every night and watch this crap. I've already told them when they come out for Christmas this is a no msm home and we watch Barney & Clifford during the dinner hour.
My husband told me he was so demoralized about what was being reported over there. While they were in the airport (I think Atlanta) CNN was on and he could not get over the negatiavity coming out of that television. He wanted to go to the airport bar but isn't supposed to drink in uniform so instead he and this other Soldier he was with sat there and gave the television the finger everytime CNN had an Iraq story on.
terrig,There IS hope. I mov
November 21, 2006 - 00:05 ET by Blondeterrig,
There IS hope. I moved my elderly parents in with me about a year and a half ago. Alzheimer's, you know....whatever. Not worth discussing.
But my mom is perfectly open to suggestion. And after a year, or a bit more, I've finally moved her away from CBS, and ABC ("but Charley Gibson is so cute"). She actually likes Britt Hume. And has quit buying all of the liberal media blather.
My next intervention involves banning Oprah.
But that's another story!
Baby steps.
My husband wants us to buy a house with an in law suite for them
November 21, 2006 - 00:09 ET by terrigBlonde,
Maybe the three weeks out here will make an impact on them. Oprah though has been a mainstay in my mother's tv viewing since she first hit Chicago on what used to be called A.M. Chicago. I think she'll want to be burried with a tv so she can continue watching her from beyond! ;)
Help!
November 21, 2006 - 00:17 ET by UnsaneMaybe you can help me with my parents then! My mother finally heard that balboa's girlfriend is anchoring CBS in the evening and now she watches that ("What's wrong with Katie Couric? Why don't you like her?", she asks) without fail. My father insists on watching ABC at 5:30. I was raised on this habit and persisted into my very early 20s. They cannot understand why and how I have come to the conclusions I have come to.
Indeed, my father and I argued vehemently over the merits, or lack thereof, of 60 Minutes last night. Ugh.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Unsane,You just need to grow
November 21, 2006 - 00:21 ET by BlondeUnsane,
You just need to grow a thicker hide, and ignore it.
Either that...or hide the bloody remote (removing the batteries works as well).
Actually, I leave the house.
November 21, 2006 - 00:33 ET by UnsaneActually, I leave the house. I have a very bad habit of screaming at the TV. :-)
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Ask them what is wrong with F
November 21, 2006 - 00:23 ET by ChemicalOperatorAsk them what is wrong with Fox News. See if you can get them to switch off the broadcasts each night. One night you watch ABC with them, the next night they watch FNC with you. Point out the differences and see if they can explain the bias. They will come around in time.
This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.
Tried and failed
November 21, 2006 - 00:35 ET by UnsaneOne night I actually put the TV on "Brit Hume's Special Report" and though my father has NO problem with Fox News whatsoever, he HAS to watch ABC News with Charlie Gibson. It MUST be done; he cannot fathom why I would dare watch anything else at 5:30 CST.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)
Confession time
November 21, 2006 - 00:34 ET by misterbillConfession time---I have a confession to make. I find out what is being reported on MSM by coming to NB. I do not watch national network news . I watch the local news at 11PM. I have never understood the fascination of the American public for most of the network news. Was I ahead of my time or was I just lucky. And to be fair to our kindhearted lib friends(joke), I basically stopped watching when Clinton was in office. They praised the Clintons to the sky every night. Then they turned on poor Willie because of his overdose of testosterone. I tuned in a few times and it was the same story each time. The MSM creates news and provides analysis.(Very biased of course.) They do not report the news. I rely on Fox for an honest report of the news. I also get very peeved when folks say Fox is a right wing network. There are more libs on staff than conservatives.
PS Network personalities I have NEVER liked include Couric, Walters, Jennings and Brokaw. Network folks I liked and then didn't anymore include Rather and Koppel. Many years ago, I liked Cronkite, but I got over him a long time ago. Ditto for Andy Rooney, he has turned into a unhappy old man.
LOL I dont watch much MSM eit
November 21, 2006 - 01:08 ET by Dan The Man 2LOL I dont watch much MSM either. I dont want to.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
I hate to say this, but using
November 21, 2006 - 02:15 ET by jdhawkI hate to say this, but using the Clinton play book would serve President Bush well. And that is, if Clinton wanted to get a message to the American people, he would send en mass his cabinet members and members of the Senate and Congress out to the media and to any and all organizational conferences, etc. and they would pound that message into the American people's heads. I just don't see that happening on the part of President Bush and that is a shame. President Bush's policies and the men and women of our Armed Forces are making the lives of 50 million people better day-by-day and little or nothing is known about it. And, that is only in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are at work across the planet in various and sundry projects to help better people's lives regardless of their race, color, or creed. The United States is the guiding light on this planet.
That is one of my biggest c
November 21, 2006 - 10:06 ET by n2soonersThat is one of my biggest complaints with Bush (but don't get me started on border security). Every once in a while he will give a series of speeches. The talk in the media will naturally turn towards that topic and his poll numbers will start to rise. Then he just stops. And after that his numbers once again start to fall. It isn't just the media's fault that people think Iraq is a complete disaster (where it actually is a mixed bag) or that the economy is in the dumps (when it is actually one of the best economies ever), it is also Bush's fault for not being out there and getting the word out. He is the leader of the party and the nation and he needs to get out there and lead.
N2, I've tried to puzzle out
November 21, 2006 - 10:33 ET by Hunter12N2, I've tried to puzzle out why the administration doesn't do more to promote the success stories in the ME and the only thing I can figure is that President Bush is willingly to take the hits to keep things rolling along over there. If the White House were to call a press conference and tout the new hospitals in Baghdad, it would give them an elevated status that might lead islamofascists to direct their attacks towards those hospitals. Yes, the terrorists on the ground can see that things are getting done, but they won't incur the locals' anger by destroying something that doesn't have international status as a target. Can anyone imagine previous administrations willing to forego that chance to get credit for something achieved?
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
I saved the TIVO clip but t
November 21, 2006 - 12:19 ET by JDWI saved the TIVO clip but the ability to simply read the transcript is better. We need to cut and paste it and parade the facts which are closeted by news media et al.
JDW
Kerry: "You know, education, if you make the most of it ... you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."