John Edwards on 9-11: 'We Should Treat It As An Act of War'

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In a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations on Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards rejected the “metaphor” of the “war on terror” that America has been fighting since the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

But appearing on ABC News on September 11, 2001, just a few hours after the attacks occurred, Edwards left no doubt how he felt the country should respond to al Qaeda’s terrorism, declaring “We should treat it as an act of war.
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ABC’s World News last night and Good Morning America this morning offered no coverage of Edwards’ 9/11 flip-flop. A report on Edwards’ speech posted on ABCNews.com offered no hint that Edwards had used their airwaves on 9/11 to push for a “war” response to terrorism, i.e., a war on terror.

Instead, ABC’s Raelyn Johnson offered a mild summary of Edwards’ new anti-war on terror stance, including his claim that the “war on terror” is a “discredited ideological pursuit.”

In an address to the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, Edwards framed the current situation in Iraq around Bush administration policies that he opines have strained the military and increased the threat of terrorism, specifically the global war on terror.

“We need a post-Bush, post-9/11, post-Iraq American military that is mission-focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats — not misused for discredited ideological pursuits,” said Edwards.

“The question is, what should replace the war on terror?” he asked.

Reading the entire speech (posted at RealClearPolitics.com), Edwards plainly argued that the “war on terror” reaction to 9/11 was a mistake that has only aided our enemies:

By framing this as a “war,” we have walked right into the trap that terrorists have set--that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war against Islam.

The “war” metaphor has also failed because it exaggerates the role of only one instrument of American power — the military. This has occurred in part because the military is so effective at what it does. Yet if you think all you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail.

But back on September 11, 2001, Edwards — who had only been in the Senate for a few months — managed to snare Barbara Walters for an interview in which he boasted about the work he’d done to beef up American security, and vowed that the terrorists would see a “resolute,” “powerful” response.

When Walters asked if that meant war, Edwards replied that if the attacks were proven to be the work of another state, it would certainly be war, and that in any event “I think we should treat it as an act of war.”

An excerpt from ABC’s live coverage, from around 10:05pm EDT on September 11, 2001:

BARBARA WALTERS: Senator Edwards, you’ve had concern now for quite a while about terrorist attacks and had wanted more security. What should have been done?

SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS: Well, actually, Barbara, there are some of us who have been working on some legislation--a law that’s directed at doing specifically that. Senator Graham, Bob Graham, Dianne Feinstein and I along with others, have drafted legislation before this incident occurred that does three things. One, puts more resources, more money into fighting terrorism, counter-terrorism. Two, coordinates all of the federal agencies, and I think there are 41 of them that are involved — who are involved in counter terrorism; it creates a terrorism czar, to oversee that effort. And third, gives the director of the CIA more legal authority to do what needs to be done to fight terrorism.

I might add, Barbara, I think that the people who have committed this act — these acts on the United States, who killed all those innocent men and women and children today, underestimate the American people. And I think what they’re about to find out is the American people are strong, they are courageous, and they are resolute. And our response will be powerful.

WALTERS: Is this war?

Sen. EDWARDS: I think when--whenever we see the kind of attack we saw on the United States to--today, certainly if it were state sponsored it would be war. And I think we should treat it as an act of war.

WALTERS: How do we combat this kind of terrorism?

Sen. EDWARDS: We need more money spent on combatting terrorism, which is such a serious threat to the American people. We need to coordinate, to make sure that all of our agencies are working together in a coordinated fashion to fight these folks. And number three, we need to make sure that the legal authority is in place so that the director of the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, can do what’s necessary to fight these people.

—Rich Noyes is Research Director at the Media Research Center.


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Somebody will eventually ask

Somebody will eventually ask him some difficult questions. Boxers or briefs, John?

money

and how much of the money for terrorism and counter.. and etc. will go to feinstein's hubby ??  hmmmm???

never look a gift skunk in the tail ..

treatments

they ought to treat libs and dems as an act of war ..

never look a gift skunk in the tail

Isn't it funny how the dim'

Isn't it funny how the dim's own words keep coming back to bite them on the rear? Contradict yourselves much?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Accept for the fact that the

Accept for the fact that the MSM never points out this stuff when it's a Dem doing it (which happens all the time), so the vast majority never hears about it.

Like in 1992 when, within hours, Clinton spoke before a family values group and said gays shouldn't have special rights and later that day spoke before a gay rights group and said the exact opposite....this was all over conservative talk radio but was never mentioned once in the MSM... 

"I think that the people

"I think that the people who have committed this act — these acts on the United States, who killed all those innocent men and women and children today, underestimate the American people. And I think what they’re about to find out is the American people are strong, they are courageous, and they are resolute."

Or not? This is like a bad dream, how can folk's support this knucklhead?

He will not come close to win

He will not come close to winning the Presidency.  But he's right about the American people being strong, courageous and resolute - he's just not one of us.

I don't know about you, but

I don't know about you, but Al Qaida are terrorists and they are in Iraq. [refer to the link]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

All the money in the world is

All the money in the world isn't going to help the spin Edwards sit's on and spouts to become President.

Loser.

Btw...Is anyone else having trouble with this site today?

bigtimer,Yes, it is very slow

bigtimer,

Yes, it is very slow in going to the next page, especially after making a comment.

I am so tired of the Breck Gi

I am so tired of the Breck Girl and his fawning to the extreme left.  He has pushed his agenda further and further to the tinfoil hat side of the libs every week. 

He will say anything, do anything to get nominated.  I hope the libs see him for what he is: a charlatan lawyer who wants power.  This is not for the good of the people, this is for himself.

"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid."
-John Wayne

 

Will Edwards ploy of playing to the far left work?

Will Edwards ploy of playing to the far left work?  Maybe. 

1)  Hillary is currently pretending that she's not a far left Socialist.

2)  MoveOn has just issued a warning to Democrats that not holding the line on war funding will have "consequences."   

3)  Edwards has despicably called to use Memorial Day as a protest to the war.

4)  Edwards' platform calls for a Socialistic "Working Society" (his words) that includes cradle to grave government control of our lives.

For the far left, what's not to love about Edwards?

RJ, One thing that they have

RJ, One thing that they have failed to point out is Bin Laudin declared war on us in 1996. 

Wait, that was during Clinton so he must have been pulling our legs.

SOMEONE WAKE ME UP WHEN THESE LIBS FINALLY GET IT!!!!

"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid."
-John Wayne

 

And remember, when Clinton's

And remember, when Clinton's Justice Department indicted bin Laden in 1998, they stated-as fact-that al Qaeda and Iraq had a working relationship. In 1998.

But as we all know, the Dawn of Time and all recorded history began in January of 2001.

Airforce...He can't get much

Airforce...

He can't get much further left without tilting over and hitting the ground if you ask me.

Glenn Beck had a great parody of the Breck girl last night...it was delightfully delicious.

more liberal hypocrisy

Is it any wonder that Pretty Boy was Kerry's running mate?

"I voted for the war before I voted against it." - Flip-Flop Kerry, 2004

"We need more money spent on combatting terrorism".  Flip-Flop Edwards, 2001

"The war on terror is a discredited ideological pursuit." Flip-Flop Edwards, 2007 

More hypocritcal liberal psychobabel!

Never dance on an empty stomach unless it's a liberal.

A lot can change in 6 years

A lot can change in 6 years.

You mean like the number of

You mean like the number of active brain cells liberals still have?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

That small fact is getting sp

That small fact is getting spooky isn't it Mighty?

One thing about it...it is becoming obvious for all to see.

bt...Plus it's getting easier

bt...

Plus it's getting easier considering you can now count the number of cells using one hand.

Help a wounded soldier here...

http://newsbusters.org/node/12877

I know you can't see me, bu

I know you can't see me, but I'm rolling my eyes...

You can't deny the libs are

You can't deny the libs are contradicting themselves and using the war as an excuse to take back the white house. Admit it...

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

If you admit that Republica

If you admit that Republicans will try to scare everyone into electing them, and question the patriotism of those that don't.

Ok. some people need a few

Ok. some people need a few scare tactics to act properly and btw those people are the same ones acting unpatrioticlly. Your turn...

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Fear is rarely a good way t

Fear is rarely a good way to win over people. And of course our defitions of "patriotism" vary greatly.

But the point here balboa,

But the point here balboa, is that they WERE "won over" when they authorized the overthrow of Saddam. Now the have changed their minds because it's taking longer than expected? BS... it's because they want the white house so bad they will tell any lie they can to accomplish that goal. Don't you find the political BS your party is pulling, sickening?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I find political BS by both

I find political BS by both sides sickening.

I think people saw that something had to be done in 2001-02, but now that, in their estimation and many other people's, the war has been badly mismanaged, that opinion has changed. "War on terrorism" doesn't mean what it meant before, in regards to this administration. It used to mean taking action to ensure our safety. Now it's an all-purpose catchphrase to throw out to try and scare people, to hold themselves above democrats even though that war on terrorism is less than exemplary, IMO.

balboa.... "exemplary&

balboa.... "exemplary" ? "mismanaged" ?? This is WAR !!! This is also the clear example of the idealogical (a word I don't like, but using for lack of...) opposite-ends views between those that understand that war -- like being bullied by a punk kid day in and day out -- is unavoidable sometimes, and those that think in a utopian way and NEVER want to fight, anyone, anywhere, no matter what. So when you're in a war, no matter how pretty or messy it is, if people are dying at all (yeah, it happens... sucks, but again, "war") then you start hearing words like the ones you're using.

Also, war is not a company jockeying to make the best quarterly profits ("mismanaged")... again, it's WAR. Actually, in an industreous (sp?) company-like way, Rumsfield made every attempt at going in streamlined, with a small-ish army (as, of course, if it was larger then we'd look even MORE like warmongers... but we always do, no matter what), to take out Saddam... and guess what, succeeded with FLYING COLORS. And they indeed had a plan, I'm sure, to replace the government. Most of the chaos (which I must also remind you has been minimal relative to most past conflicts -- yeah, very minimal, in terms of soldier deaths, but granted, higher w/ civilians because it attracted terrorists) that has ensued over the 4 years since has been the hand of outside/Iranian-backed killers, going in and fanning flames between the religious sects, and we've had to adjust on the fly against a barbaric, covert enemy.

Don't get too hung up on th

Don't get too hung up on the lingo.

I don't have much faith in a guy like Rumsfeld who will make a comment like "last throes" when it's really not true. If that's the handle he has on things, then it's not a very good handle.

And I don't think there's been very good communication. The administration has treated this war as if to say "Hey, don't worry about what's going on. We're busy with war. Don't worry your pretty little head about it."

But of course fear is your driver for votes Balboa

But of course fear is your driver for votes Balboa.

First you say there is danger and vote for the action in Iraq. Then you say " IT'S CAUSING MORE TERRORISM". "THIS IS GOING TO REALLY HURT US - BLOWBACK! BLOWBACK !"

Even as you screamed, as we went into Iraq, that 911 blowback was from NOT REBUILDING AFGHANISTAN post USSR 1989. You demand we STAY IN IRAQ and REBUILD, and not abandon it to the blowback from 1989...

THEN, you say " Bush said no nation building".

 THEN you say "terrorism isn't dangerous, Iraq was not dangerous to us " You never explain how Yugoslavia/kosovo/bosnia/balkans was dangerous to us, but you DON'T WANT TO - BECAUSE INSTEAD YOU CAN INSTILL FEAR BUSH IS A WAR MONGER - END OF OIL STORY.

Yes, then it's the OIL - fear that.

Then it's a CHRISTAIN BIBLE ARMAGEDDON SECENARIO - the bushanti-christ wants to usher in.

 THEN - it's the NEW WORLD ORDER

Then - IT'S A SECRET PLOT TO TAKEOVER AMERICA DECLARE MARSHALL LAW AND TAKE AWAY ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS !

You MIGHT be able to note, that FEAR is the guiding factor in all your left wing demoloon jackass MORON excuses which CLEARLY outnumber in scope and breadth any "fear" the administration "tries to rule with".

 Indeed, the BEST FEAR they could induce is " ALLOWING ANOTHER ATTACK"....

WHICH IS OF COURSE WHAT YOUR LEFT WING LOON SIDE HAS BEEN PREDICTING FOR SOME YEARS NOW.

As usual, your jackass lib loon complaint is the entire BASIS of your own actions and party position, in MASSIVE proportion.

                                    HYPOCRIT LIAR FOOL

 

 

 

Stunning.

Stunning.

"stunning"

"Stunning"

I kinda liked it too. Good one SP.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Really? Which part did you li

Really? Which part did you like best? Where attributed things to me I never said or the HYPOCRIT LIAR FOOL part? Or the lunatic rambling in general?

The first sentence:"Bu

The first sentence:

"But of course fear is your driver for votes Balboa"

SHACK!!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

How is fear my driver for v

How is fear my driver for votes. I don't even know what that means.

The BIG BAD BUSHY MANS GONN

The BIG BAD BUSHY MANS GONNA GET YA! VOTE DEM!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Oooookay....

Oooookay....

It's very good to fear the th

It's very good to fear the theory of global warming...

But bad to fear the theory of terrorism, the theory that the WTC was destroyed, the theory that Al-queada types want death to the USA, the theory that Iran wants to nuke Isreal...

Did I win anyone over:)?

Haha. No, I don't think &qu

Haha. No, I don't think "scaring" people with global warming is the right idea, either.

And there's nothing wrong with letting people know that terrorism exists; I think we all know that. But to use it as political leverage, to say, "Vote for us, you live. Don't and we'll all be in burkas by June" is not something I respond to.

Vote for a Leader, not the hype

Who WILL you vote for, Balboo ?

Bablao

Babbleao.

 Vote for us - because Bush has caused more terrorism by going into Iraq.

Vote for us libs, you live. Don't and the terrorists will thrive and expand under GWB, as they have been - Bush is creating terrorists and hatred of us the world over.

We'll all be in WW3 buhrkas. AQ is recruiting like mad because of Bush.

 HYPOCRIT FOOL BALBOA.

Um.... no

There is only one definition of patriotism balboa: devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty. Any other definitions that are in other dictionaries, are similar in wording and/or meaning. The left's attempt to change the definition of patriotism, is something that I will not tolerate. If you are attempting to change the definition as well, I will not tolerate that either. Patriotism has nothing to do with dissent. It has nothing to do with trying to undermind the military's mission overseas, in an attempt to turn public opinion against a president, so the opposite side can be elected over him or his party.

You cannot change the definition of patriotism, in an attempt to make your acts, or the acts of liberals, as being patriotic.

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boa...You mean like this....h

boa...

You mean like this....http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4162.html

Here is the latest from the big bad boogie men in the Republican party....I love it! 'bout time they fight back!

Going right after those newbies that were the so-called conservative dems....lol!

Balboa,Yes, a lot can change

Balboa,

Yes, a lot can change in 6 years.  A lot can change in 6 seconds...remember September the 11, 2001?  How long did it take for over 3,000 peolple's lives to end?

The sign of an intelligent person is that they are self-critical, and are willing to alter their views based upon new evidence.  So let me ask you...

In 2001, Edwards was going to support President Bush in this War on Terror.  In 2004, he was going to destroy all of the terrorists and increase the funding for anti-terrorism measures.  But now, in 2007, as a Presidential candidate, the War isn't a War anymore, it's a "bumpersticker slogan," it's an "ideological doctrine."  Has John Edwards changed from Tide to Downy detergents?  Has he gone from Coke to Pepsi?  Domino's to Pizza Hut?  No.  He's gone from supporting a War through funding, through legislation, through action, to pretending that there is no war at all.  He is a sick, sick person.

John Edwards has professed two entirely different sets of beliefs about our nation's role in fighting global terrorism and radical Islam.  There is a disconnect there, and it will keep him from even sniffing the White House. 

I'll tell you what an "ideological doctrine" is: jihad. 

Google it.  Google it.

Now I can be like Rosie too!!!

remember September the 11,

remember September the 11, 2001?

I love it when conservatives say that. It's so profound.

Who's a conservative??  What

Who's a conservative??  What does conservative mean? 

That I tell the truth?  That I have an accurate memory?  That I'm a nationalistic American?  That I work hard and take responsibility for my actions?  That I prefer to keep more of my money instead of giving it to the government?  That I believe in God?  That I love my family?  That I stick to my ideals? 

If that's what you mean by conservative, then thank you. 

By the way, you're an enemy of this country when you try to speak so dismissively about that day in our history.  You are lucky that you weren't killed on Septemeber 11, but sadly, some people just won't stand up for anything until it's too late. 

But not us.

By the way, you're an enemy

By the way, you're an enemy of this country when you try to speak so
dismissively about that day in our history. You are lucky that you
weren't killed on Septemeber 11, but sadly, some people just won't
stand up for anything until it's too late.

Oh yawn. More posturing. I speak dismissively of your throwing the statement out, not of the day itself or the events. You guys throw it out so often as some kind of trump card that the day has almost lost it's significance. Now it's just a tent pole in the conservative platform. I remember everything about that day. My anger, outrage. I would be one of the firsts to stand up for military action, and felt that way then...but not one run by this administration. They've mishandled this war. I don't think I could trust them to fulfill any goals.

"They've mishandled th

"They've mishandled this war."

Ah, the "tent pole" for the dems. How do YOU know this war has been mishandled? And how do YOU know any other administration could have handled it better? Anyhow, if it was mishandled so badly, why didn't the all knowing dems make sensible suggestions instead of crying like a bunch of babies who had their knees scraped?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

"They've mishandled this

"They've mishandled this war."

It's always great when the terrorist sympathizers throw that out - it's so profound isn't it:)?

ironic isn't it ?

Isn't it ironic; the ones who declare this war already lost; who would only vote to surrender to Jihadies, are the same ones that gave us Slick Willy. Who was home ecstasizing at the lips of Monica Lewinski while the terrorists brought us to the brink of major disasters.

I'm confident that coming up to the next presidential election we'll once more see that film, "Path to 9-11," -- a grim reminder of WHO leads and who shirks responsibilities. The latter are always Democrat icons. And we have one already salivating at the chance to be President. The same elitists from Little Rock, and they think we've dozed off.

Anyhow, if it was mishandle

Anyhow, if it was mishandled so badly, why didn't the all knowing dems
make sensible suggestions instead of crying like a bunch of babies who
had their knees scraped?

That is the great failing of the democratic party, a result of their HORRIBLE leadership and vision. I'm not going to sit here and pretend the dems are any better in this whole mess.

:-) And I was starting to w

:-) And I was starting to worry that we wouldn't have even one single point of agreement on this topic. Whew! :$-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

More scare tactics from the babbly bal lib blubberers

More scare tactics from the babbly bal lib blubberers:

" They're playing right into Bin Laden's hand. He wants us in the middle east."

" Our military can't sustain this level, we're crumbling. We don't have the manpower. "

" The troops lives are WASTED"

" Iraqis want us OUT "

" The Iraqis have to stand up for themselves " ( we demo crybabies don't)

" I'd want a nuclear bomb too if I was another nation and saw Bush in the White House "

" Our troops are a target over there in this war " DEMurtha cries in absolute horror

" We've lost our standing in the world, we have no allies left "

" There has been more terrorism since we went into this failed illegal occupation of Iraq than ever before "

" They won't follow us home, they don't have to - we have homegrown terrorists like Timothy McVeigh "

AND ON AND ON AND ON - TRAITOR DEM JACKASSES

" The only way Bin Laden can win is if we give in to this administration "

" This looks like the nazi death camps " DEM on gitmo

" They're spying on all Americans, we won't let them lock us up without a trial and due process!!!"

" They've destroyed the Constitution !"

" The war in Iraq is lost "

" We abandoned the war in Afghanistan "

" The neocon PNAC agenda is total global domination , and Bush has them all here, they've been plotting it since Daddy's administration. It's a decade plus long plan !"

Exactly MM... Over the cour

I re-posted above, sorry... this was the wrong spot :p

And look at them now. Near

And look at them now. Nearly all the high profile dem players are on record as saying "somethings gotta be done about Saddam!". Now they are saying "we didn't say that"?!?!? WTF!?!?

But look at the delicious position they are in now. They authorized the war but the bush administration had to wage it. So they do everthing in their power to make sure Bush loses it so they can come save the day in 2008 by promising to get out of "Bush's war". Sound to me like the prez and the people of the United States have been set up by the charlatans in the Democratic party (and a few pussy republicans as well).

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Exactly MM... Over the cour

Exactly MM... Over the course of the 4-plus years, have the dems/congress proposed BETTER, more "efficient" (how's that for a word? :p) ways to fight this war?? No, basically, when soldiers began dying (OMG, death in a war!) they began beating the another-Vietnam drum like back in 2004, and slinging mud at the White House... to coddle up to the large, always-anti-war segment of the left.

"I would be one of the f

"I would be one of the firsts to stand up for military action,..." But not stand up and join uh? Sounds like lib double speak. What exactly have they done that you would have done diffrently? Considering you vast military back ground and experience and all. Just how would you have dealt the death blow, bal?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

"I would be one of the

"I would be one of the firsts to stand up for military action,..." But not stand up and join uh? Sounds like lib double speak.

That's the same reasoning as people who say "Send the Bush twins to Iraq if you love this war so much!"

What would I have done differently? Well, one I wouldn't let my staff grandstand with statements that they have no idea whether or not they're true, such as "Last throes," "we know where the WMDs are," or "slam dunk," I would not EVER land on a ship with a banner that said "Mission Accomplished." Just thoughts.

But hindsight, 20/20, blah blah blah. I'm sure you must think it's been a gleaming example of military precision?

bal, What I see in your reply

bal, What I see in your reply is a non reply. The bush twins are female, are you? Your reasoning on that is flawed. Not letting someone speak their mind? Thats anti American. You dident address one thing about the war. Not one! All you have done is demonstrate your ability to talk about someone that said something somewhere. I dont care who said what where. Thats not what I asked you. I asked what you would have done diffrently? And got nothing in reply. How would you have proscuted this war diffrently? What tactics would you have employed? Or would we still be begging the UN for permission.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

So if the Bush twins were g

So if the Bush twins were guys, it would be a valid point?

I think the president is fully within his executive powers to not let someone speak their mind on a topic. I'm sure he does it all the time.

As for the other stuff, that's my reply to how I would have handled the P.R. I guess. As far as actual war, I would have gone in with more people at the beginning. That's all I got. What would you have done differently? Anything?

Bal, the bitching started o

Bal, the bitching started on day one from the MSM and the left. Day friggin ONE!! And it hasn't stopped yet.

And I would have done something very different, two words: NO "JOURNALISTS"!!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM....Period!(I too have stat

MM....

Period!

(I too have stated that for a verrrry long time, biggest mistake we made as far as I am concerned.)

Just needed to throw that in there...

frankly, balboa

It seems a foregone conclusion you would never have gone to war, either against the Taliban or against Saddam Hussein. You would've been satisfied to visit the UN every year or so to threaten what you never had the guts to actually do.

That's what makes Bush such a formidable president; exactly the man for this job. He follows through with his best intentions. Honestly; and remember that. He HAS NOT lied to our people or to the coalition. We ALL believed the intel, and even Saddam's own generals thought he had the weapons. The whole UN saw it as well. -- W kept his word every time. Despite the near daily lies and insults leveled against him, he's been resolute. In fact, PR is unimportant to Bush. PR is all of it to oafs like Clinton; all is image, not responsible wielding of power.

bal

Why dident you say you have no idea what you would have done diffrently? That more people is somewhat of a blanket statement, made by those who havent the foggiest idea what war is or what it is like for those fighting it. More people doing what? Thats a big crap load there. Your nothing but a dem Parrot on the subject. No practical knowledge at all. And I dont know what or if I would have done diffrently. I dont have the intell to make a decision. I can tell you one thing I would have done, but you wouldent like it. When attacked at the Syrian border by their military, early in the conflict, I would have gone on into Damascus.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I admit I don't have milita

I admit I don't have military knowledge to make decisions like that. I can really only comment on what I don't like about what has occurred.

"More people" is a bad reply on my part. It feels like the right one because we don't seem to be any closer to leaving. We just seem to be treading water. We have the greatest military power on the earth, but we're no closer to leaving it seems.

You say that we're no close

You say that we're no closer to leaving, but out of curiousity -- who is "we" in your book? You're not there, you've not been there, so there is no "we" in this. However, as for the "no closer to leaving" part -- you say this, but what do you base it on? Reports from the media? Oh... excellent choice to base such a statement upon. However, I maintain, that we are close to leaving Iraq. Letting the entire world know that our mission is almost complete in Iraq, is simply irresponsible to do. That completely aside -- our mission in Japan and Germany was done in 1945 -- how close are we from leaving those countries?

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"We" as in the U.

"We" as in the U.S. :\

I base it on news reports. What do you base your idea on that we're close to leaving?

Germany, Japan: Our presence in those two countries isn't exactly the same as our presence in Iraq, unless I'm missing something.

Simple

It's really quite simple...

First, I know the area over there... I was there... OOOPS!! On the spot reporting from the press, my eye. I know the people's attitude in Iraq. I base my opinion on the subject on the conditions that are existing in Iraq -- They have their Constitution. They have their government in place. They are formulating their Army, and patrol almost the entirety of their country without US assistance, and finally -- their economic structure is in tact, as well as their re-construction of the country is almost complete. I base my opinions of the situation, on what was seen when I was there -- not what a media that has a vested interest in seeing the mission fail tells me to see.

As for Japan and Germany -- I'm not overly surprised that you will refuse to see any similarities between Iraq and them. In case you didn't ever read in your history books -- when World War II's major military operations were ended, we helped rebuild the countries -- and we're still there with a military presence in both, 62 years later. Guess what? We're helping the rebuilding of Iraq, and it's only been 3 years since the end of major operations in Iraq. So -- stop dodging the question balboa: when are we going to get out of Japan and Germany? We've been done there for over 60 years -- and we still have a presence there. Three years, compared to sixty-two years isn't all that bad -- to someone with patience, as opposed to the 30-minute sitcom crowd we seem to have commenting opposite me.

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Obviously when I say "

Obviously when I say "Leave Iraq" I mean remove the majority of our troops so that we're merely a presence. I'm sure we'll have some kind of presence their for a long time. I don't mean EVERYONE out of Iraq.

And I appreciate your firsthand account of what you saw in Iraq. It's truly nice to know that there is hope.

Okay then

We're starting to get somewhere... what, to you, is an acceptable level of presence in Iraq? In Germany, we have over a hundred thousand troops, if I remember right. Now, in Iraq, we have far less then that.

As such, what do you consider an acceptable number for presence in Iraq?

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I don't know what an acceptab

I don't know what an acceptable number is. Maybe it isn't the number but the level of threat they face every day. I'd like the troops in Iraq to be in as much danger as those in Germany.

Why do we have more troops in Germany than Iraq?

And so jackass liberal

And so jackass liberal, the footprint of American troops should be there, and give bin laden his complaint anyway.

Great, you're a brilliant tactician.

 Then, when the middle east explodes with another Saddamite or Amen-jihad blasting into one of more than a dozen nations in  the oil straights, you and yours can claim the USA gave the goahead, again, and it's our ally we've been propping up - and just REPEAT VERBATIM what Bin Laden's complaints are, and call in your retarded left wing fanatics of revolution ThoughtPolice and WhichWing and the leadership of the demorat party to totally agree with you.

 You people have utterly lost it. The jackass bin laden is tossed out of the country he whined "the USA props up " - because HE WANTED TO TAKE IT OVER HIMSELF, AND TRIED TO.

 That fact is utterly and completely lost upon you morons. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE, AND CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN ONE HATE AMERICA THOUGHT IN YOUR TINY CRANIUM AT ONCE.

Rest assured Balboa

Rest assured Balboa, you always miss everything.

bal, we are still in Germany

bal, we are still in Germany and Japan. We will still be in Iraq and Afghanstan also. The solution to the problem is simple, but nobody, including ALL those in DC, is willing to do what is nessary to solve it. If you eradicate Islam, flush the Koran, and kill every man, woman and child that is Islamic. Poof. Problem solved. Face it. When you live to blow yourself up at a young age, and your taught that from birth, to counter early termination.

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Wow...just like the mission

Wow...just like the missionaries? Like the Inquisition?

Eradicate 1.3 billion people and their religion. GOOD LUCK.

bal, see? Told you you woulde

bal, see? Told you you wouldent like it. But admit it or not, that is the quick solution. And the Inquistion was not about killing a religion. It was about conquest. Twist it anyway you want. I never said it was the best solution, or the only solution. But then, I have never been that diplomatic. More like a bull in a china shop...but like to come in the back door.

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bass,I am with you on the Syr

bass,

I am with you on the Syria situation...

I know that Russia had a convoy and we have pictures if it going into Syria before we got into Iraq and I still think to this day that is exactly where the WMD's are.

I have heard that the President does not or cannot say anything about this because of the votes needed from Russia in the UN.

Makes me furious...you also have George(I think that is his name) Sada who wrote a book and the media did not have on very much of course who worked for the Baath Party and Sadam who claims he flew weapons to Syria before we invaded.

Everyone knows Iran is working hand in hand through and with Syria.

Time and history will tell the truth after all is said and done.

No doubt BT. Had we not stope

No doubt BT. Had we not stoped after 25 miles, and eliminated the military, that border would be secure today, and the WMD's would have been found.

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Sure bal, go in with MORE tro

Sure bal, go in with MORE troops... look MORE like the "powerful zionist empire"..... STILL find yourself in a country where suddenly all these suicide bombers are sneaking in over the vast borders of Iran/Syria blowing up vegatable stands and planting IED's.... all the while, you have double the American troops "footprint" on what might be an even more "chaotic" scene.

Problem

You cannot say the war was mishandled, if you have no experience, and are unable to quote exactly what should have been done, that would have altered the course of the war in Iraq. "More troops" from the beginning is not a winning argument since more troops does not equal success.

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More troops doesn't equal suc

More troops doesn't equal success?  Hmmm.  It's a shame you didn't tell our fearless leader that before he committed to this recent troop surge.

Genius

Wow... you are so intelligent some times, it really hurts to watch you at work. You ask a single person on these forums... ask any of them, if I have ever supported an increase in troop levels. Ask anyone -- even balboa will tell you that I have been against any increase in troop levels every time it is mentioned. Everyone on these boards will also tell you what I have said in regards to Colin Powell's and Eric Shinseki's Cold War mentality of winning wars. You can ask every single person here -- and they will all tell you the same thing: I have never ONCE supported an increase in troops because I know that doing so is just a waste of manpower. Increasing troops does not solve the problem of not knowing WHO the enemy is. If there were uniformed soldiers fighting against us in Iraq, then increased troop levels, MIGHT have an impact. However, when your enemy blends in with the surrounding people, and kill with the use of a cell phone and a bomb inside of a goat carcass -- higher troop levels, do not make a success.

Also, take the time to read the entire wording of what I said... I said, "More troops from the beginning...". Just when I think your inability to read can't get any "better", I turn around, and you surprise me. Why don't you sit down and let the adults handle this one, huh?

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I never said you did.  I was

I never said you did.  I was merely making a general comment based on current events within the context of your remark.

Settle down partner.

Would love to

I'd love to settle down... however, due to an abnormally low amount of sugar in my blood... I'm very testy right now.

However, I do not now, nor have I ever, supported an increase in troop levels. I have maintained -- when Bush's decision was brought up originally at the beginning of the year -- that the increase in troop levels, was nothing more then political pandering to Democrats, who campaigned last year on increased troop levels.

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Oh yawn.  You're a hopeless

Oh yawn.  You're a hopeless fool.

Sept. 11th has only lost significance in the mind of the left, THAT's the main difference between the right and the left in this country now.  I mean, just look at the what the leaders of the MSM and Democratic party say now.  They're basically in denial of terrorism altogether, and many of your ilk believe that 9/11 was executed by the CIA.  You're a coward and you would p*ss your pants if you were ever face to face with a terrorist.  Good thing we actually have brave men and women in this country that are confronting this "boogeyman" that G.W. has invented. 

Thanks for the broad generali

Thanks for the broad generalizations that have no basis in anything I've said. Solid work.

Broad generalizations?  Wher

Broad generalizations?  Where?  You mean where I point out that the MSM and the LEADERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY are telling us that the "War on Terror" is a fallacy?  How these same people are saying that the real ideological monster in this world is not hiding in a cave somewhere in the middle east, but instead is in the White House?  You follow the rules of engagement for a lib perfectly.  Rule number 1: Accuse your opposition of the exact thing that you participate in.

In this case, you ignored a post I made that was quite articulate and, IMO, was a good response to your post.  You answered it by saying, "I love it when conservatives say that, it's so profound."

Talk about writing something that has no basis in anything I had said.  You refuse to acknowledge flaws in your belief system - that makes you worthless, unless you're a lib, because thats prerequisite number 1 for getting into the club.  Congrats. 

I did ignore most of your res

I did ignore most of your response, and that was probably in bad form. I just get so tired of people asking me if I remember 9/11. It's a stupid question.

jpatch

jpatch, the stangest of things is the cowards pissing their pants turn toward those strong enough to defend them, and call them every name in the book.

 I suspect if they were surrounded by the jihadists, torture would not be neccessary, even though it would be executed, since the crybaby traitor would give up their fellow countrymen in an instant, just like the idiot press perps like Wallace claimed they would years ago.

 We have these traitors all amongst us, and they will never change their minds, unless their blood starts flowing like water all around them, and even then the outcome is very, very questionable at this point. 911 is a fantasy that happened where 99% of them weren't, and so it is as they have stated themselves, much more likely that they'ed be struck with lightning. Me, me me me me me me me me.

Sports,It must drive you craz

Sports,

It must drive you crazy that based on your broad definition of traitor, over half of all Americans are traitors.  That's not a good stat.

Wrong Leon

What ever do you mean my definition ?

Every democrat and lib I've ever heard speak has said they've been called traitors at every turn, even when they never have.

They've protested it far, far too much.

Not my definition moron. THEIRS.

As far as driving me crazy, I suppose there is a certain amount of that, when I see grown adult liars and fools act like 3rd grade idiots, OFTEN, and repeatedly. Like they're so damned dumb they can't tie their own shoes.

 However, I am a nice guy, and I'm more than certain continuing to educate the indoctrinated liberal idiots is in their and my best interests. I believe many of them function under the public school systems and newsspeak left wing medias BRAINWASHING.

 It is clear there are tens of millions who believe " the government always lie no matter what " - and that's just the average doof who never follows politics at all.

 They hear what the media has trained them to believe, and the demotraitors know this, and use it.That's how they morphed the focus groups, with their liberal idiot "feelings" politics. Screw the facts, how does this make you feel , what's your reaction, how do you view this, would you believe me if I said this or that ?

So, there is no reason to believe that many of the traitors even realize just how pathetic they've become.

 I've seen them myself, I've talked to them, I've even watched thier massive stupidity in this forum sometimes.

It's all ok, because in the end, the lesson will come, and if you are around to see it, you'll understand.

Over half Leon? How do you fi

Over half Leon? How do you figure that? Those figures from DU or KOS?

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"You guys throw it [9/11

"You guys throw it [9/11/01]out so often as some kind of trump card that the day has almost lost it's significance. Now it's just a tent pole in the conservative platform."

And therein lies the problem.  To far too many libs, 9/11 HAS lost its significance.  It is not, and will never be, a "tent pole" in any platform.  It was a wake-up call and a call to war by Islamist extremists who want us all dead.  Conservatives just happen to be the ones who have the resolve to fight back and destroy these people instead of engaging them in group therapy to come to an "understanding."  I'd just as soon not be in that therapy session when the terrorists blow it sky high.

Actually, the leftists desper

Actually, the leftists desperately want the rest of us to forget 9/11 ever happened. Because they know that it was their boy's fault, even though it happened on Bush's "watch".

Only a total idiot (and remember, according to ABC News' 2000 exit polling, Al Gore won over 80 percent of the high school dropout vote) could conclude that the entire 9/11 plot was conceived, planned for and executed in the 8 short months between Bush's taking office and that day in September. But that's what they want people to believe.

The fact that Clinton's own National Security Advisor would stoop to stealing classified documents about his boss' handling of al Qaeda intelligence just shows how desperate they are to change history.

right here balboa...Answer to

right here balboa...

Answer to this post.  You just copped out with that B.S. response.  Whats the matter?  Because you can't answer to this with your usual, "things change in 6 years..." blather?? 

You accuse me of writing things that have no basis in what you say, and yet you refuse/do not have the ability to answer this question in a way that is favorable toward your position, so you cop-out with that totally lame and worthless response.  I really want to know how you can justify John Edwards' OBVIOUS lying.  Or are you just going to make a broad generalization about conservatives and move on to something that is easier to manipulate??

What question would you like

What question would you like me to answer. I'll answer it.

I don't know if Edwards is lying. If he is saying this just to get votes, then you can't justify it.

You're saying there was a val

You're saying there was a valid threat against the US 6 years ago, but not now?

Dutch

No Darth Dutch

No Darth Dutch, they are saying the threat is much worse because Bush is in Iraq. They say the threat is massively expanded, recruitment is expanding and exploding, and that's why all this fear of terrorism is overblown.

 I know, they're ****'in kookballs, you have to sound like an insane gasbag to even repeat their stances.

 That's why they keep it to jackassed phrases and one liners attacking Bush. If you put two or more of their current ten thousand time repeated spews together, their insanity becomes instantly apparent.

That's why it's called the &q

That's why it's called the "fever swamp".

It will be intersting to see

It will be intersting to see how Daily Kos spins this one considering he is their favorite son for '08 or will Markos realize how incompetent this ambulence chaser really is and unhitch his wagon.

Unfortunately, in this pict

Unfortunately, in this picture, he reminds me of a little squirrel

(ah, that might become my new nick name for him)