This weekend while returnig to Cochise County from Tucson, I came across a long haired fellow peddling a recumbant bicycle east of Benson on I-10 with a big sign on the back of the recumbant bicycle saying "Ron Paul for President."
I put two and two together and concluded the reason we had not heard from you lately was that you were on a round the county jaunt via bicycle.
I figured you were headed east for the New Mexico line.
What do we have to go on here? If it's the basic ability to put together a cogent thought in proper English, obviously Rooney wins. Other than that, what can possibly be our criteria?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
If your definition of putting together a proper cogent thought in Proper English off a teleprompter is your guide, I would say that there is no difference. Your jab at Bush is based on his difficulty articulating his thoughts while NOT reading off a teleprompter. First, difficulty articulating a response to a barrage of questions by a hostile media should not be misconstrued as someone being “smart” or “less smart”. Jeez. Isn’t this the same tired old liberal argument from 6 years ago when everyone was saying “BUSH IS DUMB” (before he was reelected that is). By the way, when was the last time you have seen Andy Rooney speaking without a teleprompter and responding to questions from a room full of people who overtly want him to fail? I suspect he would be a stumbling stuttering fool.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
At least Andy Rooney writes his own monologues. And unlike most of this site, I still have a certain respect for old-school journalists.
The first part of my post may have been a cheapshot joke (lord knows how NBers hate those!) but my point remains that we have very little to go on here. Bush simply does not come across as erudite or well-read or "smart", like, ever. As you point out, the circumstances under which he might have a chance to prove he is aren't exactly bent in his favor. But the fact that Bush is destroying Rooney in this poll just goes to show that people are voting based on ideology, not actual intelligence.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"But the fact that Bush is destroying Rooney in this poll just goes to show that people are voting based on ideology, not actual intelligence."
Do you KNOW the "actual intelligence" of Rooney vs Bush??? Have they squared off in a IQ contest that you somehow know about?
No? Then your statement is crap.
If you go by the difficulty of the job each person does and the required intelligence it's obvious that it would take more intelligence to be the president than a professional blowhard. (Which is good work if you can get it)...
And hmmm, who did you vote for? I'm merely pointing out that, like a high school student government election, this poll is predicated on popularity. Since Rooney mildly dissed Bush, people are running to Bush's defense.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Actually I did not respond to the question because I think it's basically pointless. As far as Rooney's mild 'dissing' of Bush, I wasn't aware of it, and I couldn't care less.
As to what my choice (if I had made one) is based on: If the question was between Clinton and Rooney I'd say Clinton. If it were between Clinton and Bush, that would be a tough one.
Clinton is clearly more articulate, i.e. a smooth talker (which is absolutely no indicator of intelligence) but he doesn't have an MBA in business, nor did he finish his Rhodes Scholarship...so it would be tough.
Your statement could only have been correct if you had knowledge that you couldn't possibly have, and yet you pass judgement on me and others here, regarding our motives, which you also couldn't possible know? Unreal.
I didn't, and never have said, that Bush is dumb. All of the things you've mentioned have been carefully planned and engineered by people who work for Bush. I'm not implying there's some sort of mysterious cabal at work, that's just how it works. Bush "figured out" that lowering taxes would spur a free market economy? That's Macro-Econ 101, Day 1.
That the troop surge was the right thing to do? Questionable, but the decision to do it in the frist place came from high-up military personnel; Bush didn't dream it up in the middle of the night.
Bush's entire first term and being elected twice (sort of)? Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the rest of the Project for a New American Century gang. I'm not saying Bush is dumb, I'm saying he fails to present himself as articulate or even cognizant of what's going on around him. I'll grant you he's not exactly given a friendly atmosphere to do so.
But I absolutely don't buy this idea that he's smarter than Rooney, or anyone else. He comes across as a person of average intelligence who doesn't much care for nuance or critical thought.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
If you didn’t call President Bush dumb, you strongly implied it. Nice lib tactic there leaving yourself wiggle room.
Also a nice lib tactic to infer that all the Presidents wins were orchestrated by people around him with the inference that he had nothing to do with it.
If lowering taxes is “Economics 101”, why does every liberal like yourself disagree?
The positive results of the troop surge are not questionable. It’s fact supported by real data. Your attempt to portray it as anything else is disingenuous.
“Elected twice (sort of)” – I can’t believe that crybaby liberals like you who still think he somehow stole the election still exist. Give it up. He won the election, according to the Constitution and according to the laws of this great nation. END OF STORY. Grow up and get over it.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
"Lowering taxes in an unfettered free market economy will spur growth, temporary or otherwise" would be the full aphorism. And not all people believe that unfettered free markets should take precedence over all other human concerns.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Wiggle room? Would that be like flip-flopping? Also known as not phrasing every thought that enters one's head with moronic absolutism, because not everything is so perfectly binary? Is that what you mean?
No, I don't think Bush is dumb.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason, what you don't realize is President Bush may be one of the most well read President of our generation. He is very keen on reading history books, and reportedly had a competition with Karl Rove, to see who could read the most books in a year. Bush's only problem is he gets toungue tied from time to time.
Like others have said, try standing in front of a hostile audience and speaking off the cuff, as those hostiles fire tough questions at you. It ain't easy!
Again, we have little to go on. I think many of the choices he makes are wrong, but so were the choices that a lot of obviously intelligent leaders in world history have made. I have no way of judging his actually intelligence and nor do you (I can have my fun with his lack of linguistic acumen, but I know it doesn't mean much), which is why I said from the beginning that this poll comes down to our ideologies.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Ah. Simple misjudging of which thread I was reading. Well, you have my answer now. I'll let Bal speak for himself.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Indeed, that's hard to believe. I mean, I'd roll my eyes if any president claimed that. It just sounds so hokey and manufactured.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"Bush 'figured out' that lowering taxes would spur a free market economy? That's Macro-Econ 101, day 1."
Let's just extend that line of reasoning, shall we? Every Democrat that has been heard on the news has been calling for tax increases, which would depress the economy, also Macro-Econ 101, day 1. Therefore W, as stupid as the left proclaims him to be, is smarter than everyone in the Democrat party.
As was pointed out above, speaking extemporaneously is much more difficult that reading off a teleprompter. The argument that Rooney writes his own monologue is irrelevant. Honestly, which is more difficult a task: to take time to think and write a monologue then read it off a teleprompter, or to try to prepare for and host a news conference with a hostile audience, members of which has spent much time since the last news conference coming up with gotcha questions in an attempt to make you look foolish?
Your next to last paragraph is as close to praise for someone doing one of the most difficult jobs in the world as I remember your having written.
I must disagree with your last paragraph, though. People of average intelligence do not, as a general rule, manage to accomplish all of the things W has managed to accomplish. I think the reason he is perceived as coming across as average intelligence is because of all the time the leftists in the LibMedia spend in protraying him in that way.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Jason C: "All of the things you've mentioned have been carefully planned and engineered by people who work for Bush."
Bush is responsible for those people being there in the first place. Surrounding yourself with people who you can trust to make good decisions? That's the smart thing for any leader to do.
I am always deeply impressed by the arguments that start out with the phrase "at least". It says so much for the memory strength of the debater since it harkens back to their kindergarten days.
Not mean at all. Your comment is irrelevant anyhow, so I haven't any reason to take it seriously. If you want to find examples of poor grammar and diction choices, I suggest you take a look around the rest of the site. The phrase "at least" was wholly appropriate here, as it indicated that Rooney does something, quite minimal, that one would think an intelligent man should be able to do.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
The phrase "at least" was wholly appropriate here, as it indicated that Rooney does something, [write his own monologue, in advance] quite minimal, that one would think an intelligent man should be able to do.
So your suggestion, by extension, is that the President is “less than intelligent” because he does not prepare his monologues, in advance.
Interesting. A completely and utterly foolish point of view, but interesting just the same.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
And as I've pointed out about 50 times now, that pertains to manifestations and signifiers of what one would judge as intelligence. I've reiterated over and over that there's no real way to know, that this poll is flawed, and that your painfully obvious attempts to get me to slip and declare that "Bush is dumb" are not going to work. Try some subtlety.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
GWB - MBA from Harvard, jet fighter pilot, governor of Texas, twice elected president of the United States.
AR - Journalist who gives a 2 minute, rehearsed, unopposed, monlogue where he doesn't have to solve any problems, answer any questions, or face any antagonists, but only has to berate someone else in a Monday morning quarterback sort of way.
I think that is more than enough to assimilate the manifestations and signifiers necessary to make a comparative analysis of the intelligence level of two individuals, hence rendering a judgement that is not politically motivated.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
I'm not sure what good an MBA is when you've left a trail of spectacular private sector failures in your wake.
But again, this is all speculative. The poll invites us to judge these two only on the merits that are known to us. We don't really know these men. And besides which, wasn't Rooney's exact quote "I may not be smarter than the president"??
So what's the beef?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Winning a governorship and two presidential elections, two wars, deposing a dictator and setting up a democracy in a hostile part of the world, revitalizing an economy that was floundering when he took office, and absolutely running rings around those geniuses in Congress who have been trying to get him impeached since January 20, 2000...
Please note that the term in question was prefixed with "private sector". All of your counterexamples are public sector. My comment was explicitly in response to Bush's holding an MBA as a marker of success and/or intelligence.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I missed that...but still, holding an MBA, from Harvard, no less, is a bit more of an academic acheivement than other presidents have had. Although, I agree that it's not necessarily a marker of comparative intelligence.
The quetsion is pretty meaningless, except to demonstrate how married the Left is to the idea that Bush is an idiot, which is so ridiculous as to point up the idiocy of those who make the charge.
Pointing out his MBA, or his ability to land an F-15 on an aircraft carrier, or win several elections and govern the most powerful country on Earth, all the while being personally attacked and vilified by the media more than any president in modern times, is just a way to further illustrate the idiocy of the Bush-is-Dumb crowd.
Fair enough Matt. And let me reiterate here that I am not a member of the Bush is Dumb crowd.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason elaborate on spectacular failures? Are those the same type Edison encountered while experimenting and inventing or those business people who failed many times and then are sucessful? Sometimes you fail, but you are only a failure if you dont pick yourself up and try again.
"In academia, success is 100% based on not failing."
That is inaccurate to the point of lunacy; only someone who did a 4-year degree and went straight to a low-expectation private sector job would believe such a claim. "Academia" refers to making academics your career, as a professor, researcher, or both. And there are many levels of success, stasis, and failure.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Your contention is that not enough information is available to make a judgement about the relative intelligence level of the two individuals in question, and any support of GWB is solely based upon political ideology.
I contend that there is more than enough information to make an unbiased judgement in a POLLing question.
Who is more intelligent, a Democrat chemical engineer or a Republican short order cook. If you said chemical engineer, would your answer be based solely upon political ideology? After all, you don't know anything about them besides their chosen career paths. Obviously NO.
Rooney is a journalist, which apparently does not require any unusual level of intelligence nor integrity.
"..I'm not sure what good an MBA is when you've left a trail of spectacular private sector failures in your wake..."
Thomas Edison left a trail of "failures" in his wake.
"What do you mean by "assimilate"?"
Assimilate: to absorb and incorporate into one's thinking.
So in this case, it would mean to absorb or gather together the available "signifiers" of intelligence in order make a rational judgement. Probably not the best choice of words in this circumstance.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
"And unlike most of this site, I still have a certain respect for old-school journalists. "
Actually, the point of this site is that the profession of journalism has lost it's credibility, hence any claim to respect. Or, are you saying we should respect the profession, even if they are not professional?
If you have 40 hours per week to come up with a 2 minute speech and a few column inches, you should be able to sound more articulate than a man with a clinical speech impediment, whose primary job is to run the country, not his mouth.
If you can't manage that, then your pretty stupid.
Obviously President Bush, he went from average college grades to leader of the free world...twice! What has Ronney done? He's the poster boy for the "Peter Principle". How many years has he been doing that same bit? hehe ...It's a no brainer :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
and average college grades at yale is nothing to sneeze at.
it is an unfortunate byproduct that people who are on television shows are automatically annointed as being intelligent. but then again, rooney's no idiot ... it takes a smart person to turn whining and complaining into a well paid art form. i just wonder how intelligent rooney will appear when the uncontrollable drooling begins.
Pmohbuck, your first sentence, in order to be accurate, needs to be slightly modified. It should read "and average college grades at Yale before the courses and standards were dumbed down were nothing to sneeze at." Perhaps in the upper level courses and the post-graduate courses, such grades are still nothing to sneeze at, I don't know.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
i realize my words didn't support my sentiment ... in other words, getting average grades at yale is not something to be ashamed of (especially, like you said, before the "dumbing-down/liberalization" of higher learning) ... thanks for the heads up.
This whole argument about Bush's intelligence is nothing new. For as long as I've been alive and old enough to pay attention, the intelligence of prominent Republicans has been questioned by the MSM. Reagan, Ford, GHWB, GWB--all of these guys were portrayed by the media as intellectually slow (to some degree). Meanwhile, the relative intelligence of liberal Democrats is rarely (if ever) questioned. Quite the contrary, they are generally portrayed as some kind of geniuses (i.e., Carter, Clinton, Gore). Heck, they even tried to pass John Kerry off as a brainiac in the 2004 election. Since that time, he has proven just how much of an idiot he really is, so much so that the guy who was almost president is no longer even in the mix of candidates. (The truth is GWB skewered him in head-to-head debates.)
Many liberals, particularly those in the media, feel that to even be considered intelligent one must be liberal. Conservatism itself, to these folks, is a sign of being dumb.
It is amazing to me that Rooney thinks that he is smarter than President Bush. What's worse, Rooney has done nothing than heckle from the sidelines. He has held no elective office and has no clue about the amount of initelligence, patience, sacrifice and common sense it takes to hold an elected office. At least President Carter actually held several offices (even though he has to be careful around the squirrels). Rooney somewhat reminds me of those two puppets on the Muppet show who sat up in the box and made fun of everybody and everything except they were actually funny and smarter than Rooney ever was or will be.
You bring up a very good point. It does not take all that much intelligence to find fault and gripe. If Rooney is so d*mn smart, why does he not articulate a problem, then give a reasoned and reasonable solution to the problem? If he is smart and knows the answer then, with his assured bully pulpit position on 60 Minutes, he can convince the people and members of Congress he is correct. Congress critters can then introduce legislation to implement this wonderful, intelligent solution to whatever problem. Once the bill has passed both houses of Congress, and the bill is signed into law, (or, if vetoed, the veto overridden), then the nation can rejoice in the wonderful, intelligent solution to the most difficult problem.
Instead, what Rooney does is b*tch, p*ss and moan, poke fun, and generally obstruct. In fact, he is like the people who sit at home, watching football on TV, and b*tching about the coach and/or quarterback. H*ll, if they are so d*mn smart and talented, why aren't they out there coaching or playing the game?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Hey, when the curmudgeon says, "There's no doubt we need
politicians. They run what runs us all -- our government.", doesn't he
display a lack of historical knowledge? I mean, we've managed 231 years
with a government Of, By and FOR the people, not RUNNING them!
But I suppose, that's what passes for liberal intelligence.
...either we get our heads together about this war, or our enemies will surely separate them for us...
Andy The Lip hasn't been better than a half bubble off center for years. I best love his statements that prove or support the other guy's position, and then he goes on the still dump on it. Gun control comes immediately to mind:
1) I hate guns
2) ordinary people don't misuse guns
3) ordinary people often use guns to stop crimes
4) but... I'm gonna take them away from ordinary people because of 1) above
With Looney and the Leftards, it doesn't matter what the facts are or what the law says or the regulation permits, etcetera, etcetera. It's all about the emotional and irrational. They want what they want and it doesn't matter how they get it or who has to pay (just so long as it's someone else). Because they are liberals, they are smarter than all of us. We should get over it, just shut up, and let them have their way. It's like dealing with my teenage horomonal ridden twin daughters.
Rooney did a short peice on why there was cotton inside of medicine bottles. He couldn't understand why it was there. Any idiot could tell it keeps the pills from bouncing around during shipment.
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Who is Andy Rooney? Wasn't
November 6, 2007 - 07:57 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsWho is Andy Rooney? Wasn't he the puppet sidekick for Cowboy Bob?
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How about who is smarter
November 6, 2007 - 08:07 ET by Free ThinkerHow about who is smarter -
The cast of The View or Andy Rooney's eyebrows?
You had to ask?
November 6, 2007 - 08:07 ET by Gary P JacksonYou had to ask?
Looney Rooney Votes?
November 6, 2007 - 08:18 ET by VT Con ManOK, who gave ole Andy the pity votes?.......
pity votes
November 6, 2007 - 09:10 ET by HypocriteHaterLeon, Ding, and all our other favorite leftoids.
And Sarc, who learned how to
November 6, 2007 - 09:24 ET by JimboAnd Sarc, who learned how to vote multiple times after the last Ron Paul telephone texing poll.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
Yeah,
November 6, 2007 - 09:28 ET by sarcasmoAnd I contributed the same dollar bill more than $4 million times yesterday, too!
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Sarc! Have you made it to
November 6, 2007 - 09:29 ET by BDSarc!
Have you made it to the New Mexico line yet?
I have no idea...
November 6, 2007 - 09:30 ET by sarcasmoWhat you mean by this. Code??
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This weekend while returnig
November 6, 2007 - 10:27 ET by BDThis weekend while returnig to Cochise County from Tucson, I came across a long haired fellow peddling a recumbant bicycle east of Benson on I-10 with a big sign on the back of the recumbant bicycle saying "Ron Paul for President."
I put two and two together and concluded the reason we had not heard from you lately was that you were on a round the county jaunt via bicycle.
I figured you were headed east for the New Mexico line.
*That's* "two and two"???
November 6, 2007 - 10:29 ET by sarcasmoNo wonder the competition's doing so-well! ;)
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Sure it is. The only fan
November 6, 2007 - 11:59 ET by BDSure it is.
The only fan of the Paul campaign (You) disappears, then probably the only fan of the Paul campaign with a bicycle is spotted,
THAT is what is known as an indicator
It seems to be as good a
November 6, 2007 - 13:25 ET by Dan The Man 2It seems to be as good a coorealtion as CO2 is to warming
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
No, but I'm sure your fellow
November 6, 2007 - 09:30 ET by JimboNo, but I'm sure your fellow cult members contributed much more. And for someone who thinks Ron Paul walks on water, $1??
Cheap bastard!
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
Funny...
November 6, 2007 - 09:31 ET by sarcasmoYou're the one talkin' religion, I am merely making fun of the "intelligence" of your "argument."
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And I repeat my
November 6, 2007 - 10:32 ET by JimboAnd I repeat my assertion.
$1 for your Cult? Cheap bastard!
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
So I'll repeat...
November 6, 2007 - 10:33 ET by sarcasmoIt's a dumb one.
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What do we have to go on
November 6, 2007 - 09:10 ET by JasonCWhat do we have to go on here? If it's the basic ability to put together a cogent thought in proper English, obviously Rooney wins. Other than that, what can possibly be our criteria?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Well jason,
November 6, 2007 - 09:23 ET by JimboIf your definition of putting together a proper cogent thought in Proper English off a teleprompter is your guide, I would say that there is no difference. Your jab at Bush is based on his difficulty articulating his thoughts while NOT reading off a teleprompter. First, difficulty articulating a response to a barrage of questions by a hostile media should not be misconstrued as someone being “smart” or “less smart”. Jeez. Isn’t this the same tired old liberal argument from 6 years ago when everyone was saying “BUSH IS DUMB” (before he was reelected that is). By the way, when was the last time you have seen Andy Rooney speaking without a teleprompter and responding to questions from a room full of people who overtly want him to fail? I suspect he would be a stumbling stuttering fool.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
At least Andy Rooney writes
November 6, 2007 - 09:30 ET by JasonCAt least Andy Rooney writes his own monologues. And unlike most of this site, I still have a certain respect for old-school journalists.
The first part of my post may have been a cheapshot joke (lord knows how NBers hate those!) but my point remains that we have very little to go on here. Bush simply does not come across as erudite or well-read or "smart", like, ever. As you point out, the circumstances under which he might have a chance to prove he is aren't exactly bent in his favor. But the fact that Bush is destroying Rooney in this poll just goes to show that people are voting based on ideology, not actual intelligence.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"But the fact that Bush is
November 6, 2007 - 09:45 ET by mattm"But the fact that Bush is destroying Rooney in this poll just goes to show that people are voting based on ideology, not actual intelligence."
Do you KNOW the "actual intelligence" of Rooney vs Bush??? Have they squared off in a IQ contest that you somehow know about?
No? Then your statement is crap.
If you go by the difficulty of the job each person does and the required intelligence it's obvious that it would take more intelligence to be the president than a professional blowhard. (Which is good work if you can get it)...
Do you? And hmmm, who did
November 6, 2007 - 10:03 ET by JasonCDo you?
And hmmm, who did you vote for? I'm merely pointing out that, like a high school student government election, this poll is predicated on popularity. Since Rooney mildly dissed Bush, people are running to Bush's defense.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Actually I did not respond
November 6, 2007 - 10:18 ET by mattmActually I did not respond to the question because I think it's basically pointless. As far as Rooney's mild 'dissing' of Bush, I wasn't aware of it, and I couldn't care less.
As to what my choice (if I had made one) is based on: If the question was between Clinton and Rooney I'd say Clinton. If it were between Clinton and Bush, that would be a tough one.
Clinton is clearly more articulate, i.e. a smooth talker (which is absolutely no indicator of intelligence) but he doesn't have an MBA in business, nor did he finish his Rhodes Scholarship...so it would be tough.
Your statement could only have been correct if you had knowledge that you couldn't possibly have, and yet you pass judgement on me and others here, regarding our motives, which you also couldn't possible know? Unreal.
Jason, Try Again
November 6, 2007 - 09:49 ET by Jimbo"Bush simply does not come across as erudite or well-read or "smart", like, ever."
Gotta have some smarts to get elected not once, but TWICE!
Gotta have some smarts to continue to keep this country safe despite the far left loons in Congress trying to do the contrary.
Gotta have some smarts to know that lowering taxes would lead to a booming economy.
Gotta have some smarts to know that the troop surge was the right thing to do and that it has helped to improve things in Iraq.
But "BUSH IS DUMB", right?
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
I didn't, and never have
November 6, 2007 - 10:01 ET by JasonCI didn't, and never have said, that Bush is dumb. All of the things you've mentioned have been carefully planned and engineered by people who work for Bush. I'm not implying there's some sort of mysterious cabal at work, that's just how it works. Bush "figured out" that lowering taxes would spur a free market economy? That's Macro-Econ 101, Day 1.
That the troop surge was the right thing to do? Questionable, but the decision to do it in the frist place came from high-up military personnel; Bush didn't dream it up in the middle of the night.
Bush's entire first term and being elected twice (sort of)? Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the rest of the Project for a New American Century gang. I'm not saying Bush is dumb, I'm saying he fails to present himself as articulate or even cognizant of what's going on around him. I'll grant you he's not exactly given a friendly atmosphere to do so.
But I absolutely don't buy this idea that he's smarter than Rooney, or anyone else. He comes across as a person of average intelligence who doesn't much care for nuance or critical thought.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Grow Up Jason
November 6, 2007 - 10:12 ET by JimboIf you didn’t call President Bush dumb, you strongly implied it. Nice lib tactic there leaving yourself wiggle room.
Also a nice lib tactic to infer that all the Presidents wins were orchestrated by people around him with the inference that he had nothing to do with it.
If lowering taxes is “Economics 101”, why does every liberal like yourself disagree?
The positive results of the troop surge are not questionable. It’s fact supported by real data. Your attempt to portray it as anything else is disingenuous.
“Elected twice (sort of)” – I can’t believe that crybaby liberals like you who still think he somehow stole the election still exist. Give it up. He won the election, according to the Constitution and according to the laws of this great nation. END OF STORY. Grow up and get over it.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
"Lowering taxes in an
November 6, 2007 - 10:31 ET by JasonC"Lowering taxes in an unfettered free market economy will spur growth, temporary or otherwise" would be the full aphorism. And not all people believe that unfettered free markets should take precedence over all other human concerns.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Wiggle room? Would that be
November 6, 2007 - 10:33 ET by JasonCWiggle room? Would that be like flip-flopping? Also known as not phrasing every thought that enters one's head with moronic absolutism, because not everything is so perfectly binary? Is that what you mean?
No, I don't think Bush is dumb.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason, what you don't
November 6, 2007 - 10:14 ET by Gary P JacksonJason, what you don't realize is President Bush may be one of the most well read President of our generation. He is very keen on reading history books, and reportedly had a competition with Karl Rove, to see who could read the most books in a year. Bush's only problem is he gets toungue tied from time to time.
Like others have said, try standing in front of a hostile audience and speaking off the cuff, as those hostiles fire tough questions at you. It ain't easy!
"Reportedly." And the
November 6, 2007 - 10:25 ET by balboa"Reportedly."
And the idea that Bush only makes his verbal goof-ups in front of hostile audiences is false. He does it in front of anyone, anywhere.
So Bal
November 6, 2007 - 10:26 ET by JimboSo is President Bush dumb?
Simple question. Yes or no?
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
Again, we have little to go
November 6, 2007 - 10:29 ET by JasonCAgain, we have little to go on. I think many of the choices he makes are wrong, but so were the choices that a lot of obviously intelligent leaders in world history have made. I have no way of judging his actually intelligence and nor do you (I can have my fun with his lack of linguistic acumen, but I know it doesn't mean much), which is why I said from the beginning that this poll comes down to our ideologies.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Nice backpedaling Jason, but
November 6, 2007 - 10:33 ET by JimboNice backpedaling Jason, but the question wasn't posed to you.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
Ah. Simple misjudging of
November 6, 2007 - 10:36 ET by JasonCAh. Simple misjudging of which thread I was reading. Well, you have my answer now. I'll let Bal speak for himself.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I don't think he's dumb.
November 6, 2007 - 10:36 ET by balboaI don't think he's dumb. But I have no idea if he's smarter than Andy Rooney.
And I'm not sure I believe he was in a book-reading competition.
Indeed, that's hard to
November 6, 2007 - 11:13 ET by JasonCIndeed, that's hard to believe. I mean, I'd roll my eyes if any president claimed that. It just sounds so hokey and manufactured.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Yeah, I can see them
November 6, 2007 - 13:50 ET by balboaYeah, I can see them dreaming up that nugget of P.R. I never really believed it.
And before someone says, "Well you'd believe it if Clinton said it."
No, no I wouldn't.
"Bush 'figured out' that
November 6, 2007 - 12:07 ET by MikeB"Bush 'figured out' that lowering taxes would spur a free market economy? That's Macro-Econ 101, day 1."
Let's just extend that line of reasoning, shall we? Every Democrat that has been heard on the news has been calling for tax increases, which would depress the economy, also Macro-Econ 101, day 1. Therefore W, as stupid as the left proclaims him to be, is smarter than everyone in the Democrat party.
As was pointed out above, speaking extemporaneously is much more difficult that reading off a teleprompter. The argument that Rooney writes his own monologue is irrelevant. Honestly, which is more difficult a task: to take time to think and write a monologue then read it off a teleprompter, or to try to prepare for and host a news conference with a hostile audience, members of which has spent much time since the last news conference coming up with gotcha questions in an attempt to make you look foolish?
Your next to last paragraph is as close to praise for someone doing one of the most difficult jobs in the world as I remember your having written.
I must disagree with your last paragraph, though. People of average intelligence do not, as a general rule, manage to accomplish all of the things W has managed to accomplish. I think the reason he is perceived as coming across as average intelligence is because of all the time the leftists in the LibMedia spend in protraying him in that way.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
"All of the things you've
November 6, 2007 - 12:20 ET by Hero SquadBush is responsible for those people being there in the first place. Surrounding yourself with people who you can trust to make good decisions? That's the smart thing for any leader to do.
**My Daughter at the WWII Memorial
I am always
November 6, 2007 - 10:22 ET by cvgbuckeyeI am always deeply impressed by the arguments that start out with the phrase "at least". It says so much for the memory strength of the debater since it harkens back to their kindergarten days.
Sorry to be so mean; just couldn't resist.
Not mean at all. Your
November 6, 2007 - 10:27 ET by JasonCNot mean at all. Your comment is irrelevant anyhow, so I haven't any reason to take it seriously. If you want to find examples of poor grammar and diction choices, I suggest you take a look around the rest of the site. The phrase "at least" was wholly appropriate here, as it indicated that Rooney does something, quite minimal, that one would think an intelligent man should be able to do.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Stop Exposing Yourself Jason
November 6, 2007 - 10:30 ET by JimboYou are exposing yourself Jason.
The phrase "at least" was wholly appropriate here, as it indicated that Rooney does something, [write his own monologue, in advance] quite minimal, that one would think an intelligent man should be able to do.
So your suggestion, by extension, is that the President is “less than intelligent” because he does not prepare his monologues, in advance.
Interesting. A completely and utterly foolish point of view, but interesting just the same.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
And as I've pointed out
November 6, 2007 - 10:35 ET by JasonCAnd as I've pointed out about 50 times now, that pertains to manifestations and signifiers of what one would judge as intelligence. I've reiterated over and over that there's no real way to know, that this poll is flawed, and that your painfully obvious attempts to get me to slip and declare that "Bush is dumb" are not going to work. Try some subtlety.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Why be subtle? You have
November 6, 2007 - 10:39 ET by JimboWhy be subtle? You have been tap-dancing around the subject through the whole thread.
Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"
Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."
"No real way to
November 6, 2007 - 11:04 ET by Jerry"No real way to know.."
Come now, let's look at what we DO know.
GWB - MBA from Harvard, jet fighter pilot, governor of Texas, twice elected president of the United States.
AR - Journalist who gives a 2 minute, rehearsed, unopposed, monlogue where he doesn't have to solve any problems, answer any questions, or face any antagonists, but only has to berate someone else in a Monday morning quarterback sort of way.
I think that is more than enough to assimilate the manifestations and signifiers necessary to make a comparative analysis of the intelligence level of two individuals, hence rendering a judgement that is not politically motivated.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
What do you mean by
November 6, 2007 - 11:06 ET by JasonCWhat do you mean by "assimilate"?
I'm not sure what good an MBA is when you've left a trail of spectacular private sector failures in your wake.
But again, this is all speculative. The poll invites us to judge these two only on the merits that are known to us. We don't really know these men. And besides which, wasn't Rooney's exact quote "I may not be smarter than the president"??
So what's the beef?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
A trail of spectacular
November 6, 2007 - 11:20 ET by mattmA trail of spectacular failures????
Winning a governorship and two presidential elections, two wars, deposing a dictator and setting up a democracy in a hostile part of the world, revitalizing an economy that was floundering when he took office, and absolutely running rings around those geniuses in Congress who have been trying to get him impeached since January 20, 2000...
Failure? You're off your rocker.
Please note that the term
November 6, 2007 - 11:24 ET by JasonCPlease note that the term in question was prefixed with "private sector". All of your counterexamples are public sector. My comment was explicitly in response to Bush's holding an MBA as a marker of success and/or intelligence.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I missed that...but still,
November 6, 2007 - 11:42 ET by mattmI missed that...but still, holding an MBA, from Harvard, no less, is a bit more of an academic acheivement than other presidents have had. Although, I agree that it's not necessarily a marker of comparative intelligence.
The quetsion is pretty meaningless, except to demonstrate how married the Left is to the idea that Bush is an idiot, which is so ridiculous as to point up the idiocy of those who make the charge.
Pointing out his MBA, or his ability to land an F-15 on an aircraft carrier, or win several elections and govern the most powerful country on Earth, all the while being personally attacked and vilified by the media more than any president in modern times, is just a way to further illustrate the idiocy of the Bush-is-Dumb crowd.
Fair enough Matt. And let
November 6, 2007 - 12:39 ET by JasonCFair enough Matt. And let me reiterate here that I am not a member of the Bush is Dumb crowd.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jason elaborate on
November 6, 2007 - 13:34 ET by Dan The Man 2Jason elaborate on spectacular failures? Are those the same type Edison encountered while experimenting and inventing or those business people who failed many times and then are sucessful? Sometimes you fail, but you are only a failure if you dont pick yourself up and try again.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Excellent Point, Dan
November 6, 2007 - 22:33 ET by timotheThe difference between academic success and success at life, as paraphrased by Robert Kiyosaki. (sp?)
In academia, success is 100% based on not failing.
In life, it is failure that brings about success. Without failure, there is no success.
"In academia, success is
November 16, 2007 - 09:19 ET by JasonC"In academia, success is 100% based on not failing."
That is inaccurate to the point of lunacy; only someone who did a 4-year degree and went straight to a low-expectation private sector job would believe such a claim. "Academia" refers to making academics your career, as a professor, researcher, or both. And there are many levels of success, stasis, and failure.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"So what's the
November 6, 2007 - 11:43 ET by Jerry"So what's the beef?"
Your contention is that not enough information is available to make a judgement about the relative intelligence level of the two individuals in question, and any support of GWB is solely based upon political ideology.
I contend that there is more than enough information to make an unbiased judgement in a POLLing question.
Who is more intelligent, a Democrat chemical engineer or a Republican short order cook. If you said chemical engineer, would your answer be based solely upon political ideology? After all, you don't know anything about them besides their chosen career paths. Obviously NO.
Rooney is a journalist, which apparently does not require any unusual level of intelligence nor integrity.
"..I'm not sure what good an MBA is when you've left a trail of spectacular private sector failures in your wake..."
Thomas Edison left a trail of "failures" in his wake.
"What do you mean by "assimilate"?"
Assimilate: to absorb and incorporate into one's thinking.
So in this case, it would mean to absorb or gather together the available "signifiers" of intelligence in order make a rational judgement. Probably not the best choice of words in this circumstance.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
"And unlike most of this
November 6, 2007 - 11:11 ET by Ruths husband Ben"And unlike most of this site, I still have a certain respect for old-school journalists. "
Actually, the point of this site is that the profession of journalism has lost it's credibility, hence any claim to respect. Or, are you saying we should respect the profession, even if they are not professional?
If you have 40 hours per
November 6, 2007 - 09:37 ET by mattmIf you have 40 hours per week to come up with a 2 minute speech and a few column inches, you should be able to sound more articulate than a man with a clinical speech impediment, whose primary job is to run the country, not his mouth.
If you can't manage that, then your pretty stupid.
If you can't manage that, then your pretty stupid.
November 6, 2007 - 10:02 ET by Del DolemonteIf you can't manage that, then your pretty stupid.
A more realistic and fair poll
November 6, 2007 - 09:37 ET by FastEdwould have be to ask - Who is smarter/prettier - A Rooney or R O'Donnell?
How about - Whose hair is more eco-friendly - A Gore or J Kerry? (had to leave Edwards out for obvious reasons)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Isn't this a question a liberal would ask?
November 6, 2007 - 10:21 ET by Joe ShlabotnikLiberals are obsessed over intelligence, as if SAT scores alone qualify one to be a leader (or wield power).
Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
Who's smarter...
November 6, 2007 - 10:33 ET by MightyMouthObviously President Bush, he went from average college grades to leader of the free world...twice! What has Ronney done? He's the poster boy for the "Peter Principle". How many years has he been doing that same bit? hehe ...It's a no brainer :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
and average college grades
November 6, 2007 - 11:40 ET by pmohbuckand average college grades at yale is nothing to sneeze at.
it is an unfortunate byproduct that people who are on television shows are automatically annointed as being intelligent. but then again, rooney's no idiot ... it takes a smart person to turn whining and complaining into a well paid art form. i just wonder how intelligent rooney will appear when the uncontrollable drooling begins.
Pmohbuck, your first
November 6, 2007 - 12:22 ET by MikeBPmohbuck, your first sentence, in order to be accurate, needs to be slightly modified. It should read "and average college grades at Yale before the courses and standards were dumbed down were nothing to sneeze at." Perhaps in the upper level courses and the post-graduate courses, such grades are still nothing to sneeze at, I don't know.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
having just re-read my original comment ...
November 6, 2007 - 14:44 ET by pmohbucki realize my words didn't support my sentiment ... in other words, getting average grades at yale is not something to be ashamed of (especially, like you said, before the "dumbing-down/liberalization" of higher learning) ... thanks for the heads up.
This whole argument about
November 6, 2007 - 10:35 ET by SmartypantsThis whole argument about Bush's intelligence is nothing new. For as long as I've been alive and old enough to pay attention, the intelligence of prominent Republicans has been questioned by the MSM. Reagan, Ford, GHWB, GWB--all of these guys were portrayed by the media as intellectually slow (to some degree). Meanwhile, the relative intelligence of liberal Democrats is rarely (if ever) questioned. Quite the contrary, they are generally portrayed as some kind of geniuses (i.e., Carter, Clinton, Gore). Heck, they even tried to pass John Kerry off as a brainiac in the 2004 election. Since that time, he has proven just how much of an idiot he really is, so much so that the guy who was almost president is no longer even in the mix of candidates. (The truth is GWB skewered him in head-to-head debates.)
Many liberals, particularly those in the media, feel that to even be considered intelligent one must be liberal. Conservatism itself, to these folks, is a sign of being dumb.
President Bush Has a 500 I.Q.
November 6, 2007 - 11:18 ET by gideonmjamesThis verse right here gives President Bush a 500 IQ ...
Proverbs 1:7
The fear [respect, reverence] of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction [the Bible].
It also gives liberals and Democrats a NEGATIVE 500 IQ.
Rooney's just another armchair liberal quarterback
November 6, 2007 - 11:40 ET by PSPCplIt is amazing to me that Rooney thinks that he is smarter than President Bush. What's worse, Rooney has done nothing than heckle from the sidelines. He has held no elective office and has no clue about the amount of initelligence, patience, sacrifice and common sense it takes to hold an elected office. At least President Carter actually held several offices (even though he has to be careful around the squirrels). Rooney somewhat reminds me of those two puppets on the Muppet show who sat up in the box and made fun of everybody and everything except they were actually funny and smarter than Rooney ever was or will be.
You bring up a very good
November 6, 2007 - 12:33 ET by MikeBYou bring up a very good point. It does not take all that much intelligence to find fault and gripe. If Rooney is so d*mn smart, why does he not articulate a problem, then give a reasoned and reasonable solution to the problem? If he is smart and knows the answer then, with his assured bully pulpit position on 60 Minutes, he can convince the people and members of Congress he is correct. Congress critters can then introduce legislation to implement this wonderful, intelligent solution to whatever problem. Once the bill has passed both houses of Congress, and the bill is signed into law, (or, if vetoed, the veto overridden), then the nation can rejoice in the wonderful, intelligent solution to the most difficult problem.
Instead, what Rooney does is b*tch, p*ss and moan, poke fun, and generally obstruct. In fact, he is like the people who sit at home, watching football on TV, and b*tching about the coach and/or quarterback. H*ll, if they are so d*mn smart and talented, why aren't they out there coaching or playing the game?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Rooney the Loony
November 6, 2007 - 12:33 ET by JeffHey, when the curmudgeon says, "There's no doubt we need
politicians. They run what runs us all -- our government.", doesn't he
display a lack of historical knowledge? I mean, we've managed 231 years
with a government Of, By and FOR the people, not RUNNING them!
But I suppose, that's what passes for liberal intelligence.
...either we get our heads together about this war, or our enemies will surely separate them for us...
redhawk
November 6, 2007 - 12:48 ET by redhawkIs Keith OLDUMBERMANN the Troll in Training under the Tutealge of Mickey oops Andy Rooney???
hey, isn't that an oxymoron?
November 6, 2007 - 14:57 ET by wizardjrLiberal Intelligence... yeah, OK... common now
I have a tree stump thats smarter
November 6, 2007 - 14:55 ET by wizardjrAndy The Lip hasn't been better than a half bubble off center for years. I best love his statements that prove or support the other guy's position, and then he goes on the still dump on it. Gun control comes immediately to mind:
1) I hate guns
2) ordinary people don't misuse guns
3) ordinary people often use guns to stop crimes
4) but... I'm gonna take them away from ordinary people because of 1) above
Wizard's RIght on Point
November 6, 2007 - 15:13 ET by PSPCplWith Looney and the Leftards, it doesn't matter what the facts are or what the law says or the regulation permits, etcetera, etcetera. It's all about the emotional and irrational. They want what they want and it doesn't matter how they get it or who has to pay (just so long as it's someone else). Because they are liberals, they are smarter than all of us. We should get over it, just shut up, and let them have their way. It's like dealing with my teenage horomonal ridden twin daughters.
I know who he is!
November 6, 2007 - 20:32 ET by goldenthroatAndy is Mickey's brother!
"Yeah! That's the ticket!" - Tommy Flanagan
Rooney did a short peice on
November 7, 2007 - 16:15 ET by MAZZORooney did a short peice on why there was cotton inside of medicine bottles. He couldn't understand why it was there. Any idiot could tell it keeps the pills from bouncing around during shipment.