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First of all lets address all
June 19, 2007 - 19:10 ET byFirst of all lets address all the Rushisms and Fauxisms that whine on about liberals and you simply insert New Repubs (the most hypocritical evolution of the republican party!) into the overused whine.
Who has the best whining statement about liberals? Some of their quotes are pretty hilariously hypocritical at the end of their babbling.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
A little background music for
June 19, 2007 - 19:17 ET byA little background music for Monty
How about this or this? &
June 19, 2007 - 19:39 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveHow about this or this?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Actually since it's Montys pl
June 21, 2007 - 21:56 ET byActually since it's Montys place this described by John Lennon as the best rock and roll song ever. . . . . . .
ode for Monty
June 22, 2007 - 22:10 ET by SportPoliticsI think the best would be this, titled "Crybaby", by jj.
lol - it's irritating - just like a lib.
On second thought this is even better, from crapville and ABC, another crybaby that is exactly like a liberal. ( don't miss this one)
ROTFLMAO!Cry Baby is hilari
June 22, 2007 - 22:54 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveROTFLMAO!
Cry Baby is hilarious!
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
MontyHere's a Dead Concert fo
June 23, 2007 - 17:43 ET byMonty
Here's a Dead Concert for you, (if you notice I've been very nice in my music to you)
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
?! "The tree of liber
June 19, 2007 - 19:17 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love?!
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
the tree of liberty , shouldn
June 19, 2007 - 19:24 ET bythe tree of liberty , shouldnt necesarilly have the blood of bush, our puppet tyrant, but his brains!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Maybe this could be a contest for the top 10 hippotrolls on this site, Gene?
Since by definition a 'tyra
June 19, 2007 - 22:00 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveSince by definition a 'tyrant' is one who oppresses, please provide a detailed list of ways GWB (or Karl Rove since you say Bush is his puppet) is oppressing Americans.
Then explain why we haven't had a revolution to bring down the 'tyrant' since there are enough armed citizens in this country to carry out a successful revolution.
Next, explain to me how your candidate of choice (on the next presidential ballot) in conjunction with congress will make things better for us.
Lastly, what happens if we elect a Democrat President and things get worse than they are today? Would you be convinced it was the president's fault or would you start to wonder if it was congress (the common denominator) that is actually the root cause of the country's problems?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Anyone else hear crickets?&qu
June 21, 2007 - 16:52 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveAnyone else hear crickets?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Mean Gene,I see nothing whats
June 22, 2007 - 20:43 ET by BlondeMean Gene,
I see nothing whatsoever has changed.
Monty, the forum-challenged liberal troll....has nothing but talking points going on (big surprise).
Yawn.
Well, nice tunes linked here.
So true Blonde.Maybe I shou
June 22, 2007 - 21:10 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveSo true Blonde.
Maybe I should start another forum topic for sharing music/videos...I've really enjoyed the contributions in this thread.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Sounds like a fun forum topic
June 22, 2007 - 21:13 ET by BlondeSounds like a fun forum topic, MG.
That's what they're for, afterall....and weekends get a little slow sometimes.
I know if you started on drummers (hello Unsane!) you'd be sure to get a huge response.
Me too Dr. Love...The tunes a
June 22, 2007 - 21:14 ET by bigtimerMe too Dr. Love...
The tunes are great..
BT and B and MGDL (miller gen
June 22, 2007 - 21:22 ET byBT and B and MGDL (miller genuine draft lite?)
I tend to open a tab so i listen while here (Eric Johnson's in the background as i type)
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Always, Bruce.(Well, except f
June 22, 2007 - 21:25 ET by BlondeAlways, Bruce.
(Well, except for at work, where I have Dennis Miller streaming and my door CLOSED!).
Were you the one who put up Joe Walsh the other day? Yes...it was...that was a great video....Spiffster loved it, BTW.
Usually a radio station thoug
June 22, 2007 - 21:32 ET byUsually a radio station though as the videos need continual maintanence, sometimes a steam of Tammy B, R Hedgecock, etc. I need to try a Miller.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
The only bad thing is the s
June 22, 2007 - 21:28 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThe only bad thing is the sound quality on YouTube, et.al really sucks. I have about 12,000 mp3 files on my computer that I made from my CD collection, so I usually have high quality tunes going rather than the tinny sounding YouTube ones. I wish I could share my files in the forum.
Any suggestions on the title of the forum topic?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
and CDsSupreme Court, Natio
June 22, 2007 - 21:33 ET byand CDs
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Mean Gene,"Favorite Tune
June 22, 2007 - 21:44 ET by BlondeMean Gene,
"Favorite Tunes"
"Dr. Love's Stuff" (did you see the troll Space Cowboy....the Gangster of Love?....swear I heard that song the very next day...I almost drove off the road...LMAO). Oh how I miss the stuff I had on my dead hard drive....ever hear of Lee Michaels...."Do you know What I Mean?"
Doesn't matter what you call it....we'll love it.
BTW, the computer never sounds that good, but it's better than listening to the A.C. during the day. :D
Or just 'favorites'Blonde, if
June 22, 2007 - 21:50 ET byOr just 'favorites'
Blonde, if you hear this on the radio i'll be amazed
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
You'd be correct, Bruce,I've
June 22, 2007 - 22:00 ET by BlondeYou'd be correct, Bruce,
I've never heard that on the radio....sounds like something I'd hear at the Performing Arts Center while at a Michael Flatley performance.
But good stuff....and the singer is (for the record) a great representative of what a blonde should be!
There are so many interesting forms of music...a piece I'd love to find (which I've never been able to track down, BTW) is the music to the closing credits of Blackhawk Down. I think it's Jan Hammer....but haven't been able to locate it.
One of my favorite cable radio channels is Big Band. Just because the music is really, really excellent. Which doesn't minimize my appreciation of the rock and roll I grew up on and love....but it just kinda floats my boat.
that was pretty cool botg,
June 22, 2007 - 23:48 ET by Conservative Voicethat was pretty cool botg, never seen that kind of drum...way cool.
Blonde,Do you mean this one?B
June 22, 2007 - 21:57 ET by Trix RabbitBlonde,
Do you mean this one?
Been forty days since I don't know when, I just saw her with my best friend, do you know what I mean? Lawd do you know what I mean?
Yes, I know, I'm giving away my age.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
Know you werent talkin' to me
June 22, 2007 - 22:03 ET by bigtimerKnow you werent talkin' to me Trix...
But.... that Be the one....
Know what I mean?
Some of us all are showing our age...
Know what I mean?
LOL!
Trix,Abso (damn) lutely that
June 22, 2007 - 22:05 ET by BlondeTrix,
Abso (damn) lutely that one!
Oh, how that one takes me back! It was on Napster, but as I said, I lost my hard drive and I'm sure I'll never hear it again.
"oooooh, help me!"
:D
They all seem to suffer from
June 19, 2007 - 19:17 ET by TruthMongerThey all seem to suffer from chronic halitosis...
But Leon and Sarc do make a nice couple:)!
(crickets chirping)
...it was hard but I managed to keep religion out of it:)...
Still intellectually challe
June 20, 2007 - 11:28 ET by sarcasmoStill intellectually challenged, I see...But I don't get it, I make Leon look dumb almost as often as I make you look dumb around here, what's this 'couple' thing??
JMR
This is a debate question.
June 21, 2007 - 12:45 ET by Airforce_5_OThis is a debate question. Looks more like a whine to me.
So you look at the Republican party as mindless followers of Rush? Is this the question or did you just want to cry?
Ha! That was too easy, TM. I
June 19, 2007 - 19:49 ET by QueenMumHa! That was too easy, Gene. I hope the pussycat is happy.
Glad to have the background music to fill in the gaps while the pussycat pours another shot of tequila for himself and takes a quick toke of weed.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
We are not interested in the
June 19, 2007 - 20:00 ET byWe are not interested in the possibilities of defeat., only a war that will go on forever to keep our generals happy in the military industrial complex- King Karl (Bush's brain)
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
"...Only a war that wi
June 20, 2007 - 00:33 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"...Only a war that will go on forever to keep our generals happy in the military industrial complex..."
How would an endless war make our generals happy? No one in the military profits from a war.
Wouldn't the point of an endless war be to make the corporate (i.e. Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, Lockheed-Martin, etc.) big-wigs (in the "MIC") happy?
Do you understand what Eisenhower was saying in his farewell address?
Do you even know what a "military industrial complex" is without looking it up?
Dude, your ignorance is showing.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
How would an endless war make
June 20, 2007 - 11:05 ET byHow would an endless war make our generals happy? No one in the military profits from a war.
bullcrap...I bet half the country would beg to differ that some folks always profit from war! So Halliburton and the industrial complex never make any money. go back to deprogramming, dude and check back with me in a few months!
Wouldn't the point of an endless war be to make the corporate (i.e. Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, Lockheed-Martin, etc.) big-wigs (in the "MIC") happy?
Do you understand what Eisenhower was saying in his farewell address?
He specifically warned us about the profiteers from war!
Do some reading and give me some evidence to the contrary. Invested in Halliburton stocks lately??
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Invested in Halliburton sto
June 20, 2007 - 11:15 ET by Dave RInvested in Halliburton stocks lately??
No, but Michael Moore has.
}}----> Dave R Hot stock tip
June 20, 2007 - 11:26 ET by Cool ArrowYou're better off investing in corn futures. Have you seen what the government in league with Archer Daniels Midland has done to the cost of food?
That's just this year. Next year look for cotton to skyrocket as the fields are covered with biotech King Corn.
Wrong fields
June 20, 2007 - 11:32 ET by dagdaCorn and cotton are not usually grown in the same climate zones.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
Haliburton, Haliburton, Halib
June 20, 2007 - 11:16 ET by kathleenirishHaliburton, Haliburton, Haliburton....
What a syncophantic tool you are.
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
You're right Kathleen.We shou
June 20, 2007 - 11:19 ET by LeonYou're right Kathleen.
We should give war profiteers more respect.
Don't poo-poo the "war
June 20, 2007 - 11:24 ET by The Wicked ConservativeDon't poo-poo the "war profiteers" for responding to a need in a capitalist society. That's what business does. The right chooses wars based on specific interests and so does the left. War on global warming profiteers such as Terrapass are more criminal than Halliburton in my opinion.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
The funny part to me is tha
June 20, 2007 - 11:30 ET by sarcasmoThe funny part to me is that the capitalist society's business-attractive location somehow changed from Houston in the USA to Dubai...Or maybe it's not-so-funny!
JMR
Not quite, sarc. Bear in mi
June 22, 2007 - 06:45 ET by UnsaneNot quite, sarc. Bear in mind that Houston lacks one barrier that most American cities have: zoning laws (shot down by Houston voters three times). If you are a potential employer, you are welcome in Houston.
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So why'd Halliburton just v
June 22, 2007 - 06:48 ET by sarcasmoSo why'd Halliburton just vamoose to Dubai?
JMR
}}----> really sarc?
June 22, 2007 - 07:14 ET by Cool ArrowI didn't know Halliburton moved to Dubai. Are you sure?
Yes, unless ABC News is pul
June 22, 2007 - 07:17 ET by sarcasmoYes, unless ABC News is pulling our legs.
JMR
}}----> sarc
June 22, 2007 - 07:34 ET by Cool ArrowI thought they had clarified with what amounted to a retraction after the 3/11/07 article you cited.
At any rate, maybe they're trying to keep up with foreign companies like FORD.
I haven't seen it...I think
June 22, 2007 - 07:39 ET by sarcasmoI haven't seen it...I think my point about which is more-capitalist sadly stands, these days. And libertarians may not be good for much, but we're pretty good capitalism-detectors, in that we find it in places where some would prefer we didn't even look.
JMR
}}----> sarc
June 22, 2007 - 07:45 ET by Cool ArrowYou're evidently right. They seem to be moving corporate offices to Dubai.
The rules are sketchy, but if you want to buy American, The Toyota Tacoma is American while the Ford Mustang is foreign.
The more things change...
I just wonder where they pl
June 22, 2007 - 07:59 ET by sarcasmoI just wonder where they plan to be paying taxes in the future...I pay lots of 'em here, after all, and I think I might like to take advantage of Dubai's rate...
JMR
Perhaps because they realized
June 23, 2007 - 01:32 ET by UnsanePerhaps because they realized that the Katy Freeway construction project will be finished right around the year 2343 or so...
(j/j. Seriously, I don't know. Haven't heard much about this in Houston, but then, working at night tends to cut people off from humanity somewhat,)
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Hey TWC,American soldiers don
June 20, 2007 - 11:35 ET by LeonHey TWC,
American soldiers don't die in the war on Global Warming.
Just a little Nota Bene there.
That's true, so far, but ag
June 20, 2007 - 11:44 ET by The Wicked ConservativeThat's true, so far, but again Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Halliburton, and the like don't make the call on going to war. The government makes that decision. To execute that decision we need gear. Would you rather the federal government made their own weaponry??? Heaven forbid! Think of the lives and money wasted then. And if you believe Halliburton et al are the reason we're at war, take off the foil hat and use for something useful like preserving leftovers or grilling vegetables
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
wouldnt it be nice if schools
June 20, 2007 - 22:51 ET bywouldnt it be nice if schools were able to get books and chairs, and wed have to have bake sales to produce bombs!
most dittoheads will always be in denial of the military industrial complex that eisenhower warned us about!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
"The term military-industrial complex (MIC) refers to a close and symbiotic relationship among a nation's armed forces, its private industry, and associated political and commercial interests. In such a system, the military is dependent on industry to supply material and other support, while the defense industry depends on government for revenue."
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A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."
at least half of this country still doesnt see the effect of guns gone wild on our whole populatiion and the effects of it on the rest of the world.
eisenhower was a good republican president and had the experience of the military to know the damages of war and out of control military spending! unlike our chicken hawk in chief who thought he could win like he did playing risk at yale instead of writing the papers that his daddys' ghost writers wrote for him.
wouldnt it be nice if schools
June 20, 2007 - 23:06 ET bywouldnt it be nice if schools were able to get books and chairs
Vouchers, Montana, vouchers many private schools can turn out better educated students for half the funds
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
How about getting vouchers fo
June 20, 2007 - 23:18 ET byHow about getting vouchers for the military?? if we spent the same amount on health insurance , we would have free insurance for the rest of our lives. quit knocking the education system when we spend far more on an endless war to profit you know who!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Hi Montona
June 21, 2007 - 00:17 ET by shawn228I have made it perfectly clear to many on this site that I do not agree this war was worth the economic and human toll we have paid but Montana, we are in Iraq right now and The Presiden does not have the luxury of second guessing. If you were the President what would you do right now? If we left Iraq, it would be a haven for terrorist to launch attacks on American Interest.
I feel awful for the Americans soldiers selflessly defending our freedom every day. I want them home with us as much as anyone else, but imo leaving is just not the right thing to do now. I want quality health care for every single man, woman and child in this country as well, but at this point in time, it would be impossible to fund no matter what Obama says.
If you want quality health ca
June 22, 2007 - 06:49 ET by UnsaneIf you want quality health care for every man, woman and child, you obviously do not support socialized health care, then. Ask Silvio Berlusconi. When he was having heart troubles, did he turn to his own country's health care system for help? NO!!! He flew to CLEVELAND...you know, a major city in that heartless country that does NOT believe in stealing from other people to pay for YOUR doctor.
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I know how you feel about
June 22, 2007 - 09:14 ET by shawn228I know how you feel about about socialized medicine Unsane. You have made your case to me many times. By the way, I will making a trip to Vancouver BC for a visit a few weeks from now, I will have to defend my wallet and be on the lookout for the homeless people you mention:)
Just hit downtown Vansterdam.
June 23, 2007 - 01:38 ET by UnsaneJust hit downtown Vansterdam. Can't miss 'em. Did you know that the term "Skid Row" originated in Vancouver, BC?
I had the pleasure of visiting Vancouver some years back, right after it was announced that they were getting the 2010 Olympics. I liked it there...I don't think we should be emulating Canada's Nanny State policies(besides, I don't feel the need to be C$7200 poorer than my Canadian counterparts) , but I liked Vancouver.
As long as you (and others) need to be reminded of the fallacies of entrusting an entity that cannot even educate our students to our health, I shall be here. Say, next time you are in a bookstore, grab the latest edition of The Economist,it has an eye-opening look at the perils of a strong currency. The story is told in New Zealand.
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Go do your research on how mu
June 21, 2007 - 12:37 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveGo do your research on how much the U.S. spends on education versus national defense.
Also, we already spend more of our GDP on healthcare (~15%) in the U.S. than we do on the military (4.06%). We even spend more per capita on healthcare than the U.K. does...and ours doesn't even come close to covering the entire population like the U.K.'s healthcare system does. Any universal healthcare system you are salivating after will come at a tremendous cost to taxpayers and the economy.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
quit knocking the education s
June 21, 2007 - 18:17 ET byquit knocking the education system when we spend far more on an endless war
Montana, as mean gene said do the research because you a way, way off
Profiting WHO? I want names
June 22, 2007 - 06:52 ET by UnsaneProfiting WHO? I want names.
Besides, as I have inquired over and over and over again on this site: we spend more on education than the military, as Mean Gene points out. So, if money SOLVES EVERYTHING in education, then why aren't we churning out ARMIES of Salks, Shakespeares, Watsons/Cricks, Bethes and Bachs every single spring?
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"wouldnt it be nice if s
June 21, 2007 - 09:06 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"wouldnt it be nice if schools were able to get books and chairs, and wed have to have bake sales to produce bombs!"
Nice bumper-sticker, but it's a myth.
Show me even one instance (let alone many) where a school had to have a bake sale to buy chairs, books, or even to pay teacher's salaries. Bake sales are held to fund extra-curricular activities, like band trips, National Honor Society functions, etc. Public schools in the United States get more money (7% GDP) (billions more) than the military (4.06% GPD) gets. And that's just on public schools. You are flat-out wrong. The United States invests more in a failing public education system than they do on National Defense. I hope you never repeat that slogan again, and you should remove that bumper-sticker from your car immediately.
Next, I asked if you knew what the MIC is without looking it up. I see you went straight to Wikipedia and copy and pasted what you found there (without citing Wikipedia nor the Eisenhower exerpt you lifted without giving him credit for it!).
You're a hack. I think I may be done with you.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Mean Gene,i may be wrong but
June 21, 2007 - 18:23 ET byMean Gene,
i may be wrong but i think your figures do not include the cost of constructing the schools, only supplies, salaries, and the like
Secondly, what portion of the total military budget is used for the 'endless war'
The actual comparison will have a far greater difference
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
I didn't have a bunch of ti
June 21, 2007 - 19:39 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI didn't have a bunch of time to research further...the numbers I found took me about 45 minutes to track down (with a few rather simple Google searches), analyze, and evaluate.
I'm not sure about construction costs of schools...I would imagine that local taxes pay for the construction of new schools as I know that the town where I live are purposely not building a second high school so their football program doesn't suffer (nice, huh? football is more important than a quality education in an uncrowded school).
Again, not sure of the percentage of the total military budget that pays for the "endless war." One thing many people forget when considering military spending is that military salaries, benefits, expenses, maintenance, training, materiel, and everything else it takes to operate our military are all lumped together. Military spending might be $500 billion (an arbitrary number for illustration purposes) in a year, if there are 2.33 million people in the armed forces and they make an average of $75,000 (which is a rough estimate based on my knowledge) in pay and benefits, then their combined salaries/benefits alone cost $174.75 billion per year. That still doesn't account for maintenance of assets and materiel, utilities, and everything else it takes to run the military. All of those things still get paid for in peacetime...so the effectual costs of any war are really the difference it costs between peacetime operations and war time operations...which is usually cost of munitions (but remember a lot of those is already paid for and in storage, so the costs are replenishment of supply), fuel, transport, new equipment, and battle damage.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Mean GeneThanks for the resea
June 21, 2007 - 21:24 ET byMean Gene
Thanks for the research, i wasn't trying give you more work, just illustrating that perhaps the military spending is probally less than half the total for the war part which makes it less than 2% GDP while the schools (prop O, propMM, etc in CA) probally goes up to over 9% GDP.
Which works out to MORE THAN FOUR TIMES as much spent on education than the 'endless war' and Monty way off base. (pitcher Mean Gene throws to first: Botg puts on the tag and Monty walks back to the dugout)
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Mean Gene, the sad fact is th
June 22, 2007 - 06:59 ET by UnsaneMean Gene, the sad fact is that learning is the tertiary purpose to high school...if that. Athetics are #1, extracurricular activities #2, social events #3...learning, academics and education come dead last.
What you have to say about your locality reminds me very much of Judson ISD in San Antonio. Their football program was legendary across the state...and even as the district grew, they simply would not consider building an additional high school. In fact, they split the campus in half, to acommodate 9-10th graders with another to handle 11-12th graders.
It was painfully obvious, in spite of all the excuses the voters of the district could come up with, that it was ALL about the damned football team. Eventually, however, in the past three-four years, voters apporved a bond package to construct additional high schools, ending the Rockets' run. Doubtless that causes more pain to the voters and parents of Judson ISD than does the silly idea that schools exist to educate children.
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Maybe, if socialist schools
June 22, 2007 - 07:10 ET by sarcasmoMaybe, if socialist schools were totally privatized, that set of priorities might change, but is anyone surprised this would be the priority in Florida's public schools too? Part of it, and I'm surely part of the problem, is the immense popularity of watching the sport, but that doesn't mean a sport should become the primary purpose of schools, or would in a truly-free marketplace, IMO.
JMR
There are many schools in thi
June 22, 2007 - 01:51 ET byThere are many schools in this country that do not have enough chairs, students have to sit on the floor. They lack textbooks.
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
So, Montana Lyons, presumab
June 22, 2007 - 02:12 ET by sarcasmoSo, Montana Lyons, presumably the following outrages you as much as it does the conservative who wrote it?
JMR The Gist of It
June 20, 2007
What's wrong with the Oklahoma Supreme Court? Maybe the justices don't quite get the gist of citizen government.
You see, the court threw a voter initiative, called the 65 Percent Solution, off the ballot. The measure would have mandated that 65 percent of school funds be spent in the classroom actually teaching kids.
In Oklahoma only 58 percent of education funds are spent in the classroom.
The Oklahoma State School Boards Association challenged the petition in court. The group's executive director, Dr. Keith Ballard, said, "We are very much in favor of as much money as possible going into instruction."
Only thing is . . . they aren't at all in favor of any such thing.
Dr. Ballard argued, "Other areas would have suffered greatly." And he pointed out "the great resistance that this had in the education community."
Funny, I don't think Ballard sees the great support among parents for spending education money on education. You know, in the classroom. Where our children just happen to be.
Ballard and his so-called "education community" argued that the short explanation on the petition, called the gist statement, was misleading. Of course, anyone not certain what they were signing had a full copy of the measure available on every petition.
Still, the court ruled that the hundreds of thousands of Oklahoma voters didn't know what they were signing. Once again, the court has protected Sooner State citizens from the awful rigors of decision-making.
This is Common Sense. I'm Paul Jacob.
You still haven't provided an
June 22, 2007 - 08:50 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveYou still haven't provided any evidence to back up your assertion whatsoever. Link or slink.
Based on what I see from your responses is that you are a high school drop-out that is out of touch with reality because you regularly smoke pot, drop some acid at least fortnightly, and can be found at the local hemp shop on any given day of the week. Now, all that may be true, but if I don't back it up with evidence I really don't have a leg to stand on.
Back up your assertions, don't make us ask for substantiation, you should offer it up freely. When you don't back up your assertions (or you refuse to) then I know you either have no idea what you are talking about or you are purposely hiding the truth.
BTW, if there are kids sitting on the floors sharing textbooks in the U.S., how is that so bad? It happens all over Asia (like in Tibet and India...the Indians even look like they have outdoor schools) and other areas of the world. India turns out some of the most prepared students to compete in the world market in math, science, accounting, and business. So sitting on the floor and sharing textbooks probably isn't a huge hinderance to learning. Nowhere does it say that we have a right to sit in comfort in order to be educated.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
You know, MT Lyons, the schoo
June 22, 2007 - 00:50 ET by UnsaneYou know, MT Lyons, the schools get TONS of money. Yet, they are churning out...functional illiterates. With the money we currently give the schools, we should have ARMIES of Mozarts, Shakespeares, Barnaards, Jarviks, and Salks churned out each and every spring.
Yet, we don't, for some reason.
Yet, for a small fee, the military not only defends your ability to whine about how much America sucks because it isn't a Nanny State, but the abilities of millions of others - if not billions of others - to do so.
With that pathetic bumper-sticker line, I guess you think that your freedom is 100% free, without any price, huh? Maybe you should be forced to endure Ludovico's Technique, all the while watching great films like Saving Private Ryan and Tae Guk Gi in a continual loop.
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No, but many of our freedoms
June 20, 2007 - 11:48 ET by Dave RNo, but many of our freedoms will, if Al and his crowd prevails.
The American economy and way
June 20, 2007 - 11:59 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThe American economy and way of life will 'die' in the war on Global Warming. You might be okay with that, but I am not. The result of the collapse of the American way of life will be either a communist/socialist state or anarchy and chaos.
Just a little nota bene right back at you.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Leon the Kleptomaniac
June 22, 2007 - 00:44 ET by UnsaneCan't control that Leftist impulse to steal, can you?
I take it since you hate "war profiteers", that you wish to destroy Boeing for creating aircraft from the B-17 on? Or GM for making the Hummer? Various pharmaceutical firms for producing the vaccines that save not only the lives of members of the Armed Forces, but of countless millions as well?
Thanks for admitting to your Socialism, though...
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No Leon, we should stop the
June 24, 2007 - 12:07 ET by shannon20No Leon, we should stop the war immediately and put all our money in going green. Green Profiteering, that's better.
I think making profit from go
June 24, 2007 - 18:22 ET byI think making profit from going green is a little healthier than death!
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
Hate to break your heart, MT
June 24, 2007 - 20:48 ET by UnsaneHate to break your heart, MT Lyons, but as many of us at this board realize...
Death is inevitable.
And no, I really don't feel the need to destroy the largest economy the world has ever seen because you are dripping with guilt and equate Gore with Christ/the Buddha/Mohammed.
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Death is inevitable.no kiddin
June 25, 2007 - 01:03 ET byDeath is inevitable.
no kidding, but it will would be nice to not die before your time or just be traumatized for the rest of your life??
A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons
My time? MT, my time could
June 25, 2007 - 01:10 ET by UnsaneMy time? MT, my time could be today. I have no guarantees that I will see life past 12 noon, or even 0120 CST. Or, I could live to be 137. I don't know when my "time" is.
"...or just be traumatized for the rest of your life?" Too late for that. Just one encounter with you thieving, whiny Socialists already induced the trauma...
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Shhh! It's my turn for a re
June 25, 2007 - 05:12 ET by sarcasmoShhh! It's my turn for a response (cloaked message about the traditional bipartisan stupidity of poverty-perpetuating ethanol subsidies below) and I suspect this time he desperately wants to ignore me!
JMR
Funny, I think allegedly 'g
June 24, 2007 - 20:52 ET by sarcasmoFunny, I think allegedly 'green' profits made entirely on big government's ethanol subsidies, which make food more expensive for poor people as we've already seen this year, very much resemble profiting from death...
JMR
I said: "no one in the m
June 20, 2007 - 11:51 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI said: "no one in the military profits from war."
"In the military" is the key prepositional phrase in that sentence. I did not say "nobody ever profits from war" as you have implied that I have. You have a reading comprehension problem just like WhichWing--either that or you are purposely misconstruing my statements to change the subject and deflect attention away from your miserable self.
I would also appreciate it if you would put quotes around things that I (and others) have written when you use them in your posts. It makes for easier reading, it's the right thing to do, and it also shows maturity.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Ah. Time for a musical interl
June 19, 2007 - 20:20 ET by QueenMumAh. Time for a musical interlude.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria