Sometimes a newspaper story is so bizarre that you have to review it twice just to be sure you really read what you had just read. Such was the case with this Palm Beach Post column, "Immigrants new right-wing fear factor," by Frank Cerabino (pictured at right). We enter the surreal zone with this report:
I feel bad for Jennifer Lasko, the Delray Beach firefighter who made a significant sacrifice for her favorite presidential candidate.
Especially because it's an unnecessary sacrifice.
Lasko, 42, was one of four Americans selected from thousands of essay-writing supporters of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama to have dinner with the candidate on July 10. Lasko donated $25 to the Obama campaign and wrote about her transformation from a Republican to a Democrat.
It turns out that Miss Lasko's switch from Republican to Democrat was the least of her transformations:
She didn't only change political parties. Lasko had a sex change two years ago.
And she didn't want her transgendered status to become a political liability for Obama.
"I was foolish to think I could keep it under wraps," she told The Palm Beach Post's Jose Lambiet. "There are a lot of closed-minded people who'll make an issue of this."
Like liberals such as Frank Cerabino who will make a chip-on-the-shoulder issue of the "right-wing" supposedly being morally outraged over the transgendered and others of the self-described "GLBT" grouping:
A few months ago, I would have said Lasko's concern was politically savvy. But I've come to believe that she may be overly cautious during this election cycle and that she, and everybody else in the GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transsexual) community have less to dread in 2008 than in previous election years.
That's because there's a new scapegoat in town: Immigrants.
Of course, Cerabino means illegal aliens but in the new leftwing PC NewSpeak they are now referred to as "immigrants" or as "undocumented workers."
When it comes to whipping up irrational get-out-the-vote fear, it's the trans-bordered, not the transgendered who are in the crosshairs of the troglodyte wing of American politics.
Latin American immigrants are the new gays.
At this point, Cerabino descends from the merely bizarre to the flat out surreal:
The nail-biting fear of gay marriage and the so-called "gay agenda" has given way to contrived hysteria over tubercular, leprous El Qaeda Central Americans streaming into America to pursue their diabolical menial-labor agenda.
These days, the morality police are joining the border patrol, trading in their Bibles for barbed wire in the hunt for a more galvanizing bogeyman.
Is this good for the GLBT crowd? Claro que si.
One can picture angry rightwing yahoos trading in their Bibles for barbed wire to hunt down terrorized "immigrants"...but only in the Cerabino Bizarro World. At least we should thank Frank for the laughs derived from his over the top liberal hyperbole on the topic of illegal immigration.
—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.
Comments Policy
Cerabino: When it comes to wh
July 1, 2007 - 20:15 ET by general companyCerabino: When it comes to whipping up irrational get-out-the-vote fear, it's the trans-bordered, not the transgendered
No it isnt,,,,,it's you!! And your stupid insinuations
It's amazing that advocates l
July 1, 2007 - 20:19 ET by dahliatraversIt's amazing that advocates like Cerabino stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that one little word: "legal".
We have no problem with legal immigration. It was the disposing of our borders and sovereignty that we found a little troubling.
Actually, they aren't "
July 1, 2007 - 21:11 ET by robert108Actually, they aren't "immigrants" of any type; they are invaders(or parasites, if you prefer). Like parasites, they come here to feed on the host - us.
}}----> Transgender
July 1, 2007 - 20:26 ET by Cool ArrowI knew a guy who almost went through the transgender thing. Decided against it at the last minute.
Guess you might call him a Near Miss
< groan >
July 1, 2007 - 20:48 ET by dahliatravers< groan >
}}----> Thank you
July 1, 2007 - 21:03 ET by Cool ArrowThank you very much
Don't tell me, Cool.........t
July 1, 2007 - 21:54 ET by Scout FinchDon't tell me, Cool.........the first thing he did as a "woman" was to exercise a woman's right to change her mind (and go back)!
Sheesh, just when you thoug
July 1, 2007 - 20:28 ET by SMGalbraithSheesh, just when you thought you heard everything.
Tom Wolfe once pointed out that it's almost impossible to write parodies or satire nowadays. Real life - if we can be generous with Mr. Cerabino's worldview and call it real - always outdoes fiction.
The worst part in this is that Mr. Cerabino's vote, in the eyes of the government, is exactly equal to mine.
Terrific. My votes all these years have been negated by this space cadet.
Sorry. Mr. Space Cadet.
Well, maybe he doesn't vote. Some possible solace in that.
SMG
Actually Mr. Cerrabino, we c
July 1, 2007 - 20:50 ET by BlazerActually Mr. Cerrabino, we conservatives are afraid of drug addicted, transgendered, islamofascist, vegetarian, welfare recipient, illegal aliens from the planet moonbat, but you got it part right anyway.
You have to love guys like Mr. Cerrabino, and his ilk. No mention anywhere from him, and the rest of his cohorts in the MSM about how 85% of American citizens, conservative, liberal, and independant want an immigration bill with teeth, and secure borders, not outright amnesty, for lawbreakers, and tax evaders.
No emphasis on the fact that this immigration bill was voted for, and against bi-partisanly, and was supported by our RINO president.
Allways spin it that it's the GOP's fault, along with racist, and opressive conservatives everywhere. Anyway just par for the course.
No men"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
}}----> Blazer
July 1, 2007 - 20:58 ET by Cool ArrowAre you moonbatophobic?
As John Edwards might reply
July 1, 2007 - 21:24 ET by BlazerAs John Edwards might reply Arrow: " I'm not comfortable around those people"
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
I'm pretty sure politically
July 2, 2007 - 02:28 ET by sarcasmoI'm pretty sure politically conservative vegetarians exist, which is why I find it strange that so many of you seem to object to that eating-behavior choice. I have my vegetarian days, but I'll always be an omnivore in the end, because some critters just taste so damn good.
JMR
I won't speak for anyone else
July 2, 2007 - 06:30 ET by jcrapes4I won't speak for anyone else here but I dont care about what vegetarians choose to eat or not eat. I only care when they try to tell me what I should or should not eat.
That would be the PETA frea
July 2, 2007 - 08:13 ET by sarcasmoThat would be the PETA freaks, though, a distinct subspecies only some of which are truly vegetarians themselves, from what I've heard. The Elmer Gantry syndrome extends far-beyond traditional religions. For me, vegetarians (at least, the type who want to leave us all alone) are sources of good recipes, just as the Jews are sources of good lox & bagels, so I'm very much in favor of both.
JMR
I saw a bumper sticker the ot
July 2, 2007 - 08:51 ET by Hero SquadI saw a bumper sticker the other day that read "Vegitarian is a prehistoric word meaning 'bad hunter.'"
I don't have a problem with veggie-tables or people who eat them exclusively. It's just the people who feel they must push their lifestyle choice down your throat that are annoying and asking to be slapped upside the head with a freshly butchered slab of tender veal.
Figuratively speaking, of course.
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
Also, to buttress sarc's poin
July 8, 2007 - 19:49 ET by BinxlyAlso, to buttress sarc's point, I have actually a transgender/transexual friend who also happens to be a vegan and a part of a hardcore band, and she is actually a registered republican. She does tend to fall more liberal on social issues but her idealogy is much like mine hence our friendship. If what we do is only affecting ourselves, no others have a right to judge.' Its sad that the media will throw people like Alexis Arquette or all these other 'drag queens' who look god awful, on purpose mind you, and that's the 'standard' for these often tormented people who now have scientific proof that it is indeed true that a person can be born one gender physically, hormonal-wise, yet have a brain they chemically is only a minute percentage different from the opposing gender.
I understand many people are 'put off' by this because when you think of 'those people' you think of some hairy, musclebound or fat sweaty man, five o clock shadow, in a dress that looks like its freaking high school prom on crack. That is not the case. This person is one of the sweetest, kindest people I know (until you talk about hilary or taxes :P) and in all honesty, anyone who saw her in public really has not a bit of a clue she was ever NOT a woman.
I understand that it's 'not for everyone' and people have the right to choose whom their friends are. I just hate seeing ANYONE on the left *or* the right, judge these people. They are human too, and I can only *imagine* what it'd be like to wake up and constantly feel like I was the wrong gender. It's a sobering thought when you convey it well to a closed mind. I would know, until I met my friend, I had assumed as well that they were all 'freaks.'
i recently read an essay on h
July 8, 2007 - 19:55 ET by botgi recently read an essay on how some issues which have nothing to do with politics often get caught up in the taking of sides:
poked genial fun at me for leaving the office early one day, so I could get back to Brooklyn in time to pick up my family’s weekly shipment of organic vegetables from the community-supported agriculture co-op to which we subscribed. “Eww, that’s so lefty,” she teased.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
exactly, my friend even said
July 8, 2007 - 20:05 ET by Binxlyexactly, my friend even said she gets tons of flak for being a registered republican.
'Why?' she asks?
'Because Bush hates gays, Conservatives are all religion nuts who hate gays!'
'I'm not gay, and besides, I hate to admit, but when Ann Coulter said that the republicans should be the party for homosexuals, she sort of had a point. people like Hilary want us to give up more of our freedoms to our government cause 'they know better.' Conservatives are for less government and more personal responsibility, a 'live and let live' view.'
The point is that not only is such a thing NOT a political issue, but it only becomes one when liberals drag it INTO the political arena. Given, I have MANY conservative friends who would beat up this poor girl because 'she's a faggy guy' or 'She's trying to *trick* me into sleeping with a guy!' or any other long list of irrational things used to justify their ignorant intolerance, but MOST conservatives, while they may not understand, could care less.
If it isn't bothering them, if this person isn't shoving THEIR lifestyle down OUR throats, then where's the beef? There is none. However, because some conservatives may not 'understand' such a thing, the liberals spin that lack of understanding into hate. Like I said, I have beef with both sides but the Conservative Republican base is at least honest and sincere, the left will spin anything in order to get what they want. I'd say George Washington was a republican in this sense because although he did a bad deed in cutting down a tree, he admitted it. If he were a liberal he'd have blamed it on the tree's weak roots.
LOL, I told you folks these
July 1, 2007 - 20:51 ET by ckc1227LOL, I told you folks these liberals have a big box of full of strips of paper with made-up "facts" written on them, and whenever they need a new story, angle, or argument, they just close their eyes, reach in the box, and pull out one of the strips of paper, and then run with it. This guy just confirms my suspicians even further.
I feel bad for Jennifer Lasko
July 1, 2007 - 20:59 ET by MidAmericaI feel bad for Jennifer Lasko, the Delray Beach firefighter who made a significant sacrifice for her favorite presidential candidate. She didn't only change political parties. Lasko had a sex change two years ago. .....Lasko donated $25 to the Obama campaign and wrote about her transformation from a Republican to a Democrat.
Oh... that explains it. I've always wondered what it took to become a democrat.
}}----> Lasko
July 1, 2007 - 21:01 ET by Cool ArrowAbandon all dorks all ye who enter here.
I knew they were a bunch of wickless donders.
" Oh... that explains i
July 1, 2007 - 21:29 ET by Blazer" Oh... that explains it. I've always wondered what it took to become a democrat"
What's that Mid America? Changing your party affilliation, or getting your cajones chopped off?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
Cutting your d!ck off doesn't
July 1, 2007 - 21:16 ET by nnptcgradCutting your d!ck off doesn't make you female! Slicing your t!ts off doesn't make you male!
At best you're neuter. Spaying my cat doesn't make it male anymore than neutering my dog makes it female. Whatever you may think, genetically you are either male or female, excluding the very, very small percentage that might have been born with genitailia of both sexes.
Mother nature is a bitch - Ninth Corollary of Murphy's Law
}}----> such language
July 1, 2007 - 21:18 ET by Cool ArrowBetter than going off half cocked far as I'm concerned
I really don't care what gend
July 1, 2007 - 21:45 ET by nnptcgradI really don't care what gender they think they are, it's the idea that surgery changes their sex that irritates me. They can cross-dress all they want ( I don't get male crossdressers. There's a reason many women wanted to wear pants- skirts are a pain in the ass, restrictive, and don't even get me started on the medieval torture devices known as fashionable shoes), but surgery is an expensive waste of money.
I also want to know if they are going to require the general public to pay for their medical bills when complications arise as they get older?
Mother nature is a bitch - Ninth Corollary of Murphy's Law
}}----> Transgendered
July 1, 2007 - 21:52 ET by Cool ArrowSeems I've already read where a municipality has required itself to fund both procedures.
I used to feel 110% the same
July 8, 2007 - 19:57 ET by BinxlyI used to feel 110% the same way you just worded that nnptc, however, there is scientific proof now out there which shows, not all, but many who are gender dysphoric as they call it, have indeed the brain chemistry only a slight 1-4% different from that of their opposing physical gender. Given, you'll always have the 'strange ones' who take it too far, or do it for attention, but these are the ones who most of the time don't get a 'green light' for surgeries and hormonal suppliments. I totally understand your point where you are comming from, you are comfortable in your gender as the vast majority of people are, but I have been given actual science behind the fact showing that a large percentage of transgendered/transexual people have a brain chemistry miles different from their physical sex and only a small difference from the opposite sex, the one they identify with. I mean it is rather odd if a boy becomes a man and at 30, all he can remember in his past is at adolescence liking dolls, wanting to wear dresses, being irrationally jealous of other girls, then in puberty hating the changes he sees and mourning the fact that he'll never grow breasts. Growing to eventually like men but not *as* a man (that was the biggest part I didnt get but someone explained it quite well to me, but to 'get it' I had to step back and be more objective and openminded.)
I'm not saying everyone needs to all understand these people or promote it, however there's alot of misinformation out there and it all stems from our inability to accept things that aren't what we can readily understand. I'm not trying to change you opinion on this nnptc, but what you said was quite brash, it'd be as if someone told you anything you felt deep down was somehow wrong and *you* the one who needs 'fixed.'
If they don't bother you, don't judge you, why feel the need to judge them?
there are settled scientific
July 8, 2007 - 20:03 ET by botgthere are settled scientific studies on this? Confirmed to be valid and reliable? Why then the hormone suppliments if the brain chemistry is already the same?
I would tend to believe that if the science were in it would have been on the front page of Time, NYT, LAT etc. (and you know what i'm talking about <Hil-tone>)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
The hormones are for the bodi
July 8, 2007 - 20:18 ET by BinxlyThe hormones are for the bodily attributes such as breasts for male to females and body hair and deepening of voice for female to males. I can absolutely get this information once I see my friend again, probably in the next week or so, but I will say I wonder if anyone here who is *staunchly* non-believing would ever be willing to change that viewpoint. One of my ONLY beefs with conservatives (and its a problem with myself as well so Im not neccessarily flaming everyone here) but its the fact that they are *so* set in their opinions that sometimes even hard facts are thrown out as 'unimportant.'
The research indicates that while the BODY is male or female, the brain and its own chemistry of how it functions, the little things, is so close to female its astounding (or male if the person is physically female.) Like I said, not ALL of people who claim this *are* genuinely dysphoric. Some just get some sexual kick out of the other sex's clothes, some are just odd and like to make heads turn (check out a crazy fellow known as Jeffree Star.) However its THOSE people who make it hard for people like my friend to be taken seriously.
All I know is since a young age she hated everything about being male, never identified as male, and I have tons of stories she's told me but I wont bore you with them, let me just say, the past she had sounds utterly tortureous. To feel what she said she felt everyday, I couldnt even bring myself to imagine it, I just couldn't do it, not cause it was too hard, but I just couldn't understand that kind of saddness.
Research aside, she never EVER asked for money for her surgeries. She thinks its flipping insane people in California can get it paid for. She isn't an overzealous activitst as she believes even the LGBT community is more hurtful than helpful as they equate even crossdressers in the same category as people like her which is completely wrong. its like saying someone with a cold and someone with cancer are equally sick simply because there is an illness in general.
Also, as for the comment of future bodily problems, while hormone treatment in the 50s-70s was highly experimental, nowadays they have a much better understanding og the effects on the body and again, its in this scientific information I mentioned before I am going to get from her to show you all, that hormones have little to no effect on the body and things like blood clots and other circulatory problems are no longer an issue with hormonal treatment and that even though full reconstructive surgery of 'down there' is quite invasive and painful, it has little to no effect on your lifespan or health.
I'm not trying to make anyone here become an advocate for transgendered people but they are people, just like you. Not so long ago when someone was sick it was first thought they were weak and were meant to die. Then we put leeches on them because we thought they were possessed or had 'blood infections and needed to be bled.' Science has since came to our rescue and given us a better understanding of ourselves genetically, chemically, and mentally. I'm just saying, wouldn't it be a shame to know these people had valid problems but because it made you uncomfortable for some rediculous reason, you went through life wrongfully judging these people as 'liars, freaks or fakes?'
Just a thought.
i agree with you, keep it to
July 8, 2007 - 20:26 ET by botgi agree with you, keep it to yourself and don't throw an agenda at me that says i must affirm their behavior simply because many in the community are so insecure. I am tolerant but not in the pc sense. (Classic tolerance says you tolerate those you disagree with: pc tolerance says everybodys right)
The science will have to meet a higher burden than usual since the lies of Kinsey took 40 years to be exposed so we know there is a group with an agenda in this academy
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
I realize I'll never 'convinc
July 8, 2007 - 20:35 ET by BinxlyI realize I'll never 'convince' you botg, but I only hope one day you realize that for some it in't as simple as 'just be normal.' Everyone is wired differently and to ostracize those merely for their differences in personality is sad. I dont mean this in a catty way but I am sad for you if you truely are *that* closed minded. I can only imagine if you woke up tomorrow a woman. Would you just 'suck it up and deal with it?' I wonder.
*PS*
I don't mean that as an atack botg, but this conversation I had which lead to my now better acceptance of such people and their plight mentally was over the course of 6 months, I realize changing one's mind to better suit situations isn't an overnight process but it was that question, 'if you woke up the opposite gender tomorrow, would you just 'deal with it?' that really got to me. I'd like you and any other people staunchly against this viewpoint that they 'aren't just crazy' to seriously think that question over. Its more complicated than a simple knee-jerk yes because 'its what God says.' I mean REALLY think of how life would change, in every aspect, THEN tell me if you think they are crazy and that they should 'just deal with it.'
why would you think i need to
July 8, 2007 - 20:40 ET by botgwhy would you think i need to be convinced? and why would you think i am closed minded? because i ask for proof and not just case-study?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
no, and again, I didnt mean t
July 8, 2007 - 21:06 ET by Binxlyno, and again, I didnt mean that as incendiary or as an attack on your character, I am merely saying, subjectively, what I have gathered from you beliefs and stances on many issues, and the steadfastness in which you stand by them (which in 99.9% of cases is a GREAT quality to have) I just feel that even with scientific proof, you would still be skeptical. Perhaps you would want a more broad study on it before you believed it. Or perhaps you'd want a catholic scientist to prove it (not being rude, just honest.) Or perhaps you would want proof that somehow there was never any money that was ever traced to LGBT organizations they may have ever passed through their hands, no matter how complex and irrelevant that pathway was.
Perhaps I'm wrong too, I am far from infallible, however, like I said, *subjectively*, in my own opinion, I gather that you have a personality and a belief system that makes it *impossible* for this issue to ever be more complex than you've already made it out to be, or, God forbid, that you may indeed be wrong and that these people DO have a very serious problem that should be fixed if possible. We don't have pills or medication that make someone's brain chemistry fit their physical bodies, and to do so would be dangerous since many of these people have over 18+ years of life with a certain identity that doesn't match 'the outside.'
My question I guess is, where is the problem to you? Is it a religious problem? That to do that is to betray god? If that's the case, what about Autism? They are born that way, isn't searching for a 'cure' going against God if you view that situation through the same glass?
Like I said, this isn't an issue about sexual perversion or sex at all, its about identity. For those that it is purely about sex, those are the fringe that give the legitimate a 'bad name.'
No one ever said you had to be friends with these people, but there's so much anger when someone comes out as 'hating catholics' and rightly so. They are judging a group of people merely based on the fact that they are not the same. However, isn't that basically what you are doing in this case?
And as I said, ask yourself that question honestly and with an open heart. If God had made you a woman tomorrow (or a man if you;re a woman, Im just assuming that you are a man) what would you do? 'Just deal with it?' I think when you honestly ask yourself that question and weigh all the societal, interpersonal, and yes, sexual aspects of such a switch, you'll better understand how some of these people feel.
Binxlyi am not a Catholic, so
July 8, 2007 - 21:24 ET by botgBinxly
i am not a Catholic, so lets put aside your presumptions of me and try again dealing with what i have posted here.
The Kinsey report was loaded with falsehood, it took 40 years for the 10% lie to be 'readjusted' to the 3-4% as accepted today. All i said was with that in mind the data will have to be examined more closely for the results to be considered "valid" and "reliable" (valid and reliable are technical terms used in statistical analysis)
have i said anything derogatory toward the gay/lesbian community? have i said anything which would lead you to think i would support laws predjudiced against G/Ls? Or is it that you take my not agreeing completely with you to be closed-minded? Perhaps you are projecting your past thought processes on me?
Binxly: Forgive me for jumpin
July 8, 2007 - 21:43 ET by QueenMumBinxly: Forgive me for jumping in. I just wanted to say that I've participated in discussions on the subject with botg. We agree on much of the religious aspects of the issue. But my religious position is not quite as cut and dried. I have a tendency to think that there's good reason to consider that not all gays choose their sexual orientation. We're finding out so much about how brain chemistry and brain function regulate behavior that I can't disallow that a percentage of gays are wired toward attraction to the "wrong" sex. Personally, I don't know what a Bible-believing Christian should think about committed relationships between such people.
I can accept botg's point of view because I believe that he/she approaches the subject with intelligence and reason. And even though botg is more certain regarding the religious prohibitions, he/she also approaches the subject without the sort of animosity toward gays as persons that some religious people do.
Again, forgive me for butting in. I just see some misunderstanding here that IMO doesn't need to be.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
Thanks QMWe're finding out so
July 8, 2007 - 21:46 ET by botgThanks QM
We're finding out so much about how brain chemistry and brain function regulate behavior that I can't disallow that a percentage of gays are wired toward attraction to the "wrong" sex
if i wasn't clear in our other talks let me say i can agree with this point you make.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Forgive the misinterpretation
July 9, 2007 - 02:36 ET by BinxlyForgive the misinterpretation botg, like I said, Im not trying to start anything or make any comments that could come off offensive, and I said I was being subjective, and that leaves my impression of you open to error. As for the catholic comment however, I was refering to the excuses many times I myself have heard and no doubt how often she has heard. These were things I believed whole heartedly. That God isn't at fault for that, that these people are just 'delusional' or 'crazy.' Like I said, even with the facts, and Im not refering to the kinsley scale, and I think we all knew it'd be crazy to think over 10% of the population is certifiably a transexual in the sense that brain wiring wise, it was as simple as 'they identify with the opposite sex.'
Like I said, we dont have medication that changes brain chemistry to a different gender, but we do have medication to make the physical appearance more in accordance to the gender they identify with. The whole 10% was taking *anyone* who said they wanted to be a woman. Big numbers cause alarm and I think, wrongfully o, they just wanted to make people aware its not so uncommon that there may not be a reason for it.
Queen Mum, I think we see close to even on the issue but as for the whole why I can now sort of understand, I can't imagine waking up tomorrow the other gender. Just the changes, everything, I'd like freak out I think. It was easy to ask myself that and dismiss it, but one day like weeks after I was first asked that question, I realized my routines, my personality, and sure maybe some of it is 'learned' or 'malleable' but Im happy where I'm at, and I DEF wouldn't be happy on the 'other side.' Thats where I sort of realized that, for me at least, a part of me, regardless of whatever rational reasons I had for doubt, part of me was afraid of God, the whole 'defending these people.' I realized that it *isn't* so crazy to believe and that I was more or less parroting whatever everyone else said because, to me it didnt matter either way.
However, having a friend, for some even a family member, but, for me, having a friend, who's going through this, been through this, I can't say it's that crazy. And as for religion, I'm a Christian, I do sometimes worry if perhaps I'm going to be seen as 'aiding blasphemy' in the afterlife or whatever follows after we die, but again, that isnt in reference to you, or botg, I just want to make it clear I am not trying to stick up for anything other than what I think is righteous and I think if these people are truely that torn, truely that dysphoric, who is anyone to stop them from living a normal life how they want to live it?
Are the hurting people? No. And I don't think that you ARE for any legislation that hinders alternative lifestyles, but let me also say, this is not the same even as the whole 'homosexual stereotype.' Sadly, many homosexuals I've encountered in my life as friends or acquaintences *did* tend to live a rather 'fast' life. They would drink often and were very sexually open. I think there is no distinction between these two. My friend may be a rare case but she has a signifigant other, they are faithful to one another and honestly act as a loving couple that gets along better than most I've ever seen.
That said, Im aware you arent homophobic and you don't want laws to restrict their lifestyle choices, but I worry, alot of people say they are tolerant but treat others like second class citizens because they are different. Like I said, you don't even have to say hi to these people, but its the thought that you might choose *not* to say hi to them merely because of their 'issue' that's what makes me sad.
Again, maybe I'm wrong, its just the vibe I get is that you are tolerant but you don't want those people anywhere near you and if they are, it becomes something you focus on solely.
Forgive me if I come off preachy, maybe its pennance, not that I was ever someone who spoke out *against* these people, there was moments though when I judged based on the simple 'weirdness' factor of the case. Its just I never really noticed how hard it probably is for the few who truely ARE suffering from such a case. The most I can do is at least try and tell people there are facts out there, get them. While it may seem odd, and there are many fringe cases who are just out for attention, but there are alot who probably just want to live their lives quietly like anyone else.
I realize I'll never 'convinc
July 8, 2007 - 20:35 ET by BinxlyI realize I'll never 'convince' you botg, but I only hope one day you realize that for some it in't as simple as 'just be normal.' Everyone is wired differently and to ostracize those merely for their differences in personality is sad. I dont mean this in a catty way but I am sad for you if you truely are *that* closed minded. I can only imagine if you woke up tomorrow a woman. Would you just 'suck it up and deal with it?' I wonder.
*PS*
I don't mean that as an atack botg, but this conversation I had which lead to my now better acceptance of such people and their plight mentally was over the course of 6 months, I realize changing one's mind to better suit situations isn't an overnight process but it was that question, 'if you woke up the opposite gender tomorrow, would you just 'deal with it?' that really got to me. I'd like you and any other people staunchly against this viewpoint that they 'aren't just crazy' to seriously think that question over. Its more complicated than a simple knee-jerk yes because 'its what God says.' I mean REALLY think of how life would change, in every aspect, THEN tell me if you think they are crazy and that they should 'just deal with it.'
who said anything about tradi
July 1, 2007 - 21:17 ET by mawendtwho said anything about trading?
barbed wire is compatible with just about anything... maw
Wow!
July 1, 2007 - 21:27 ET by c5thenHe has got to be the looniest of the moonbats yet. This guy actually believes that anyone should be able to just walk into this country in the midst of the war on terrorists and with the events that just occured in Great Brittain???!!!
And he gives his underlying racism away with this statement:
It's clear that he is just looking to make sure that he and his elitist freinds have enough maids and grounds-keepers to keep them in the style they are accustomed.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
}}----> Got that right c5then
July 1, 2007 - 21:32 ET by Cool ArrowAnd now you have to ask "Is that a grenade in your pocket, a potatoe or are you a non transgender"?
I guess this explains John Edwards...
July 1, 2007 - 21:55 ET by c5thenThe day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Again we have to ask, why doe
July 1, 2007 - 21:38 ET by dahliatraversAgain we have to ask, why does every other country get to have a border except us? Again we must request of a supposedly well informed commentator, try getting into Mexico as anything other than a tourist.
}}----> Dahlia
July 1, 2007 - 21:43 ET by Cool ArrowTry getting into Mexico from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. There's an entirely different treatment when it comes to Mexico's Illigal Immigration problem
Is it racism or hypocrisy?
July 1, 2007 - 21:51 ET by dahliatraversIs it racism or hypocrisy? "Only our people are allowed to be illegal aliens. All others stay home."
That's the dirty little secre
July 1, 2007 - 22:01 ET by Scout FinchThat's the dirty little secret behind limousine liberal's cheering of illegal immigrants to this country. Blind loyality to the Democrat system of handouts and victimology, plus, a steady supply of gardeners, maids, and servants.
". . .it's the trans-bor
July 1, 2007 - 21:46 ET by Galvanic". . .it's the trans-bordered . . ."
Trans-bordered? Gag me with a tire iron, Cerabino.
"Latin American immigrants are the new gays."
Not at all. That's actually the Dem game plan: Define illegal immigrants as an oppressed class and victims. The detail that has to be avoided is that they are not American citizens.
But illegal immigration and the failure of our Federal government to take any effective measures to counter it for 20 years, will be a campaign issue across the board in 2008, and neither the Dems nor the Reps wanted that.
Actually I wonder what would
July 1, 2007 - 22:04 ET by Scout FinchActually I wonder what would happen if Cerabino pursued the "Latin Americans and the new gays" theory. Since many Mexican men favor the tradition of "machismo", they might stay away for fear of being thought of as America's "new gays"! Wouldn't that be a shame.
}}----> Attention Rushbo
July 1, 2007 - 22:15 ET by Cool ArrowImagine the fun Rush Limbaugh could have with this.
Libs embrace Illegal Immigrants as New Gays and Transgenders.
Barak The Magic Negro (another Liberal claim) drops off the top 10 in a heartbeat.
If there's a precidence for t
July 2, 2007 - 07:46 ET by GalvanicIf there's a precedence for the situation you describe, it's gay rights and civil rights. The gay rights organizations and their parroting supporters in the MSM, were on a kick a few years back trying to equate the gay rights movement with the civil rights movement. That drew rebuke from many black Americans who were against gay marriage and other issues.
If there's a precidence for t
July 2, 2007 - 07:46 ET by GalvanicIf there's a precidence for the situation you describe, it's gay rights and civil rights. The gay rights organizations and their parroting supporters in the MSM, were on a kick a few years back trying to equate the gay rights movement with the civil rights movement. That drew rebuke from many black Americans who were against gay marriage and other issues.
Frank Cerabino
July 1, 2007 - 22:13 ET by pbthinkerFrank Cerabino's columns don't require a lot of thought. Republicans Bad, Democrats Good, and anyway to present that picture, no matter how absurd, is just fine.
Regrettably, he's typical of the writers at the Post. Those of you that comment on this can now get a taste of what it's like to live in Palm Beach County, Florida. You'll just have to trust me when I say he's typical, and that's the news section, the editorial page is even worse.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
What is Jennifer Lasko’s
July 1, 2007 - 23:45 ET by maggieqpublicWhat is Jennifer Lasko’s “significant sacrifice”? He had a well-paying job, and she still has a well-paying job… enough income to pay for the multiple surgeries required for a sex change (or perhaps, like here in San Francisco, the surgeries were a covered benefit). Before Mr. Cerabino concerns himself with immigrant scapegoats, he needs to make the case for Jennifer Lasko’s victimhood. Is someone picketing her house or sending hate mail or something? We can’t legislate universal approval for lifestyle choices, or at least we shouldn’t try to….
Frank Cerabino exposes himself
July 2, 2007 - 00:57 ET by Lame CherryWhen the Palm Beach Post notices that Frank Cerabino has revealed that people with sexual malfunction in defining their entire lives by "sexual acts" are all democrats, is teh PBP going to fire Cerabino?
Cerabino in trying to write a hit piece on Christians has done the exact opposite in showing perverts are not only democrats, but championed by the PBP. I use the term pervert in it's pure form as a pervert is defined as a person whose sexual behavior deviates from what is accepted.
Having yourself spayed or neutered is not exactly a normal practice and Cerabino defines these people AKIN TO CRIMINALS in illegals busting the border. Calling sexual people who have deviated from the course criminals is something the PBP will liberally frown at Cerabino over.
This is what happens when one has liberals like Cerabino exposes his deep dark cocktail party id. He views homosexuals and transexuals as tools to a political end which just happen to be perverted to him and more liberals than they are to the Christians they attack.
Liberals enable homosexuals and transgenders in the most hateful way as I wrote of long ago in telling them to basically ruin their lives and then go administer a form of suicide whether by pill or by disease. That is the real hate in this and not Christians pointing out that sexual deviancy is a deathstyle and not a lifestyle. Rose O'Donnell in her manifestations of self destruction are a perfect example.........Barbara Walters and ABC just enable her, others seek to enable her and no one in liberal land is trying to get her to get some real help from a Christian counsellor who would treat her soul as the mind can be convinced of anything.
Frank Cerabino exposed himself though and the PBP in ways his too smart diatribe never was thought of.
*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS
christian counselor? I app
July 8, 2007 - 20:27 ET by Binxlychristian counselor?
I appreciate your seemingly sincere concern for these 'perverts' and Im not offended as you are correct, they do deviate from the main sexual viewpoint, but only when you look at it as a sexual issue. Its NOT just sex for these people. Its about Identity. If you're a woman, imagine tomorrow all your femenine features gone, repalced by a male exterior and more body hair that you ever grew on your head in your life, now sporadically placed over your body. When you go out in public you are 'sirred' and are mocked for all your femenine tendencies and inclinations toward a femenine life. You are mocked as 'gay' for liking men even though you don't find the idea of you AS a man with a man but rather as a woman.
Again, as I said, I think you are being compassionate when you say 'with help from a christian counselor they can find the way.' It was said just a few posts up that we shouldn't legislate one form of lifestyle as the only acceptable one. I ask my friend, isn't that pretty much what you a proposing? No one on the side of transgendered people is asking you to let your daught date a trans man or your son date a trans woman, no one is asking you to invite these people over for dinner, or God forbid, interact with them, but I will say the one transgendered person I knew I almost never did due to blind hate and the fact that it didnt make sense religiously to me. Hpwever, this person is not only 'normal' but a funny, compassionate, sweet, kind-hearted *conservative* (hehe) who would do anything for anyone, even those would never help her or even cause harm to her. She has more inner-strength than anyone I know.
Wouldn't it be a shame if you could miss out on such a friendship merely because someone is different from you?
I'm confused. Why didn't she
July 2, 2007 - 08:55 ET by Hero SquadI'm confused. Why didn't she just go to the worker's paradise of Cuba for the operation, since they have such a highly vaunted medical system that cares for all and openly embraces all lifestyle choices. And free of charge to boot!
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
mutants
July 2, 2007 - 10:56 ET by m1xramThis story needs something... it has aliens... it has some of the gender challenged... but it doesn't have any MUTANT SPACE CREATURES! This is a clear case of discrimination and makes his story incomplete. Maybe next time he'll do a better job.
m1xram
Of course.
July 3, 2007 - 06:01 ET by MRNWhere exactly can I go to trade my Bibles for barbed wire? I need quite a bit to keep homosexual Mexicans out of the country.
I can't believe Frank Cerabino is actually paid for this.
I'm very confused. Can some
July 3, 2007 - 16:14 ET by dahliatraversI'm very confused. Can someone please clarify what I should be phobic of as a member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.