Was Hillary Clinton Harmed by Tuesday's Debate?

Yes
79% (2581 votes)
No
21% (687 votes)
Total votes: 3268

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Yes - She was hurt.

Yes – she was hurt. It seems like the MSM didn’t want to fire the first shot because they would have come off as the bad guys. Now that Obama and Edwards have done that, the MSM feels a little more “at ease” about raising the types of questions being thrown at her. It’s already happening as evidenced in many of the threads here over the past 24-48 hours. True, some media outlets are trying to spin the hits as her showing that she is tough enough to be President, but I don’t think she can sustain her position of non answers forever. I think we may look back at this period as the beginning of Hillary’s downward spiral.

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

Isn't it great

Its about time and isn't it great. She takes criticism so well. No?

The "algore" express is

The "algore" express is just leaving the station!

Al Gore = Stupid, but I'd take him over her!

I'd rather have a complete dumbass in office than a smart communist. ANYDAY. Hell.. . RUN GORE! RUN! I want to see blood!

"I don't give DAMN what you think you're entitled too."

Six... ...and I do think

Six...

...and I do think Gore is silently waiting in the wings....

The dems are toast with the rest of the candidates, so I join you on thinking of Run Gore Run!

This is going to end up being quite fun IMHO.

 With the exception of a third party candidate that could hurt us and of course the illegal voting the dems get away with every year...hence the AG's being fired in a lot of the states that had just that problem and they did nothing about.

"What if" time

WHAT IF...

...Gore ran as an independent or third party??? 

And do any of you think that could happen?

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Gore runs Independent or 3rd Party?

We win, of course. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Ooo! Interesting... But, in

Ooo! Interesting...

But, in all likelihood, that would have the dreaded "Ralph Nader" effect and the Democratic vote would be split, resulting in a Republican win. 

Perspective

Dreaded? 

That's entirely a matter of perspective...

:-) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

This is the first time in

This is the first time in her political career that she has been severely challenged and we see that she cannot take a punch without resorting to blame and name calling. Wait till the general election.

Hillary - what the media makes - it breaks

Hillary has to be very very careful - she is a product of the mainstream media - and as a result - they will destroy her if the opportunity presents itself. Her staff is bad mouthing Tim Russert - and that is not a good idea. If the media gets attacked by her or her staff - it will be her "Howard Dean" type ending.

What the media makes - the media breaks.

Hillary Dean

Oh, that would be sweet! Hillary's explosion could most likely be seen from space.

Wow... I actually have a glimmer of hope that it wont be all that bad. thanks

"I don't give DAMN what you think you're entitled too."

Excellent point, RJ! Tim

Excellent point, RJ!

Tim Russert is beloved in the MSM, so attacking him isn't the way to win friends and influence people.

 

I voted no

Jason Lewis talked about this on his show yesterday. The headline here isn't that Hillary lost a debate among other Democrats. The real headline is how she wanted to come off as a centrist because she's already running for president.

Yes Hillary flip-flopped on the illegal drivers' license. But here's the other side of that - every other Democrat on the stage was wholeheartedly for it! 

So when this ruckus settles down, she can paint her opponents as hardcore left while she is in the middle, sympathetic to the problem but unwilling to go along with it. 

 

card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy

That may be her strategy,

That may be her strategy, but it won’t work. The way I see it, those tough questions that are now being asked about her time in the White House will need to be answered. If not now, certainly during a toe-to-toe with the Republican nominee.

The Clinton machine knows that these things will need to be answered, and the fact that she didn’t have a scripted answer ready for them (considering everything she does is scripted), tells me that they are struggling to come up with something believable.

The MSM smells blood in the water and they are already in the early stages of panic because they are looking down the barrel of another Republican White House.

Her cutting into Russert certainly isn't helping her casue either. This is about to start getting very interesting.

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

candace, it did appear Mrs Slick Willie was against Spitzer

...but today, she has endorsed his plan.  Hard to keep up with the Slippery Hill, huh?

RJ... IMO Mrs. Slick

RJ...

IMO Mrs. Slick Willie can't go against Gov. Spitzer on this issue since this has been a plan in works for years from state to state since the Clintons were put in office, the Motor Voter law was the beginning for dem. fraud for illegal votes...this has all been drafted by this witch...which is coming back to bite her in the arse...about time too.

I was trying to remember the gentleman's name from Chicago who was a democrat to-boot during the House Impeachment trials that had boxes and boxes of illegal aliens that the Clinton administration had made sure to urge through our country with the aid of her college chum Doris Meisner (sp) that she appointed head of the INS or some acronym for the head of being in charge on illegals entering this country...(if I wasn't in such a hurry I would look all this up)...as far as I know not all of those boxes were ever opened and examined for illegal aliens, some with horrendous records of crime that we did know of. 

Anyway, this is all in the works and has been for years...which Spitzer knows very well, which I bet he has power over her in this case with evidence that she is and has been very much involved in all of this mess she has got herself in...

Thank God.

Absolutely, BT. The goal of the Democrat Socialist Party

is to create as many "immigrant" voters as possible....legal or illegal...and the driver license plan HAS been in the works for years. 

We also know that Mrs Slick Willie and Gov Spit-zer also see this as the precursor to amnesty for the illegal aliens.

finally asked a couple of hard questions - couldn't answer them

I think it is hillarious!!

She finally got asked a couple of hard questions and her advisors are furious!!! One of them actually said, "Tim Russert should be shot!"

How DARE the MSM ask her hradball questions....

No RINOs in '08 - Mike Huckabee is the best choice 

A warning to Tim Russert...

...[Hillary's] advisors are furious. One of them actually said, "Tim Russert should be shot!"

You might wanna steer clear of Fort Marcy Park for the next few weeks, Tim...

~~~

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives believe liberals are wrong, while liberals believe conservatives are evil.

"wanna steer clear of Fort Marcy Park for the next few weeks..."

...or be wary of this.....

v

Right on!

tooooo funny!  Maybe you could find a choo-choo train compartment complete with a drugged Chinaman and suicide note beside him to add to the collection ;-) 

Russert Beware !

The Clinton machine has no bounds. Even close friends like Foster can get in the way.

Power at ALL costs.

Never forget that there IS more than meets the eye. Obama and Edwards would do well to watch their backs also.

Nothin hurts the Clintons.

Nothin hurts the Clintons. MSM will defend them to the death.

I think the MSM hates

I think the MSM hates President Bush more than they love the Clintons. I think they will support the Clintons only so far as they see her as a viable candidate. The day they see her as unelectable (and that day is coming...soon) they will politely as they can, dump her. We may already be in the very early stages of that.

Problem is, the MSM (and the DNC) need to fish or cut bait soon. Once the primaries begin and if she commands an early lead, it will be too late.

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

lol....I hear ya

lol....I hear ya Jimbo....however....don't kid yourself....Hillary is their man.

 I loved watching Kerry go down for all he said and did to harm our heroes that served in Vietnam to advance his political career. It warms my heart to know HE knows he will never again have a shot at the BIG one.

Watching Hillary go down.....well.....there's just not a powerful enough word to describe the joy that will fill my heart.

Let her be their man. To quote that loser from 2004:

BRING IT ON!!!!

This was on the Daily Kos

This was on the Daily Kos today -

The same people who have been telling us for years that Hillary was inevitable, are now apparently hoping for a real contest. If so, then good. We need one of those anyway. Maybe, if we're lucky, we'll even get Hillary to explain to us why she wants to be president.

I know Edwards is running because of the disparities of the Two Americas. I know Dodd is running to restore our Constitution. I know Obama is running because he wrote a great speech back in 2004 (or something like that).

But Hillary? If this stops becoming a coronation, maybe we'll get a rationale for her candidacy after all. She's clearly felt no need to give us one thus far.

Hillary is in trouble.

Leon says "By the way, I'm not afraid of fat people, I'm repulsed"

Truth Monger Says - "Both are religions [Christianity & Islam], yes - with the same percentage of terrorists."

Hillary's Self-Destruction

I hope this is the beginning of the end for the would-be Queen. The ultra-Liberals (e.g., DailyKos, MoveOn.org, DU, etc.) never liked her, because she voted for the Iraq War. As for the Liberal Media, they know that she will not get any State that voted for President Bush in 2000 or 2004. She has peaked way too soon and now she is destroying herself.

Get the to a subsidy!

The correct answer is NO. She was not hurt in the least, as far as her ilk are concerned, though she did put herself in a defensive spot for the next week or two. Also, this performance gave some easy meat to the Republicans for when the time comes. Unless she has a butcher waiting with long knives for the slaughter, then, they'll duck the hook to avoid being sent through the meat grinder. 

YES

With such a sorry arrogant performance, it HAS to hurt, but all things are relative. Those that said no do have a point, with the backing of the MSM most will never know how bad she looked in that debate because the MSM will not report it or will try their best to excuse it.

“I would remind you
that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind
you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

As a woman....Hillary looks

As a woman....Hillary looks like a crybaby. If she cant stand the
heat...........Who said that??? A democrat....Truman. We dont want a
crybaby in the White House......

I like Duncan Hunter

Mom

You Can Always Tell When Hillary Has Been "Hurt"

Just listen to the post debate whining by Hillary's hacks and the words used by the headline writers.  I hope Russert and Williams have bodyguards for a few days.

Hillary Clinton was gut shot in the debate

In rough and tumble language, Hillary Clinton was gut shot with a Winchester Model 12 and that is how bad it was for her.

What people have to understand is this:

The fairy boys in Obama and Edwards now realize like in a prize fight they can tag this bag and hurt her bad.
The back stabbing Dodd and Biden now realize all hope is not vanished in serving for Al Gore and will pull out the long blades.

The public is not yet paying very close attention to this, but give these boys and the MSM some time to hammer her again and then the public will notice the blood trail.

Hillary has already gone into the lie and deny role and started the villify today in "all those boys being mean to lil Hillary". That is her best gambit.......she can not though tag all of these Dems as it will look like what she is a scornful old hag.

WHAT DEMS HAVE to watch out for is the polling question of, "Will you vote for Hillary more IF SHE CRIES".

Do not put it past alligator tears Clinton to cry on cue if she knows this will disarm the attack.

I still believe though even if Hillary swings back that the cartel is going to follow through on this coup. Her legal troubles are just starting as she is being softened up.

It will take at least 2 more of these blasts from major media to get the public to notice and to rattle Hillary so the real b*tch comes out. The day you see her loose it in public is the day this is over for her.

Oh and you do notice Bill ha not trotted out to save her now has he.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

LC... I agree with your

LC...

I agree with your post for the most part, the only thing I don't is the tears, she isn't capable of pulling that off like her phony baloney husband was...she couldn't pull of fake laughter, she can't pull off fake tears either...

It's not in her, you have to have a soul first.

JMHO

 

You do notice however

that she has lost her "cackle" ;-)  Now let's see how quickly she can return to her previous "royalty" position after this character-building exercise.  As was quite obvious, her lack of character was right out there - front and center for all to see!!

Moderators

Chris Matthews, an obvious liberal, gets to moderate the Republican debate. When will an obvious conservative get to moderate the Democrat's debate?

 

 

What is Hillary going to

What is Hillary going to call this?

The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy?

 

you bet...

...our handprints are all over it.

v

btw: see how Karl's weather machine keep Noel away from Florida?

Hillary's Debate Gaffes

Oh, Hillary's flopping around live the other night didn't help at all...her disingenuousness around the "National Archives", and of course, her "husband" decided to not release the documents from the stupid Clinton Library.  As if!

Further, her little tapdance on drivers licenses for illegals in New York was another major fiasco.

Finally, her staff getting all hot & bothered over Tim Russert is hillarious.

This a.m., I was watching Morning Joe (I can no longer stomach F&F, and Joe can at least conduct a pretty decent interview, plus, I think he truly dislikes Bubbles), and he had Chris Matthews on.  Chrissy decided to leave his tinfoil hat at home.  I suspect his typical moonbattery on Softball is just schtick, BTW.  Chris was in great form as a political analyst this a.m. (I tried to find the YouTube).  He basically claimed that both Clinton & Obama lost the debate the other night.  And this is the best part.....

Tim Russert won!  Man, I laughed out loud at that one. 

I'm beginning to like Morning Joe....then I get to read about it here, later.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Don't crow too fast or loud

I've watched the Clintons come back from worse... Be happy and hope that, for once, they got a little of what's coming to them but don't hype it up too much just yet. They have a way of bouncing back stronger and nastier than before. I don't believe the Clinton Machine will die that easily. That kind of disappointment could be very depressing to experience.

Newt's mom

My opinion on Hillary?

It all comes back to earliest 1995, and what Newt Gingrich's mom said (yes, I know, she was quoting her son)...

:-)

(By the way, when that flap happened, I could not stop laughing.  I simply couldn't...) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I remember hearing that bite

I remember hearing that bite all the time. The msm thought people would be outraged by such a comment, but every time I heard it, the grin on my face got wider and wider. Hilarious then, hilarious now, thinking back.

Their attempt to drum up outrage failed?

Why, THAT would explain why we hadn't seen that in a while... 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I'm almost afraid to post this...

for fear that the wrong eyes may read it. 

It's not Hillary, it's the issue that will pull down the party. 

Illegal Immigration....comprende?

Even McCain was smart enough to move right on this and change his rhetoric to "secure the borders first". 

Somehow, the vast majority of our population, who are mostly apathetic about politics (even the war), are vibrantly opposed to rights/benefits/citizenship for illegal aliens.  We are society that obeys the rule of law and we see illegal immigrants as lawbreakers. 

It is the gay marriage issue of 2008...and then some.

You got the dumbass part

You got the dumbass part right!

The Hildewench wasn't harmed in the least.

As the people who will be voting her into office (single women with children) probably weren't watching.

And even if they were, it wouldn't matter.

Sorry, but no. Toomany of

Sorry, but no. Toomany of those who would vote for her have already decided to.She could gun down a kindergarten class and the willfully ignorant would

A) not care because they are already decided.

B) not care and say there is no comparison and Bush has killed millions of Iraqis or thousands in New Orleans or thousands n 9/1 or all of the above.

C) Not care because they get their news from the Daily Show and can't understand anything with out a punch line.

 

 

ROFL!

haha good one!

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