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Moderator Chris Matthews opens the first republican presidential primary debate of the 2008 election at the Ronald Reagan Library, Thursday, May 3, 2007, in Simi Valley, Calif.
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Weekend Captionfest![]() Original caption: Moderator Chris Matthews opens the first republican presidential primary debate of the 2008 election at the Ronald Reagan Library, Thursday, May 3, 2007, in Simi Valley, Calif.
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This is a Republican Debate,
May 4, 2007 - 14:35 ET by JayTeeThis is a Republican Debate, do NOT let the Subliminal Democratic message of a BLUE background influence you in any way, we just don't have RED at MSNBC.
'Ladies and Gentlemen...I a
May 4, 2007 - 14:37 ET by BigB'Ladies and Gentlemen...I am proud to introduce:
The lastest crop of unworthy, uncaring, war mongering loosers that couldn't carry Bill Clinton's jock..Hi Mom!!
Now, this might sting just a little bit.....
I would like to introduce t
May 4, 2007 - 15:48 ET by pbanks7I would like to introduce the eight Republican racisthomophobemisogynisticoppressorsofthepoorandelderlyclosedmindedhaterwarmongers and they are....
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
I'm going to hold this piece
May 4, 2007 - 14:39 ET by GothampcI'm going to hold this piece of paper in front of my crotch so nobody notices I have just wet myself in anticipation of the intellectual beating I'm going to give these jokers.
Chris: *Evil Laugh* *Rubbin
May 4, 2007 - 14:44 ET by MightyMouthChris: *Evil Laugh* *Rubbing hands*
"Ok lets get started, shall we, hehe?"
"First question: Why is president Bush the WORST president ever?"
"Opps, I read that wrong, sorry, WHO is the WORST president ever? hehe"
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
haha.... as his projectile sp
May 4, 2007 - 14:46 ET by MrShyhaha.... as his projectile spit hits the camera..... a quick, scrambled cut to camera #4 on the candidates !! :p
My first question is : Have y
May 4, 2007 - 14:46 ET by Conservative in the ArtsMy first question is : Have you written your concession speech yet?
This question is for Senator
May 4, 2007 - 14:55 ET by MrShyThis question is for Senator McCain:
Senator, be honest, weren't you peeing in your pants -- as I am now -- during your heavily gaurded walk through Baghdad?
Open wider Matthews...your fo
May 4, 2007 - 14:53 ET by bigtimerOpen wider Matthews...your foot will be inserted not long from now....
Matthews: Just one more thing
May 4, 2007 - 14:53 ET by Hero SquadMatthews: Just one more thing, candidates. You may want to protect yourself like this during the debate, because I will be taking below-the-belt cheap shots at you throughout the entire debate.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Hero Squad
May 4, 2007 - 23:50 ET by Noel SheppardHS,
Winner of the best tag of the day. Nicely done. Gave me a much needed chuckle, and walk down memory lane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4IJx49NH_w
Regards. ns
Mathews
May 4, 2007 - 15:01 ET by PeterDMathews (laughing): " I don't even know why we're wasting our time here. Everyone knows the next president is going to be a Democrat..."
Next....
May 4, 2007 - 15:05 ET by acumenChris Matthews playfully changes timer on watch to 15 second intervals as he prepares for his 'soup nazi' GOP debate moderator impersonation. Next....
What? I'm an idiot? Oh, Olber
May 4, 2007 - 15:13 ET by benrandWhat? I'm an idiot? Oh, Olbermann? He's an idiot, you're right.
Ready...Aim...
May 4, 2007 - 15:27 ET by dukeofsipesReady...Aim...
Ready, Fire, Aim!
May 4, 2007 - 17:05 ET by BlondeReady, Fire, Aim!
"Now it's time to find
May 4, 2007 - 15:30 ET by Flashman"Now it's time to find out which one of these crypto-fascists has stopped beating his wife!"
Matthews, "Howard.....wh
May 4, 2007 - 15:42 ET by SouthernRootsMatthews, "Howard.....where's Howard Dean? Oh, there he is. Howard, what's the next question for our contestants?"
"Seriously, would it b
May 4, 2007 - 15:43 ET by JDW"Seriously, would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?"
Who felt protected during that administration?
How has it changed?
JDW
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
Brownback: I can make Chris
May 4, 2007 - 15:43 ET by CrimsonfistedBrownback: I can make Chris Mathews head THIS big.
WhatAMaroon
Matthews: "Why is ever
May 4, 2007 - 15:45 ET by MightyMouthMatthews: "Why is everyone laughing? Is my fly down or something?"
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Mitt Romney: Chris, after
May 4, 2007 - 15:52 ET by CrimsonfistedMitt Romney: Chris, after I am President, you.are.toast.
Moron.
WhatAMaroon
Chris: A Mormon president?
May 4, 2007 - 15:55 ET by LeonChris: A Mormon president? (*turns and mutters under breath*) Good luck explaining the Gold Plates.
Why?
May 4, 2007 - 16:03 ET by Mr. BishopSo, now you are being somewhat prejudicious? Why does Mitt Romney have to explain anything concerning the Gold Plates? I don't recall whether John Kennedy had to explain anything on the Catholic church -- since he did what Romney is attempting to do -- leave his religion in his private life.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
if he can't distinguish ficti
May 4, 2007 - 20:40 ET by dukeofsipesif he can't distinguish fiction, and a pernicious one at that, from truth, just how is it that he would make a good president???
The public pressure always exposes the private life...
Hardly
May 4, 2007 - 20:44 ET by Mr. BishopSince you know not anything about the Gold Plates, and since you assume that it is a work of fiction, you must also feel the Bible is a work of fiction. If that is true, then every president that this country has had in the last 200+ years have been bad? Oh, that's right... Jefferson was an atheist -- he must have been the only "good" president.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Jefferson was an atheist
May 4, 2007 - 20:49 ET byJefferson was an atheist no, Jefferson was a deist
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.
Jefferson
May 4, 2007 - 20:59 ET by Mr. BishopIf you go by Jefferson's words, he was a "unitarian" (at least, according to his words), so we are both incorrect on our original statements.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
actually he was both unitaria
May 4, 2007 - 21:04 ET byactually he was both unitarian and deist then. as you would be LDS and theist
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.
LOL!!
May 4, 2007 - 21:13 ET by Mr. BishopLDS and a theist? I don't know about that one ;) -- while I am certainly LDS, and I am certainly theist -- I am quite often at odds with the physical, biological, molecular and chemical ramifications of dismissing evolution, without being able to consider the possibility that evolution and creationism can, indeed, co-exist. I am a walking contradiction, I suppose, in some cases -- however, it allows me the opportunity to explain the unexplainable in both creationism, and evolution...
However, changing the subject back to what it was previously... I don't believe, for one second, that anyone who believes in the Book of Mormon should be discounted out of hand as being president. Doing so, creates the idea that anyone who believes in the Bible should be discounted from being president, and so on, and so forth. I, personally, hoped that Romney wouldn't run. The reasoning, is that the LDS church has gone through quite enough throughout history, then to have it thrust forefront of a presidential campaign, so these guys can ridicule it, when they don't even know it.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
my only comment was Jefferson
May 4, 2007 - 21:22 ET bymy only comment was Jefferson was a deist
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.
No, further
May 4, 2007 - 21:26 ET by Mr. BishopNo, I was referring to getting the topic back on track from where it deviated, to where it was, and should be.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
on the captionfest? seems i
May 4, 2007 - 21:33 ET byon the captionfest? seems it should be deserving of its own forum?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.
To a point
May 4, 2007 - 21:42 ET by Mr. BishopI was taking it back to where it belonged, yes -- the the captionfest. More to the point, I was trying to take it back to the comment(s) concerning that because someone is Mormon, they should automatically be discounted as president. That line of thinking, to me, goes very much against the First Amendment. However, as dukeofspies is increasingly showing me -- the LDS church will never have the luxury of First Amendment rights. It's always good to see that so-called "Christians" in this country only believe in First Amendment rights, when it suits them.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
concerning that because someo
May 4, 2007 - 21:49 ET byconcerning that because someone is Mormon, they should automatically be discounted as president.
Bish, i haven't decide on the primary (it's too early) but if Mitt is the candidate in the general i'll vote for him.
Dude... lighten up..
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.
Nah nah... not you
May 4, 2007 - 21:54 ET by Mr. BishopNo, I was not referring to you botg -- you and I are pretty open about our opinions on religion, and we've had some nice discussions (as far as I am concerned) about it. I know, full well, that you would not discount based upon a religion -- rather you discount based upon political ideals -- which is what a political election should be based upon -- political ideals.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
I was being nice when I refer
May 4, 2007 - 21:06 ET by dukeofsipesI was being nice when I referred to them as fiction. Rightly, they are more despicable than fiction, they are lies. Lies that have led people astray.
The book of morman, and other trinkates of that ilk, do not compare the Bible. It is the Bible, afterall, that is the foundation of the freedom of speech that we are both exercising...
No it's not
May 4, 2007 - 21:17 ET by Mr. BishopFirst of all, your words are, again, nothing but written of ignorance of the Book of Mormon. You've not read it, so you really have not station to comment upon it. It is impossible to be "led astray", unless you are led to not believe in the Bible. Since the LDS church reads both the Bible and the Book of Mormon... your words prove your ignorance.
Secondly, no -- the Bible is not the foundation of the freedom of speech -- the US Constitution is the foundation of our freedom of speech -- particularly the first amendment -- which, if I recall correctly, says that not only do we have a freedom of speech, but freedom of religion -- something you obviously don't agree with.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
I have to been poisoned to kn
May 4, 2007 - 21:27 ET by dukeofsipesI have to been poisoned to know that something is poison? You're logic fails you.
I know that the lds church uses both the book of Joseph Smith and the Bible and that proves a momumental lack of wisdom. The two are in separate leagues. How much rat poison does one need to eat before you get sick?
And yes, the Bible is the foundation of freedom of speech. It is the foundation of the liberty found in the First Amendment because we are created in God's image and therefore worthy of liberty.
I believe in a freedom of religion. Nobody's saying that you aren't free to be led astray.
Wow -- you are not only ign
May 4, 2007 - 21:39 ET by Mr. BishopWow -- you are not only ignorant, you are intollerant as well? Odd, but let's go with that.
How are the two in seperate leagues? Both are the word of God (oh, that's right... you blindly accept the Bible... but having never read the Book of Mormon, you KNOW it must not be -- however, carrying on). Both speak of Jesus, before and after his crucifiction, and both speak of the Lord. Wow... you're right -- they ARE in different leagues!
Right... you believe in freedom of religion -- your words prove that by your intolerance of it. You bet! No -- you only believe in freedom of religion, if everyone believes like you. Otherwise, you slander, smear and libel them to make yourself feel better. It's a good thing I am not the same as you, this could get ugly if I were.
And yes -- you DO have to be poisoned to know something is poison. Tell me something -- if you were to come up to two glasses, one poisoned, and one not -- how do you know which is poisoned? You have two choices: take a drink from one, or walk away. But, your "poison" analogy, while severely lacking in any logic, is really a bad way to discuss any religion. More of your venomnous attitude, I suppose, toward anyone that happens to believe differently from you on the subject of religion.
And finally... I say again -- you can only be led astray, if I didn't believe in the Bible. Since I do, and since the LDS church reads them both, and believes in them both -- there is no way that I could be led astray. You go on believing I do, it doesn't bother me one way or the other. However, comments of the ignorant, such as yourself, on the subject of the Book of Mormon, etc., only show everyone reading this, a severe lack of tolerence for the First Amendment... Oh, and by the way, why don't you show me in the Bible where there is a freedom of speech mentioned. I'm just dying to read the passage. Freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment of the US Constitution. Without the First Amendment, your government is free to stop you from saying anything it desires you to stop saying, at any time. Your "Bible" argument, they would laugh at.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Mr Bishop,Can you fill me in
May 4, 2007 - 21:53 ET by BlondeMr Bishop,
Can you fill me in on the reason why "mainstream" Christians are so fearful of Mitt Romney, and Mormonism?
The attack in the above post just sails over my head. I don't understand it at all.
Any light you could shed on the subect would be greatly appreciated.
Not really
May 4, 2007 - 21:57 ET by Mr. BishopIn truth Blonde, I don't understand it myself. I've always looked at a political election as being just that: political -- something in which you look at one's political ideals, and vote according to them. The constant attacks on Romney for being Mormon, only seems to reinforce, to me, their (from those on the left) fear of Romney as a candidate for whatever the reasoning, and the fear of the LDS church, from those who are not liberal by nature, but seem to hate everything about the LDS church, when they know nothing about it.
Your confussion is just as great as mine on this subject.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
religious intolerance
May 5, 2007 - 15:56 ET by RJI think the left does fear Romney, and, with the help of the media, are deliberately targeting those who are religiously intolerant. They're working hard to stir the pot and people like Debra and dukeofsipes, already predisposed to intolerance, willingly fall in line. The hope is for anti-Romney sentiment, with a basis in religion, to gain momentum.
RJ --forgive me- I am in a snarky mood
May 5, 2007 - 16:46 ET by misterbillRJ --forgive me- I am in a snarky mood--<sarcon>perhaps its the foot washing basins in the airports that the Mormons want--or the fact they won't ride in vehicles with a dog or perhaps. liquor. <sarcoff>
We will accomodate foreigners silly requests, (Call that intolerant, but it is DAMNED silly, not to ask for , but to get these perks), to accomodate their religious practices. Last night I posted that Mitt would make all men have at least 4 wives and I can barely handle 1. Come on, guys, this is America.
The first and foremost thing about a candidate, to me , is that he wants to maintain and strengthen America and its people. I don't give a fig if the person is Jewish, Catholic, Mormon or Muslim as long as we continue in the American way.
I'm with you, misterbill.
May 5, 2007 - 16:56 ET by RJI'm with you, misterbill. Religious intolerance is not something I'm willing to accept. Focusing on candidates who will maintain and strengthen America is always correct, but critical today.
Blonde - the issue is not fea
May 4, 2007 - 23:11 ET by dukeofsipesBlonde - the issue is not fear. It has to do with spiritual heritage of mormonism. Just because they use Jesus' name doesn't mean that they are Christians. They have tied themselves to something that is not truth. This not wise. On that basis, I called into questions MR's judgment...
dukeofsnipes
May 5, 2007 - 16:47 ET by misterbillEase up , man!
How is it that I am intoreran
May 4, 2007 - 22:53 ET by dukeofsipesHow is it that I am intorerant when I just said that you have the right to believe whatever you want. Just because you believe doesn't make true, although.
The book of Joseph Smith (its proper name) doesn't compare to the Bible because the Jesus you supposedly worship is a different one than Jesus of Nazereth the Son of God. C'mon you know that!
The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years by something like over 30 different authors as they were inspired by God.
I'm sure you're a nice guy, but you are wrong. And that is your right...
Please advise which part of t
May 4, 2007 - 22:08 ET by dahliatraversDukeofsipes. Please advise which part of the Constitution would permit the President to impose a religion on the country.
Please clarify whether you would have asked this question of a Democrat candidate who happened to be a Mormon.
Good question
May 4, 2007 - 22:14 ET by Mr. BishopTo be honest with you... I was wondering a little something about his claim to believing in freedom of religion. I was wondering wherein his statement of saying he believes in freedom of religion, suddenly, that belief goes away the second he discounts Romney from being eligible for the presidency by virtue of being a Mormon. That seems to somewhat contradict the First Amendment.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
I didn't say that MR was inel
May 4, 2007 - 23:15 ET by dukeofsipesI didn't say that MR was ineligible to be President. I'm saying that one should not vote for him because of his poor judgment in following Joseph Smith...
Who said that the President c
May 4, 2007 - 23:01 ET by dukeofsipesWho said that the President could impose a religion? The First Amendment is clear that He, nor anyone else in the Federal Government can.
My original comment on MR had to do with me not trusting his judgment. I said, "if he can't distinguish fiction, and a pernicious one at that, from truth, just how is it that he would make a good president???"
Whether or not they were a Smithite, would never be a issue with a Democrat candidate because I am already predisposed to not trusting them...
Dahlia--the real problem is---
May 4, 2007 - 23:31 ET by misterbillDahlia--the real problem is---Mitt would make us men have at least 4 wives. Now I am older and I hope to have 10 more years in front of me, but, Lord if some Mormon President makes me take three more wives, why I'll be underground in just a couple of weeks.
Kinda like when we had a Catholic Prez and he made us all take an oath of celibacy.
Former Child Star
May 4, 2007 - 16:03 ET by Cool ArrowIn his later years, former child star Dennis the Menace sold himself into male prostitution to fund his habit.
Chris Matthews tries to suppr
May 4, 2007 - 16:05 ET by mattmChris Matthews tries to suppress his erection after inexplicably mentioning Bill Clinton's name at the Republican presidential debate.
"Oh No, my young apprent
May 4, 2007 - 16:05 ET by Avatar"Oh No, my young apprentice, you will find that it is YOU who is mistaken...about a great many things."
or maybe (in the case of Chris matthews)
"Your hate has made you powerful."
Come on, just replace Matthews with Ian McDiarmand in his Emperor garb, and it flows beautifully.
The Avatar
Just
May 4, 2007 - 16:06 ET by Mr. BishopYou kidding? Just put the robe over Matthews's clothing, and it works perfectly as well.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
"...and now young Romney
May 4, 2007 - 18:11 ET by Avatar"...and now young Romney...you will die (like my ratings)."
The Avatar
"Can you believe these c
May 4, 2007 - 16:16 ET by Chris Norman"Can you believe these chumps showed up to debate on MSNBC, when my lib pals wouldn't go on FoxNews?"
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
I can think of no better capt
May 4, 2007 - 16:20 ET by jimpryor99I can think of no better caption than: USELESS
I'm an excellent driver.. d
May 4, 2007 - 16:21 ET by JerryI'm an excellent driver.. definitely an excellent driver. It's ten minutes to Wapner, let's get this over with... I hate Bush, America hates Bush, you hate Bush, you just won't admit it yet. Meeting adjourned.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
LOL, it took two reads but
May 4, 2007 - 16:32 ET by MightyMouthLOL, it took two reads but I finally got it!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
[this guy Matthews looks ju
May 4, 2007 - 17:04 ET by MilesD[this guy Matthews looks just like somebody I worked with in Iraq.]
GH? You there in Bgd reading this? I don't know if you look at this site or not
caption
May 4, 2007 - 17:40 ET by JJVNow who are these people again?
This off Drudge Report (tm)
May 4, 2007 - 17:48 ET by dabalThis off Drudge Report (tm):
FLASH: FOXNEWS O'REILLY TOPS MSNBC GOP DEBATE FOR NIGHT... O'REILLY
PULLS 2,314,000 VIEWERS... DEBATE SCORES 1,762,000... [DEM DEBATE WEEK
BEFORE HIT 2,261,000]... FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES AT 1,548,000... MORE
ACTUAL DEBATE COVERAGE: 8-9:30PM:
FNC 2,023,000
MSNBC 1,762,000
CNN 599,000
More people watched FOXNEWS TALKING about debate than the actual DEBATE!
Caption: "Fox scored a WHAT? Off OUR debate?!?!?!"
dabal...Laugh of the week!Tha
May 4, 2007 - 17:53 ET by bigtimerdabal...
Laugh of the week!
Thank you very much....I mean that too, I just am laughing so hard it is hard to post this.
Let's hear the spin on this....
That's easy, spin-wise! The s
May 4, 2007 - 19:45 ET by MobiusStripThat's easy, spin-wise! The sheep turning on Fox needed, as usual, their thoughts given to them instead of going to the source- the debate- and making decisions themselves! On how the Rebuplican candidates answer questions! We don't need to listen to the candidates, no, no. We'll have someone else tell us what they said! Much easier that way... and besides, the debate is really about the moderator, anyway, not the candidates planks. Just like over at Newsbusters! And those numbers- isn't it great to be part of such a huge flock! Bahhhh, bahhhh...
Interesting final comment y
May 4, 2007 - 20:04 ET by GregEInteresting final comment you make, considering....
DEM DEBATE WEEK BEFORE HIT 2,261,000
Seems the flock of sheep at which you directed your comment was outdone by the flock the previous week watching NBC. Did you misread the number before making your awe-inspiring comment?
Oh, and "just like at Newsbusters?" What website are you yourself on to have posted that comment? Please, do tell.
DEM DEBATE WEEK BEFORE HIT 2,
May 4, 2007 - 20:21 ET by MobiusStripDEM DEBATE WEEK BEFORE HIT 2,261,000- on FOX, unless Drudge can't explain his numbers.
My point exactly! Fox watchers go there for their "news"!
And why didn't Fox host the Rebublican debate? Thedy could've had Cheney as a moderator- he moderates everything over there, anyway.
Evidence?
May 4, 2007 - 20:31 ET by Mr. Bishop"Thedy [sic] could've had Cheney as a moderator- he moderates everything over there, anyway." Evidence of this please?
Fox hosting a debate with the Republicans would have been a lot nicer to watch. However, since MSNBC hosted the debates, there is little reason to even consider your comment as substantive. MSNBC is not friendly to the Republicans, on any level. They, however, are not afraid to go onto a given station to debate. Democrats are afraid to go on Fox News to debate.
If the Democrats are afraid of Fox News (and you seem to be as well), there is little reason to expect them to not be afraid of terrorists. As such, no matter what they say on the debates, we know they will capitulate to terrorists, and give them anything they want, in order to get them to leave them alone... guess that worked for France.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
If the Democrats are afraid o
May 4, 2007 - 21:04 ET by MobiusStripIf the Democrats are afraid of Fox News (and you seem to be as well), there is little reason to expect them to not be afraid of terrorists.
What? You really live in that world? Where is the logic is that statement?
A news station, and non-news stations like Fishwrap, make money by broadcasting debates- provided people are will to watch them. A political caucus decides where to put their money. Fishwrap insulted Democratic candidates and didn't get their money because of it. THEIR mistake. The Repubs went to MSNBC- gave them the ratings. THEIR mistake? Probably- but also likely calculated because of the vast perception among the viewing public that Fox is not a venue for a debate. The Rebubs got to make that decision.
Democratic Strategy Session: We go on Fox, the people watching are by-and-large Republicans; they are hostile to our views; we don't reach the public on our side of the aisle. Don't go there.
Republican Strategy Session: We go on Fox, the people watching are by-and-large Republicans; they are going to vote for us anyway; we don't reach the independents which we desperately need. Don't go there.
Fox doesn't get to choose the political calculations of either party. And the fact is this: BOTH PARTIES THOUGHT FOX WAS THE WORST VENUE FOR A DEBATE!
So I guess that the Republicans are equally afraid of Fishwrap, according to your analysis. And must also be equally afraid of Terrorists.
Now how you get to being afraid of terrorists-or not- based on party status from there, is beyond me. Maybe too many talking points jabbing the inside of your head at once.
Get real.
Denial...
May 4, 2007 - 21:25 ET by Mr. BishopWhere is the logic in that statement? Let me see here... the Democrats deny an invitation to go onto Fox News to debate. What reasoning would they have for that? If they are afraid of a news organization, they will be more afraid of terrorists. It seems pretty straight forward to anyone with rational thought. However, I forgot, we were talking about you...
By the way -- your side has constantly said that Limbaugh was only listened to by conservatives. Yet, in 2003, Tom Daschle lamented at the fact that it was not only conservatives that listened, it was also moderates and liberals that listened. You're making the same mistake here -- you assume that no moderates, or any liberals watch Fox News. You have no evidence of this, you make that assumption. However, I suggest to you, that only the exceedingly liberal of your side -- the far left, don't watch Fox News.
Now -- I don't use talking points -- I have no use for them. You, on the other hand, in this last post alone, are a walking talking point festival of Democrats. "Fox News is only watched by and large by Republicans," as well as the little pet names you have decided to give Fox News. Even your attempted "defense" of the Democrats in choosing to run away from Fox News is pathetic and laughable. Face it -- your party is afraid of a news organization. The Republicans are use to news organizations being hostile toward them -- they've dealt with it for decades. Your party doesn't know how to deal with a news organization that asks them real questions, and expects real answers.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Let me see here... the Democr
May 4, 2007 - 22:21 ET by MobiusStripLet me see here... the Democrats deny an invitation to go onto Fox News to debate. What reasoning would they have for that? If they are afraid of a news organization, they will be more afraid of terrorists.
Unbelievable. You use a non-sequiter as an argument (fear of "news organizations equated with fear of terrorists), follow that with the fallacious ad hominem "It seems pretty straight forward to anyone with rational thought", totally avoid answering my points and instead point to a remark made in an entirely different political context. I could spell out "cat" for you and you would reply That's not a dog! See, I'm right! And if you don't get the Fishwrap allusion then you haven't done your history.
Let me try for you one more time: The Democrats had nothing to gain by going on Fox. The Republicans had nothing to gain by going on Fox. Clear?
Ad hominem?
May 4, 2007 - 22:33 ET by Mr. BishopWow... you throw around words, when you don't know their meaning, obviously. Ad hominem means the argument made, is a personal attack, and nothing more. This is not what I did. I made an argumentative statement, that simply said, anyone with rational thought. Now -- if you are suggesting that it applied to you, I can't stop you there, but there was no ad hominem attacking involved. The problem with you liberals, is you have tried to bastardize the meaning of ad hominem to mean any attack, no matter what the instance, no matter what the substance. You would be wrong on that, and has been shown many times. You want to ignore it, that's not my problem. However, it does not mean that you are right because you choose to ignore it.
As for "avoiding answering your points", another problem I have noticed with liberals -- you have trouble reading (again, not ad hominem, since the facts of the statement back it up). I addressed every alleged point you made.
Your "attempt" at rationalizing the fears of the Democrats is BS. Your "attempt" at rationalizing the actions of the Republicans is likewise BS. You can't show me anywhere, where those that watch Fox News are only (or mostly, for that matter) Republicans, thus denying Democrats an avenue of people to "reach". What you can show me, is that Fox News is the most watched single news channel. It also seems to me, that Democrats have been whining about Bush needing to "reach out" to Democrats. Now... taking that into consideration, is it somewhat hypocritical to say that about Republicans, yet Democrats don't have to try and "reach out" to Republicans?
Judging by your previous answers, and your current position on this, that would most likely be your stance.
Enjoy your slice of the dreamingberry pie... feel free to join us on planet earth sometime for some real discussions.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
"It seems pretty straigh
May 4, 2007 - 22:46 ET by MobiusStrip"It seems pretty straight forward to anyone with rational thought" -your words. Argumentum ad hominem, pure and simple. Translating as: anyone who doesn't understand this point I MAKE is not rational. A purely personal attack- an ad hominem. Get your own facts straight about logic and don't lecture me about things you just googled. It seems pretty obvious to me that anyone who gets their news from Fox is not well informed. And- bonus ad hominem- I'm out of here: anyone who tries to argue with fools must be one himself.
Ad Hominem
May 4, 2007 - 22:54 ET by BlondeLearned a new term, eh, Mobi?
Are you certain you are using it correctly?
Hmmmm.....not so sure.
BOTH PARTIES THOUGHT FOX WA
May 4, 2007 - 21:30 ET by GregE"....BOTH PARTIES THOUGHT FOX WAS THE WORST VENUE FOR A DEBATE!...."..??
Did CBS, ABC, CNN, BBC, PBS, etc, host either debate? Why not, where they also in the worst venue category?
You deflect the argument to i
May 4, 2007 - 22:30 ET by MobiusStripYou deflect the argument to ignore my point about party strategy. Read it again.
Dem debate was on MSNBC.Fox
May 4, 2007 - 21:26 ET by GregEDem debate was on MSNBC.
Fox watchers go to MSNBC for their news? The Dem debate wasn't a news report, it was a debate.
I believe you have spun it around so much there's no going back to the original to explain what you have missed.
Both parties went to a more m
May 4, 2007 - 22:36 ET by MobiusStripBoth parties went to a more mainstream and legitimate news outlet to host their debates. Strategically. Fox doesn't hold water as a neutral podium. Both parties know this. Do you really think Fox DIDN'T offer to host the Republican debates? They only asked the Democrats? If so, why?
Wow, Moby,Have you been pract
May 4, 2007 - 22:49 ET by BlondeWow, Moby,
Have you been practicing your counseling skills?
If so, you forgot the integral step of fostering agreement.
Sorry.
Try again.
You must remember....before posing the final question....you must get agreement from the other party. Which you clearly didn't. (Agreeing with yourself doesn't count....were you awake for that part of the lesson?)
Ooops.
I agree with your premise,
May 5, 2007 - 08:46 ET by GregEI agree with your premise, that that Fox offered to host each party debate, not just Democrats. I can't prove it, but I'm sure that's the case, so we agree.
I would also expect that CNN, CBS, ABC (all of which I assume fall under the "mainstream" description you offered) offered to host both as well. None of those got either one. NBC got both.
GregE...Howdy...Like I said i
May 4, 2007 - 22:41 ET by bigtimerGregE...
Howdy...
Like I said in my post above...
'Let's see the spin on this'...
....that Mob conveniently followed and swallowed like the good little leftist that he is.....
Hook, Line and sinker!
Gotta' love it!
Btw Mob...Viewing audience is your answer, no matter what, ratings beget advertisers, therefore people make money....Capitalism.
You mentioned the word &quo
May 5, 2007 - 08:48 ET by GregEYou mentioned the word "capitalism" to a liberal as if it would be understood.
Dear Load, Give me the wi
May 4, 2007 - 17:50 ET by mytwocentsDear Load,
Give me the wisdom and courage to hurl nothing but left-wing hardballs at this bunch of yahoos. Watch over them, Lord and let them hem and haw and stammer like the bunch of fools they are - and please keep my hair in place during the debate. Amen.
Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen.
May 4, 2007 - 18:31 ET by c5thenWe are here tonight to find out which of these Presidentail hopefuls, running for the Republican nomination will admit to finally having stopped beating thier wives. Now, before we start and allow our hand picked pool of extreme democrats to come up and kick each one in the gonads (ooooo it makes me cringe just to think about it) I want to thank MSNBC for having us and allowing this witch hunt to take place.
Welcome to the Reagan Libra
May 4, 2007 - 18:49 ET by terrigWelcome to the Reagan Library, I'm about to embarass my parents with my rude behavior, stupid questions & the fact that I'm an all around Jack A$$.
Republicans on MSNBC...
May 4, 2007 - 19:04 ET by dwillmoreI better make them look bad or I will lose viewers.
....thinking to himself...&
May 4, 2007 - 19:57 ET by GregE....thinking to himself...
"This is great. I'm about to stand here with the all-powerful microphone ask questions of these guys as if I have no bias against every one of them."