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How have Democrats managed to

How have Democrats managed to gain congressional power in states that reliably vote Republican in presidential elections?

Arrogant intellectually dishonest media LIBERALS teaching those stupid peasants how to vote by way of selective reporting, misinformation, propaganda, and out right lies.

I say it was voter fraud, dis

I say it was voter fraud, disenfranchisement, hanging chads, racism and Microsoft.

For years,  the majority of

For years,  the majority of the political junkies outside of the beltway have been yelling: way too much spending, no new entitlements, build the fence, drill where we have oil, make tax cuts permanent, fix social security, stop playing PC and stomp the terrorist in Iraq, fix the tax system.

We have written our congressmen and senators and our president. We have written to the papers, on blogs, called our radio talk show hosts. The leaders in the Republican party have looked at us and thought to themselves.. too bad, where else can they go?.  The answer is: dinner, then a movie. We the voters (the real power in America) have felt like the girl taken to the dance and dumped when we walked through the door.

America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Disenhower

How did it happen ?

How have Democrats managed .... in states that reliably vote Republican in presidential elections?

By the skin of their lying lib 1% victories.

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USA4 , I would ask to think about how there never was a republican majority. 7 traitors in the gang of 14 took senatorial R's to that giant number 48.

Someday conservative will figure out that when we have 55 with an R behind it that really means abut 48 or even 45 in practice, and that's because the split in many states is razor thin and in the elected there are rino and dino, and that's how the democrats "grabbed" a "red state" or two.

Earlier I heard how "blue" Pennsylvania did this and that...

Yeah, blue Pennsylvania ? Bush was about 120,00 votes behind Kerry in that state when over 5,000,000 voted.

2-3% difference there, not really worthy of a color designation. Less of a difference than in Ohio. Ohio was argued, and that "blue" Murtha area was left alone.

I'm holding out for that 75% republican majority in both houses. If we ever get it there, it will be about 60% anyway, or something like that, enough to slam filibusters, maybe enough for a marraige amendment or a Roe vs Wade reversal.

I agree, we need to go after

I agree, we need to go after the RINO’s in the primaries. We need to take a stand on if we will be conservatives, or Democrats lite. I have to admit that the Democrats running to the right was a smart. Then when they get in the DNC will turn them to the left, look at ALGore. He moved so far to the left he has his own orbit.

America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Disenhower

usa4freedom

please correct the spelling on your tag line, I'm beggin'yuzz...

I know it's the enemy paper,

I know it's the enemy paper,  but if you're looking for an answer . . . . . . http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/18/AR2006111801076_pf.html

Numerous reasons. One obviou

Numerous reasons. One obviously is the media - news is now propadanda. Another is corruption, which the media really played up. Now that the election is over, Mark Foley has moved to the background.

In addition, the President and many in Congress betrayed conservative values on issues like spending and border security. A last, but important reason, is the unpopularity of George Bush, even among conservatives. In a Pew exit poll over 30% said they were voting against George Bush.

My hunch is that when the President gets done making deals with Ms. Nancy on issues like spending and "comprehensive immigration," Bush will be more depised by conservatives than Democrats.

has it occurred to you, BW,

Has it occurred to you Bush is only unpopular to half the nation on principle; and quite a good president in the opinion of others in our red states?

It isn't just popularity that governs effectively. Clinton became a pop star president, more smear-proof than most; but he wasn't better in principle than George W. He was a bum.
Did we see him raked over the coals for dodging the draft? Hardly. Or for lying and triangulating and parsing words every day he was in office? Not at all. Not to mention his morals. Let's not even go there.

But our "unpopular" President has to take cover when he says he's a Christian. Bottles come flying at him. His military service is ridicued, and he wasn't a draft-dodger. His spending may be unconservative by conventional standards, but what about his terrific record in restoring our economy, even under the most horrific conditions; after 9-11.

I would say, the hell with our polls and surveys. They're nothing but muck-raking and hate-speech. We have altogether a FANTASTIC man as our President, and he's earned the respect of our military, of every Christian in America, and definitely MY OWN.

It's actually more than half

It's actually more than half the population and conservatives are rapidly joining their ranks after Bush's comments on "comprehensive immigration" at a press conference. I voted for Bush twice (although not in the 2000 primary). A "compassionate" conservative is conservative when it suits his purposes.

I believe the republican loss

I believe the republican loss in the congress is not so much about the president, but about the fact the republican congress strayed too far away from its base.  In congress you saw wild spending, immigration reform proposed that did nothing to stop illegal immigration, and you couldnt really tell about the republicans from the democrats.

Bush will never be as popular as Clinton due to the fact he does not care if he is liked. He has slacked recently on issues like immigration though, overall though I believe Bush will be shown in a positive light like old Honest Abe before him and FDR.

The congress was lost due to the RNC ignoring the base trying to get the left to like them. This will never work, I believe if you see Reagan republicans return in 2008 that there will be no way the democrats can hold the congress or gain the presidency.

DNC presidential candidate for 2008, "Brave Sir Robin"

tumbler   great post ,  I

tumbler   great post ,  I aggree with it completly .  Clinton should have been convicted by that "cowardly" Senate,  and tried and convicted in Federal court for a bunch of things.      He didn't have a crooked press hounding him all the time, like President Bush has.     .....Political correctness when dealing with  Islam will kill america....ww .....    

BW222

In a Pew exit poll over 30% said they were voting against George Bush.

Pew is part of the liberal left shadow party.

If you have any sense at all you know 30% of republicans did not vote against Bush. The midterm seats were often decided on less than 1%.

It's amazing what rubbish flies nowadays.

Let's see. The MSM points

Let's see. The MSM points to the WOT as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to the 'poor economy' as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to the USA hating world (except for illegals, who love us) as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to illegals here as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to the denial of miraculous cures from fetal stem cells as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to the evil Christian fundamentalists takeover of the country as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to heterosexual marriage as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to No Child Left Behind as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to Fox News Channel as a failure, all republican's fault. The MSM points to the decline in viewers/readers of news media as a failure, all republican's fault. I'm thinking the MSM had something to do with this.

DSG

What you see is what you get...

To me there is no great mystery here. This was a rejection vote of President Bush and the current Republican leadership and in some of these Republican states you are seeing the collateral damage. Our President has the political and social acumen to govern Texas, but it isn't Presidential and this reality, though ignored with hope by independents, finally exhaled and said, NO. The President enjoyed no track record and a promise of conservative leadership the first go 'round and of course facing Gore helped as well. The second election was handed to him through the ineptness of Kerry, another softball Democrat (and I do give Rove credit for knowing how to market Bush both times and sell him). But the party is over and we have at best a very mediocre man at the helm. He does not inspire. Maybe one on one he is quite charming and in small groups he is appealing but he is leading a nation, not a small group and in that context President Bush is as poor a communicator as Carter was.

It is also a rejection of the course in Iraq. I do think people supported the mission but the failure to go beyond where we were two years ago has left many rightfully cynical.

What you see is what you get and the collateral damage can be attributed to President Bush and the Republican leadership. Do I think the MsM is unbalanced and contributed to this? Yes but even a 30% adjustment in the balancing or reporting I do not believe would have covered for the mediocre and at times quite poor leadership of President Bush and the Republican heads.


I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).

By force- they intimidated vo

By force- they intimidated voters by telling them they'd all burn in hell if they didn't vote democrat and they issued threats of prison if they didn't vote D. They also let out hte air from the tires of R voters and also called R voters telling them the voting had ben postponed until Wed. they also threatend older voters with threats that they would suspend their publishers clearing house submissions, and telling older folks that they would lose their health insurance if they voted R. They also showed pictures of bloody rabbits and insinuated that only Repubs approved of animal testing, and they also told voters that only the D's could stop global warming, cure aids and conquer cancer.

Hey- I'm just reporting the facts like the D's do lol

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Response

Childish gibberish. Appropriate for bitter losers.

Of CRD and gibberish

Nah.   The childish gibberish comes from people like CRD who think government is there to punish/steal from the successful to reward/subsidize/babysit failure.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."  -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

Response

More of the same ,childish gibberish.

Grow up unsane.

CRD - Are you a 12-year-old,

CRD - Are you a 12-year-old, or do you just play on the internet?

CRD seems to be related...

CRD seems to be related to Andy Rooney, a bitter little liberal curmudgeon. A liberal scroogeball. Maybe CRD can be Jack Cafferty's girlfriend.

Response to CRD

So you do not deny that you believe the government is there to punish/steal from the successful and reward/subsidize/babysit failure?  

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."  -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

CRD

Gosh, Girfriend,

I think you forgot your meds.

You're having an awfully difficult time staying on track with one conversation tonoight, aren't you?

Perhaps you should go to bed now, little girl.  Past your bedtime obviously.  ADHD and all.

LiberalsInvite the Satan, bur

Liberals

Invite the Satan, burn the old paper.

Secular cause, freedom abridged.  Shut up you foul rightist!

Be quiet you shell of a person!  You must be shallow not to believe us!

Take up liberalism, leave the good behind you, rape her, abort her!

Our savior is Soros; he screams and spends.

Many are blinded.

And the dumb shall follow,

And the drugged shall know,

And the envious shall march,

And the legal thieves will go,

With them to take,

All for themselves, we know.

To make Godless man, man bound, lovers of themselves—force it on others,

Scourges in suits work for power.

Put aside generations of the good, and those who died for it.

No straps or chains to hold him back, twisted words, more words every hour.

Press on, spread the lie, fan the flame until the idea has finally died.

Waste the find on small minds who happily follow as hungry rats.

Add to your Army—the soulless, rude, the deceivers of our time,

Older fashioned selfish wart covered pigs, newer fashioned democrats.

Add them, fool—the arrogant and misguided, the truly evil part of the heart.

Why must you work to destroy the good?  For mine, we want no part.

Why must you effort to harm?  For mine not a start.

To think you must clean the clean foundations of America?

The power used for good no more if you can buy it and watch it burn.

We have prayer to fight you and use it for the sake of the good that’s left,

The dwindling stream can become an angry ocean—our turn.

Inflame me with your lie if I were to let it.

Can’t turn a stone and find a flower.

Turn the liberal stone, find a snake.

Tell us again of your wisdom.  It’s good to laugh.

That has filled a generation and brought them into a wilderness.

I must have missed something.

Using words to exaggerate life; untrue, hurtful, vile,

While safely ensconced in the company of other fools with similar minds.

Cannot see, refuse to see, piss on truth in action—

The faithful, the defending, real justice, not killing the unborn,

Not killing the soul of man, not taking away freedom.

Not taking from me to give to those who do not work, choose not to work,

When they could, but won’t.

They won’t when they do not have to labor though,

Comfortable in the most prosperous system ever known,

Others have made it so.

You and Soros fail to see the beauty, the woman before you—

This reflection of goodness—of others—

This hope for mankind, underfoot, tarnished by you.

While tearing it down and pulling it in as spit, a bounty to throw.

More vile words, mindless talk, lying descriptions, for what cause do you spend?

Vile words, untrue words, uttered in the company of other fools, human curs,

While putting on the face of rage, simple anger, burning hate for your comfort?

She plays her ditty, forgets the manger, what would she have us do?

Nothing it seems.  And let Israel die.  He wants his Prozac free.

It’s nothing to him, to them, until it comes to him, to them and know,

A freedom lost.  Then what?  What good is the lie?

Not hers, not his, in moonlight softness instead a darkness so,

Their moonbeam glow dimmed under the weight of Islam.

Is it mine to ask what it is they—you—really know?

I know already and choose not to buy what you’re selling.

Your arguments bore me,

Heard them all before,

Never saw any work; there’s no more shame.

Never been true, but still you look toward fame,

They find a forum—new minds to claim.

People want to kill us. You don’t believe it.

What do you say?  I choose to leave you to it.

You say I’ll join not, leave them be for I am me—

Much too important to defend a country so vile,

It is us the problem. I laugh at your chosen stench,

And your fixed mightily stained sickly sticky smile.

How many are fooled by your smallish talk?

How many fools are brought to anger by false talk?

Lie some and lie more, tiresome lies that bore me asleep.

Those who have a lot of hate—why do you keep,

Arrogance your bedmate, half thoughts your life?

Is it self-hate spewing from your mouth, fouled odorous,

Is it simply a deeply seated hate for others keeping you immersed in strife?

As if only you are inspired and gifted a mind?

Fool.  Heartless, loud fool, evil intent, a bad find,

Who would happily spread your disease to me.

Know forever you will not for I wish to see.

Never should I desire to be as miserable as you.

Instead I choose happy and glad I’m not of your mind, fool.

Never relent.

 

 

Thanks Nazareth

Thanks Nazareth, looks exactly correct to me. Maybe Rolling Stone will do another 4 page rabidfest about  the stolen election, this time zeroing in on the democrats who have been studying how to's for 6 years.

dear guy, et al:

When we have our pore noses rubbed in the foul-smelling, mediocre, shame-on-him Bush story you tell, it takes real guts to defend the dirty old road-kill. Either we have the guts, or we're certifiably crazy.

I am just crazy enough to challenge your presumably honest appraisal of W. -- I challenge it on the grounds that you forgot the lessons of American history. You base your conclusions not on a presidential career, but on Napoleon Bonapart's great deeds. That, or maybe some 19th century railroad baron's career, or on the achievements of a mythological Japanese shogun. Bush is, of course none of these. He's a human being with leadership qualities not too inferior to those of Churchill around 1940. (He was also human, and many Brits hated his dirty guts.) He even recalls another profoundly disliked Republican. --Abraham Lincoln, who lived during his Civil War days almost universally reviled and cursed by a vast number of otherwise fine Americans. The ones who detested Lincoln at least could point to a Civil War with hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers and scorched earth as far as the eye could see. Lincoln was even assassinated; about the only thing yet to happen if Bush isn't heads up. W also has the whole WORLD'S news media spinning to beat hell, hoping to destroy any belief in his honesty and his native intelligence which may yet exist.

Lincoln is now recognized as a great president despite his daily life's heavy crosses. Despite total Civil War ! ! !

I think, and so do other Americans, that Bush will be seen as a tremendous president many years far in our future. That is, if he succeeds somehow in facing down Islamofascist powers around the globe. A tall order. --If he can't, it won't matter. Because the historical revisionists then will be fanatical Muslims. They'll prove to us he was mediocre. You can't prove anything. You're just like me. Certifiably crazy. italics OFF--

Your response...

Your response, while melodramic, dealt with little of the content of my post. But then again you might believe Michael Vick is a first tier NFL quarterback who just can't seem to catch a break. Napoleon...oh Napoleon...


I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).

what-- mot I arsk

What's melodramic? Rant? I resemble that statement.

I meant to say your dim appraisal of Geo W Bush is flawed, because you seem not to know that great men are very often unappreciated and smeared by their contemporaries. Unless they conquer the world, and then you'd jump on their bandwagon. I am not a football fan. (I consider Johnny Unitas the last great quarterback; just as any conservative ought to.)

If I wanted to place Bush in the league of great Q-B's, he'd be possibly Fran Tarkenton. Overall, not so bad.

Allow me to invite you to demonstrate from the post, your claims

You are making claims that my post indicates:

1. I seem not to know that great men are very often unappreciate and smeared by their contemporaries.

2. Unless they conquer the world I jump on the bandwagon.

Please demonstrate where I even intimate this or it can be interpreted as such. To me at best you projected upon my thoughts your own thoughts or suspicions of what lies within the rest of my mind.

Many great men are not appreciate and smeared but not being appreciate or smeared doesn't guarantee greatness and if conquering the world is required, well even Alexander didn't quite do that. I believe that he was and is at best mediocre and will be seen that way.


I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).

I can reply, Guy

One at a time. First: "To me there is no great mystery here. This was a rejection vote of President Bush and the current Republican leadership and in some of these Republican states you are seeing the collateral damage. Our President has the political and social acumen to govern Texas, but it isn't Presidential and this reality, though ignored with hope by independents, finally exhaled and said, NO." ---Not melodramatic; but you tried.

If this election was decided in many key states by a razor-thin margin; which many in our news media say; then the rejection vote is just your subjective idea based on hindsight, not on Bush or his capacity to work. (We know he works wonders, such as hurricanes, malaprops, even torture of innocent children at Gitmo.)

We also should lean a little less ponderously on these mid-term results. They are well-known to follow a predictable trend. Even Cool Ann Coulter was unwilling to say we would have a Republican Congress these two years ahead. She is well-informed and expected the worst; and not because we were deserving of it. Just because it's happened many times in the past. Even in Rooseveldt's era.

"--you are seeing the collateral damage. Our President has the political and social acumen to govern Texas, but it isn't Presidential." -- I must disagree. Bush may well have turned off many conservative voters. But the election results haven't made it so plain why some states voted Blue. There are some who abandoned the GOP on account of the incumbents' own foolishness and hubris. They were simply heading for a fall and it wasn't Bush's fault. We were exposed in a leftist media broadside. Foley, Duke Cunningham, Ney, and --so many jihadis who video-intimidated us on TV every day; and above all, self-serving lies from Democrat challengers. (You know, the Squeaky-Clean Party).

During such humiliations, Bush remained focused on the job he promised to do. In both terms, tax reform and the war on terror. He had to let our congressional chips fall where they would. Just as YOU would have. He trusted in God; as I do. He kept his chin up, and remains in full presidential mode. You probably don't believe this on account of so many hit-pieces and Michael Moore cheap shots. Of course you took movies like "Dreamz" seriously, like so many others of little faith. Nothing will ever convince you because you won't be convinced.

Well tumbler...

You responded to the initial post indeed but did fail to justify the claims of my historical ignorance or requirement of world domination. Usually hindsight is a good teacher, but certainly not the singular criterion for voting. Thanks for your response and I am not familiar with "Dreamz".


I am a member of LSCA (Lazy Spell Checkers Anonymous).

you're so welcome, Guy

As one southern friend of mine put it: "Welome as a hair in a biscuit."

Dreamz was one of many attempts to portray W, (thinly veiled) as a RUBE. In the movie, we see the Pres as you have discerned him to be, plainly a clueless fundie. As a movie it was clueless in script-writing; and as box-office material. Only Al Franken was missing from the usual suspects ganging up on our president. I'm not so sure these crude hatchet-jobs don't have a lingering effect on public opinion. Americans are that shallow, I'm afraid. (They fall even for somebody's FENCE theory, hoping to keep "cockroaches" away from our fair land.)

FWIW, Dreamz was a HORRIBLE m

FWIW, Dreamz was a HORRIBLE movie. Good premise (the American Idol spoof), great cast, but way too many elements that separately were mildly amusing, together a disaster.

A bit of an aside here, has

A bit of an aside here, has anyone noticed those ads (Citgo) offering fuel for home heating at 40% off from the wonderful peoples of Venezeula? Is this Chavez attempting to look good? Anyone have any comments on this?

DSG

I was going to purchase some,

I was going to purchase some, but it smelled of sulfer

http://sacredscoop.com

One way the Democrats manag

One way the Democrats managed to gain congressional power was not revealing what they really intended to do.

Charlie Rangel is back calling for reinstatement of the draft. On “Face the Nation” today Rangel said, "If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft." He also declared, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft. I think to do so is hypocritical." He said he would introduce legislation to start the draft anew in January 2007. (Hypocrite Charlie also introduce draft legislation in January 2003 just before the Iraq invasion then voted against his own legislation.)

How many Democrats might not have voted the way they did if they thought bringing back the draft was a goal of the Democrats? The Democrats lost a powerful political tool when they could no longer use the draft as a tool for political advantage. Charlie wants it back. He even wants to scare the public about Iran and N. Korea too.

AP is spinning this story t

AP is spinning this story to make Rangel look better too. They had this quote in their release. "In 2003, he proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress." What they didn't bother to point out was how many democrats voted against it, or even more importantly that Rangel himself voted against it. Can't believe this hasn't become it's own post here. But with so much blatent bias in the media, I guess it is hard to keep up.

Bring on the DRAFT!!!

How many times did we have to listen to the democrats tell us that President Bush wanted to institute the draft if he got re-elected in 2004? Now, on Face the Nation, Charlie Rangel announces he is going to submit legislation to institute the draft.

Please make sure your train of thought carries freight.

I'm shocked... SHOCKED!

Rangel is introducing the draft, eh?  Surprise!  Not.  The outcome of these elections is one giant slap in the face to our military, which deserves far, far better.

I read an AP article about

I read an AP article about Charlie and the draft. What I found funny was how they mentioned he had put forth a draft bill before and how it was defeated by the republican controled house, but they didn't mention that pretty much everyone including Charlie himself voted against it.

I think the turnout had somet

I think the turnout had something to do with it. My numbers might be off but I think in Virginia the turnout was something like 50% state wide. Nationally I think I saw a report that stated national turnout 40%(I will admit not quite sure the last google search only netted election results from 1960's to 2004.) Moderates went left and some conservatives stayed home. Rush called them cut and run conservatives.  I am not sure how 08 is going to go either especially since the same leadership is in the GOP minority as in the GOP majority.

Triangulation on the gun vote

Triangulation on the gun vote....Tester,Casey,Webb all pro gun.Several house candidates also pro gun.Angry pro gun independents vote Democrat.Nonpolitical gun owners don't see the the threat to gun ownership from Democrat majorities and stay home on election day.Gun owners punish(rightly so) anti gun Republicans like Dewine and Chafee and don't vote.A few thousand gun votes usually given to Republicans go elswhere and at the least-Burns gone...Allen gone...Republican senate majority...gone.

The key to the draft question

The key to the draft question is that currently the military is about 83% conservative according to the best available polls.

Why do the liberals wish to reintroduce the draft?  So that in 20 years in a whole host of possibly tight congressional races they will have a potential of a candidate saying "I am a veteran."

As it stands now, a conservative candiate in 2026 will be able to say "I was a company commander/Platoon leader/ Squad leader in Fallujah/Najaf/ Al Anbar."

what can the current Democrat candidate in 2026 say?  "I was a Code Pink demonstrator harrassing wounded soldiers at Walter Reed Army Hospital."

THAT is why the dems want a draft....  To get their own credibility back, forcibly, on their seed corn....

Election Stuff

"How have Democrats managed to gain congressional power in states that reliably vote Republican in presidential elections?"

The proverbial double-edged sword - The US mainland hasn't been attacked again since 911.

I keep seeing Bush's name popping up on this thread, so my response to the above question will center around W as well.  Obviously most have forgotten how they felt about W upon hearing the news on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.   Allow me to assist; ''Thank God Bush is our President.''  Fast forward 5 years later and that sentiment has all but dissappeared.  This sentiment would be understandable if America had endured even just one more 911 since the last and felt as though Bush had let America down, but that's not the case. 

Which takes us back to the double-edged sword.  It's a blessing and indication of the competence of this Administration coupled with the seriousness which this Administration takes the Islamic/terrorist threat that we haven't been hit again in the US.  Flip that argument over and the Isamic/terrorist threat becomes a less pressing issue on the voters mind just because we haven't been hit again in five years.  If the terrorists want to kill us - big problem. If the terrorists want to kill Iraqis - no problem.  What seems to be missing from this equasion is that the terrorists haven't lost their desire to kill us anymore than they have lost their desire to kill Iraqis, Afghanis or any other group that gets in their way.  However thanks (or as pertains to this thread thanklessly)  to W, they have lost their capability......so far.  So as more and more uneventful days pass by America has become less and less interested in the fight.  It is not so much a cut and run point of view as one of what is the point?  The point has been lost in time. 

None the less the threat is still present, it just hasn't reared it's ugly head in five years.  So, America would like to "move on".   But this President will not, nor should he.  A person of lesser character would.  Most of us would like to be liked by everybody.  But not THIS President.  This President places getting the job done above winning over world (mostly Muslim) opinion poll.  But that is what the political process has become.  So while most of America wants to "move on" from this annoying war on terror thingy, daily motivated by the estab media that hammers this or that must be done by the President for whatever fashionable reason, the President's character which drives his commitment to follow through in his position as Commander in Chief will not allow him.  This peculiar predicament for Bush has somehow been translated into Bush being a failure rather than this being a failure of the terrorists or as a failure of the American will.

Certainly there are other factors why historically Republican-held districts voted the way they did.  With that in mind, this observer is reluctant to focus so much of the attention at Bush but W seems to be the favorite culprit in this thread.

Based on this commentor's gratitude for having a President that is willing to sacrifice his own popularity to pursue this mortal enemy of America and the rest of the developed world I am compelled to defend this great man George W Bush.  Particularly in light of the fact that after almost 35 years of the world effectively doing nothing to restrain the terrorist threat, which in turn emboldened this enemy, got us to the point we are today.  George Bush did not seek this fight.  This fight was pretty much avoided untill finally passed down the line to him.  I am not basing my opinion of W based on his level of mastering the english language or any other shallow concept but just for the same reasons everyone else on 911 without exception did.  They felt like America once again had an Executive Branch of Government that had committed as the first order of the day to protect them and their families. An Administration that would not only defend Americans but put an end to this terrorism nonsense once and for all.

But five years later that appears not to be.  It seems America, at least for the time being, has decided terrorists should have the same rights as you and I. America has made it clear that it is OK for some grandparents to eavesdrop on a private phone call between Newt and a colleague discussing political strategy but it is just wrong to listen to OBL give the day and time of the next American target to some Islmamic sleeper cell.  America is willing to call in the Calvary before the job is done.

It is not Bush that has wavered and become impatient.  It is an American public that being far-removed from the mahem witnessed 5 long years ago that has wavered and become impatient.  Bush continuosly cautioned America of this possibility from the very start.  It seems it was to no avail.  America preferred to listen to smooth talking pundits with a political ax to grind and Democrat candidates with a plan that only consisted of telling America how bad Bush is for America.

Still, this commentor is grateful that we have a President that would put his convictions of protecting me and my family above his personal power.  For that he has my unyielding support and gratitude....even if he doesn't pronounce words exactly like I do.  I only wish the President had had a Congress of individuals with like-minded resolve on both sides of the aisle, then I truly believe this President could have gotten a lot more conservative legislation passed and the election results could have turned out differently.  Even if that were the case I woud have still been somewhat skeptical the elections would have turned out differently having observed the anti-Bush shock and awe delivered these last few years by the estab media.  A different electoral result would have demanded an electorate with like-minded resolve as this Administration as well.

Possibly when a future President with the golden tongue, the perfect hair, supported by a door-to-door salesman Type A personality capable of selling America their latest line of crap turns his/her back on the terrorist threat and America is hit again America will join me in realizing just how fortunate America is/was to have/had a man with the character and fortitude of George W Bush during these monumental times of World-impacting cultural change.

Acumen - GW Bush

Acumen  - GW Bush.  Well said. He had to make the decision and because a namby-pamby group of Americans are unhappy with the tough turns that have happened in Iraq, they turned their backs on him. I have seen a lot of things Pres Bush has done that I felt was not the best thing to do or the best time to do it. I still stand with him on the WOT. He has kept us safe!

The guys Mark is visiting sho

The guys Mark is visiting should have a comment or two, when it comes to the WOT - like to hear what they would say.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad

Dell Computers / India

Dell Computers is moving more jobs to India.

Charming.

I had the third motherboard replaced in my six month old Dell Latitude laptop yesterday.

Hmmm.....as Spiff would say, "It's a Dell, Dude".

"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.

Dell quality slipping?

Are Dells going downhill lately?  Mine is approaching 5 years old, and I've never had a problem with my Dell's hardware.

Ya' gotta go Apple! My iBook

Ya' gotta go Apple! My iBook has had zero problems.

HP

Ya gotta go HP.  I have a HP PC and a laptop...and a printer and a flatbed scanner. 

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."  -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

Unsane, agreed. I love HP pro

Unsane, agreed. I love HP products. I still have my HP-11C calculator from 1982. It still works perfectly. The thing is indestructable.

Puh

HP makes great printers... and I'll leave it at that.


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Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Never had hardware problems,

Never had hardware problems, Compaq, Apple, now an e-Machine. Have had bad software cliches, and my daughter laptop was really infected, but repaired. Way back in the stone age, watched smoke come out of an old Mac 512, cooked power supply - for you newbies, I once had a smoken Mac, had something like 512 mem, with, wait for it, a 10 meg EXTERNAL drive. That's right, dirt came after I was born.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad

I might have you beat! Still

I might have you beat! Still have a Macintosh PowerBook 100 with something like 2MB memory, that came with an external floppy disk drive. No drives built in!

Still have the hand truck to

Still have the hand truck to "carry" it?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad

Bal

And it works?  LOL.

Keep it out of the landfill....it may be a collectors' item some day.

My first PC was an IBM with dual 5 1/2" floppys.  Word Perfect ran off of one floppy.  Wow....ancient history!  LOL.

"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.

Heh my first PC was an Amiga.

Heh my first PC was an Amiga. it was a powerhouse too with 1 meg ram:)

  Commodore 64 here. I wish

  Commodore 64 here. I wish I had kept it, it's worth a fortune now LOL

Please make sure your train of thought carries freight.

Anyone here ever work on a TR

Anyone here ever work on a TRS-80 from Radio Shack?

Yeah, Bal.  Way back when I

Yeah, Bal.  Way back when I had a printer who had one....I used to do my own typesetting on it to save money.   I can't remember whether it had a green phosphor or an amber monitor.  Lots of carats, though>>>>>>>>>

What a riot!

"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.

Old computers contest

I'm afraid I'll have to declare victory. I helped my friends Dad move a few years back, he was also my HS computer teacher, and I have a 3'x2'x1' wire plug computer in a wooden case issued by Artisan Electronics Corporation, a

                                 NORDAC II

Sporty

You Win!!!!

This has been an odd, but interesting, conversation.

And I was just p.o.'d about the third repair in six months with my brand new stupid laptop.  ;-)

"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.

lol- maybe it isn't really a computer

lol- maybe it isn't really a computer(flashing red lights), this Nordac, not your Dell.

Which model Blonde, may I ask, so I know what everyone should avoid. ( you know computer model lemons happen - compaq had some real lemons a while back )

Here I'll start , I have an IBM thinkpad 366mhz pentium2 with a 10gig HD, built in 4 meg video, 192 ram, mic, spkrs,8x cdrom, and 14" color lcd, builtin modem, wireless card addon, and 10/100 pcmcia lancard. It has infrared port and some other ports not sure what they are, and a docking thing on the back I never use.

It sometimes glitches firing it up - some motherboard error, but a few mouse clicks and a reboot and it comes on fine. It survived Iraq. ;-)

Oh yeah, I received one of t

Oh yeah, I received one of those for a Christmas present once, too.

Odd topic....kinda fun for a Sunday evening, tho.

"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.

Meh

My old man has an Apple II+ still in his basement, I believe, from back in the day... If I recall correctly, no HD, nothing really except a 5.25 FD and lots of beeps. Oh yeah, and the green/black monitor.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

nk, bal, FastEd

To quote bal...."just sayin'"....;-)

I have no clue....this Dell laptop has been a POS from the get-go (work computer).

OTOH, my personal computer (Dell Desktop) has been humming along perfectly well for two years.

I hear the Apple thing, though, from alot of people.  So maybe next time I need a personal computer....that's the way I'll go.

Slightly off topic, but how on earth did we function without computers?  I'm more attached to my laptop than my cell-phone.   I was furious when it crapped out again.  It's so inconvenient!!!!!

"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.

I just knew bal had an applemac

I just knew bal had an applemac.

You can just smell the rebel liberal in most of those mac owners- plus you can be an idiot and run them. (haha ! )

going to my room happily !

Response

juvenile and silly response.

Grow up !

Ahh, the ChilDRen have come out to play

Ahh, the ChilDRen have come out to play, and as always, happy to be a fool while attempting to call one out !

Good job loser, hope the rock wasn't to heavy.

Response

The nuts are already here .

CRD

Sheesh, Girlfriend....

You are sounding like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz.

The "Recent Comments" list looks like you're weeping all over it.

Response.

Response.

Response.

Oh, me, oh my.

Try holding your breath, or breathing into a paper bag for those hiccups there, little sister.

"I would also say that despair is not a method." ~Gen. John P. Abizaid, CENTCOM, in response to an idiotic, grand-standing statement by Hillary Clinton.

Don't have much to say, do yo

Don't have much to say, do you?

Never relent.

Even worse

The worst part about it, is that CRD even neglected to read the statement in its entirety, and recognize, it was a joke toward Balboa, with no reference to CRD, in addition to the fact that you were saying any trained monkey can use a Mac (which is true, I might add).


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Is it a full moon tonight or something?

Is it a full moon tonight or something?

All we're missing is LibertyOrMeds explaining to us his (her?) latest screwball theory.

Dunno', but...

It might have something to do with the meteor shower that was to take place last night. Perhaps some dust has caused something to go seriously wrong...


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"