How does this site feel about powerful families in government being above the law?

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How about Al Gore III

Looks like Algore's son, Al Gore III, is getting some special treatment.

"...the charges [could be] dropped if he successfully completes a drug diversion program."

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

what ???

Well, personally, I am not too fond of the Kennedys.

[Dave R ... I do not think this is what Monty meant. This is merely a forum topic. I think Monty wants to be able to create his own FORUM.]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

LionKing,LOL-Well that's what

LionKing,

LOL-Well that's what I get for trying to be helpful. 

I thought I had understood him to say he couldn't access the create content function over here. Then again, I have always had difficulty understanding the rantings of drug abusers! 

Build the damn fence, George!

dave...its okay

Dave, it is okay. I know you were trying to be helpful. Lord knows Monty needs it.

Keep it real.

Dave R nice of you to try, but Monty changed his topic

Dave R nice of you to try, but Monty changed his topic from how we FEEL about powerful families in government being above the law to being a whining idiot sissy self-derailer.

It was funny going down this thread and actually expecting Monty to wage a good debate but winding up seeing a crybaby 5th grader pouting and sticking out his tongue, poking his thumbs in his ears and flapping his hands, then crossing his arms, stomping his little footy and I guess by the time I finish reading... running away.

 My comment is the most powerful family in government that is above the law is called the family of CONGRESSCRITTERS .... just last week or so I found out they can use their insider market information and never be busted for insider trading... and they do more than 2X better than the best money manager because of it. (being above the law includes their little helpers)

 I'm thinking they believe they are above almost every law there is... from having their offices searched after not complying with the FBI or legal subpeonas to writing their congressional checking accounts deep into the hole, to only they the dirty know what else most of the time. Heck they can even try to sneak a firearm in without any legal consequences. Punch a policeman with a cellphone and not be cuffed and thrown in the slammer...

 I mean you name it, they are above the law...unless it's so bad, that they've openly stolen a couple million and flaunted it in front of everyone for years... and the politically opposite party anglers finally decide to get someone, where they can claim they at least by covering up, that they didn't do it as well (at least not in the exact same fashion and form)...

 Daschle had quite the crime family, though, so many little familial members in there stroking the streets for millions while smirking chimp tommyboy bounced up and down pretending he believed what he yapped. Yeah, I vote daschle family for the most corrupt - tommy blew off the constitution opnely and tried to rake in as many others as he could with him, cutting deals with the potus for giving up power in exchange for tommy's crimes to slow a bit.

Then there's Mollohan the demoncratic 12 million dollar thief - he's got it going on - crime pork king.

 

When your middle school taunt

When your middle school taunts get above the level of blonde or rj, let me know and I will be glad to respond. MAYBE YOU CAN BE IN THE TOP 5 OF HIPPOTROLLS!

at this point your aint invited to this forum,sport.

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Gee, Monty Moonbat

Gee Monty Moonbat, I haven't posted on this thread at all, but I heard my name being called and thought it would be appropriate to make an appearance....     

And Monty left me out even af

And Monty left me out even after i linked some lovely background music for his other post

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.   

funny and irrelevant monty lyon

That was irrelevant and painfully funny monty.

Daschle crime family, Mollohan crime family, oh yeah, Nancy Peloonsi with her special favors for hubbies nearby hotels and high end prostitution rooms. Another crime family, and Peloonsi really blew the constitution to shreds with her illegal crime jaunt and lies over there in Syria where she dhimmied herself down with maple/oak leaf headcover like a shirking cowering idiot, before Israel chewed her out for pretending to be their foreign policy diplomat. Yeah, that's right Pelooni crime may be the most corrupt family in DC.

Oh by the way, I don't want you to respond, why make me laugh anymore ? You're even more pathetic in this thread than you usually are, aren't you, or have I just never really noticed what a loser you are before ? I really didn't think an adult could be such an infantile idiot like you have been in this thread. It's amazing, really.

The Clinton crime cabal, however, may have the win as far as DC corruption goes, though. They had mutiple dozens of their cronies tossed in the slammer when slick wilty was still crime king, while well over 100 fled the nation..LOL -- fled the nation...rofl -- wow -- thatta way crime family clinton. Oh the clinton crime cabal is still running, this isn't reverse speculation, Hillary stole her senate seat with illegally paid for votes.

There was also that $700,000.00 campaign contribution she failed to claim, and was "fined" for, another crime that paid off for the queen of crime.

Fiendstiengate   

Fiendstiengate   

so you think its ok for the b

so you think its ok for the bush family to get away with crimes?

go away sport with your juvenile rants and  comments!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

A biased and agenda driven pr

A biased and agenda driven press is one of the first things to *arrive* in a totalitarian government.

A biased and agenda driven pr

A biased and agenda driven press is one of the first things to *arrive* in a totalitarian government

its already happened ...right shows that dominate the air waves with no ability to hear the other side? Fox News influencing very close elections....

taking away the fairness doctrine took away the public's right to make informed decisions after hearing both sides!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Thats ridiculous. FOX is 1 ne

Thats ridiculous. FOX is 1 network out of 6. What about abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc, cnn? Do they have any influence? How did FOX influence a close election?

Will the fairness doctrine be applied to PBS?

The fairness doctrine is about silencing the right, because the left can't out debate the right.

The fairness doctrine is abou

The fairness doctrine is about silencing the right, because the left can't out debate the right

its kinda hard when rush and oreilly hold the mute button...they do a good job of outshouting any meek liberal voice they allow on the air...

Hey rupert has fox over in communist china, isnt that where govt press  doesnt allow free speech?

this site is too funny! auf wieder sehen, Jugen

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Like olberman, matthews, cour

Like olberman, matthews, couric, donaldson, jennings, et al really present two sides.  Face it Monty you are a hypocrit you favor silencing (via the Fairness Doctrine) any opposing viewpoint.  Your tag line defines YOU as pro-totalitarian.

As far as the left presenting logical positions what happened to Air America?  Sure on mute buttons there.

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.   

The fairness doctrine is abou

The fairness doctrine is about silencing the right, because the left can't out debate the right

its kinda hard when rush and oreilly hold the mute button...they do a good job of outshouting any meek liberal voice they allow on the air...

Hey rupert has fox over in communist china, isnt that where govt press  doesnt allow free speech?

this site is too funny! auf wieder sehen, Jugen

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Monty

So Rush and Oreilly are the only voices in the newsmedia?? 

 Are you saying that there are no liberals on TV? What about PBS? I can list 5 liberals on FOX. How can that be? A lib co-host one of their most popular shows? Please explain...........

Monty

What about MSNBC? Oblerman is pretty liberal, Matthews also. Please explain how Rush and O'Reilly stop them from being heard.

Monty what do you think of Pe

Monty what do you think of Pelosi, Feinstien and Kerry pushing to limit freedom of speech?  The totalitarians!!  You are soo right these dems are dangerous.  

Monty what do you think of Pe

Monty what do you think of Pelosi, Feinstien and Kerry pushing to limit freedom of speech

botch, you have a tendency to just throw questions out there without going into the details...

tell us how they are pushing this agenda about lack of free speech?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

I think he is talking about t

I think he is talking about the fairness doctrine

MontyYou know I was writting

Monty

You know I was writting about the Fairness Doctrine playing stupid won't work.  They are trying to limit free speech and thus are dangerous totalitarian dems.  I was agreeing with the sentiment of your tag line these dems are dangerous.

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.   

When it causes Al Sharpton

When it causes Al Sharpton to sound even halfway-sensible, as it has recently with pornstar-but-only-I-seem-to-call-her-that Paris Hilton, it's a bad thing.
JMR

Thanks for your thoughtfulnes

Thanks for your thoughtfulness, Dave, something sadly lacking from your party since the Rush Brainwashed Syndrome of your new party. 

It seems there are examples everyday from this wonderful site, attempting to spin how its ok for our goose in chief to be above the law. I wanted to extend that to basically the powerfully connected (cheney) to powerful families that have a tradition of being above the law.

Heres an example brought up  for today ,for what the   "left wing " press have  declared, the first week of our lame duck presidency:

Bush has a potty mouth. Should he be above the law?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Maybe we can set a few ground rules if you care for me to participate in your forum you altruistically set up out of the goodness and generosity of your heart,,,

the following types of barbs wont be tolerated unless you want to say them in the peanut gallery with the rest of the folks with middle school talent and education:

"I thought I had understood him to say he couldn't access the create content function over here. Then again, I have always had difficulty understanding the rantings of drug abusers!  "

in the other forum I will be glad to talk about  you and your duck in chiefs substance abuse problems

Here we can talk about how lil George was able to remain above the law in regards to his substance issues?

Kennedys

Can we talk about Teddy Kennedy too? Can we talk about all of the Kennedy's that have been afforded this so called "privilege" of being above the law?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

sure but answer the question

sure but answer the question about bush being above the law first?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

okay...

No one is above the law..not even Bush. How do you figure that he is above the law?

What's your excuse for Teddy?

Oh Boy, here it comes

Let me guess.  He'll bring up a 30 yr old DUI and supposed drug addiction.

Lysdexics Untie!

  how can we post asking for

  how can we post asking for some ground rules when the party is only full of neo anderthals...so when the iq reaches above 70 , let me know and reserve the lower primates for the peanut gallery...monkeys love peanuts!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

funny how this site whines about bushs dwi that happened decades ago yet they whine on about teddy when it happened before 90 percent of these primates were even born!

too funny

fox news continues to spend a third of its air time on trivial bs,...wouldnt it be cool for them to spend a little time researching the history of our president who seems to be above the law.

this site refuses to answer a simple question yet they will whine about me not answering their questions..

ML, when the IQ reaches above

ML, when the IQ reaches above 70 you will be the one eating peanuts because you will be so bored not comprehending the english version of the conversation.

FYI, Bush did not kill someone with his DUI, Kennedy did (and just because he was not accused & convicted, do not even atttempt to tell me he was not drinking that night).

Just in case you want to omit the small details, I felt the need to remind you of the facts (as one with a little common sence see's it).

"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

   when the IQ reaches abo

   when the IQ reaches above 70 for bush loyalists, fox and rush will be out of business

you will be the one eating peanuts because your doctor recomended you get off the froot loops.

FYI, Bush did not kill someone with his DUI,

oh, duh

yep he only killed a bush so he should get a way with almost killing his family and destroying a garage...good thing fox wasnt around then to waste all of its time talking about bushs substance abuse problems and running away from his commitments...

but yep silver spoon patricians with affected texas accents are above the law , arent they, disney lion?

then lets bring up something that happened when you werent even in kindergarten!

this site never fails to crack me up

so jabberwocky, were you born before rush or can you think for yourself?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Crisp, coherent, never rambli

Crisp, coherent, never rambling. Making complete sense.

Yep. Just like Tumbler.

Monty's on dope

Monty is all doped up. He doesn't even know to whom he is replying. Confusing JAB and Roger...being expressly incoherent. SAD !!!

Montana, please express to e

Montana, please express to everyone you are either drunk or on drugs to save yourself a little respect.

Unless you can attempt to up the level of conversation, I am done with the trool tonight.

BTW, ramling incoherently does nothing for one's demener.

"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

go to the peanut gallery if y

"let’s get serious about the next Crusade, may God save my brains from the coming onslaught! "

My Other friends:

none

go to the peanut gallery if you are going to insult but you have been doing that ever since you dropped out of middle school?

goodbye

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

This series of comments from

This series of comments from one who whines in a sixth grade manner that those of us who don't believe in Socialism as deeplyn and intensely as he does, or DARES to watch Fox or listen to Rush Limbaugh are stupid. 

MT Lyons/rhayes/schmidt, at least make a small effort to disguise your writing style, ok?

MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!!  THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!

"hater", thanks for

"hater", thanks for the submission on your part. Damn, your lame. I would venture to guess you are just as exciting in bed as well.

My first question would be; "who begins to snore first, you or him"?

Last post to lame lyons. My apologies in advance to all, I may be barred but some things are worth the cost.

Better yet, I'm not going to lower myself to this trolls level. I will just have to bite my cheek and not say anything! M.L. I wish you the best in life and hope it treat's you well.

"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

JAB

JAB

Monty can't help himself.

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.   

Oh CRAP! The first part did n

Oh CRAP! The first part did not get deleted, my bad, so sorry-- pushed the wrong button at the wrong time.

"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

montana-- I have just read through--

montana-- I have just read through--a string of comments  by you. I am NOT attacking you, I am posting an observation. I am a conservative--I am (no longer) a Bush fan, but it seems to me you are obsessed with your hatred for him. I think (lately) he is a dork. Whatever he or Clinton did in the sowing of their oats as young men is of no concern to me. You stand out as an attack dog for anything not liberal, then you get angry when you are rebutted. You insult and get insulted back. You insult the intelligence of the subscribers to this blog,. You flat out state that you cannot get an intelligent debate. I have come to realize from your debate style that no argument will ever persuade you that there are other people as smart as you, or , perhaps even smarter.Then for Heaven's sake, man, go somewhere else that will satisfy you. 

observation. I am a conservat

observation. I am a conservative--I am (no longer) a Bush fan, but it seems to me you are obsessed with your hatred for him.

hmm  and you are not upset with him wasting half of your money on this boodoggle on the other side of the earth??

I think (lately) he is a dork. Whatever he or Clinton did in the sowing of their oats as young men is of no concern to me.

yep, then tell your favorite newstation to compare his wasted youth with hiltons??

 You stand out as an attack dog for anything not liberal, then you get angry when you are rebutted. You insult and get insulted back. You insult the intelligence of the subscribers to this blog,.

hmmm and this site does not have anything better to do than attempt to destroy my credibility??

 You flat out state that you cannot get an intelligent debate. I have come to realize from your debate style that no argument will ever persuade you that there are other people as smart as you, or , perhaps even smarter.

then resign yourself that you have no answer to your self proclaimed dork thinks he is above the law!

Then for Heaven's sake, man, go somewhere else that will satisfy you. 

when rush either goes off the air,and we dont get clones of him like glenn beck filled with hot air that  you dont even agree

bye

Thank you Montana Lyons

So sweet of you to cut and paste a previous post.

May you be blessed with wisdom.

Certainly there are others more intelligent than we, but must we assume you are among them?

Why would this site seek you out to destroy your credibility?  Were we trolling for you?

How long have you had these feelings of inferiority, LOSER?

Lysdexics Untie!

Why would this site seek you

Why would this site seek you out to destroy your credibility? 

hmmm, what has been the policy of fox spin ever since its conception?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Sheesh, Monty....Cry me a riv

Sheesh, Monty....

Cry me a river.

Why don't you take your pity party elsewhere?

You've become totally boring.

Good riddance.

blonde you whine more than ka

blonde you whine more than karl rove in a senate hearing that he would never go to

too funny

let me know when you learn something above middle school ? get out of this site until you can contribute more than an emotionally disturbed child...stay in the neo primate gallery! but this will be my last post in this faux if a childish mind insists of having the last word. the debate never happened and so I am pretty much done with this faux forum

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Whine, Monty?Pot calling kett

Whine, Monty?

Pot calling kettle.

Kinda childish little taunt there Monty.

Try again.

P.S.  Grown ups CAPITALIZE our sentences.

Oboy Monte Liar is back

Perhaps their policy has been to make a profit reporting the news.

Is this a novel concept to your socialist bean?

This "free press" you refer to isn't "monetarily speaking" free.  You see, "free press" means the press is "free" and unbridled by the government.

Why would this site seek you

Why would this site seek you out to destroy your credibility? 

hmmm, what has been the policy of fox spin ever since its conception?

Monty I'm sure Fox was created for the sole purpose of destoying your credibility.  Are you truly that psychotic?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.   

sure Fox was created for the

sure Fox was created for the sole purpose of destoying your credibility

of destroying the credibility of anybody liberal...I am amazed you all dont see the right wing bias shoved down our throat for every moment cept when fox sidetracks us half the time with bs about hilton or nichole..

in regards to the other neoundertals that live on this site, save your hot air for the banana gallery

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

the funny thing is fox is now shown regularly at mcds...next thing they will continue to brainwash the walmart cutomers with properrightwinggander...

LMAO 

LMAO 

Monty if I could ghost-write

Monty if I could ghost-write for you I couldn't make you look any more foolish than what you write shows you to be!

Ghost writer? Is that how Bus

Ghost writer? Is that how Bush was able to write essays and pass Yale?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Who will be the first person to answer the question with a full sentence? sorry to continue the forum at this childish level ...let me know when you  forgo the insults and write something  in regards to government families and Bush employees to be above the law?

Don't you have anything on po

Don't you have anything on point or on topic?

Other than your continual BDS and faux news phobia?

Sheesh.  How utterly boring.

BDid you read the string down

B

Did you read the string down?  Fox news was created to discredit Monty, a truly psychotic notion.  I really could not have made this up!

"There's no fool like a troll fool"  

Bruce,Monty's been a troll he

Bruce,

Monty's been a troll here longer than any.  Go figure.

Paranoid....and full of BDS.

Tiresome, yes?

I don't know, Montana

I don't know Montana.  But he did pass.  Perhaps he did the best he could with what he had.

Not everybody has their education handed to them.  He did, I didn't.

Should I hate him because he comes from more money than I do?

Is that where we are?  Should I hate God because some people are smarter than I?

Should you hate me because I believe in something I can't see?

Why do you care how President Bush made it through college?

formerly known as Riled One

I dont feel that its right fo

I dont feel that its right for someone with lots of money to unfairly get his way through college. I dont feel its fair that Bush was able to get away with many crimes because of his wealthy and very powerful connections. I dont feel that its reasonable jouralism when they continue to waste their time with Paris when they were too intimidated to discuss Bush's shady past and Cheney to get away with hunting while drunk!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

thankyou, cool arrow, for being  one of the few that can be somewhat civil on a brainwashed site!

Ive asked botch and blonde to leave but they continue to rant on childishly ....but they have never shown evidence of carrying on an "intelligent\" discussion.

I don't feel it's right for s

I don't feel it's right for someone to interject themselves where they're not wanted and whine incessantly.

So what?

How's that for a liberal rant, Monty.

I don't feel, I don't feel, I don't feel.

Don't you get it?  None of us particularly care how you "feel"?

GMTA Blonde

I guess I was channeling you.

formerly known as Riled One

I saw that.  Maybe double mi

I saw that.  Maybe double mind strenghth, or at least really loud singing of "Feelings" will make it sink into Monty's head.  Or somesuch.

Dyslexics Untie!

"The vice president has

"The vice president has admitted that he was drinking on the afternoon of the incident. He claims it was only a beer, according to the transcript of an interview with Fox New Wednesday. But the whole discussion about how much drinking took place on the day of the fateful hunt has been evolving rapidly since Katherine Armstrong, the wealthy Republican lobbyist who is a member of the politically connected family that owns the ranch where Cheney blasted his hunting partner, initially claimed that no one was imbibing before the incident. "

"

Cheney claims that he downed beer hours before he shot Whittington. But he now has a lot more explaining to do than what was seen during the "softball" interview on Fox News, the Administration's house network, which the White House crisis management team arranged for him to do Wednesday.

When legitimate questions arise regarding the role that the Secret Service might have played in undermining the investigation of a shooting in order to protect the vice president from embarrassment, and possible legal charges, those issues have to be addressed fully and completely. And they must be addressed in a setting where reporters are able to press the notoriously cagey Cheney to actually answer all of the questions that are asked.

Up to now, the whole "hunting-accident" controversy has been little more than a diversion from more serious matters involving Cheney--not least among these, the investigation into whether the Vice President authorized the release of classified information as part of a scheme to discredit critics of the Administration's rush to war. But if Cheney used his Secret Service unit to prevent a necessary and proper official inquiry at a time when it might have uncovered relevant information regarding his condition when he shot a man, then the Vice President has abused his office in a most serious manner.

The prospect that such an abuse occurred requires Cheney and any White House aides who were involved in "managing" the story--put Karl Rove at the top of this list--to stop stonewalling and provide a detailed explanation of their actions in the hours that followed the shooting incident. This is certainly not the only issue on which the Vice President needs to come clean, but it is no longer a joking matter--or, more precisely, it is no longer merely a joking matter.

John Nichols's book The Rise and Rise of Richard B. Cheney: Unlocking the Mysteries of the Most Powerful Vice President in American History (The New Press) is available nationwide at independent bookstores and at www.amazon.com. Publisher's Weekly describes it as "a Fahrenheit 9/11 for Cheney" and Esquire magazine says it "reveals the inner Cheney."

and doctors have reported with his medical condition, it would only take one beer for the old man to be intoxicated!

hmmm ..how do we say above the law??

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Monty

Don't tell anybody, but at one point in my life or another I drove an automobile when I shouldn't have.  I'm not proud of it, and I guess I'm a hypocrite because I'm against the practice.

Even lost family to drunk drivers but I still made the same mistake.

Please forgive me for having taken this action in the past for I am sure you have never done such.

I'm fortunate I didn't hurt anybody.  How have you avoided this near occasion of sin all your life?

formerly known as Riled One

So you sniffed coke, got stop

So you sniffed coke, got stopped for a dui and were only slapped on the wrist?

If its no big deal for silver spoons to have youthful indiscretions, then why does fox spend a third of its air time on Paris??

Would your family be able to keep the police away for a day until you sobered up?

I guess this site will never admit to its own hypocrisy??

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Monty, you just answered

You just answered my next question.  I can appreciate your not wanting to be forthcoming at this time.  There is after all, point to be made, isn't there?

As for "Would your family be able to keep the police away for a day until you sobered up?"  I didn't know you were talking about Chappaquiddick.  But no, my family wouldn't have let me get away with disappearing overnight while the passenger of my car rotted at the bottom of a river.  They'd probably disown me

formerly known as Riled One

neoundertal logic- bring up c

neoundertal logic- bring up clinton and if that doesnt work bring up a kennedy who's youthful "indiscretion" happened before they were born

nobody is above the law

but this party seems to make excuses for their own party breaking criminal law!

I guess since kennedy broke the law, its ok for cheney to have the rich lawyers friends keep out the police until he's sober?

But you wont answer the question either, will you, riled one?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Thank you all for giving me some entertainment. Let me know when someone can come up with something original...repubs have to dig up stuff before they were even born

too funny!

auf wiedersehen!

Youthful Indiscretion?

Teddy was already a senator for about seven years when he committed this "youthful indiscretion".  You want it your own way.  A sitting Senator, or a fortunate son before he even ran for his first public office?

You're not being honest.

formerly known as Riled One

Look, both parties have the

Look, both parties have their skeletons in and out of the closet. It doesn't make it right. You're hunt is rather ridiculous. It doesn't matter if Teddy Kennedy's crime happened in 1969 (when he was 37 years old) or that Bush's crime happened in 1976 (when he was 30 years old)...(a side note, there is only 7 years difference between the two events so your whining about digging up things from the past is quite funny to me). Bush's crime was a misdemeanor offense, Kennedy's (if the allegations are true) is a capital offense. But I digress.

My point here is that law enforcement has a great degree of discretion. Meaning they can pick and choose what they are going to bust or what they are going to overlook. Many times this discretion tends to be very forgiving when a prominent family is involved (sometimes without any urging from said families). It happens. It's not right, but it happens all the same--on both sides of the aisle, and in all walks of life, and in every country.

I'm in the USAF. I have been enlisted for over 11 years. In my time I have seen many, many enlisted people's careers destroyed by DUI's (and rightly so) at the same time, I have seen a major get two DUIs within 3 months and just receive a slap on the wrist. I've heard of numerous other officers that are let off the hook for DUIs, domestic "issues", and various other illegal behaviors. I also worked for a Colonel that got several DUIs at two different bases (I was stationed at both places when they happened). He kept getting warnings...he finally had an "improper relationship" with a junior officer and was more or less forced to retire...had he not had the DUIs he'd still be on active duty, if he didn't have the improper relationship he'd still be getting warnings every time he got a DUI. The sad fact is that the system may not be perfect and the people administering the system are even less perfect. It's an endless battle, you will not get rid of corruption in our justice system or our politics. I don't think any government has existed for very long without any corruption.

So come up with something a little more productive than trying to point a narrow finger at a very broad problem that plagues both parties.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

Thankyou, Dr. for your honest

Thankyou, Dr. for your honesty in that both parties are guilty about being above the law. Why should we waste time on paris when govt officials and powerful families have been above the law?

why should we dig up the past?? you all whine about Teddy and clinton when its old news...we should continue to show how some powerful people have continued and will continue to be above the law@

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

So what's your suggestion for

So what's your suggestion for a solution to this problem?

It takes two parties (sometimes only one) to "overlook" an infraction. The well-connected family and the law enforcement agency...sometime the L.E. agency takes it upon themsleves to overlook it to save face, paperwork, and the hassle they assume they will face if they proceed with accusations/charges. Sometimes D.A.s decide it's not worth pursuing.

So what do we do? We have corrupt people that bribe, we have corrupt people that accept bribes. We have lazy people that try to avoid extra work and hassles. We have still more people that have a career goal or agenda they are pursuing and certain things will throw obstacles in the way if they aren't careful.

With all of the failings of our justice system, I still think it is better than any other system in the world. Not many other places in the world that assume innocence until guilt is proven. I suppose the best we can do is teach our children to have the highest integrity possible through our example and to elect officials that have exemplary integrity.

Good luck in that though...as long as a man doesn't hold himself to a higher standard than what society deems appropriate, the very nature of man is corrupt and corruption will continue to worsen as society will allow more and more latitude as to what is acceptable.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

It is very hard to find an im

It is very hard to find an impartial judge to overlook the indiscretions that the president and his henchmen get away with . It is also very difficult when they fire republican judges and have supreme authority. This presidency has had more authority and flagrant abuse of power than any american president in history!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

I'm sorry, but with all due r

I'm sorry, but with all due respect, you are an idiot that is willfully 'stuck on stupid'.

"This presidency has had more authority and flagrant abuse of power than any american president in history!"

Oh really? What about...

I don't believe for a second that Republicans or GWB have completely clean hands either, but as far as corruption, abuse of power, and scandalous behavior the Clintons have them all beat in spades.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

your line of dialogue was goo

your line of dialogue was good and you were behaving very well , doctor liebe, up till this point....sad

Its funny whenever we criticize bush, you idiotic brainwashed dittoheads bring up clinton, so all the illegal wiretapping, starting a war on fake evidence, rove being the mastermind behind the attorneygeneral gate, etc., etc is ok in your books...fox spin  sure made an impression on you , doc of love?.,,. as soon as fox spinned out of rupert murdoch's evil aussie womb , it masterfully manufactured more spin on clinton every day than all the trash they tell on their infamous celebrities..its sad that educated folks (?) as yourself eat it up as gospel..

hey at mcds now, you can watch fox on the go while you inhale your bic mac of right wing corporate bs!

.If they spent even a minute amount of the time they waste on hilton on digging up the abuse of power of this administration, bush would have been impeached a long while ago. Instead they get the charismatic mumbler of right wing propergander, brit hume, to spin any news to favor bush , cheney and the whole washington mafia!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Once again you assume I and

Once again you assume I (and every other conservative) watch FOX News. I don't. I can't stand any TV news. In fact, I watch maybe...maybe a grand total of 2 hours of TV in a week and all of it is for entertainment. And big deal if FOX decides to cover insignificant celebrity stories, at least they aren't featuring sob stories about students having to pay the piper when their student loans come due like all of the othe network news outlets do. None of the links I provided were from FOX, so your conclusions are quite off the mark.

I am not a Republican--and I never will be, as they aren't conservative enough for me and they continually move left especially with fiscal policies. However, I usually vote Republican because they have the candidates that align the closest to my views. I think very few conservatives adopt their views because of FOX news as FOX news really isn't very conservative at all...it is right-leaning moderate at best, but usually pretty middle of the road for the most part. I held my political views before I even heard of FOX news.

All you regurgitate time and time again are the liberal talking points: "illegal" wiretapping, "fake" evidence, Rove being behind everything, evil corporations, and EVIL FOX News. It's the same continual circulation of Leftist BDS zombie talk that has only conjecture as a basis.

Learn to think for yourself. Develop your own political views from reading, researching, and doing a lot of thinking and introspection, you may find you arrive at conclusions that are in stark contrast to the DNC party line and everything you learned in college (assuming you are old enough to have gone to college).

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

 Monty says: whenever we cr

 Monty says: whenever we criticize bush,

 A mouse in your pocket?

Multiple personality disorder?

Admitting to using talking points?   Think for yourself Monty you've become democrat automatatron babble machine

Montana's "Feelings"

Oh, puhleeze Monte.  Get over your feelings.  I don't feel this.  I don't feel that.

Quit your damned pity party and start thinking.

Feelings and $5 bucks will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Feelings will get you a first date on eHarmony

Don't expect feelings to sweeten the bullcrap life you hate your parents for.

formerly known as Riled One

sure Fox was created for the

sure Fox was created for the sole purpose of destoying your credibility of destroying the credibility of anybody liberal      Monty

Just because you're psycho doesn't mean we aren't out to get you eh Monty?

Right;  me, Blonde, Bush and Fox News planned it all  

 

Bruce,Would you mind leaving

Bruce,

Would you mind leaving George out of it at this point?  I'm a tad annoyed with him right now.

I see your point on the immig

I see your point on the immigration front, and truth be told he hasn't answered my calls in a month now, so okay George is out.  Brit did call though, and said he has a story in the works to burn Monty

Brit Hume

Will Brit's story be a tease or will he expose the full Monty?

formerly known as Riled One

Since i envision Monty in the

Since i envision Monty in the vein of a Mikie Moore some things are too scary to be exposed 

You two crack me up.Are you s

You two crack me up.

Are you sure you aren't brothers or something like that?

We've had family posters here before, it can be rather amusing.

Brothers?

Twin sons of different mothers:

Meisner and Fogelberg

We went to different schools together

The Jaggerz

formerly known as Riled One

"Twin sons of different

"Twin sons of different mothers".

Where have I heard that before?  I'm thinking Heinlein.

Must say though, no kidding, you two are like two peas in a pod.

(Oh how I want to do a smiley face, but I've busted Deb for the treacly emoticons, so must cease and desist myself, drat!).

Twin sons of different mother

Twin sons of different mothers:

co-joined separated at birth 

Free Press

Monty, if we had a FREE PRESS it would be OK.  They're paid off by the Libs/Dims & report half truths.  What is the current DOW, NASDAQ & S&P.  What is unemployment rate?  What is interest rate?  & we can go on & on, but we never heard these things of GOOD NEWS do we, only tidbits of the BAD part.  If you dislike the USA so much, why don't you leave or run for office yourself! 

They're paid off by the Libs/

They're paid off by the Libs/Dims & report half truths

who pays of the right wing media and the large stations??

half truths like faux news? Do you have evidence or facts but neos never have facts, only spin or spend half their air time sidetracking the audience with stories about Paris (if she was a bush daughter with the family disease, there would nothing about. it on any of the major corporation paid news channels,)

 What is the current DOW, NASDAQ & S&P.  What is unemployment rate?  What is interest rate? 

You tell me.\

How much of our tax dollars goes to the military industrial complex and halliburton instead of for education. with no child left ahead!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

redneck response to libs,

"If you dont like the govment, why aint you left yet?"

At least Halliburton actually

At least Halliburton actually gets a ROI for their money.  Pouring money into public education is just as effective as pouring money into a black hole. 

You have yet to answer me, MT Lyons/rhayes.  If money solves EVERYTHING in education, then why aren't NY, NJ and DC churning out vast armies of Shakespeares, Salks, Mozarts, and Baarnards every single spring? 

Well?

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I agree american education ne

I agree american education needs serious remediation. If we were to look at other countries we might learn ...

I would much rather our money go into promotions that motivate students to have jobs and work with businesses rather than needlessly wasting money into our beloved military industrial complex.

"

"  Pouring money into Halliburton and the military industrial complex is just as effective as pouring money into the administration and big energy companies' pockets" 

If you would answer some question about why you feel Bush is above the law then I might discuss shakepeare with you ...   and if you want me to respond to you anymore quit being a jerk! You at least have some quality in your response but I would still put you in the top 10 hippo trolls who love to give it out but take umbrage when it happens to you..

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Serious remediation

"Serious remediation" can only come from returning to a free education market, which will drastically-reduce (not eliminate) the power of teachers' unions. Teachers' unions seem to have the same kind of disproportionate effect on the Democrat Party that companies like Halliburton and some others you cite in Eisenhower's (let's give a good Republican credit, why don't we?) "military/industrial complex" seem to have on the Republican Party. The solution, in all cases but especially education, is to get big government in all its forms entirely out of the picture. What do you, Montana Lyons, think of the website linked? Please note, though some conservatives here may like it, it's explicitly NOT a "conservative" website. It's far more radical than anything any self-respecting conservative, at least in Florida, would ever even consider. I'm very interested in the opinions of Balboa and you on this site and the ideas contained. Thanks.
JMR

Sarcasmo, are you for opening

Sarcasmo, are you for opening up the borders completely so we can hire asians to teach our children for minimum wage...Big business hates workers getting together to negotiate wages...

"are there no work houses? are there no prisons"

who said this?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

My general feeling on migra

My general feeling on migration of people from country to country is "a tall fence, but a wide gate." For example, I may wish to live in a central American nation for a while soon, both for fun & to work on my Spanish. I'd be a hypocrite to say "nobody can come legally to the USA," but national security considerations say what's been done both before and especially since 9/11 is very irresponsible WRT coming ILLEGALLY, and I point the finger at the executive branches of all administrations in my lifetime, but especially Bush, as 9/11 should have awakened us. Now, what do you think of Separation of School and State?
JMR

Sarky, check out the Teacher's Unions in CT sometime

Teacher's Unions?  Sarky, check out the Teacher's Unions in CT sometime.   They, joined with the government employee unions, have all but destroyed the state.  

Through the method of binding arbitration, they have raised the taxes of every town in the state, one by one, to the point that we are rapidly losing population, while our infrastructure is crumbling.

For all NB posters and readers:  if your state attempts to install "binding arbitration", fight it tooth and nail!    

Same thing, albeit possibly

Same thing, albeit possibly-slower, seems to be happening here in FL. I would never want to outlaw these unions, but it's obvious that their interests aren't in educating kids as job #1, and that's why they need to face the rigors of a free education marketplace. It's amazing everyone who'd never trust a single public milk company to give good milk for kids are so willing to trust a single public school monopoly to give them good education. Oh well. The crosses we bear...
JMR

If it IS happening in FL, fight it with everything you have.

If it IS happening in FL, you need to fight it with everything you have. It takes awhile, but I guarantee you that it will destroy your state, town by town. Like dominoes, each town will be FORCED to keep their teacher salaries "in line" with the town that just went before.

Well, it's a problem endemic to both "major" parties here, RJ

For example, when I ran as a Large-L Libertarian in 1992, the teachers unions gave more than my entire campaign budget to my (tax and spend -- he voted to raise both!) REPUBLICAN opponent, even though the Democrat was (literally) practically a socialist -- I kid you not. Any successful politician in this state, Democrat or Republican designation almost doesn't seem to matter, is in the teachers' union pocket. I'm not sure which is more powerful and insidious, them or "Big Sugar." It's a tough call. The only good solution for now is homeschooling -- the "vote with your feet" solution.
JMR

My vote is for the Teacher's Unions

I know about sugar, but my vote, by a wide margin, is for the Teacher's Unions.

   Long term, they do the most damage, both to the economy and to the chil'run.

just like private business of

just like private business often takes care of prisoners...;they are doing a great job neglecting these evil criminals..who cares about prisoners and poor kids who need an education?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Indeed, educators don't care

Indeed, educators don't care if poor kids get an education or not.  Just look at DC and see what they do at the tune of $13,000 per student.

All that money, and for some reason, zero Mozarts, Shakespeares, Baarnards, Salks, Edisons, and Einsteins...

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Lion!!! Dont feed him! I get

Lion!!! Dont feed him! I get tired of hearing the same old thing out of this peanut. He can only manage one thought at a time.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I've got a plan bass

Put him in a round room and tell him the waterless urinal is in the corner.

Lysdexics Untie!

Good idea Riled. Be years bef

Good idea Riled. Be years before he figures it out.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Riled....Laughing out loud to

Riled....

Laughing out loud to beat the band....

Excellent!

....thanks for the best line I have heard in awhile....it's a keeper.

Hey lets try again: or then I

Hey lets try again: or then I realize that the debate is over and repukes are too embarassed to answer the question and have therefore lost:

  • Do you think Bush and Cheney are above the law?

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

  • if the ignorant leave anymore insults, the forum will officially evolve  into the little communal circle jerk that they do so well by themselves.

  • monty...NO

    The answer is NO.

    Such simple questions

    Is ANYONE above the law?

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    Above the law

    Yes, Illegal aliens are above the law.

    Lysdexics Untie!

    Ok its been decided.  Its ok

    Ok its been decided.  Its ok for Bush and cheney to be above the law , but Fox would rather talk about hilton being above the Law and waste 25% of news time diverting the publics attention from the screw up bush made in Iraq!

    end of debate ... those wanting to leave insults please go to neonderthal gallery.

    bye

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    Monte Python

    Monte, you can't argue for free.

    Lysdexics Untie!

    Blah blah Bush and Cheney bad

    Blah blah Bush and Cheney bad blah blah. Blah blah FoxNews sucks blah blah.

    New talking points Lyons.  This is getting old.

    stupid is as Monty does

    "Stupid is as Monty does!"

    I am done with this troll. Others with differeing opinions at least try to be intelligent or at least use references. I have wasted enough time with his mindless rants. He is just that...a waste. He won't clean-up his act on his own...as others have advised me, I would encourage others as well to stop feeding this troll.

    If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

    Stupid is as Disney turns fa

    Stupid is as Disney turns fantasy into fact""

    So how do you feel about Disney creating fantasy nonfiction, Lion King? too funny

    I am done with this troll. Others with differeing opinions at least try to be intelligent or at least use references.

    what references do want for Bush and his youthful indiscretions? Its kind of hard when the king and his royal family supressed most journalists from exposing the truth/..

    . He won't clean-up his act on his own.

    You expect me to behave like a saint after your fellow primates leave nothing but insults on  this forum?

    ..as others have advised me, I would encourage others as well to stop feeding the neoundertals with faux news! so lets have fox talk about paris hilton and anything that doesnt have to do with the Bush family disasters!

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    "There's no fool like a

    "There's no fool like a troll fool"  

    I will gladly have a debate w

    I will gladly have a debate with some civil conservatives but when you act like children dont expect anything more than disney channel!

    this site is always the best place for a good laugh! and laughter is good medicine...its only depressing that almost half the country is this stupid!

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    stay off this forum unless you can say something of intelligence..

    but thats not possible here

    I will gladly have a debate 

    I will gladly have a debate 

    Monty, you've already shown yourself incapable of debate (give and take, answering questions, etc) 

    You sow what you reap 

    Montana's false post

    I keep waiting for you to correct this:

    "A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. "Montana Lyons

    Guess what:  The free press is already gone in a totalitarian government.  If you are going to quote yourself, say something that makes sense.

    Like "DUH"

    formerly known as Riled One

    Ok, when did the free press l

    Ok, when did the free press leave communist russia and Nazi Germany?

    when we become like 1984 lihe Bushistas want it to be, then we will only have faux news! Isnt that the way this site wants it to be? fair and balanced?

    dont make me laugh...laughter is good medicine :)

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    cool arrow has gone to the level of the banana loving neoundertals..

    Hello haysie!Is that you?You

    Hello haysie!

    Is that you?

    You forgot to whine about censorship, haysie.

    What are neoundertals? &qu

    What are neoundertals?

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

    neoundertal-primates that can

    neoundertal-primates that cant think for themselves and even regurgitate insults. Their iq is even less than Rush and Glenn Peck.

    They love to give it out but cant take it.They insult liberals all day and never give any original contributions to the site but if their name is mispelled they will write letters to Bozell and the other ceos of this site and congratulate themselves on getting another liberal banned.

     When they set up forums they expect others to follow the rules but break the rules of liberals that want to set up their own forum.

    They usually can never say more than regurgitated mush from fox or rush and won't be happy until the right wing has total control of the media.

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    'neoundertal' is a real wor

    'neoundertal' is a real word then?

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

    montana

    Montana with all due respect, when you come in trying to provoke an
    argument what do you expect? I mean the points about Bush sniffling
    coke, he lied about going to war, mission accomplished etc are really
    old points.

    I just got into it in 2 past threads on why I think
    the Iraq war was not worth the price that we paid. As expected many on
    this site disagreed with what I said but with the exception of one
    poster who questioned my patriotism, I did not get flamed once.

    All these complaints about
    Bush are counter productive. If you have not noticed there is not much
    love for the Decider on this site lately at all. In fact the Democratic
    congress approval rating is only slightly higher than their republican
    predecessors. Some of it is because some of the more liberal Americans
    are upset about not pulling out of Iraq but for independents like me
    it is because they are wasting time with all these investigations. The
    Gonzales thing is old, he has less than two years to go, let him stay.
    The thing that bores me the most is the whole Valerie Plame thing and
    pre war intelligence. Who care how we got there? We are there now and
    congress should doing all they can to support our troops and providing
    them with decent armour and health facilities instead of trying to
    attach a pullout date along with pork ridden war funding bill.

    You
    don't need to add fuel to the fire when it comes to Bush. He is done.
    He has lost Republican support"except the war" when he questioned their patriotism on
    this immigration bill even though they stuck with him on everything
    else. Bush pretty much spit in their faces.

    Anyways Montana, this is conservative website, did you expect them to embrace Hillary? if you tone down the rhetoric, you will not get flamed so much.

    Shawn, thank you for your tho

    Shawn, thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comment. You are right and you have asserted yourself politely. Too many liberals , however, feel that they need to be as meek as colmes and are afraid to speak out against continual abuse of power that only repub appear to be getting away with. Fox news (?) more like spin), everyday attacked clinton for far less. The press is afraid to really go after the president , unlike the good ole days when journalists could really point out what was wrong with the war in vietnam and the abuse of power by Nixon.

    Gonzalez, Bush, Cheney have all gotten away with crimes far worse than a blowjob and if there was a left wing fox, they would be on the everyday about their crimes!

     The
    Gonzales thing is old, he has less than two years to go, let him stay.

    and get away with his crime without even a slap on the wrist? Shawn, are you sure youre not republican?

    The thing that bores me the most is the whole Valerie Plame thing and
    pre war intelligence. Who care how we got there
    ?

    shawn, do you think that there should be no consequence for beefed up faux intelligence to start a war?

     We are there now and
    congress should doing all they can to support our troops

    we should support them  with all the health care and armor they need, but do you con tinue to give the junkie (military industrial complex) more cocaine to feed his habit?

    Do you want this boondoggle to continue on until  the next generation gets old enough to die for this mistake?

    Thank you , Shawn, it is nice to have a conversation without expletives on this site!

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    Hey Montana,One thing a

    Hey Montana,

    One thing about me, I never flame anybody unless they do it to me first. I agree Bush will not go down as one of the greatest leader of our country, but in many ways you are being unfair but we will save Bush till last.

    First we will start off with those journalist you mention. I hear about how bad Iraq is day in and day out. Nixon also did not have youtube to point out his mistakes and gaffees within minutes. Have you ever heard one of Bush's press conferences? I bet he cringes everytime he calls on David Gregory and Helen Thomas, they are like Vipers waiting to strike.

    We already had a investigation on Gonzales. It has resulted in the resignation of the deputy AG, Monica Goodling and others. He has already tesified under oath and just like a big marketed fight it was a sleeper. No be revelations just the AG saying he did not remember anything. Who cares? What good will it do to beat this dead, horse I doubt they will uncover anything. I'm not Republican or Democrat, I like to vote for the person that will do the right thing.

    I will not argue with you about the intelligence being a little exagerrated, but over all Congress all saw the same evidence and they gave the President the Authority to go to war. Democrats were all smiles when things were going well, but when things went south in Iraq they turned on the President.

    "We owe a great debt of gratitude
    to our troops, to the President, to our intelligence services, to all
    who had a hand in apprehending Saddam. Now he will be brought to
    justice."

    Hillary Clinton"

    Ok lets talk about Bush,. Just like I could have cared less that Clinton inhaled or not, I could not care less that Bush did a few lines in his younger days. Big deal. He pretty much has had his own way for the first six years of his Presidency and now that the Dems have taken over. He seems like a beaten man. The Dems hate him because they think he is a liar and a cheat and the Republicans have soured on him because of fiscal spending and immigration. Even the Republlican candidates are slamming him along with Colin Powell and Newt Gingrich. The fact that he had deal with all this and he does not cut up a few lines and have a shot of whiskey actually shows he has character.

    PS, I am enjoying the interaction between you and Mene Gene, but if you guys decide to continue, could one of you please start a new post ,it is getting awfully skinny:)

    Shawn,Maybe you could ask the

    Shawn,

    Maybe you could ask the forum ceo if he would give that right back and I could start one. If not, you are a very reasonable polite man and I would be glad to come to your forum!

    When I have time to think about your lengthy letter, I will respond to a few of the points especially about consequences for the attorney general and bush.

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    and in regards to the politeness of the forum why not tell BOtch that hes no longer invited. I wont respond to him. This is because many of these dudes love to incite libs into getting down to their level of middle school ranting.

    Shawn, thank you for your tho

    Shawn, thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comment. You are right and you have asserted yourself politely. Too many liberals , however, feel that they need to be as meek as colmes and are afraid to speak out against continual abuse of power that only repub appear to be getting away with. Fox news (?) more like spin), everyday attacked clinton for far less. The press is afraid to really go after the president , unlike the good ole days when journalists could really point out what was wrong with the war in vietnam and the abuse of power by Nixon.

    Gonzalez, Bush, Cheney have all gotten away with crimes far worse than a blowjob and if there was a left wing fox, they would be on the everyday about their crimes!

     The
    Gonzales thing is old, he has less than two years to go, let him stay.

    and get away with his crime without even a slap on the wrist? Shawn, are you sure youre not republican?

    The thing that bores me the most is the whole Valerie Plame thing and
    pre war intelligence. Who care how we got there
    ?

    shawn, do you think that there should be no consequence for beefed up faux intelligence to start a war?

     We are there now and
    congress should doing all they can to support our troops

    we should support them  with all the health care and armor they need, but do you con tinue to give the junkie (military industrial complex) more cocaine to feed his habit?

    Do you want this boondoggle to continue on until  the next generation gets old enough to die for this mistake?

    Thank you , Shawn, it is nice to have a conversation without expletives on this site!

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    The free press left the Sovie

    The free press left the Soviet Union right around 26 October 1917 (or 8 November 1917 for those of you who prefer the Gregorian calendar).

    And even then, I could argue it didn't really have one, as the Czars had their censors out and about.  A dirty little secret: for all their bluster about correcting the misdeeds of the Czars, the Communists sure loved their institutions.  That thing we called the KGB from the mid-1950s on to the end of the Soviet Union actually had Czarist antecedents. 

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    Montana Troll

    Please read through your previous post and tell yourself just what you added to the conversation.

    I'd love to have a spirited conversation with you, but by the time I've finished typing this post you will have left the building.

    How many blogs are you trolling?

    formerly known as Riled One

    How does this site feel about

    How does this site feel about powerful families in government being above the law?

    Posted by Dave R on June 12, 2007 - 23:30.

    Posted c/o Montana Lyons as a courtesy.
    (See Debra, I may just make it to Heaven after all)

    Dave R,

    I believe you meant well, but in the future, please don't drag others through hell on your way to heaven.

    karma-- I am at a loss--

    karma-- I am at a loss--

    "Dave R,

    I believe you meant well, but in the future, please don't drag others through hell on your way to heaven."

    Did I miss a post or two?? How is Dave R dragging others through hell//

    Sincerely--I do not understand your post!!!

    Hi misterbill,No, you didn't

    Hi misterbill,

    No, you didn't miss a post. In trying to use as few words as possible, others may often miss my point. I should have added some lol's, smiley face things and/or some other things I know very little about.

    I think DaveR did a very nice thing for Montana Lyons. Once I started reading Mr. Lyons' remarks, I thought..."Oh my God...?" Which made me think back to DaveR's quip to Debra about making it to heaven after all. As I laughed to myself, I thought...."on his way to heaven, he's dragging me through hell (reading Mr. Lyons remarks). I meant no harm to anyone.

    *Chuckling* Karma, I go your

    *Chuckling* Karma, I go your point and laughed out loud with your first post. I like your sense of humor already ;-)

    "Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

    Thanks JAB. I always told my

    Thanks JAB. I always told my kids that someday, someone other than them would laugh at me. (insert smiley thing)

    "The boar who takes takes himself to be a stag, discovers his mistake when he comes to cross the ditch"  - a Chinese Clint Eastwood?

    Libby is a surrogate for Bush

    Libby is a surrogate for Bush and Cheney. They couldnt let him serve prison time. In their own concience ... they know they should be in jail for starting a war on manufactured evidence so they had to rationalize that he didnt do anything wrong and

    they want to ration alize the lining their own pockets from this war!

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    I remember the good ole days when the president and his vp were not above the law@

    Explain

    If only you could explain how they are lining their pockets from this war.  You won't, because you can't. 

    MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!!  THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!

    Bush's Former Oil Company Lin

    Bush's Former Oil Company Linked To bin Laden Family

    http://www.rense.com/general14/bushsformer.htm

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    Unsane will whine about the sources as he always does....prove to me that he and his family have not been in the oil company pockets for decades!

    http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2004/0128oilprofit.htm

    Bush's Former Oil Company Lin

    Bush's Former Oil Company Linked To bin Laden Family

    http://www.rense.com/general14/bushsformer.htm

    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

    Unsane will whine about the sources as he always does....prove to me that he and his family have not been in the oil company pockets for decades!

    Montana

    Hey Montana,

    This thread  is getting way too long. Since you say you do not have the ability to start a new forum, I will start a new one for you. Would you like to keep the same topic or change the title, just to mix things up a bit?/

    Halliburton

    What I want to know is, who is going to get Lady Bird Johnsons Halliburton shares? Do you think Cheney orchestrated Lady's death to clear the way for one of his cronies?

    I mean it's entirely possible right?/

    Sorry masterofdeceit. I sure

    Sorry masterofdeceit. I sure know what Halliburon is, but I'm afraid I don't have any idea who Lady Bird Johnson is. If you want to post a new topic yourself you are more than welcome, but Montana complains he does have the ability to start a new thread and this one is getting pretty long in the tooth, so I am offering to start at new one for him.

    More on "LB" J

    You have no idea who "Lady Bird" was?

    I am sure you researched the topic online by now, but she was the First Lady from 1963-1969.  During and after her husband's time in office, she was known for her conservationist efforts.  (I remember her crusades against highway billboards in particular.)

    MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!!  THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!