Post from Unsane January 2007 (bravo, my friend)
Questions concerning the WTC conspiracy, that is much whined about and smacked around, but NEVER EVER answered for some strange reason:
1) How much explosive material was used to bring down the towers?
2) How was it placed in the building?
3) How much was used in what locations?
4) How long did this process take?
5) How many people were involved in that effort?
6) Where were they procured from? (That big an order for explosives had to attract attention and could not escape notice...)
7) Where were they stored before being staged (set up for application)?
8) Where did the staging take place?
9) How were those staged explosives transported to the towers and when?
10) What steps were taken to ensure no one noticed what was going on?
11) How were these explosives transported to the storage location?
12) How many transportation assets were used to accomplish this?
13) What modes of transport were used in all cases transport was needed?
14) Who handled these transportation arrangements?
15) You have to get clearances to transport these explosives no matter what mode is being used. Who secured them and with whom?
16) How long did it take to execute the planning for this operation?
17) When was the green light given for the go-ahead?
18) How long did it take to procure, store, stage, and deploy the explosives?
19) What steps were taken to ensure secrecy?
20) How on earth could you hide ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY from innocent onlookers, observers and passers-by at all stages of the conspiracy?
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April 16, 2007 - 14:56 ET by AvatarHere, More Kool-Aide anti-dote for the Lefties:
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Well, by golly, I'm going t
April 19, 2007 - 01:10 ET by WhichWingWell, by golly, I'm going to dig all the change I can out of my couch and fire up the investigation into these questions. The 9/11 Commission had $12 million or so and didn't answer to how the attack was able to be carried out, so wish me luck.
Avatar, you really gotta get over the Popular Mechanics report. It had an agenda from the start, that's no way to conduct an investigation.
How about this for a question. What did the government or military do to stop the attacks, before or during? That one question will trump all 20 of the questions posted above.
You make the mistaken assumpt
April 19, 2007 - 10:34 ET by UnsaneYou make the mistaken assumption that anyone in the government or the military knew what was going to happen.
Incidentally, I believe some local ANG units scrambled some fighters when the plane's transponders were turned off - because that was seen as an indication that the planes crashed. They were searching for the aircraft as the events unfolded.
Also, when American airspace was closed, military units were busy escorting commercial aircraft away from the United States and keeping smaller planes on the ground. Indeed, a KAL 747 was caught accidentally broadcasting a "hijack" code from one of its transponders, and that scared the hell of quite a few air traffic controllers in Anchorage. Some fighters from Elmendorf were sent to intercept the plane, and it was escorted to Whitehorse, where it remained until U.S. airspace was reopened.
But then, your intense hatred of your own government is quite clear with every post you make and have ever made. You desperately want to believe the absolute worst about them, because in your view, it is much easier than accepting the reality that 19 men did this, and much like the VT shootings this past Monday, we cannot know when the ticking time bomb goes off.
Yet again, you have failed miserably to trump the questions. Just try to answer them with a few grains of intellectual honesty. That is MUCH easier to accomplish.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
OK, if you demand specula
April 19, 2007 - 16:35 ET by WhichWingOK, if you demand speculation, I will give it to you. But I must ask that you provide some resourses to substantiate the claims made in your last reply. The only fighters I've heard about being scrambled were from Langley and they headed east over the Atlantic.
Speculation, as requested:
What's your IP address Whic
April 19, 2007 - 16:41 ET by MightyMouthWhat's your IP address WhichWing? You seem to know just a little too much about this conspiracy. hmmmmm
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Good one Mightymouth - that i
April 19, 2007 - 16:47 ET by Dee BunkGood one Mightymouth - that is how everyone should start replying to these nut jobs. I'm so sick of their conspiracy theories.
Hi Dee,I just wished they wou
April 19, 2007 - 16:52 ET by bigtimerHi Dee,
I just wished they woul go somewhere else to play.
WW and TP with their theories get so danged old.
(Btw, as an aside...I see Syggie never answered from yesterday about this time now did he, still isn't today.)
Thanks Dee, now if I can ju
April 19, 2007 - 16:55 ET by MightyMouthThanks Dee, now if I can just get him to click on this site..... I won't have to ask for his IP address, I will have it :-P
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hi BT and MightyMouth - I'm t
April 19, 2007 - 17:02 ET by Dee BunkHi BT and MightyMouth - I'm too scared to click on your link MM - Is it your own web site?
Dee..Go ahead.....It's safe!L
April 19, 2007 - 17:05 ET by bigtimerDee..Go ahead.....It's safe!
LMAO!
LOL, I was wondering how ma
April 19, 2007 - 17:06 ET by MightyMouthLOL, I was wondering how many that would scare!
Muuhahahahahah!
Seriously, only true red blooded americans should click the link! ROFL!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
okay I trusted you guys - pre
April 19, 2007 - 17:15 ET by Dee Bunkokay I trusted you guys - pretty funny - the conspiracy guys should definitely stay away it will give them nightmares tonight.
Dee, a technical tip, hover
April 19, 2007 - 20:41 ET by MightyMouthDee, a technical tip, hover your mouse over links, and the URL should appear in the lower left corner of your browser. You can usually make a decision about clicking the link from that. Hope that helps hun. :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Thanks Mighty Mouth! Techni
April 24, 2007 - 09:17 ET by Dee BunkThanks Mighty Mouth! Technical tips are always appreciated, I never knew that. I didn't see your post until now. I'm glad I caught it.
Mission Impossible
April 19, 2007 - 17:06 ET by gfrrmanThe crew from the original 'Mission Impossible" tv show set this all up in a matter of one hour to fit into the tv time frame and Oliver Stone produced it. The film is in a secret location behind a grassy knoll somewhere in the Land of Oz over some rainbow.....and Whichwing is rational!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Which Wing,Lets assume all of
April 19, 2007 - 21:35 ET by Chicago RepublicanWhich Wing,
Lets assume all of your answers are legit ones (they're not, but lets assume).
If there was one iota, ONE IOTA, of credibility to ANY of your assumptions, then why hasn't the Bush Hating, hostile Mainstream Media devoted considerable amounts of air/print time chasing this story?
This is one of the rare benefits of being a Republican in this country. If there is the faintest whiff of credibility to any story that will take down a Republican in office, the Useful Idiots will be all over it.
They're not with this theory. They realize that you have to an absolute booger eating kook to believe this nonsense.
ALSO - how many people - really - would it take to pull of such a conspiracy, and keep quiet about it for more than five years? No attacks of conscience what so ever, running to the Useful Idiots to tell all?
Try Harder, WWing.
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Sources
April 20, 2007 - 11:41 ET by UnsaneI have to provide sources to substantiate MY claims, but when I ask the same of you, you throw a fit?
I don't think so. Reciprocity rules here. I got the sources. But since you never feel compelled to share yours when asked...
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Yeah, ok, you just make som
April 22, 2007 - 18:05 ET by WhichWingYeah, ok, you just make something up and claim its true. You ask for my sources and I provide them. Then you come back and demand every word spoken on that particular day. I only asked for a source from you. I'll read the source myself, you just have to point me to it. I think your half-truths are becoming apparent to everybody on this forum. Your finger-pointing and name-calling make you look childish. Your declarations of unpatriotic thinking against your fellow countrymen show that you despise the free exchange of ideas. You sir, are a pathetic fear monger. How's that for some reciprocity? Your vision of world dominance hidden behind claims of "national interests" is what has led to the downfall of many great nations throughout history, but I guess you already knew that.
My tagline applies wholeheart
April 22, 2007 - 23:10 ET by UnsaneMy tagline applies wholeheartedly to you.
My "half-truths" are more than backed up by experiences I have had in my time on this earth you aren't remotely privy to. Not to mention, since I have clearly lived longer than you, I have experienced far more than you have, and have read, seen, and learned more than you can imagine. I have probably forgotten more than the sum total of your knowledge, and that is enraging you.
You have an extreme problem with the free exchange of ideas. The free exchange of ideas means taking criticisms of your ideas like a man, which is something not evident from you on here. If anyone, much less me, criticizes your points of view, instead of coming back with a sound, logical follow up, you scream, cry, and howl like a spanked 3-year-old aboput how mean and unfair I am. Seems to me you have lived a sheltered intellectual existence where your ideas were not once challenged, and now that they ARE getting challenged, you don't know what to do. It confounds you to see that not everyone lives in your universe and feels the ways that you do.
Why are you so troubled by my calling out your patriotism? YOU are the one who has compared the United States to Nazi Germany and the expansionist Soviet Union, not I. YOU are the one who continually shows deep concern for America's enemies to a frightening extent, not I. You are the one who cannot accept that 19 of America's enemies flew three 767s into our buildings, killing thousands - in fact, you WANT to believe with all of your heart that your own government was complicit in the act. What the hell can you or anyone who is sane expect me to conclude?
I would LOVE to know how I am a fear monger. (I prefer "reality monger". I accept that there are enemies of this country, and that there always will be, and that in many cases, talking to them and being very very nice isn't going to be enough. It may depress the hell out of you to know that, but that's a fact you are simply going to have to get used to.)
My vision of world dominance, my history idiot, was realized long ago. In 1945, the United States was the world's sole intact economy with millions of men under arms. We could have easily completely conquered everything we saw then. Yes, I am even counting the Red Army. But, what did the United States wisely do? We turned around and let other nations manage their own affairs, and even rebuilt former enemies like Germany and Japan. The United States is the most powerful nation on earth, and as much as it fills you with incalculable rage, it IS the force between tyranny and liberty. The Wall fell, not because we politely asked, but because the Soviets saw that we weren't going to budge, and that we were serious about sticking by our allies in Europe and elsewhere. The North Koreans stay where they are because they know that any strolling south of the DMZ will meet with resistance - not because we talk to them. The Iranians are scared of us, and they should be. Why should the United States entreat with a nation that pisses on the most basic of diplomatic protocols? (One of countless questions I ask that you refuse to answer.)
What you call world dominance, I call the defense of liberty, for as JFK said, "When we protect the freedom of Berlin, we protect the freedom o f New York and London as well". Freedom, here and abroad, is NOT free, as you seem to believe. It comes at a price, and at minimum that means eternal vigilance.
And of course, since you are a complete idiot when it comes to history, you cannot understand that many nations have fallen for many different reasons. One of them is that the citizenry no longer believed in the nation anymore - no longer had the asabiyyah, as Ibn Khaldun calls it in the Muqdimmah. You do not believe in your own nation enough to even consider fighting for it - indeed, you consider its military the greatest threat to its existence because it exists. You lack ANY asabiyyah in anything related to the nation - unless, I suppose, the nation can personally spoon-feed and otherwise pamper you on a daily basis.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
I have not read your whole
April 24, 2007 - 07:51 ET by WhichWingI have not read your whole post, nor will I. You are the worst hypocrite I might have encountered in my existence on this earth, which you have decided is a shorter amount of time than you. I talk about ideas, and you bash character. Instead of discussing the subject at hand, you resort to attacking the other person. You misconstrue things I say and then go around repeating it everywhere you can. (For the umpteenth time, I did not compare the United States to Nazi Germany. I asked Unsane how long it would take for people to make that comparison if our foreign policy was based on his theories.) You don't know what discussion means. You probably feel proud everytime you post, don't you? "Look honey, I made a fool of this guy by calling him unpatriotic, and declaring that he desired a whiny, toothless nation. Then I told him he wants to coddle terrorists and be pampered by his nation. Oh yea, and I keep telling him that he hates the military, I think he might be starting to believe me. Answer his questions, or respond to his point? No honey, never even considered doing that. Besides, did I mention that he's an adolescent fool?" Get over yourself, I know I have.
which
April 24, 2007 - 08:33 ET by misterbillI happened to read your argumrnt this morning. Apparently you feel put upon by Unsane. In one sense, I have no dog in this fight. That sense is the fact that after your first few days on this site I concluded that you are one of two things. The first is a plant for conspiracy theorists. This would make you, in my opinion less than sane. The second is slightly different. You are an agent provocateur and you are here to roil the waters.
In either case, you are being challenged by many. You may write that off to the fact that we are a bunch of disturbed conservatives. Rather, I suggest to you that your principal debater has, indeed , so much more experience and knowledge than you have that there is no contest. However, as a few other bloggers here, (and I am pleased there are only a few), you fail to recognize facts and figures when presented to you. Do yourself a favor and sit back for a while and analyze a possible problem. That problem is that you are the disturbed one. There are many things happening to our country and they are not good. I openly and honestly admit I lean to the right. While in the broad sense , I do not trust my governmemt to make good decisions, I certainly do not believe they willfully and horribly kill American citizens. I have not been reading your posts. As soon as I see your name , I dismiss you as a crazy and go on to more intelligent, less paranoid issues.
right on Mr. Bill! I do th
April 24, 2007 - 08:47 ET by Dee Bunkright on Mr. Bill! I do the same with libertyordeath and a few others. I don't know why anyone bothers responding to them.
WhichWing and TP are agents provocateur
April 24, 2007 - 09:42 ET by RJIt's door number two, Mrbill. WhichWing and TP are both agents provocateur. Paying serious attention to them only gives them a larger soapbox for their anti-American rants.
Well, I can tell you that t
April 25, 2007 - 06:50 ET by WhichWingWell, I can tell you that the I am not a plant for conspiracy theorists. I spent most of my time on the main page discussing current news items that were posted. One day I clicked on the forums and saw the post about the WTC7 video. The first thing I noticed was how many people gathered to bash the original poster without ever addressing the subject of the post, and I jumped in to point that out. That put me on the bad side of the majority of you I'm sure. My main motivation is not 9/11 and the theories surrounding it. I know my thoughts on 9/11 bother many of you, but my life in no way revolves around it. I firmly believe that there is more to 9/11 than we are being told by our gov't. Whether it be the "made it happen" theory, or the "let it happen" theory, both of which are much more convincing to me than the official explanation.
I said somewhere, not sure if it was in the forums or the main page, my main reason for coming to NewsBusters is for the difference of opinion. I could go to sites that agree with everything I say, but what would I gain from that? While I disagree with alot of stances put forth I here, I will be the first to admit that I have learned alot. More than I would of by joining in with other liberals in name calling. I don't write anyone off as a disturbed conservative. I have done my best to refrain from name calling based solely on a difference of opinion. I just wish that same courtesy was extended to me. I have become fed up with Unsane because he constantly, and intentionally, miscontrues what I say and then tries to use it against me. Repeating over and over again that I hate my country is ridiculous. (Someone must agree with that, right?) Disagreeing with your government does not make you a traitor. He stifles debate and turns into a pissing constest.
You say that Unsane has more experience and knowledge than I, and I wonder what leads you to that conclusion. Is it because he says so? Is it because he cites events from history while dismissing my own examples? I know I've raised valid points on numerous occasions only to be attacked. You say I'm the disturbed one, and again that leaves me to wonder why you think that. Do you believe that I'm crazy because I disagree with you?
You should all come to the realization that we are all citizens of this great country. Yes, I think its a great country. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be able to put forth my opinions in this manner. (Or perhaps you wouldn't be able to put forth your opinions.) Disagreeing with the war in Iraq does not mean that I hate the military and want to dismantle it, contrary to what Unsane would have you believe.
Why wouldn't you want someone here to disagree with you? Some of these threads have gone over 150 posts long. If we all agreed, they would probably be about 4 posts long. What do we learn from that?
Now, after you are all done attacking my character, go back and read some of these threads. Watch how fast they turn to finger pointing and name calling. And look who isn't doing those things. Go look at this thread, and watch how fast it turned into blaming things on the left and the MSM. The post is about the NAU. Mean Gean Dr. Love said "The majority of Americans will not accept a NAU. You're worried about nothing." I replied with this: "In fairness, the majority of Americans don't approve of the Iraq war, but that doesn't seem to matter." In context, that is a valid point, wouldn't you say? Check out the thread for yourself and see what follows. Just a few posts later I had someone telling me that I should quit breathing. I find it amazing that I'm the one being called "less than sane." If you really are interested in being neutral, and offering me advice, see how that thread progressed and tell me where I went wrong.
You’re still sore about tha
April 25, 2007 - 12:39 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveYou’re still sore about that NAU thread, huh? You made a dubious point saying the majority of Americans don’t approve the war (which may or may not be entirely true depending on the poll and polling methods). And I responded by pointing out the cause-effect relationship of the MSM’s doom and gloom war coverage negatively affecting public support for the war. Your point was a valid point but, my point was a valid counter-point to your point. It’s called debate. I think where you went ‘wrong’ is by taking this stuff too personally and taking yourself way too seriously.
We seem to be at an impass: you “firmly believe that there is more to 9/11 than we are being told by our gov’t.” and most of us at NB firmly believe the government had nothing to do with orchestrating or allowing the 9/11 attacks. The links you reference to support your “feelings” totally avoid the monumental logistical challenges that would have to be overcome to set up the demolitions. I have provided support for my claims with a website for a demolition company where it stated that demolition teams must have access to the steel/concrete structures. “Truthers” also point to the temperature of burning jet fuel without taking into account that the temperature cited is what it burns at by itself without any “special” circumstances. Now take burning jet fuel and put it into the environment of a high-rise office building with all things common to offices, then take into account for the structure’s design. A basic understanding of physics tells us that fires require oxygen to burn, and oxygen is drawn or sucked into a fire as it burns…the structure of the building no doubt created powerful venturis of cool, condensed air that increased the pressure of the air/oxygen feeding the flames…as a result the temperature increases dramatically, temperatures definitely high enough to cause steel structures to fail, and quite possibly high enough to melt steel. Go back in history and you see this effect put to use when blacksmiths/smelters used bellows to heat/melt metals with wood and coal. Your sited “evidence” is not grounded in the laws of physics…it is a bunch of circumstantial conjecture.
Also the mere impact of a 767 at speeds of over 400 mph undoubtedly compromised the entire structure, thus weakening the buildings possibly enough to warrant condemning the structure. Then the collapse of the towers that threw debris into the surrounding areas and buildings (especially WTC7) and the localized “earthquake” from the tumult served to weaken the structure of WTC7 as well as other buildings. The “truthers” are lacking any evidence that is supported by physics (except that using thermite produces iron rich spheres…but that’s not the only thing that produces them).
We present substantial arguments to your claims, but you seem to dismiss them without honestly addressing them. To you, we do the same to you…I can tell you I have read both sides and the conspiracy stuff doesn’t add up…it makes a great plot-line for an action/suspense/spy book or movie, but it doesn’t pass the logistical or physics tests in the real world.
As to the civility of us at NB, I must say you are treated much better here than anyone posting an opposing view on sites like DailyKos, Huffington Post, Wonkette, etc. We go on the offensive because you seem to latch onto everything that will condemn the current administration…to us that is more dangerous than the terrorists because internal intrigue and subversion are far more destructive than external threats. Can you blame us when we see Pelosi holding talks with our enemies without executive authorization or when Reid proclaims the war is lost? Both of these are recent examples of the Left’s deliberate attempts at destroying the Bush Administration which emboldens our enemies and increases the threat to U.S. interests at home and abroad. To us it is treasonous and seditious behavior, to the Left it is somehow construed as “patriotic.” It is definitely not patriotism:
patriotism – devoted love, support, and defense of one’s country; national loyalty.
What the Left is doing is the complete opposite of patriotism. Which is sedition and treason.
Are we wrong to think so? All evidence points to a large and vocal portion of the left that seeks to betray the United States of America.
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17
"You made a dubious po
April 25, 2007 - 14:14 ET by ThoughtPolice"You made a dubious point saying the majority of Americans don’t approve
the war (which may or may not be entirely true depending on the poll
and polling methods)"
Yes, this is why Dems took both house and senate and W's approval is something like 30%. Very astute observation you have there.
"The links you reference to support your “feelings” totally avoid the
monumental logistical challenges that would have to be overcome to set
up the demolitions."
I don't think "monumental" or "challenge" mean impossible? So if the logistics were monumental or challenging, then it is still possible, right? Why would anyone go into the method of how it was done before knowing what happened? Thats like starting backwards at a crime scene.
"“Truthers” also point to the temperature of burning jet fuel without
taking into account that the temperature cited is what it burns at by
itself without any “special” circumstances."
How hard is it to understand data? There is data from NIST that says the steel was heated between 300-500 degress Fahrenheit and no higher. This is WAY below the needed 1,100 degrees F before it loses around 50% of its strength and don't even get started on the 2,500 degress required to melt it.
"temperatures definitely high enough to cause steel structures to fail, and quite possibly high enough to melt steel."
lol, are you Unsane (pun intended). Read above.
"The “truthers” are lacking any evidence that is supported by physics
(except that using thermite produces iron rich spheres…but that’s not
the only thing that produces them)."
Please, enlighten me as to how iron could have melted and reshaped into tiny microscopic balls? I'd love to know...
Your post is laden (no, not bin laden) with incorrect information. For someone who says the "truthers" misconstrue data, you apparently are not holding your on feet to the "fire."
Your point was a valid poin
April 25, 2007 - 17:42 ET by WhichWingYour point was a valid point but, my point was a valid counter-point to your point. It’s called debate.
I didn't consider it a valid counter-point because you changed the subject. When you said that most Americans don't approve of the NAU, I didn't look for someone to blame for that. When I said that most Americans don't approve of the Iraq War, you changed the subject to bias in the media. Bias or not, the fact remains that most Americans are opposed to the Iraq War, and despite that disapproval, the war continues. But you were saying that because of our disapproval of the NAU, it wouldn't happen?
You'll argue all day about how impossible it would be for the government to carry out the attacks of 9/11, can you make the same arguement about them not letting it happen? I trust you won't ask why they would want to do that.
Can you blame us when we see Pelosi holding talks with our enemies
without executive authorization or when Reid proclaims the war is lost?
Why has this bothered everyone so much? Did she give them information about our national security? Or broker some deal to train their terrorists? Did she do something the Republicans didn't do during their visit just 2 days before her's.
The definition of patriotism applies to the left too. The right sees one way of supporting its country, and the left sees another. That doesn't mean its unpatriotic.
"I have not read your
April 24, 2007 - 08:59 ET by MightyMouth"I have not read your whole post, nor will I"
Big mistake on your part (or you are lying). Unsane and misterbill have both written words you should take to heart. You wichwing, need conversion, and I mean fast! However I suspect misterbill is correct and you are a plant or in self denial about your lunatic leftist positions. Therefore, their words fall upon deaf ears. Your ego will be your down fall.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Unsane just destroyed WW.
April 24, 2007 - 09:11 ET by Dave RWW,
LOL-I hate to say it, pal, but Unsane just deposited the entire contents of a can of electronic whoop-ass on you.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
What kind of amoral universe
April 24, 2007 - 10:56 ET by Jack BauerWhat kind of amoral universe do you inhabit to believe that your own people (thousands of airline personnel, demolition experts, police, security forces, faked witnesses, politicians, officials and all the rest) are capable of such a thing as being integral to a plot to execute the murder of 3000 of your fellow citizens?
How much hate for your own country do you have to carry like a cancer in order to live in such a desolate and ridiculous mental hell?
What psychoses must a mind be riddled with in order to ignore and negate what is perfectly obvious (and happened in broad daylight before our very eyes) while instead believing a 'theory' of such monumental fantasy?
How much pure constant hatred does that take?
What, in short, is the miserable black hole of self-loathing insanity and drivel that drives a malignant narcissist like you, Rosie O’Donnell, and the millions of slavering acolytes?
"This is the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel,"Rosie O'Donnell, Ph.Dumbass, Emeritus Professor of Stupid Wimmn's Studies, Clown University.
First, you have no eviden
April 24, 2007 - 12:23 ET by ThoughtPoliceFirst, you have no evidence that 1,000 or more people are in on the conspiracy. That is pure speculation. We have a gov't that endorses the FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, et al yet you don't believe they can keep a secret? Please, tell me of all the latest that each of those organizations is doing? I'd LOVE to know who our gov't is spying on this week. I mean, there are tens of thousands of people in these org's, so you MUST know what they are doing?
Here is the saddest (or best?) part of this whole thing. While you sit idlely, hundreds and thousands of people every day are waking up. There is NO regression, only progression. Average citizens, politicians, scientists, scholars, academics, engineers, and architects are ALL waking up to the 9/11 lie. With each response you post saying we are "crazy" and "conspiracy theorists" another 10 people have woken up.
So, as much as you think you are "debunking 9/11 truthers" you are not.
Please visit these sites and inform yourself...
pilotsfor911truth.org
patriotsquestion911.com
journalof911studies.com
911citizenswatch.org
911weknow.com
911blogger.com
Enjoy your newly found cognitive liberty...
oh yeah - Wilson and Plame ar
April 24, 2007 - 12:33 ET by Dee Bunkoh yeah - Wilson and Plame are going to blow the lid open on Yellow cake and whether Saddam tried to purchase it to discredit the Iraq war, but mums the word on killing our own civilians.
"While you sit idlely,
April 24, 2007 - 12:33 ET by MightyMouth"While you sit idlely, hundreds and thousands of people every day are waking up."
"...as witnessed by the daily protests in the streets by hundreds and thousands of the U.S. citizenry calling to impeach the conspirators."
No? Can't say that? Why not? Cause it taint happin!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
If you "9/11 truthers&qu
April 24, 2007 - 22:20 ET by UnsaneIf you "9/11 truthers" were in fact that, you can answer my questions without breaking a sweat. But, you are incapable of doing so. I wonder why that is?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
TP....You still refuse to ans
April 24, 2007 - 22:25 ET by Clear thinkerTP....
You still refuse to answer my question so now I have no choice but to think you are full of hot air. Nothing you say from this point on can be taken seriously by anyone because you will NOT tell the truth.
Why won't you answer my question? Are you scared?
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
"First, you have no evid
April 24, 2007 - 23:14 ET by Chicago Republican"First, you have no evidence that 1,000 or more people are in on the conspiracy."
Then you go on to say that is pure speculation. TP, speculation is what your entire argument is based on (and spare us the posts about "this witness said he saw 'X'"). But I digress
How many people would need to be kept quiet for this to stay off the front pages of the NYT for over five years? 1000 people or more is not a long shot. It may even be a low number.
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Temper tantrums
April 24, 2007 - 22:26 ET by UnsaneWow. So THIS is what a temper tantrum looks like in digital....
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Whichwing...C-4 comes in 1/4
April 20, 2007 - 11:56 ET by bassndudeWhichwing...C-4 comes in 1/4 pound blocks. 200lbs of C-4 is not enough to take out the primary columes in one building, let alone 2. You dont have enough explosives there to do the job. It would take more than a month to drill all the columes to plant the C-4. Demo companys generaly do not use or have C-4. They use TNT. C-4, composition B and other such explosives are generaly used only by the military. TNT burns at approxmately 22,763 fps, C-4 at about 50,000 fps. Neither explosive could have suvrived the fire. TNT would have exploded and C-4 would have burnt to nothing. I used to use C-4 to heat my meals when I was in the Army.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Hmm...how about you throw in
April 20, 2007 - 13:58 ET by ThoughtPoliceHmm...how about you throw in some thermite/themate into the mix. That should take care of some of your problems with TNT/C-4.
You see, just as in another post, you cannot account for molten metal under towers 1,2 and 7. Not only were there physical pools of molten iron, there were "iron rich spheres" in the air and dust particles from ground zero. The USGS reported they found this, so unless you can dispute them, you might as well admit you are wrong. The only way to have iron this small is for it to melt then reshape due to surface tension.
Keep up the wonderful job of "debunking" us 9/11 truthers...
Sorry TP, but the question st
April 20, 2007 - 23:20 ET by Chicago RepublicanSorry TP, but the question still remains: If there is ANY, ANY credible evidence that supports your argument, where is the Bush Hating MSM pursuing this charge? They won't touch it because they know that it is pure, unadultered kookery. And the laughable thing is that people like you and the boogereating Liberty or Death have the chip on your shoulders like you are the smart ones in the room. Its really hysterical.
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It is laughable that we are t
April 21, 2007 - 18:22 ET by ThoughtPoliceIt is laughable that we are the smart ones, cause im only of average intelligence, which is why it is so funny proving you people wrong.
Look, the MSM doesn't touch it because they report about ana nicole, and imus, and sharpton, and whatever other bullshit stories are out at the time. Not only that, but they are being complicit in covering up 9/11. It's no coincidence most people get their news from sources that are owned by the same person/company/conglomerate.
Why is it that before films like loose change and other 9/11 truth movies did 99% of americans not know about building 7? You'd think that would be pretty important, but not to the MSM. Why isn't professor Jones work about finding evidence of thermite/thermate used on the towers and 7 in the MSMS? It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, but i forgot, I am the smart one here...
And don't act like all MSM is bush hating, cause obviously channels like faux news are pro bush, pro iraq war, pro anything rupert tells them.
And so modest about your inte
April 21, 2007 - 18:25 ET by OttoAnd so modest about your intellectual attainments.
"faux news?" How original, TP
April 21, 2007 - 18:56 ET by RJ"faux news?" How original. TP, even if the rest of your post hadn't shown that you're a nut case not to be taken seriously, your last silly and trite sentence would have done the trick.
I have been waiting patiently
April 21, 2007 - 18:59 ET by bigtimerI have been waiting patiently for someone to post exactly what you did RJ.
Thanks.
ROFL...
That from Lord Modesty himsel
April 21, 2007 - 22:50 ET by UnsaneThat from Lord Modesty himself...
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Your shallow reasoning/logi
April 21, 2007 - 20:01 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveYour shallow reasoning/logic amazes me. If there were any inkling of credibility to the conspiracy theories you so dearly love, the media would be all over them...it would be the story of the decade. If they were busy with a 9/11 conspiracy story as big and as credible as you think it is, then they wouldn't waste more than a couple of minutes on stories like Imus, Anna Nicole Smith, and whatever other small-time stories they report on when there is nothing bigger and better to report on. You know the media would love a story that would destroy Bush...so why aren't they giving it any time? ...oh yeah, because there isn't a single shred of credibility to it.
Have you ever watched FOXNEWS? I have and out of all the network and cable channels out there, they try harder than the rest to give fair time to both sides of the story. They try to remain objective as much as possible in their news reporting. You need to remember that The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity & Combes are both subjective commentary not news reporting. And for the record, I believe I speak for most of us conservatives here at NB when I say that we quite frequently disagree with Bill O'Reilly. He's not as much of a conservative as he is a right-leaning populist.
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AMEN, Gene, thank you for bac
April 22, 2007 - 07:26 ET by Chicago RepublicanAMEN, Gene, thank you for backing me on this .... you are 100% CORRECT
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There are several problems wi
April 22, 2007 - 07:34 ET by Chicago RepublicanTP - There are several problems with your response. First off, as Gene says above, its because they have nothing else to report that they run with Anna Nicole, Imus etc. If there was ANY ANY ANY shred of credible evidence to your kookery they would be all over it. The media in this country HATE this president, and if it would send him to jail in shame they'd be all over the story. And nice try, TP, trying to say that since Fox News is "conservative" there is no way that CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC and especially CBS, WaPo and the NYT wouldn't be beating this story to death if it had any credible evidence that it was a worthy one.
One last thing, we've pointed this out to you left wingers on countless occaisions: simply because a "conservative" owns a news network, it doesn't mean that the editors, producers etc are influenced by anything that the owners of the network say. This website has shown you people countless times of the liberal bent of the news networks. Again, I have to say, people like you and LOD just break me up. You are utterly deranged and kooky, yet you have the chip on your shoulder like we're the idiots. Its so entertaining to me.
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Are you really that naive/i
April 24, 2007 - 15:53 ET by ThoughtPoliceAre you really that naive/ignorant/stupid/zombified that you really think Fox News isn't biased towards Murdoch's opinion?
http://www.guardian....
http://www.amazon.co...
http://rightweb.irc-...
and my favorite: http://www.newscorps...
People like Lod/WhichWing/Myself have shown ad nauseum/infinitum/your favorite latin saying, that you are WRONG about 9/11 and are obviously wrong about this. It's just TOO EASY.
TP...The only thing you guys
April 24, 2007 - 15:56 ET by Clear thinkerTP...
The only thing you guys have proven is that you beleive in Big Foot, the Tooth Fairy, Soylent Green, etc.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
TP, are you really that naive/ignorant/stupid/zombified....
April 24, 2007 - 16:16 ET by RJTP, are you really that naive/ignorant/stupid/zombified that you really think the rest of the media isn't biased towards the left?
Sure FoxNews tilts right, but it's less than the tilt to the left by the rest of the cable or broadcast media. Personally, though, I don't watch any of the cable or broadcast channels for news. Every last one of them is geared to tabloidism and a grade school mentality.
Thought Police,First of all,
April 24, 2007 - 22:06 ET by Chicago RepublicanThought Police,
First of all, I find it absolutely delicious that a deranged booger eating kook has the audacity to call me stupid when he, with all his heart, is absolutely brainless enough to think that a colossal, underground government movement can exist and be executed without a single word of it being leaked to a MAJOR media outlet, any one of many that absolute detest Republicans and would LOVE to run with the story. What's more, there is no way in hell such a conspiracy can exist without at least one person (of the MANY needed to execute this secret) having an attack of conscience and blowing the whistle on it.
One of three things is going on here, Thought Police. Either you and people like you hate George Bush so much it rules your deranged lives, or you are naturally deranged and given to beliefs that John F. Kennedy is still alive living in a one bedroom apartment with Elvis and Salman Rushdie, OR some combination of the two.
The quesiton still remains, why in God's name hasn't the very Left Leaning, Bush hating media run with any of your idiotic theories? You know the answer, they're kooky.
Rupert Murdock may very well be the exception - in that he doesn't allow his network to be 100% liberal. Because Murdock is a business man that sees a market for something that heartland America wants - news that isn't giving Bill Clinton a hand job. And he dictates such to those he puts in place to make the decisions. Its clear that WaPo, NYT, NBC et al are managed in such a way. That's why this site exists.
Stop acting like you are the sane one here, TP. You're a kook. Accept it. There is nothing normal about your 9/11 theory, no matter how many kooks with websites out there agree with you. Its time to face that fact.
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CR - You make a noble effor
April 24, 2007 - 22:13 ET by Free StinkerCR - You make a noble effort, but reasoning with Thoughtless is futile.
You know, FS, the more I thin
April 24, 2007 - 22:49 ET by Chicago RepublicanYou know, FS, the more I think about it, the more I'm amazed at what some people will believe. Here this administration can do almost nothing without some lifer at NSA/CIA squealing like a pig to the NYT about it. Yet these people have this chip on their shoulder that if you do not believe that the government was able to do this is pure secrecy, keeping the charade going involving hundreds of people without a single, credible leak to the media in OVER FIVE YEARS; if you do not believe them, you are the stupid one. I'm sorry, I just can't stop laughing at that.
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Chuck Coleson (Nixon's Lawy
April 24, 2007 - 22:54 ET by Free StinkerChuck Coleson (Nixon's Lawyer) said it best:
Here we were, some of the smartest people in the country, with all the resources the President had at his disposal and we could not cover up a simple burglarly.
Clarification: "And he d
April 24, 2007 - 23:17 ET by Chicago RepublicanClarification:
"And he dictates such to those he puts in place to make the decisions. Its clear that WaPo, NYT, NBC et al are NOT managed in such a way. That's why this site exists."
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Weak
April 24, 2007 - 23:19 ET by UnsaneWeak.
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Very nice, all of you. Com
April 19, 2007 - 17:24 ET by WhichWingVery nice, all of you. Come demand answers to speculative questions and then whine that you are tired of hearing about conspiracy theories. Your FBI link it a good one, by the way.
Cool, a lib with a sense of
April 19, 2007 - 20:31 ET by MightyMouthCool, a lib with a sense of humor. Rest assured bumpkin, we aren't laughing with you, we are laughing at you!
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Which, don't bother. I trie
April 20, 2007 - 10:36 ET by ThoughtPoliceWhich, don't bother. I tried answering Insane's 20 questions some time ago. I actually took the time to try and respectfully answer his questions. You know, like the facts that Securacom, who Marvin Bush was on the Board of Directors, ran security for the WTC towers AS WELL AS Dulles Airport where 2 of the planes came from. Hmm...what a GIANT coincidence I guess?
Or, how WTC worker Scott Forbes reported massive power downs of the WTC buildings never before seen. His testimony is substantiated by WTC worker turned gov't hero turned 9/11 Truther William Rodriguez. Rodriguezes' testimony is so mind blowingly damaging to the official story that literally anyone who hears his testimony cannot pass it off as 'conspiracy.'
After I put several minutes into blowing his questions out of the water, he came back and said that I was crazy, or my answers were crazy and wrong...I don't really remember exactly what he said, but you can bet he didn't like the fact I was able to solidly give him evidence.
Of course, since his questions are hypothetical, you could give hime 100% correct answers and he could still say your're wrong since its his opinion.
I can't even post anymore without feeling good about myself after I give these guys ravage beatings each time. It's quite nice ;)!
Lying
April 20, 2007 - 11:38 ET by UnsaneSo, you want to add lying to your list of offenses? Perhaps you would be so kind as to cut-and-paste those responses to my questions. ALL of them.
You have yet to give me a shove, much less a beating. But, whatever allows you to sleep at night, I guess. Those addicted to fantasy I cannot understand...
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Are you seriously asking memb
April 24, 2007 - 13:30 ET by libertyordeathAre you seriously asking members of the general public these irrelevant questions? The fact is, that's the only way you can sleep at night; by shielding your common sense from use with a pathetic security blanket you consider "proof". I'll tell you what weasel, I'll play your little game with you. I'll start by telling you that I will answer each and every question on the list as soon as you show me that Osama bin Laden is wanted by the FBI for the attacks of 9/11. I'll be waiting.
Right, we're too stupid to ge
April 24, 2007 - 19:35 ET by AvatarRight, we're too stupid to get it, unlike you 'truthers'.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
Wait, by YOUR logic, because the FBI file doesn't mention 9/11 specifically, it means that it was an inside job? Again, what you have here is a set of circumstances that fits your agenda. It's classic conspiracy theory: Search around the actual evidence and proof of the truth for completely irrelevant circumstances in order to find your 'truth'.
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All one has to do to dispro
April 24, 2007 - 19:57 ET by JerryAll one has to do to disprove any "demolition" theory is to look at the video of the collapse of the towers and surrounding buildings.
Each tower collapses from the point of impact downward. The top portion of the building remains intact. It collapses down and each subsequent floor pancakes onto the floor below it.
So what you want us to believe is, the "demolition" crew knew exactly where those planes were going to strike, and planted explosives from that point downward, and detonated them in a top down order. RIGHT!!
The surrounding buildings collapsed from the bottom up. In other words, the foundation crumbled and the building simple fell. Look at the video. It is almost as if the building is falling into a hole, but in reality, the bottom floor goes and then each subsequent floor falls onto it (pancaking from the bottom up). Guess what. When 2 buildings as large as the twin towers fall, there is a gigantic debris field. Foundations of surrounding buildings WILL be damaged.
The tower that was hit second, collapses first. Why? Because the point of impact was much further down, resulting in a tremendous amount of weight above the damage zone. The tremendous amount of weight led to an earlier structural failure.
Earth to consipiracy zombies. Use a little common sense. 747's flew halfway through the towers. This resulted in a tremendous amount of structural damage. Couple that with the intense heat from a full load of jet fuel, fanned by the wind that constantly sweeps past tall buildings, and you get exactly what happened.
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Keep in mind that 767s flew i
April 24, 2007 - 22:23 ET by UnsaneKeep in mind that 767s flew into the buildings. I only shudder to think what would have happened if a comparably fueled 747 did the dastardly deed...
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Weasel? Nice try, LOD. Ge
April 24, 2007 - 22:26 ET by Chicago RepublicanWeasel? Nice try, LOD. Get your finger out of your nose. You're the kook here, not me.
Most likely, Osama bin Laden is not listed as wanted by the FBI because the acts of 9/11 are now, unlike in the past, viewed as an act of war. Once it becomes an act of war it is no longer a law enforcement issue.
Is that 100% correct? Maybe not. But it is a HELL of a lot more believable than the STUPID, kooky wishful belief that your own government is b