Dee, a technical tip, hover your mouse over links, and the URL should appear in the lower left corner of your browser. You can usually make a decision about clicking the link from that. Hope that helps hun. :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

It's door number two, Mrbill.   WhichWing and TP are both agents provocateur.  Paying serious attention to them only gives them a larger soapbox for their anti-American rants.

You’re still sore about that NAU thread, huh? You made a dubious point saying the majority of Americans don’t approve the war (which may or may not be entirely true depending on the poll and polling methods). And I responded by pointing out the cause-effect relationship of the MSM’s doom and gloom war coverage negatively affecting public support for the war. Your point was a valid point but, my point was a valid counter-point to your point. It’s called debate. I think where you went ‘wrong’ is by taking this stuff too personally and taking yourself way too seriously.

We seem to be at an impass: you “firmly believe that there is more to 9/11 than we are being told by our gov’t.” and most of us at NB firmly believe the government had nothing to do with orchestrating or allowing the 9/11 attacks. The links you reference to support your “feelings” totally avoid the monumental logistical challenges that would have to be overcome to set up the demolitions. I have provided support for my claims with a website for a demolition company where it stated that demolition teams must have access to the steel/concrete structures. “Truthers” also point to the temperature of burning jet fuel without taking into account that the temperature cited is what it burns at by itself without any “special” circumstances. Now take burning jet fuel and put it into the environment of a high-rise office building with all things common to offices, then take into account for the structure’s design. A basic understanding of physics tells us that fires require oxygen to burn, and oxygen is drawn or sucked into a fire as it burns…the structure of the building no doubt created powerful venturis of cool, condensed air that increased the pressure of the air/oxygen feeding the flames…as a result the temperature increases dramatically, temperatures definitely high enough to cause steel structures to fail, and quite possibly high enough to melt steel. Go back in history and you see this effect put to use when blacksmiths/smelters used bellows to heat/melt metals with wood and coal. Your sited “evidence” is not grounded in the laws of physics…it is a bunch of circumstantial conjecture.

Also the mere impact of a 767 at speeds of over 400 mph undoubtedly compromised the entire structure, thus weakening the buildings possibly enough to warrant condemning the structure. Then the collapse of the towers that threw debris into the surrounding areas and buildings (especially WTC7) and the localized “earthquake” from the tumult served to weaken the structure of WTC7 as well as other buildings. The “truthers” are lacking any evidence that is supported by physics (except that using thermite produces iron rich spheres…but that’s not the only thing that produces them).

We present substantial arguments to your claims, but you seem to dismiss them without honestly addressing them. To you, we do the same to you…I can tell you I have read both sides and the conspiracy stuff doesn’t add up…it makes a great plot-line for an action/suspense/spy book or movie, but it doesn’t pass the logistical or physics tests in the real world.

As to the civility of us at NB, I must say you are treated much better here than anyone posting an opposing view on sites like DailyKos, Huffington Post, Wonkette, etc. We go on the offensive because you seem to latch onto everything that will condemn the current administration…to us that is more dangerous than the terrorists because internal intrigue and subversion are far more destructive than external threats. Can you blame us when we see Pelosi holding talks with our enemies without executive authorization or when Reid proclaims the war is lost? Both of these are recent examples of the Left’s deliberate attempts at destroying the Bush Administration which emboldens our enemies and increases the threat to U.S. interests at home and abroad. To us it is treasonous and seditious behavior, to the Left it is somehow construed as “patriotic.” It is definitely not patriotism:

patriotism – devoted love, support, and defense of one’s country; national loyalty.

What the Left is doing is the complete opposite of patriotism. Which is sedition and treason.

Are we wrong to think so? All evidence points to a large and vocal portion of the left that seeks to betray the United States of America.

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17

"While you sit idlely, hundreds and thousands of people every day are waking up."

"...as witnessed by the daily protests in the streets by hundreds and thousands of the U.S. citizenry calling to impeach the conspirators."

No? Can't say that? Why not? Cause it taint happin!!!!!!!!!!!!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

TP....

You still refuse to answer my question so now I have no choice but to think you are full of hot air. Nothing you say from this point on can be taken seriously by anyone because you will NOT tell the truth.

Why won't you answer my question? Are you scared?

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

TP, are you really that naive/ignorant/stupid/zombified that you really think the rest of the media  isn't biased towards the left?

Sure FoxNews tilts right, but it's less than the tilt to the left by the rest of the cable or broadcast media.   Personally, though, I don't watch any of the cable or broadcast channels for news.   Every last one of them is geared to tabloidism and a grade school mentality. 

So... now my "gods" live in Washington? Sorry, no -- my God lives elsewhere. I do not worship any politician.

I'm brainwashed? Well, that is a good thing for my mother to hear. She thinks my mind is constantly in the gutter. I should let her know that a liberal nutcase, conspiracy theory slinging, factless chucklehead -- thinks my brain has been washed, thus clean. She will enjoy it, I am sure.

Third, apparently, you really didn't like me showing you as a lying fool, did you? I linked every single search I did, even explaining the exact dynamics of the search, after you claimed they had something -- and you are pissed? To be honest, I would be too -- if someone could do that to me.

Fourth, you try and make the argument that an act of war committed by the Japanese, cannot be compared to an act of war committed by Al Qaeda? They are exactly the same -- acts of war, which no indictment was produced for the leader of the group of people responsible. No indictment was produced because acts of war, are not "prosecuted", they are fought against by the military. Is ignoring this the only way you think you can possibly break the notion of a conspiracy theory proven false to you? Are you that psychotic, that you think that the government is out to get you, and any evidence to the contrary -- must be manufactured lies? There's a word for that, you know: paranoia. Thank you for showing us what you truly are: a paranoid schizophrenic. Gee -- you asked me to produce an example concerning an act of war in which we did not write up an indictment for... I produce, and you fly off the deep end. No surprise there.

Fifth: Funny -- I never claimed to "speak for the FBI" on anything. You asked a stupid question, I gave you a factual answer. Don't like it? Don't ask dumbass questions.

Sixth: Settle this quickly? Call this number, if I have the cajones? LOL -- you must be kidding! You want me, to give into your paranoid schizophrenic behaviors? No, I don't think I will do anything of the sort. You have your answer on why bin Laden was not indicted due to 9-11 -- it was an act of war, not a crime. They are different things.

It's really not that amazing, to be honest, that you continue on this path of self-destruction. Most crazy liberals (as you have demonstrated yourself to be), feel the idea of "close-mindedness" exists when someone disagrees with your stance on a given subject. How interesting, and lonely, you must feel -- sitting at home, in your perpetual state of paranoia. Makes me wonder if you even order a pizza from a delivery place. Might be careful if you do -- could be an undercover government agent, out to monitor what your eating habits are.

Seventh: I "defend the official conspiracy theory"? -- I defend the facts, and the truth of what happened on 9-11. You, on the other hand, develop this insane conspiracy theory that the government killed 3000+ of its own citizens, in an effort to accomplish... what? Just because they felt like it? Get a life, and stop sucking the Cheese Whiz from the bottle -- the Nitrous Oxide is eating the last 3 brain cells away.

Eighth: I ignore the fact that bin Laden is the head of Al Qaeda? Can you show me where I said that anywhere? Can you show me where I ever once said that he was not the leader of Al Qaeda? Can you show me where I ever once said that the government did not blame Al Qaeda for the attacks on 9-11? This is impossible because I never once said anything of the like. You, like a lot of insane liberals out there, equate Al Qaeda, as being interchangeable with Osama bin Laden. They are not interchangeable, anymore then Bush or Clinton are synonymous with the United States. Bin Laden's words were, "I did not plan..." Note the word choice: I did not plan. He did not say, ever, "I am not responsible". How it must suck for you to be able to read that, and know -- deep down -- that you are ridiculously wrong on this, but unable to admit it. Khalid Sheik Mohammed's name was not mentioned on 9-11 because no one knew who, exactly, planned the attacks on 9-11. Al Qaeda was mentioned in regard to 9-11 because of their numerous attacks on the US in the past, as well as the communications monitored just prior to 9-11, and the increased communication traffic of Al Qaeda members being monitored.

So... don't call me a chickensh** because I made you look like the fraud you are. Just get over it, accept it, and perhaps you might one day become a productive member of society, instead of a paranoid schizophrenic living in the dark corners of your basement for fear of the "government out to get you". While I doubt you ever will because you actually believe the BS you're slinging around, it doesn't hurt to suggest to you, that you actually seek help for your delusional behavior. I doubt you'll take it though, since you probably think the psychiatrists would be out to get you also (maybe perform experiments and blame it on aliens), at the behest of the government! Oh, and by the way -- the tapes are not found in the middle of shacks, in the middle of nowhere: they are delivered to Al-Jazeera through couriers.

"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..