Ad Council Uses Children in Horrific Global Warming Commercials

Photo of Noel Sheppard.

Since 1942, the Ad Council has been creating important public service announcements that have ranged from Smokey Bear's "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires," The Crash Test Dummies, McGruff the Crime Dog, "A Mind is a Terrible Thing To Waste," and "Friends Don't Let Friends Drive Drunk."

Sadly, this non-profit organization has not only decided to take on the most recent liberal bogeyman known as anthropogenic global warming, but do so by using young children.

In the ad embedded to the right, a young girl is actually about to be hit by a train to disgracefully demonstrate that our inaction today will kill our children tomorrow. In another, kids imitate ticking clocks as they list the predicted climate change horrors of massive heat waves, severe droughts, and devastating hurricanes:

 

I don't know about you, but irrespective of my position on this issue, I find using children in this fashion to be indefensible and way over the line of decency.

How 'bout you?


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  The alarmists know their

  The alarmists know their scientific argument is weak plus the weather is cooling so they are going for the emotions. 

NS

I'm in complete agreement..."indefensible and way over the line of decency.

However, it's not surprising in the least.  They do it all the time for whatever cause.

(Fill in the blank)...is for the children.  Totally unoriginal.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde

Blonde,

That train commercial is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my life. I almost couldn't breath the first time I saw it. These folks should be ashamed of themselves. ns

True, Noel

Disgusting and utterly tasteless.

If you think about it though, it shows how desperate the warming worshipers have become.

I think we need to raise a hue and cry to make them apologize for traumatizing us all with their vile propaganda (I'd love to have a little kid so as to have a cause of action, I'd love to sue them, too). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

  This train ad is a

  This train ad is a variation of the 'Daisy Girl' ad LBJ ran against Goldwater in 1964.

Like I said....

Totally unoriginal. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

At least my children get it...

My 16 yr old son watched the ticking commercial a few weeks back. His response? He looked right at me, started to say "tick, tick tick"...Wondering what he was up to, I asked him if he agreed that we face global calamity...He said, dead pan, "No, just waiting for your head to explode."

Then he turned the TV to the Military Channel, settled down with a bag of microwave popcorn and his i-phone (he says the i-phone is his only tribute to "hippyness"), and thought nothing more of global warming that day. I love that kid...

"All great change in America begins at the dinner table" Ronald Reagan, Jan 21, 1981

A proud liberal moment

So son, what did you learn today?

Well, dad, I learned that since you deny there is global warming, you want all children dead.

That's insane! Where did you learn that?

Tick, tick, tick daddy. It's true! You want the train to run me over! We need 'change!' Waaaaaaaa!

the fear factor

Using fear, re: family safety/security is threatened by terrorists and radical organizations - BAD

Using fear, re: social security WILL run out of money, so the government NEEDS to change the program - BAD

Using fear, re: children will suffer catastrophes caused by the inaction of 'climate realists' - Oh, that's perfectly acceptable (and encouraged)

What hypocrisy. Can you imagine the outcry if an ad showed children talking about an imminent terrorist attack and being frightened for their safety?

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944

The Libs have no scruples

The Libs have no scruples about using children to further their agenda. They started way back when, sending kids home from school to cry and scream at their parents about smoking, then about pollution (before it became AGW), and then about recycling.

(Where I live, we even have radio ads done by moppets about work zones on the highway...a little squeaky voice spleading "Slow Down!! My Mommy works there!!")

Anyone who doesn't agree with them just doesn't care about the children....they want kids to live in a filthy polluted world and die of poison!

They are shameless.

When that silly "tick tick"

When that silly "tick tick" commercial comes on- Have to change the channel. 

 

As Al Gore Said......... " They play on our fearrrrrrrrrrrrssssssssssssssssssssss"  lol

 

friggin idiots.

waiting for the pastor to appear on these commercials

the chickenzzzzzzz. . . . zzza. . . . have come hommmmmm. . . . . . . . . .zaaa . . . . . . . . . to . . . roooooooooosssst . . . . . .za. . . . . .

This is Democrat politics at it's best (or worst)

This is exactly the same way Democrats play politics on every issue.  I doubt they know how to do it any differently.

Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.

PSA's supplement what kids get in school

Why be surprised by PSA's that target kids?  They're getting the long-form version in school.  Kids aren't so much taught as indoctrinated these days. 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

I'll do my own ad. Tick .

I'll do my own ad.

Tick . . .

Tick . . .

Tick . . .

Islamofascism.

Tick . . .

Barack Obama.

Tick . . .

Another Clinton.

Tick . . .

Nanny state.

Tick . . .

Congress.

Tick . . .

Illegals.

Tick . . .

Help keep America strong, vote Republican.

Tick . . .

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

DFTT

Excellent!

 

Tick.

Inflation.

Tick...(due mainly to too much)

SPENDING.
JMR

PS Bear Stearns wasn't a "rescue." It's socialism.

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

This commercial has been around awhile

Saw it on one of the network channels.  I've only seen it once before now.  Didn't work then and it won't work now.

Re-Post

I posted this yesterday in another thread and thought I should re-post it again for a little humor..

I was picking up my daughter from a canceled
soccer tryout due to, "to much snow on the field" last Monday.

That's when the topic of global warming came up.

Equal coverage!
March 14, 2008 - 15:42 ET by GForce

I just went thru this with my 15 year old daughters "Global
Issues" teacher.

I found out last Monday that this guy was showing the
students "An Inconvenient Truth" while discussing man made global warming without any opposing view point.

I wrote and email stating, "This type of indoctrination
imposed on our children without any opposing view is uncalled for and action
shall be taken if this is the case."

Along with the email I sent him links to some great
material that blows holes in Pope Algores flick.

This is a public school folks!

I also wrote, "Please understand that I believe everyone is
entitled to their own opinion. However indoctrination and bias opinions taught
to our children as "fact" in the public school system warrants every parents
concern."

He never responded back but Wednesday we had the semesters
parent teacher conferences. HeeHeeHee

FYI, my daughter is a straight "A" student and involved in
almost every sport including band.

Needless to say he was a little taken back by my presents
when I introduced myself.

Mr. Adams and his student teacher admitted that they had
not planned on showing any opposing views but that the kids do have an
opportunity to bring "something in".

I said, "BULL SH!T".

It's HIS job and responsibility as a publicly paid school
teacher to provide that information. However, I did tell him that I would provide
100 minutes worth of opposition video and that I (as a tax paying citizen)
expect him to show it to his class.

He agreed without any hesitation. I seriously believed he
was shaking in his boots afraid that I would bring this to the school board or
Bill O'Reilly.

So get this.

He then begins telling me how he's not a Democrat but a
Liberal, and that he does not impose his politics on his students. Yea right! I
thought. He continues saying that he rides his bike to work to save fuel,
changed all his light bulbs to CFL's and some other BS he does to "save the
environment".

I'm looking at this guy and he's tan as hell! We live
in Michigan!

So to be guilt free for using up power in the tanning
booth the lighting in his house sucks. LOL!!

My closing statement as I was shaking his
hand.........

 

THE DEBATE IS NOT OVER!

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"-Aristotle

Good work! You may want

Good work!

You may want to hit him with some of this (Global Warming Dissent) too!

 

Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!

Or with the works of Marcel

Or with the works of Marcel Leroux and the other scientists who disagree with Al Gorleone.

Murrow turning over in his grave
Murrow turning over in his grave
Ed Murrow had a child and the damn thing went wild
- Lindsey Buckingham

GForce... I had a similar

GForce...

I had a similar incident when I recently attended parent/teacher night for my Granddaughters 7th grade classes. As I walked from one class to another I noticed student art work and posters lining the hallway proclaiming the impending doom from global warming. I asked the Science teacher if she had anything to do with it and she stated 'no'. She said that the posters and art work was a project started by a 6th grade English teacher. Being she was not my Granddaughetrs teacher I had a talk with the principle, but we kept getting interrupted so I have an appointment to sit down and discuss this issue on the 19th of this month. I'm looking forward to our discussion.

"Abstain from McCain"

Excellent and Some Global Warming Material

This is exactly what every parent needs to start doing since Al Gore's movie is not a science film since he is no scientist but a politician with a B.A. in Government.

Since kids have a short attention span, the best one is the 20/20 Special since they cannot argue about showing something from ABC News or 20/20 would be Republican or Conservative Biased:

20/20: The Debate is Not Over (Video) (8min)

The best direct counter to An Inconvenient Truth is The Great Global Warming Swindle which is filled with real scientists instead of just Al Gore.

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Video) (1hr 14min)

Eigil Friis-Christensen - Ph.D. Geophysics, Director of the Danish National Space Center
Ian D. Clark - Ph.D. Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
John R. Christy, Ph.D. Atmospheric Sciences, Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Nir J. Shaviv - Ph.D. Astrophysicis, Professor of Physics, University of Jerusalem
Patrick Michaels - Ph.D. Ecological Climatology, Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia
Patrick Moore - B.Sc. Forest Biology, Ph.D. Ecology, Co-founder of Greenpeace
Paul Driessen - B.A. Geology and Field Ecology
Paul Reiter - Professor of Medical Entomology, Pasteur Institute, Paris
Philip Stott - Professor Emeritus of Biogeography, University of London
Piers Corbyn - B.Sc Physics, M.Sc Astrophysics, Weather Forecaster for Weather Action
Richard Lindzen - Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, M.I.T.
S. Fred Singer - Ph.D. Physics, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia
Syun-Ichi Akasofu - Ph.D. Geophysics, Professor and Director of the International Arctic Research Center
Timothy (Tim) F. Ball - Ph.D. Geography - Historical Climatology, Head of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project
Roy Spencer - Ph.D. Meteorology, U.S. Science Team leader at NASA
Carl Wunsch - Ph.D. Professor of Oceanography, M.I.T.

You can get all the other material you need here: The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Your website

PT,

I sent my daughters teacher a link to your website
where he was able to see the material (video). He was asking about the video on
DVD.

So I'm personally purchasing the $20 video "The
Great Global Warming Swindle" DVD ( http://store.demanddebate.com/ ) for
his class and currently seeking the 20/20 episode in a high quality or DVD
format.

 

Thanks!

Glen


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"-Aristotle

Good Idea - DVD Purchase Links

I added the purchase linke for these:

The Great Global Warming Swindle (DVD - $19.99)

20/20: Give Me a Break: Global Warming (10/19/07) (DVD - $29.95)

Unfortunately for the 20/20 Episode you have to buy the complete show even though that piece is only 8 minutes long.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

On the other hand, Stossel

On the other hand, Stossel has a pretty poor track record for accuracy and obvious bias.

Looking at what is available at NASA, IPCC, etc and attempting to compare it to what is on the 'skeptic' side, is about the same as trying to use intelligent design as an alternative theory to evolution.

Do they deserve equal time? No; there's not enough science in those arguments to justify it. And if you remember, Dover and the British courts have gone over both already.

And, everyone has the right to express their concerns about their perceptions of what is presented at school. So there could be as many parents asking why skeptic stuff is taking up valuable time.

So there could be as many

So there could be as many parents asking why skeptic stuff is taking up valuable time.

  Oh, I don't know.  Maybe because global warming has dissappeared.  It's been colder with more snow around the world for a whole year. The only place to find global warming now is in the minds of 'true believers'. 

reminder - in case you missed it in your links

Weather isn't Climate - a month's data isn't the same as 30 years of data.

Weather isn't Climate - a

Weather isn't Climate - a month's data isn't the same as 30 years of data.

   Yes but out in the real world there is no global warming.  The temperatures may warm again.  Then again maybe not.  But the only place global warming exists right now is on the computers of the esteemed global warming alarmists.

This is not a weather report

This is a comparison to more then 30 years worth of data so yes it represents the current "climate" trend.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

one month per year

It is a comparison of one month per year, not looking at climate trends.
Fairly typical of the cherry-picking to prove a point practices of the, at best, skeptic camp.
And notice from your Science Daily link is the article:
2007 Was Tenth Warmest For U.S., Fifth Warmest Worldwide

other links for your files

http://www.ncdc.noaa...

"

" http://www.ncdc.noaa...

 

"Based on historical records and other evidence, the rate at which the
glaciers are melting is also thought to be faster that at any time in
the past 5,000 years, said Professor Wilfried Haeberli, director of the
monitoring service. 'There's no absolute proof, but nevertheless the
evidence is strong: this is really extraordinary.'" http://www.guardian....

 

"He said that Duke Energy was the third largest emitter of carbon in the
United States and the twelfth in the world -- and if considered an
independent nation, Duke Energy would be 41st in the world -- so carbon
emissions is a huge issue for him and his firm and wants to turn that
around." http://www.thewashin...

 

"They hired R&R Partners,
a public relations company with an office in Salt Lake City that was
behind the popular "What Happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas" slogan, to
develop a $35 million campaign. Its aim is to influence people to think
of coal as a cost-efficient source of electricity rather than one of
the culprits behind global warming - and to keep coal central to
discussions about the country's energy future.
" http://www.sltrib.co...

 

 

Spare us Giles

There's no absolute proof, but nevertheless the
evidence is strong: this is really extraordinary

You want extraordinary?

Glaciers - They just keep growing, and growing . . .

  1. Icecap.us - Southern Hemisphere Ice Cover Remains Well Above Normal
  2. Antarctic Ice Growing (USA Today)
  3. Mount Shasta Glacier are Growing: CBS13 - Mount Shasta Glaciers Defy Global Warming, Grow
  4. Hubbard Glacier is Growing: USGS - Hubbard Glacier, Alaska
  5. Glacier growing in Karakoram Range: JAXA - Glaciers in the Eastern Karakoram Range


PopularTech's Glacier Links:

  1. Greenland - Deep Freeze in Western Greenland (2008) (Sermitsiaq, Greenland)

  2. Greenland - ERS altimeter survey shows growth of Greenland Ice Sheet interior (ESA - European Space Agency)

  3. Greenland - Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests; Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable (Science Daily)

  4. Greenland - Greenland's Glaciers Have Been Receding for 100 Years (University of Aarhus, Denmark)

  5. Greenland - Greenland’s Glaciers Take a Breather (The New York Times)

  6. Greenland - Greenland Ice Sheet Changes Are Normal; No Evidence Of Long-Term Climate Changes (Science Daily)

  7. Greenland - Greenland Temperatures Coldest in 60 Years (The Heartland Institute)

  8. Greenland - Is Greenland really melting? (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)

  9. Greenland - Latest Scientific Studies Refute Fears of Greenland Melt (US Senate Environment & Public Works Committee)

  10. Greenland - Letter to the Editor: Greenland Ice Gain Since World War II (The Heartland Institute)

  11. Greenland - Recent cooling in coastal southern Greenland and relation with the North Atlantic Oscillation (American Geophysical Union)

  12. Greenland - Study Shows Greenland’s Ice Growing (CO2 Science)

  13. Greenland - The Cold Truth about Greenland (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)

  14. Greenland - Dramatic Ice loss in the Greenland seas in 1817 (A History of the Royal Society Archive)

  15. Greenland - Current Melting of Greenland's Ice Mimics 1920s-1940s Event (Science Daily)

  16. Greenland - Heat From Earth's Magma Contributing To Melting Of Greenland Ice (Science Daily)

  17. Greenland - Magma may be melting Greenland Ice (MSNBC)

  18. Arctic - Arctic Winter Ice 1979-2006 (Animation) (NASA)
  19. Arctic - Arctic Atmosphere Very Clean This Year (2007) (Science Daily)
  20. Arctic - Arctic Ocean Circulation Does An About-Face (Science Daily)
  21. Arctic - Arctic Sea Ice Re-Freezing at Record Pace (The Daily Green)
  22. Arctic - Dirty Snow May Warm Arctic As Much As Greenhouse Gases (Science Daily)
  23. Arctic - North Atlantic Warming Tied To Natural Variability (Science Daily)
  24. Arctic - Reports of Record Arctic Ice Melt Disgracefully Ignore History (NewsBusters)
  25. Arctic - Scary Arctic Ice Loss? Blame the Wind (Science)
  26. Arctic - Winds, Ice Motion Root Cause Of Decline In Sea Ice, Not Warmer Temperatures (Science Daily)

 

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Look at the graphs you

Look at the graphs you linked to. Even with the horrible state of records you see a period of cooling since about 1998. All while CO2 continues to grow.

After assuring everyone that the models had everything accounted for, apparently they didn't account for LaNina.

While you whine about LaNina. You ignore that we've been in the warm phase of thr PDO since the late 1970's which is a 25-30 year cycle. There have been how many el ninos since 1998 alone? 3 was it?

We had a false switch to a cool PDO after the super el nino of 98. That didn't help you guys. The question. Is this the true switch of the PDO or a brief shift? If this is a true shift? We'll shift to a LaNina dominant climate. Cold.

Apparently your prescious models have problems with minor things like the oceans.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

" horrible state of

" horrible state of records" Meaning what?

But long term trends still move up. It is only by looking for what you want to find that you are seeing a cooling period

So, maybe wishing for 'prescious' graphs on suspect sites to be definitive proofs against AGW isn't your best option.

" It is only by looking

" It is only by looking for what you want to find that you are seeing a cooling period". You mean like seeing warming when it's been cooling for about 10 years. Yep seeing warming because you want to see it.

You really don't understand what your looking at do you?

Still nothing?

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Giles Answer these questions

1. Is Al Gore a Scientist?

2. Do Scientists give the global warming presentation in Al Gore's movie?

If the answer is no to these then it has no business being shown to children in school as a scientific presentation of Global Warming.

There are many reasons not to show Al Gore's movie:


Al Gore's climate change film 'is propaganda' (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
UK Court finds 9 Inaccuracies in Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth (The New Party, UK)
- Al Gore's 'nine Inconvenient Untruths' (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
- Al Gore told there are nine inconvenient truths in his film (The Times, UK)
- An Inconvenient Lie (WorldNetDaily)
- Gore caught lying (WorldNetDaily)
- Gore’s Nine Lies (FrontPage Magazine)
- Judge attacks nine errors in Al Gore's 'alarmist' climate change film (Daily Mail, UK)
Schools must warn of Gore climate film bias (Daily Mail, UK)
- British Schools Ordered to Offer 'Balance' When Showing Al Gore's Global Warming Film (FOXNews)
35 Inconvenient Truths (Science and Public Policy Institute)
25 Inconvenient Truths for Al Gore (The National Review Online)
23 Scientific Errors (Science and Public Policy Institute)
20 More inaccuracies (PDF) (UKPRwire)
16 Errors in Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth (Science and Public Policy Institute)
6 Inconvenient Truths Indeed (Robert C. Balling, Ph.D. Geography)

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

The 'Errors'

Which is how the judge wrote it - with inverted commas..... 

The actual guidance notes for showing AIT is @ http://www.teacherne...

"Teaching staff will be aware that a minority of scientists disagree with the central thesis that
climate change over the past half-century is mainly attributable to man-made greenhouse gases.
However, the High Court has made clear the law does not require teaching staff to adopt a position of neutrality between views which accord with the great majority of scientific opinion
and those which do not."

 

Friends of the Earth have a short paper about the court findings

http://www.foe.co.uk...

And the actual decision, which isn't that hard a read, is @ http://www.bailii.or...

""The position is that the central scientific theme of Al Gore's Film
is now accepted by the overwhelming majority of the world's scientific
community. That consensus is reflected in the recent report of the
IPCC. The role of the IPCC is to assess on a comprehensive, objective,
open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic
information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of
human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options and
adaptation and mitigation. Hundreds of experts from all over the world
contribute to the preparation of IPCC reports, including the Working
Group I report on Climate Change 2007: The physical Science basis of
climate change, published on 2 February 2007 and the most recent
Mitigation of Climate Change, the Summary for Policy-makers published
by Working Group III on 4 May 2007. A copy of both documents are
annexed to the Witness Statement of Dr Peter Stott. The weight of
scientific evidence set out by the IPCC confirms that most of the
global average warming over the last 50 years is now regarded as "very
likely" to be attributable to man-made greenhouse gas emissions
.""

GW,

 

The United Kingdom court ruling smacking down Al Gore's "An
Inconvenient Truth" as shameless political fantasy unfit for
schoolchildren elicited an interesting reaction from the former vice
president.

Did he challenge the court's findings?

No.

Did he provide new evidence to bolster his case for any of the specific findings of falsehood and exaggeration by the court?

No.

Did he argue that the court itself was corrupt or incapable of understanding the "science" behind his film?

No.

He didn't do any of those things.

Instead, what Al Gore did was to make scurrilous and
unsubstantiated accusations about the concerned parent who brought the
case to court, at some personal sacrifice, to protect his child from
the mental abuse of being forced to watch "An Inconvenient Truth."

Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider questioned in a Washington Post
online blog whether Dimmock paid for his legal expenses himself or got
help from others. Since she could not determine the answer to this
question puzzling her, she determined that Dimmock's "motives are quite
suspect."

If this is not a case of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't think I've ever seen one.

The people who created and distributed this propaganda film
throughout the world are among the wealthiest and most powerful people
in the world. And here they are questioning the motives of one obscure
parent who battled, like David vs. Goliath, the national education
establishment in the United Kingdom and won!

This is the definition of "chutzpah" ? Tennessee-style.

(Column continues below)

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Interestingly, Gore himself has publicly said nothing about the
court case ? nothing! Apparently, he hopes you won't learn about it. He
hopes that by not commenting on it, the amazing story of one parent's
battle for truth and justice in the United Kingdom will not be heard
here in the United States. And, he may have something there.

This story had no legs whatsoever ? which is why I am writing about it two days in a row in this space.

A reputable court of law has heard the facts on "An Inconvenient Truth" and found it seriously wanting.
That court has determined the movie is unfit for viewing in public
schools in the UK without specific and explicit disclaimers explaining
that the assertions offered by Gore are not supported by science. And
the reaction in the U.S. is like nothing ever happened. The movie is
still being shown in classrooms from coast to coast. It is, besides
evolution, the very centerpiece of what passes for science education in
American schools today!

This raises some questions in my mind:

  • Why isn't Al Gore being hounded in all his public appearances to address this court ruling and its implications?
  • Why isn't he put on the spot in every venue to answer the specific findings of fact?
  • Since Al Gore won't comment nor dispute the court's
    findings, why aren't his acolytes in Hollywood and elsewhere, all those
    involved in the film and supporting it, being asked to take up the
    challenge?
  • Why aren't U.S. parents challenging the showing of this film in schools the way the UK parent-hero, Stuart Dimmock, did?
  • Is there not even one prominent school authority in
    America who is willing to re-examine his commitment to the educational
    value of this film in light of the UK court ruling?

h/t Joseph Farah

 

Iranian uranium; Iranian ICBM's; Iranian satellites..CHANGE is comming BELIEVE in that!

 

'errors'

'Knockdown' & 'unfit' are over the top for a description of the findings
of the court. I understand you need to attempt to save face in front of
your peers, but lying doesn't improve your argument.

Nor does a massive copy paste with out acknowledging where it came from. Think back to school; what happens when you try that?

 

 

following quotes from the decision (with my bolding) http://www.bailii.or...

 


"
The Film

  1. I turn to AIT, the film. The following is clear:
  2.  

    i) It is substantially founded upon scientific
    research and fact,
    albeit that the science is used, in the hands of a
    talented politician and communicator, to make a political statement and
    to support a political programme."

"The sceptical view

Teaching staff will be aware that a minority of scientists disagree with the central thesis that climate change over the past half-century is mainly attributable to man-made greenhouse gases. However, the High Court has made clear the law does not require teaching staff to adopt a position of neutrality between views which accord with the great majority of scientific opinion and those which do not [this was anticipatory of my decision].
"

Again Giles do you recognize the court's findings?

Giles do you recognize the court's findings or not? Do you agree that the following errors do not agree with the alleged 'consensus'?

  • The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government’s expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
  • The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
  • The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that it was “not possible” to attribute one-off events to global warming.
  • The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that this was not the case.
  • The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
  • The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant’s evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
  • The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
  • The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
  • The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.

Please answer the question and stop avoiding it. 

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actual court findings

I recognized and linked to the actual court findings. I'm not going to parse out your rewordings.

 

"

"The Film advances four main scientific
hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published
in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest
conclusions of the IPCC:

(1) global average temperatures have been
rising significantly over the past half century and are likely to
continue to rise ("climate change");

(2) climate change is mainly attributable to man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide ("greenhouse gases");

(3) climate change will, if unchecked, have significant adverse effects on the world and its populations; and

(4) there are measures which individuals and governments can take which will help to reduce climate change or mitigate its effects."

These propositions, Mr Chamberlain submits (and I accept), are
supported by a vast quantity of research published in peer-reviewed
journals worldwide and by the great majority of the world's climate
scientists. Ms Bramman explains, at paragraph 14 of her witness
statement, that:

"The position is that the central scientific
theme of Al Gore's Film is now accepted by the overwhelming majority of
the world's scientific community. That consensus is reflected in the
recent report of the IPCC. The role of the IPCC is to assess on a
comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific,
technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the
scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential
impacts and options and adaptation and mitigation. Hundreds of experts
from all over the world contribute to the preparation of IPCC reports,
including the Working Group I report on Climate Change 2007: The
physical Science basis of climate change, published on 2 February 2007
and the most recent Mitigation of Climate Change, the Summary for
Policy-makers published by Working Group III on 4 May 2007. A copy of
both documents are annexed to the Witness Statement of Dr Peter Stott.
The weight of scientific evidence set out by the IPCC confirms that
most of the global average warming over the last 50 years is now
regarded as "very likely" to be attributable to man-made greenhouse gas
emissions
."" http://www.bailii.or...

"On the October 15
edition of Fox News' Fox &
Friends
, co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed there was a "British study
that said [there were] nine major flaws in Al Gore's theory." In fact, the High
Court ruling was not a "study," and the
ruling did not find any "major flaws in Al Gore's theory" that humans have
significantly contributed to global warming. In addition to Kilmeade's claim,
numerous media outlets reported that the
judge found nine errors in the film but ignored
the judge's finding that
An
Inconvenient Truth
is "broadly accurate" and
"substantially founded upon scientific research and fact."" http://mediamatters....

 

Giles Answer the Question

Giles stop being dishonest and avoiding the question. The court document lists the 9 errors clearly.

Do you agree that the court found those errors in violation of the alleged 'consensus' or not?

Yes or No

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Scientific Inaccuracies in An Inconvenient Truth

Giles, see the problem with you is you are dishonest and willing to do anything to promote your alarmism. The UK Court ruled the following were not within the mainstream 'consensus' - which doesn't exist BTW but for the sake of the argument, the following were found to be inaccurate:

  • The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government’s expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
  • The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
  • The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that it was “not possible” to attribute one-off events to global warming.
  • The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that this was not the case.
  • The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
  • The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant’s evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
  • The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
  • The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
  • The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.

Giles do you agree that these do not agree with the alleged 'consensus'?

You have also failed to answer my other questions:

1. Is Al Gore a Scientist?

2. Do Scientists give the global warming presentation in Al Gore's movie?

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From the Dimmock case findings

"These propositions, Mr Chamberlain submits (and I accept), are
supported by a vast quantity of research published in peer-reviewed
journals worldwide and by the great majority of the world's climate
scientists
. Ms Bramman explains, at paragraph 14 of her witness
statement, that:

"The position is that the central scientific
theme of Al Gore's Film is now accepted by the overwhelming majority of
the world's scientific community.
That consensus is reflected in the
recent report of the IPCC. The role of the IPCC is to assess on a
comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific,
technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the
scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential
impacts and options and adaptation and mitigation. Hundreds of experts
from all over the world contribute to the preparation of IPCC reports,
including the Working Group I report on Climate Change 2007: The
physical Science basis of climate change, published on 2 February 2007
and the most recent Mitigation of Climate Change, the Summary for
Policy-makers published by Working Group III on 4 May 2007. A copy of
both documents are annexed to the Witness Statement of Dr Peter Stott.
The weight of scientific evidence set out by the IPCC confirms that
most of the global average warming over the last 50 years is now
regarded as "very likely" to be attributable to man-made greenhouse gas
emissions
.""

Errors are listed as 'errors' in the findings - and discussed.

 

  1. I have no doubt that Dr Stott, the Defendant's expert, is right when he says that:
  2.  

    "Al Gore's presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change in the film was broadly accurate."

    Mr Downes does not agree with this, but to some extent this is
    because the views of the Claimant's expert, Professor Carter, do not
    accord with those of Dr Stott, and indeed are said by Dr Stott in
    certain respects not to accord with the IPCC report."

     

     

1 - attempt at rhetorical question?

2. I don't know, why are you assuming I've watched it? - I'm guessing you are attempting a setup for some point of one of your arguments, so again, perhaps this is a rhetorical question. But I imagine a qualified scientist would have the best information and research available to develop and create any needed presentation. And that Al Gore, as well as most any interested person of average intellegence can read and learn from the reports and studies.

Giles refuses to answer questions

If you did not watch the movie say so, though I find that very hard to believe.

1. Al Gore is not a scientist.

2. Scientist did not give the global warming presentation in Al Gore's Movie.

Thus it cannot be considered a scientific based movie.

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NASA? IPCC?

Let's see how good they are. Here we have the 1990 IPCC prediction. Seems they were wrong. Of course people can go back and adjust there original prediction to mirror what really happened after, at which point the truly faithful will sing praises. Hind site is wonderful.

I will also point out the differences between NASA (GISS) and the other 3 mesurement of temperture. UKMET and the two satellite measurements UAH and RSS.

Wonderful records we have there. And it doesn't even include  the last 2 months of cooling.

 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

I see that Giles has

I see that Giles has nothing to say about this.

The truth of this data always seems to silence them.   I just wish we could find an evangelist willing to distribute the truth the way Gore has distorted it.

The facts remain that the GW Alarmist community has still not proven there is anything to be alarmed about.  The effect of humans on the climate of this planet has been negligible and will remain so, provided humans refrain from all-out nuclear war.  Even in that event, there will be no significant warming caused by humans!

Giles and the rest of these mindless leftbots will have to find some other excuse to impose their socialist agenda on the people.

NL -- he just moves on to

NL -- he just moves on to posting more crap to bolster his weird views.

Now he'd have you beleve that wind power isn't the most subsidized energy source ever devised to take money from the poor so greedy "greens" can generate expensive energy.

It's shameful how rich, white, middle-class "greens" delight in making poor people pay more for what they need to live.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

mindless leftbots will have to find some other excuse to impose

Oh good, a conspiracy theory - that makes for reasonable debate. I think I'll just re-read some Heller or Pynchon.

 

Or you could go argue the science on a science site. It's been done here already; STML? Also, look through the links and comments at http://www.realclima...

 

 

"I just wish we could find an evangelist willing to distribute the truth... " There are plenty; and many well paid for their efforts

I see you didn't attempt to

I see you didn't attempt to debate anything that Danbo linked in his post.  In a debate, that is generally considered to be a concession of the point.

You haven't been willing to debate any science with me either.  Why is this?  Could it be that you really don't know any science?  This would be good for you.  It might even cure you of your AGW hallucinations.

Let's see how much you really understand about this hogwash the Alarmists are spreading.   Explain the functionality of IR radiation absorption with increasing concentration of the absorptive species in a gaseous medium.  This is simple science.  It has been around literally for centuries.  You should be able to find many decent explanations online.  Once you have a grasp of how this works, we xcan continue.  Alternatively, I will expalin the theory behind this.

NL I rest my case. Giles

NL I rest my case. Giles followed the modus operandi

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

explain why everyone else is wrong

Go ahead and explain why every scientist's study referenced in the IPCC reports has the science wrong.

Whilst you're at it, make sure to post your CV so we can see how you are more qualified than those scientists.

And you might want to notice that the site is 'newsbusters' so perhaps the science debates would be better suited on a science site. In fact, this particular thread was about children in advertising and has, yet again, become seriously derailed.

Actually, there are links to thorough discussion about the errors in your offered evidence on two of my replies.

 

 

hay Giles, let me fill in the blanks fro you OK

 

  • The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro
    evidence global warming. The Government’s expert was forced to concede
    that this is not correct.
  • Giles how does this sound? The snows are melting kuz the people that li