Another WTC 7 smoking gun! (like there needs to be anymore?)
By ThoughtPolice June 19, 2007 - 18:05 ET
Ehh, I'm so tired of explaining 9/11 evidence on here its not even funny. To those of you who have an inkling of intelligence in your brain, you'll want to read/hear this.
I have to admit...I didn't want to give the "conspiracy theorists" a leg to stand on. I wouldn't believe that there could ever be a coverup around an issue like this, and I looked at some of the sites with the sole intention of trying to find a route back to the official story.
Unfortunately, the 9/11 Truth Movement has done a better job of investigating FACTS, and the official story is asking for us to act on FAITH. I am logical, and usually look for facts, and in this matter, it just seems that there is still a lot to investigate.
I'm not saying I believe them, but I do think that enough has been brought forward to warrant a truly open investigation with no stonewalling from government.
The facts don't add up:
- Reports of military planes hitting WTC
- Impossible flight path for Pentagon plane
- Reports of Flight 93 landing and being evacuated
- Molten Metal in WTC
- WTC 7 (everything about that building is wrong)
- Demolition Charges seen in footage
- Reports of heavy work going on in the WTC beforehand
- WTC power outages beforehand.
- BBC reporting the fall of WTC before it happened.
There are so many questions that the official story looks like the conspiracy theory. Remember, blind faith is NOT American...it's something people do in a fascist state. Question authority, question the story...find out the truth for yourself...don't just believe people who have demonstrated time and time again that they cannot be trusted with anything.
Hey, guess what, TP....It looks like Michael Moore, that paragon of honesty and truth, will be joining your Fantasy League. I say it's a great match.....you guys should start publishing trading cards or something.....
No word yet if he'll be bringing his own TP to help the "movement".... :^>
LBZ-- Oh well if a "security official" heard explosions in a building hit by a fully fueled Jumbo jet, then it MUST be true.
After all, it's a well known fact that "security officials" know everything about everything.
"Security officials" can be counted upon never to be wrong. That's a well know fact, end of argument. (Except for the 99% of other "security officials" who think this guy is a frackin' loon, nah -- they are ones who are wrong.)
"Security officials" would never be left wing loons.
I bet he's good to his mom too -- because, like I said, he's a "security official."
Did you know that "security officials" never beat their wives either. Because they are "security officials," ergo they are beyond reproach.
To paraphrase George Washington: "I cannot tell a lie. I am a security official."
In fact, I can't wait for a security official to run for President, as he will surely win.
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Oh, what a surprise. First, attacks by name calling, then Unsane plays his "logistics" card, and Bauer makes a funny.
Unfortunately, all three are wrong. First, name calling only makes you look like a fool, not me. Second, logistics is usually what is asked of the ones who perpetrated the crime and AFTER the evidence has been gathered (unless your columbo).
Third, building 7 wasn't hit by a plane, and it doesn't take a security official to figure that out.
Um, TP, the event HAS happened, and if this was the grand, ballyhooed conspiracy you insist that it is, you should be able to answer ALL of those questions with extreme ease.
Instead, you showcase your intellectual bankruptcy and complete inability to critically think by not answering those simple little questions.
Building 7 (which you so obsess over) could just as easily be severely damaged by falling debris. I have been to the site and saw extensive damage to other structures there, and that was over 2 years after it happened.
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Thought, why the heck do you keep rehashing the same old stuff. I don't think you understand the logistics of what you are accusing the adminstration of.
Sorry my friend it dosen't pass the smell test.
By the way, could you hyperlink this stuff because this computer trys to copy everything.
Let's discuss this for a minute. First, this isn't the same old stuff. Anything I post about 9/11 is up to date, meaning it's never been seen or heard before.
Second, lets take logistics of WTC 7. If elements of the gov't were involved as many believe (myself included), then how hard would it be to install demolotion charges in a building that houses the secret service, FBI, and CIA. Even if only 1 of 3 were involved, they could easily pass people off as "workers doing maintenance."
Obviously, it would take an organization like that to pull a 9/11 style attack off. No one in a cave with a boxcutter could even attempt this unless they were helped from the inside.
Mark Roberts (of the link someone posted about wtc7 lies) seems to be a good guy. He can debate very well making legitimate claims sound illegitimate, as I have seen him do many times. However, he is wrong. His evidence does not stand up to scrutiny. He cannot account for molten metal under all 3 buildings, the sudden onset of collapse of all 3 buildings, the free fall speed, etc. because no one can unless you consider controlled demolition.
For example, here is the type of arguing that he would do. Dr. Steven Jones has recently discovered iron rich spheres in dust samples collected from a woman who had an apartment by the WTC (this is iron that was melted down and reshaped into spheres due to surface tension). Mark Roberts would rationally say that that particular dust and samples had to have come from steel that was cut by workers removing debris. Although that is a logical argument, it doesn't take into account the fact that her apartment was above ground level (where the cutting would have been done) and thus no way for that to get into her apartment. However, when the buildings were coming down and exploding out several hundred feet, that would be the perfect time.
TP, man you should take a creative writing class and become the next Grisham. Lets just ask one glaringly obvious question. If the government was trying to hide all this, why on earth would they let this schmuck live? It doesn't pass the TinPhoil hat test.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Why are you asking me why someone else hasn't knocked someone off? It's like Insane's "logistic" questions, your asking the wrong guy. If I could prove who planted explosives (as opposed to whether explosives were planted which can easily be proven) then I wouldn't be here, I'd be in a court room.
Killing one person won't end their problems. They'd have to kill thousands of people who question the official story (and thats not including average citizens) which would obviously be to hide something making them look more guilty.
Fact: The analyzing of AA77 (that supposedly hit the pentagon) flight data recorder show an inconsistent flight path with that of the official story. The plane was too high to hit the building and too far off course to knock down the light poles. Evidence here
Fact: Molten metal under all 3 buildings which means temperatures of more than 2800 degrees fahrenheit. Iron rich spheres in the dust samples taken by Dr. Jones AS WELL AS the United States geological survey with no explanation. Evidence Here
Fact: Dr. Jones analysis has also uncovered traces of thermate, including manganese, potassium, and other compounds that comprise the substance.
All the information you need is out there, you just have to look. If you want more evidence or sources please ask.
The only FACT you are working with is the FACT that your a moron!!!!!!! Your going to hell for this and so are all your crazy ass buddies!!!!! Don't you think if ALL THIS was true, the Liberal MSM would be all over it.They would love to prove Bush/Cheney are the devil. Also, paranoia is a symptom of some pretty serious illnesses, maybe you need to see a doc. On second thought, DON'T!
First, 9/11 truth is not left/right or liberal vs conservative. If you don't believe me, check out my post "9/11 truth just against repubs? think again."
9/11 truth goes after ANYONE who is complicit in the cover up, willing or not, of 9/11. That is why the organization wearechange.org have confronted several top name democrats as well as republicans. Check out the clip of them confronting "queen" Hilary, or Joseph Biden. They ask them the questions that no other main stream news would dare ask.
Second, it would not surprise me if Clinton knew/knows about the 9/11 cover up. After all, he was involved in allowing the CIA to run drugs right in his own backyard (google search "mena arkansas clinton drugs" or something similar and you can find out what I'm talking about)
Third, you are a newbie because it is clear you have done absolutely NO research into 9/11 outside of what faux news tells you.
Go to any of these sites so that you may have cognitive liberty (freedom of the mind)
"Third, you are a newbie because it is clear you have done absolutely NO research into 9/11 outside of what faux news tells you."
According you your statement in bold above, you think that just because someone is "new" here they haven't done any research into 9/11 or anything else? Or that anyone that disagrees with the 9/11 "truther" hacks must've been indoctrinated by FOX News. Remember, shannon20 has only been registered for a couple weeks, she (assumption of gender from the name...and feistiness) could've been a silent observer for months or even years. The beginning of one's knowledge on most subjects covered here (hopefully) doesn't begin the day they register to post.
Your assertion that she believes everything FOX News tells her can easily be turned right back around on you because you clearly believe everything any 9/11 "truther" tells you.
And what if she's never heard of or seen FOX News? What then? How would you explain her disagreement with the "truthers"? Could it be that maybe, just maybe she has done independent research to come to her own conclusions?
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The filter on this LAN blocks access to your link...I'll check it out later.
I know it's probably futile, I guess I hope that he's the type that would eventually give up trying to fight if he got a boot to the head everytime he got cocky.
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I've got a bit of the German blood too...my German great-grandmother would sit on her porch quitely reading or knitting until a crow would land in her cherry tree, then she'd grab the shotgun propped against the house and shoot "those damned flying rats!"
That's the same kind of feistiness I insisted my wife would have...and she does--if not more...but then, my wife is Scottish.
Welcome to the boards, I have enjoyed your posts so far, and look forward to more.
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"Fact: The analyzing of AA77 (that supposedly hit the pentagon) flight data recorder show an inconsistent flight path with that of the official story. The plane was too high to hit the building and too far off course to knock down the light poles."
So how do you account for the hundreds or thousands of people commuting into DC that morning who saw the plane actually hit the Pentagon? Smoke and mirror effects? A trick of light?
And what "really" happened to the plane? Where did it go if not into the building? A google video (whose source is nebulous) is not worth an hour of my time.
"Fire collapsing a building for the first time in history..."
I'm sorry, but I just can't pretend that you didn't just say that. Why don't you think about that statement a little. Also, "squibs" are not capable of bringing down a building of that size.
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Just out of curiosity, have you visited your local fire station in person and asked any trained firemen their opinion on this subject? If you have'nt yet, but plan to, ask them about steel trusses and let us know what they say.
Point me to any other steel frame building that has been hit by a fully fuelled Jumbo on maximum thrust (550 mph) dickhead. (that would be you, dickhead)
Though I'm no conspiracy theorist, I'm not the kind of person who completely dismisses government conspiracies. Is the government ever involved in conspiracies? Of course. The recent disclosure of secret CIA documents proves that. Many governments partake in seedy activities. But the idea that an attack of this magnitude could have been pulled off and covered up so easily? These are the same people who could not cover up a President getting head in the Oval Office (pardon my language). The same people who could not cover up a simple hotel break-in during Watergate. Yet these people organized the greatest attack on American soil, and managed to keep it secret. Silenced thousands of firemen, police officers, civilians, architects, etc. Wow! These guys are good.
Not everyone is silent anymore. Granted, none of these people are insider whistleblowers, but you don't need that. They can prove the official gov't story to be false.
Conclusions: AA77 could not have hit the Pentagon based on the NTSB animation created from the Black box.
The signature of Thermate is found in both steel and dust samples. As well, micron sized iron rich spheres are discovered in the dust by the U.S.G.S., RLee insurance investigators, and Professor Steven E. Jones. The only way for steel to have melted is from temperatures in excess of 2,500 degress F, Impossible for jet fuel/office fires.
The evidence is out there, we (you) just need to stop pretending it's not.
Were any of these pilots, architects, engineers, scientists, or scholars there? Why are people so quick to blindly accept the word of "experts" when those directly involved disavow any conspiracy? Why have no firemen or police come forth to blow the whistle on this vast government conspiracy? Not even the ones suffering from ailments due to exposure to toxins that the government said weren't there, and for which Mikey Moore took them to Cuba? I would think people so abused by their own government would leap at the opportunity to expose such a crime against the citizens of this country. So where are they? How do you explain the crashing silence from the responders who were actually there?
If we had an opposition political party that had some moxy, Democrats would be down so low they'd use their asses for hats. Carter and Clinton appointed so many inept people (Plame, Karpinski, Reno, Gorelick -- gee, all women!) who served to undermine our security and defense. Bush never even mentions Democrats (a/k/a Marxists of America) by name, maybe for fear of offending Ted "Puffy Drunk" Kennedy (a good friend of former White House chief of staff Andy Card). I think we're all getting sold down the river.
If you're so "tired" of explaining, here's a tip....maybe you ought to quit since nobody is buying it.
"To those of you who have an inkling of intelligence in your brain (opposed to somewhere else I guess), you'll want to read/hear this.
Here's the problem, if we don't then how do you expect someone to believe the tripe your spewing and if we do have the intelligence then one would expect and intelligent person not to fall in line with you. Anywho, your tripe is at least comical. I bet you're a LARP, I'd bet ten bucks on it. So I think it's best that you go ahead and get your exit visa and head back to good old Asshatistan, thanks for visiting, buh bye.
You still have not answered the most important question on the most profound "inside job" ever:
We’ve all heard the “official conspiracy theory” of the Death Star
attack. We all know about Luke Skywalker and his ragtag bunch of
rebels, how they mounted a foolhardy attack on the most powerful, well-
defended battle station ever built. And we’ve all seen the video over,
and over, and over, of the one-in-a-million shot that resulted in a
massive chain reaction that not just damaged, but completely
obliterated that massive technological wonder.
Like many Americans, I was fed this story when I was growing up. But
as I watched the video, I began to realize that all was not as it
seemed. And the more I questioned the official story, the deeper into
the rabbit hole I went.
Presented here are some of the results of my soul-searching regarding
this painful event. Like many citizens, I have many questions that I
would like answered: was the mighty Imperial government really too
incompetent to prevent a handful of untrained nerf-herders from
destroying one of their most prized assets? Or are they hiding
something from us? Who was really behind the attack? Why did they want
the Death Star destroyed? No matter what the answers, we have a
problem.
1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses
of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire
planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?
2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station’s large
fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders
from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who,
and why?
3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star
reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its
destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several
individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?
4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth
Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in
fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?
5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally
pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord
Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was
also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that
had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the
highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to
fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know
something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn’t?
6) How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust
port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to
fame was his ability to “bullseye womprats” on Tatooine? This shot,
according to one pilot, would be “impossible, even for a computer.”
Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired
the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly
firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. Why have these
discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?
7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids
who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by
none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by
the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be
Lord Vader’s son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to
one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader’s teacher many
years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the
conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to
be coincidences?
8) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a
moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital
ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore,
analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show
numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding
completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed
explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?
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It is always good to hear
August 4, 2007 - 10:53 ET by Roger the ShrubberIt is always good to hear from that 1/4 of the population...
I have to admit...I didn't
August 3, 2007 - 15:19 ET by radiofreebcI have to admit...I didn't want to give the "conspiracy theorists" a leg to stand on. I wouldn't believe that there could ever be a coverup around an issue like this, and I looked at some of the sites with the sole intention of trying to find a route back to the official story.
Unfortunately, the 9/11 Truth Movement has done a better job of investigating FACTS, and the official story is asking for us to act on FAITH. I am logical, and usually look for facts, and in this matter, it just seems that there is still a lot to investigate.
I'm not saying I believe them, but I do think that enough has been brought forward to warrant a truly open investigation with no stonewalling from government.
The facts don't add up:
- Reports of military planes hitting WTC
- Impossible flight path for Pentagon plane
- Reports of Flight 93 landing and being evacuated
- Molten Metal in WTC
- WTC 7 (everything about that building is wrong)
- Demolition Charges seen in footage
- Reports of heavy work going on in the WTC beforehand
- WTC power outages beforehand.
- BBC reporting the fall of WTC before it happened.
There are so many questions that the official story looks like the conspiracy theory. Remember, blind faith is NOT American...it's something people do in a fascist state. Question authority, question the story...find out the truth for yourself...don't just believe people who have demonstrated time and time again that they cannot be trusted with anything.
Impeach Bush, and vote for Ron Paul in 2008!
Hey guess what, TP?
June 19, 2007 - 18:15 ET by RJHey, guess what, TP....It looks like Michael Moore, that paragon of honesty and truth, will be joining your Fantasy League. I say it's a great match.....you guys should start publishing trading cards or something.....
No word yet if he'll be bringing his own TP to help the "movement".... :^>
TP...See you were released ea
June 19, 2007 - 18:20 ET by bigtimerTP...
See you were released early again for the week...summer-time special or some-such?
The ULTIMATE smoking gun is t
June 20, 2007 - 00:57 ET by UnsaneThe ULTIMATE smoking gun is the logistics questions. You know, the ones that the Conspiros cannot and will not answer?
Do I need to repost them?
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Just when you think liberals
June 20, 2007 - 03:50 ET by liberal_bug_zapperJust when you think liberals can't get any more stupid... they do this.
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LBZ-- Oh well if a "se
June 20, 2007 - 04:28 ET by Jack BauerLBZ-- Oh well if a "security official" heard explosions in a building hit by a fully fueled Jumbo jet, then it MUST be true.
After all, it's a well known fact that "security officials" know everything about everything.
"Security officials" can be counted upon never to be wrong. That's a well know fact, end of argument. (Except for the 99% of other "security officials" who think this guy is a frackin' loon, nah -- they are ones who are wrong.)
"Security officials" would never be left wing loons.
I bet he's good to his mom too -- because, like I said, he's a "security official."
Did you know that "security officials" never beat their wives either. Because they are "security officials," ergo they are beyond reproach.
To paraphrase George Washington: "I cannot tell a lie. I am a security official."
In fact, I can't wait for a security official to run for President, as he will surely win.
Oh, what a surprise. First,
June 20, 2007 - 08:20 ET by ThoughtPoliceOh, what a surprise. First, attacks by name calling, then Unsane plays his "logistics" card, and Bauer makes a funny.
Unfortunately, all three are wrong. First, name calling only makes you look like a fool, not me. Second, logistics is usually what is asked of the ones who perpetrated the crime and AFTER the evidence has been gathered (unless your columbo).
Third, building 7 wasn't hit by a plane, and it doesn't take a security official to figure that out.
TP if you have already made
June 20, 2007 - 08:44 ET by MightyMouthTP if you have already made up your mind then don't CLICK THIS. However, if you are still open minded on this subject then by all means do CLICK THIS.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Chapter 11 in critical thinking
June 27, 2007 - 01:28 ET by UnsaneUm, TP, the event HAS happened, and if this was the grand, ballyhooed conspiracy you insist that it is, you should be able to answer ALL of those questions with extreme ease.
Instead, you showcase your intellectual bankruptcy and complete inability to critically think by not answering those simple little questions.
Building 7 (which you so obsess over) could just as easily be severely damaged by falling debris. I have been to the site and saw extensive damage to other structures there, and that was over 2 years after it happened.
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Thought, why the heck do yo
June 20, 2007 - 08:28 ET by Airforce_5_OThought, why the heck do you keep rehashing the same old stuff. I don't think you understand the logistics of what you are accusing the adminstration of.
Sorry my friend it dosen't pass the smell test.
By the way, could you hyperlink this stuff because this computer trys to copy everything.
Link HereLet's discuss this
June 20, 2007 - 11:00 ET by ThoughtPoliceLink Here
Let's discuss this for a minute. First, this isn't the same old stuff. Anything I post about 9/11 is up to date, meaning it's never been seen or heard before.
Second, lets take logistics of WTC 7. If elements of the gov't were involved as many believe (myself included), then how hard would it be to install demolotion charges in a building that houses the secret service, FBI, and CIA. Even if only 1 of 3 were involved, they could easily pass people off as "workers doing maintenance."
Obviously, it would take an organization like that to pull a 9/11 style attack off. No one in a cave with a boxcutter could even attempt this unless they were helped from the inside.
Mark Roberts (of the link someone posted about wtc7 lies) seems to be a good guy. He can debate very well making legitimate claims sound illegitimate, as I have seen him do many times. However, he is wrong. His evidence does not stand up to scrutiny. He cannot account for molten metal under all 3 buildings, the sudden onset of collapse of all 3 buildings, the free fall speed, etc. because no one can unless you consider controlled demolition.
For example, here is the type of arguing that he would do. Dr. Steven Jones has recently discovered iron rich spheres in dust samples collected from a woman who had an apartment by the WTC (this is iron that was melted down and reshaped into spheres due to surface tension). Mark Roberts would rationally say that that particular dust and samples had to have come from steel that was cut by workers removing debris. Although that is a logical argument, it doesn't take into account the fact that her apartment was above ground level (where the cutting would have been done) and thus no way for that to get into her apartment. However, when the buildings were coming down and exploding out several hundred feet, that would be the perfect time.
So, it sounds logical yea, but it's not.
TP, man you should take a c
June 20, 2007 - 11:07 ET by The Wicked ConservativeTP, man you should take a creative writing class and become the next Grisham. Lets just ask one glaringly obvious question. If the government was trying to hide all this, why on earth would they let this schmuck live? It doesn't pass the TinPhoil hat test.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Grisham is fiction, I work
June 20, 2007 - 13:03 ET by ThoughtPoliceGrisham is fiction, I work only with fact.
Why are you asking me why someone else hasn't knocked someone off? It's like Insane's "logistic" questions, your asking the wrong guy. If I could prove who planted explosives (as opposed to whether explosives were planted which can easily be proven) then I wouldn't be here, I'd be in a court room.
Killing one person won't end their problems. They'd have to kill thousands of people who question the official story (and thats not including average citizens) which would obviously be to hide something making them look more guilty.
Fact: The analyzing of AA77 (that supposedly hit the pentagon) flight data recorder show an inconsistent flight path with that of the official story. The plane was too high to hit the building and too far off course to knock down the light poles. Evidence here
Fact: Molten metal under all 3 buildings which means temperatures of more than 2800 degrees fahrenheit. Iron rich spheres in the dust samples taken by Dr. Jones AS WELL AS the United States geological survey with no explanation. Evidence Here
Fact: Dr. Jones analysis has also uncovered traces of thermate, including manganese, potassium, and other compounds that comprise the substance.
All the information you need is out there, you just have to look. If you want more evidence or sources please ask.
"Grisham is fiction, I
June 20, 2007 - 13:08 ET by MightyMouth"Grisham is fiction, I work only with fact."
ROFLMAO!!!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
The only FACT you are working
June 22, 2007 - 08:38 ET by shannon20The only FACT you are working with is the FACT that your a moron!!!!!!! Your going to hell for this and so are all your crazy ass buddies!!!!! Don't you think if ALL THIS was true, the Liberal MSM would be all over it.They would love to prove Bush/Cheney are the devil. Also, paranoia is a symptom of some pretty serious illnesses, maybe you need to see a doc. On second thought, DON'T!
}}----> bldg 7
June 22, 2007 - 08:50 ET by Cool ArrowThe scientific consensus of ex VIEW hosts is that Bush/Cheney brought down bldg 7 with explosives to hide Ken Lay's involvement in ENRON collapse.
Records show Ken Lay stayed in the Lincoln bedroom numerous times and played golf with the President.
That the President he visited in the White House was Bill Clinton is not germaine to the conspiracy.
So I guess the Presidency did
June 22, 2007 - 08:58 ET by shannon20So I guess the Presidency didn't exist until 2000? I guess TP can ask Ken Lay about it when he gets to Hell!
Hmm, seems we have a newbie o
June 22, 2007 - 09:43 ET by ThoughtPoliceHmm, seems we have a newbie on our hands.
First, 9/11 truth is not left/right or liberal vs conservative. If you don't believe me, check out my post "9/11 truth just against repubs? think again."
9/11 truth goes after ANYONE who is complicit in the cover up, willing or not, of 9/11. That is why the organization wearechange.org have confronted several top name democrats as well as republicans. Check out the clip of them confronting "queen" Hilary, or Joseph Biden. They ask them the questions that no other main stream news would dare ask.
Second, it would not surprise me if Clinton knew/knows about the 9/11 cover up. After all, he was involved in allowing the CIA to run drugs right in his own backyard (google search "mena arkansas clinton drugs" or something similar and you can find out what I'm talking about)
Third, you are a newbie because it is clear you have done absolutely NO research into 9/11 outside of what faux news tells you.
Go to any of these sites so that you may have cognitive liberty (freedom of the mind)
www.pilotsfor911truth.org
www.ae911truth.org
www.stj911.org
The information is out there, you just have to ....look..
"Third, you are a newbie
June 22, 2007 - 10:35 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Third, you are a newbie because it is clear you have done absolutely NO research into 9/11 outside of what faux news tells you."
According you your statement in bold above, you think that just because someone is "new" here they haven't done any research into 9/11 or anything else? Or that anyone that disagrees with the 9/11 "truther" hacks must've been indoctrinated by FOX News. Remember, shannon20 has only been registered for a couple weeks, she (assumption of gender from the name...and feistiness) could've been a silent observer for months or even years. The beginning of one's knowledge on most subjects covered here (hopefully) doesn't begin the day they register to post.
Your assertion that she believes everything FOX News tells her can easily be turned right back around on you because you clearly believe everything any 9/11 "truther" tells you.
And what if she's never heard of or seen FOX News? What then? How would you explain her disagreement with the "truthers"? Could it be that maybe, just maybe she has done independent research to come to her own conclusions?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Mean Gene, do you know you are debating this guy?
June 22, 2007 - 10:44 ET by acaiguanaMean Gene, do you know you are debating this guy?
Box of rocks. :-)
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
The filter on this LAN blocks
June 22, 2007 - 11:12 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThe filter on this LAN blocks access to your link...I'll check it out later.
I know it's probably futile, I guess I hope that he's the type that would eventually give up trying to fight if he got a boot to the head everytime he got cocky.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Thanks Mean Gene, I am a Fema
June 22, 2007 - 16:27 ET by shannon20Thanks Mean Gene, I am a Female. I have been coming here for a while. You are correct about the feistiness, it must be the German blood. :)
I've got a bit of the German
June 22, 2007 - 16:40 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI've got a bit of the German blood too...my German great-grandmother would sit on her porch quitely reading or knitting until a crow would land in her cherry tree, then she'd grab the shotgun propped against the house and shoot "those damned flying rats!"
That's the same kind of feistiness I insisted my wife would have...and she does--if not more...but then, my wife is Scottish.
Welcome to the boards, I have enjoyed your posts so far, and look forward to more.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
"Fact: The analyzing of
June 28, 2007 - 07:27 ET by NCConservative"Fact: The analyzing of AA77 (that supposedly hit the pentagon) flight data recorder show an inconsistent flight path with that of the official story. The plane was too high to hit the building and too far off course to knock down the light poles."
So how do you account for the hundreds or thousands of people commuting into DC that morning who saw the plane actually hit the Pentagon? Smoke and mirror effects? A trick of light?
And what "really" happened to the plane? Where did it go if not into the building? A google video (whose source is nebulous) is not worth an hour of my time.
Is that you, Fates?
June 22, 2007 - 09:59 ET by Roger the ShrubberIs that you, Fates?
B. J. Edwards? hmmm... &qu
June 22, 2007 - 10:01 ET by MightyMouthB. J. Edwards? hmmm...
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
B. J. Edwards? hmmm...
June 22, 2007 - 10:13 ET by MightyMouthdamn!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Wow!I think the shoe fits!Tha
June 22, 2007 - 10:40 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveWow!
I think the shoe fits!
Thanks Rog.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Sorry. New to this site, thou
June 29, 2007 - 00:06 ET by LelandSorry. New to this site, though I've been following posts for a while. But, is there anything that isn't a conspiracy theory to this guy?
Leland, in a word, no.Build T
June 29, 2007 - 00:14 ET by Airforce_5_OLeland, in a word, no.
Build The Fence
It is what it is. I see a
June 29, 2007 - 11:39 ET by ThoughtPoliceIt is what it is.
I see a 47 storey building falling at near freefall speed in 6.6 seconds, almost perfectly symmetrical, falling in the middle first, with squibs.
You see a building falling because of damage and fire.
Which sounds more logical? Fire collapsing a building for the first time in history or what appears to be a near perfect controlled demolition.
"Fire collapsing a build
June 29, 2007 - 13:49 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Fire collapsing a building for the first time in history..."
I'm sorry, but I just can't pretend that you didn't just say that. Why don't you think about that statement a little. Also, "squibs" are not capable of bringing down a building of that size.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Sorry, Fire collapsing a st
June 29, 2007 - 14:59 ET by ThoughtPoliceSorry, Fire collapsing a steel framed building for the first time in history...
And my understanding of 'squib' is the shot of dust and debris out the window from the blast..not some chinese firecracker..
The problem is you said whi
June 29, 2007 - 15:02 ET by balboaThe problem is you said which is more logical. Our government finding a way to wire the World Trade Center and then blowing it up is not logical.
The "squib" stuff is simply the air and debris being blown out in advance of the falling floors.
Lol...and squibs can go opp
June 29, 2007 - 16:35 ET by ThoughtPoliceLol...and squibs can go opposite the direction of gravity? The squibs in building 7 go from the bottom to the top. Explain that one..haha..
ThoughtPolice - are you a sup
June 29, 2007 - 15:05 ET by florida_chadThoughtPolice - are you a supporter of the 2nd amendment?
Hi ThoughtPolice,Just out of
June 29, 2007 - 15:39 ET by KarmaHi ThoughtPolice,
Just out of curiosity, have you visited your local fire station in person and asked any trained firemen their opinion on this subject? If you have'nt yet, but plan to, ask them about steel trusses and let us know what they say.
I don't need to. Point me t
June 29, 2007 - 16:36 ET by ThoughtPoliceI don't need to. Point me to any steel framed high rise building collapsing due to fire/damage before or since 9/11 and I'll take back what I said.
Waiting...
Something happening for the f
June 29, 2007 - 18:56 ET by KarmaSomething happening for the first time in history might be extraordinary at the time, but not impossible. Do you agree?
Point me to any other steel
June 29, 2007 - 18:59 ET by Jack BauerPoint me to any other steel frame building that has been hit by a fully fuelled Jumbo on maximum thrust (550 mph) dickhead. (that would be you, dickhead)
WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane
June 29, 2007 - 21:35 ET by ThoughtPoliceWTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane...
I think I know! Any buildings with the lease owner Larry Silverstein will fall due to fire!!
Try warehouses. Typically,
July 13, 2007 - 01:38 ET by UnsaneTry warehouses. Typically, their roofing supports are made of steel, and are so arranged that if one of them fails, they will ALL come craching down.
Take a look at any major warehouse fire in the past...oh, I don't know, 50 or so years.
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
Though I'm no conspiracy theo
June 30, 2007 - 00:44 ET by LelandThough I'm no conspiracy theorist, I'm not the kind of person who completely dismisses government conspiracies. Is the government ever involved in conspiracies? Of course. The recent disclosure of secret CIA documents proves that. Many governments partake in seedy activities. But the idea that an attack of this magnitude could have been pulled off and covered up so easily? These are the same people who could not cover up a President getting head in the Oval Office (pardon my language). The same people who could not cover up a simple hotel break-in during Watergate. Yet these people organized the greatest attack on American soil, and managed to keep it secret. Silenced thousands of firemen, police officers, civilians, architects, etc. Wow! These guys are good.
Pilots: www.pilotsfor911tru
June 30, 2007 - 17:32 ET by ThoughtPolicePilots: www.pilotsfor911trut...
architects/engineers: www.ae911truth.org
scientists/scholars: www.stj911.org
Not everyone is silent anymore. Granted, none of these people are insider whistleblowers, but you don't need that. They can prove the official gov't story to be false.
Conclusions: AA77 could not have hit the Pentagon based on the NTSB animation created from the Black box.
The signature of Thermate is found in both steel and dust samples. As well, micron sized iron rich spheres are discovered in the dust by the U.S.G.S., RLee insurance investigators, and Professor Steven E. Jones. The only way for steel to have melted is from temperatures in excess of 2,500 degress F, Impossible for jet fuel/office fires.
The evidence is out there, we (you) just need to stop pretending it's not.
Were any of these pilots, arc
July 9, 2007 - 13:21 ET by BeowulfWere any of these pilots, architects, engineers, scientists, or scholars there? Why are people so quick to blindly accept the word of "experts" when those directly involved disavow any conspiracy? Why have no firemen or police come forth to blow the whistle on this vast government conspiracy? Not even the ones suffering from ailments due to exposure to toxins that the government said weren't there, and for which Mikey Moore took them to Cuba? I would think people so abused by their own government would leap at the opportunity to expose such a crime against the citizens of this country. So where are they? How do you explain the crashing silence from the responders who were actually there?
Now I'm waiting TP...
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Clinton-Carter are the real 9/11 perpetrators
July 10, 2007 - 16:11 ET by j17ghsIf we had an opposition political party that had some moxy, Democrats would be down so low they'd use their asses for hats. Carter and Clinton appointed so many inept people (Plame, Karpinski, Reno, Gorelick -- gee, all women!) who served to undermine our security and defense. Bush never even mentions Democrats (a/k/a Marxists of America) by name, maybe for fear of offending Ted "Puffy Drunk" Kennedy (a good friend of former White House chief of staff Andy Card). I think we're all getting sold down the river.
Asshat/Clown/LARP Alert
July 13, 2007 - 08:27 ET by Sua Sponte 75If you're so "tired" of explaining, here's a tip....maybe you ought to quit since nobody is buying it.
"To those of you who have an inkling of intelligence in your brain (opposed to somewhere else I guess), you'll want to read/hear this.
Here's the problem, if we don't then how do you expect someone to believe the tripe your spewing and if we do have the intelligence then one would expect and intelligent person not to fall in line with you. Anywho, your tripe is at least comical. I bet you're a LARP, I'd bet ten bucks on it. So I think it's best that you go ahead and get your exit visa and head back to good old Asshatistan, thanks for visiting, buh bye.
You still have not answered the most important question on the most profound "inside job" ever:
We’ve all heard the “official conspiracy theory” of the Death Star
attack. We all know about Luke Skywalker and his ragtag bunch of
rebels, how they mounted a foolhardy attack on the most powerful, well-
defended battle station ever built. And we’ve all seen the video over,
and over, and over, of the one-in-a-million shot that resulted in a
massive chain reaction that not just damaged, but completely
obliterated that massive technological wonder.
Like many Americans, I was fed this story when I was growing up. But
as I watched the video, I began to realize that all was not as it
seemed. And the more I questioned the official story, the deeper into
the rabbit hole I went.
Presented here are some of the results of my soul-searching regarding
this painful event. Like many citizens, I have many questions that I
would like answered: was the mighty Imperial government really too
incompetent to prevent a handful of untrained nerf-herders from
destroying one of their most prized assets? Or are they hiding
something from us? Who was really behind the attack? Why did they want
the Death Star destroyed? No matter what the answers, we have a
problem.
1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses
of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire
planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?
2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station’s large
fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders
from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who,
and why?
3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star
reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its
destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several
individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?
4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth
Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in
fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?
5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally
pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord
Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was
also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that
had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the
highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to
fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know
something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn’t?
6) How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust
port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to
fame was his ability to “bullseye womprats” on Tatooine? This shot,
according to one pilot, would be “impossible, even for a computer.”
Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired
the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly
firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. Why have these
discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?
7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids
who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by
none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by
the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be
Lord Vader’s son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to
one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader’s teacher many
years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the
conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to
be coincidences?
8) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a
moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital
ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore,
analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show
numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding
completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed
explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?
"I'm sorry the park is closed, the moose out front should have told you"
Independent contractors
July 16, 2007 - 00:30 ET by UnsaneInteresting questions. But we ARE leaving out one angle.
We are forgetting about the role of the independent contractors. (h/t to Kevin Smith)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
}}----> What Death Star?
July 16, 2007 - 00:41 ET by Cool ArrowI've got it from reliable sources. Keith Olberman, Dan Rather, Jayson Blair, and Baghdad Bob deny that a Death Star ever existed.