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Let's talk about that incredi

Let's talk about that incredible shrinking border fence shall we. What a joke that Border Fence Bill was, just to appease conservatives who have just about had it. Any thoughts? Sorry in advance if you all have already discussed this issue.

"De Fense!  De Fense!&q

"De Fense!  De Fense!"  Tattoo at a football game?

There’s a fence?  I 'm sor

There’s a fence? 

I 'm sorry but we put our own guys in jail for doing their jobs.  Our government has done nothing to take care of the problem.  They say "Yes we will secure the borders", Promise to spend the money to do it and then Pork up a spending bill for the troops to buy votes so they can get a time table for defeat....um I mean withdrawal.

It is nothing more than the death of common sense.

Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint.  Send Rosie to Iran.  Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007

There's a fence? - yep, that

There's a fence? - yep, that BIG hole over yonder. New term suggestion - we have "fly over county" for most of the country the demolibs ignore, how's about "walk over country" for our border areas?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Some of those guys are hisp

Some of those guys are hispanics, how do the dems maintain a positive relationship with that sector by flushing those guards?

JDW

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"Fences!? We ain't got n

"Fences!? We ain't got no fences. We don't need no fences! We don't have to build you any stinking fences!!"

well, after all Ten7s

Do we? What good are they?

Did Mexico have a fence around Texas, to keep Jim Bowie and Davey Crockett from busting in ? No. They knew it was wasted taxpayer's money. The bad guys would crawl under it. Guys like Sam Houston, for whom they named a city.

Its my country, and I demand

Its my country, and I demand that we "waste" my tax dollars the way I want.  What's wrong Punchy Villa, want another war with Mexico?  Watch out, your buddies just might lose their oil fields.

it's not YOUR country

IT'S OUR COUNTRY. My tax dollars count too. It's not only what YOU decide.

BTW; I live in the USA, and you're one of "my buddies." But we have no cause for war with Mexico. Get your Pampers outta the wedge.

Tum your argument taht a fenc

Tum your argument taht a fence wont help is bogus.  Most of Mexico is surrounded by fences, almost al lthe desirable residences are.  Not only that they place broken bottles on top of them, they have guard dogs and so on.  Now tell me whty a fence wont help a lot, that is without looking like teh ideolog idiot you seem to be.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

The government of Mexico invi

The government of Mexico invited Americans into Texas to become settlers - as long as they became citizens and agreed to support the Mexican government.  Andy Jackson has previously sworn loyalty to the Spanish government when he wanted land that was available.  Apparently it was no big thing back then.

Everything was rolling along nicely until Mexico made slavery illegal  - suddenly her new citizens decided that Texas should become an independent nation.  Davey Crockett  invaded Texas to fight the Mexicans - guess he must have thought slavery was a good idea...

How is this pertinent to il

How is this pertinent to illegals crossing our border today, obtaining illegitimate licenses, acquiring health care unlawfully, seeking civil rights as U.S. citizens, education, Social Security... ?

JDW

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"How is this pertinent ---"

"How is this pertinent ---"--it is only pertinent to j frunk's ego. The hate oozes out of his pores all the time. I am beginning to think he is from Canada or the UK and delights in coming here to insult America. Isn't it amazing how many intelligent people have warped minds???

Yes JFrank--I do think your intelligent,but you need to stop putting on the tinfoil hat every day. It is deranging you. It is making you seek out every nasty thing you can say about America. I do hope you are getting paid for it as it seems like a full time job for you.

"How is this pertinent ---"

grunt

You are full of shit and dont

You are full of shit and dont know your history either.  The Texicans were angry at Santa Ana and his governance in the same way all dictators are despised.  He wanted all Texicans to pay exhorbinant taxes for services that were not rendered.  Almost all Texans, of all races wanted to seceede from Mexico. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

Dan the Texan Man

Oh, KEEP YER TEXAS, shetkicker . . .

When Tumbler was a kid in New Mexico, the restroom graffitti usually had one or two of these:

Flush the toilet, Texas needs the water ! HAR HAR !

The states offered to buy T

The states offered to buy Texas.

JDW

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Your grasp of history apparen

Your grasp of history apparently stops with Walt Disney's Davey Crockett tv show.

Others, however, know the facts:

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/SS/yps1.html

The Texas War of "Independence" was to keep the slaves slaves.  Maybe you slept through that part of the class...

I read your link, focused O

I read your link, focused ONLY on slavery. In fact I queried the arthur, 'slavery specialist'. As I stated, there was more to this and I am not surprised you are unwilling to consider it, this is defeat of America! Why take the time to explain to deaf ears?

JDW

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"Arthur!  Arthur!"

"Arthur!  Arthur!"  Did you read "Bang the Drum Slowly" too many times?

Sorry - I didn't grasp the rest of your post.  It reads like you type with a canoe paddle held between your teeth.

I'd ask you try again - but I really don't care.

PS:  Regarding  your oh-so-clever tagline - "media" is plural. 

I read your link which focu

I read your link which focused ONLY on slavery. In fact I queried the author who writes ONLY about slavery'. As I stated EARLIER, there was more to this, I am not surprised you cannot see beyond slavery, it reflects defeat of America!

If you are intelligent enough to recognize a spelling error one must presuppose you possess the ability to grasp the above.

If you are unfamiliar with the complete historical perspective, please do not insult others with prevarications.

JDW

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Of course that link was only

Of course that link was only about slavery.  The heading "Slavery" was a give-away to that effect.

The Texas War of Independence was largely about keeping slavery.  I made that statement.  It was disputed.  I responded with the cite.

Am I going too fast for you here?

Read the other cite for more information about the War - nothing about taxes or Santa Ana.

Bottom line:  the boys at the Alamo died to keep the slaves slaves.

J Frank:When you find somethi

J Frank:

When you find something bad about your country after a long search, it makes you feel good inside, right?  A warm glow that flickers at the edges like a well banked fire because now you know that you, yourself are flawed because your nation is flawed, right?

US casualties in Iraq - Warmth....

Civilian Casualties caused by the bad guys in Iraq causes no particular sensation, just a sort of numbed feeling , not good, but not bad.  But being able to find a way to blame the US military, boy is that warmth like fur lined gloves on a cold day when you have not been wearing any gloves for thirty minutes.

What IS your pathology?

My pathology?  Where do you

My pathology?  Where do you get off with this crap?  I love my country.  How could any reasonable person take satisfaction from US casualties anywhere - Iraq, Afghanistan, the streets of Oakland or Detroit or New Orleans.  You are one sick puppy.  You spew out this garbage like a BlunderRush wannabe, talking about what other people think or feel.  You have no clue, no glimmer, of what others are thinking or feeling.  None.

I do believe in truth.  I made a simple, historic point and backed it up with two excellent cites.  Our country is far from perfect - now or in the past.  And I'm not afraid to admit it.

When Abraham Lincoln opposed the war with Mexico did that make him a traitor?  Of course not.

 If you choose to run from the truth - and support an administration that lives in fear of the truth - that's your choice.  If you support a President who stands before the American people and lies through his teeth - and then later says sure I lied I had no choice - all the best to you.  You'll need it.

In the meantime, I know we have done better and we can do better in the future.

Which country is that, J.Wein

Which country is that, J.Weiner?

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

Really?1.)  Okay, the US fre

Really?

1.)  Okay, the US frees millions of Afghanis from the tyranny that was the Taliban and their friends AQ.  The bad guys are chased to the backwoods of Pakistan and are having a hell of a time slipping back into Afghanistan, in fact turning the border region into a Jihadi Magnet that is wiping out thousands of the bad guys each year. 

An occasional AQ slips through to cause mischief, but not a signifcant number.  What do you say regarding that?  You will wrack your mind for the littlest thing that could have possibly gone wrong in order to get that little flame going again.

2.)  Iraq is under the jackbooted heal of Saddam Hussein, and US forces storm the country in record time with the smallest casualty margin in history.  Initially the populace greets the US forces (I was there) and rebuilding begins with a slow analysis phase with boots on the ground.  With the assistance of more allied countries than actively fought in WWII on the allied side in 1943 or in Desert Storm in 1990, freedom and democracy begins...

After two years AQ begins to get established due to the realization by AQ that Iraq is more centrally key to holding onto their ideology.  Freedom in the center of the Arabic world will spread like a cancer and they commit all their energies to this effort to demoralize the american people.  Even so, the US still commits to the cause.

After three years there is more electricity, water, oil production, and even human rights in Iraq.  AQ attacks a mosque and begins minor ethnic skirmishing, but largely the country is secure.

Yet, you will say what?  We should have begun reconstruction faster?  Shot more looters?  Attracted the French to the effort (What is is with the Libs and Frogs)?  Lost fewer casualties for major campaign that in any campaign in history (oops, already got that, sorry?)

3.)  US forces have at the same time virtually destroyed Islamic terrorism in the southern Phillipines, largely cleaned up Yemen, and have largely secured the Horn of Africa.  What will you say?  "You whould have also handled Darfur?"

Good GOD!!!!!!

You will seek to find the dark lining in that silver cloud.  What IS your pathology?

Nicely put, BD.What is is wit

Nicely put, BD.

What is is with the Libs and Frogs?

I think it's defeatism.  Or cut and run.  Or surrender. 

Take your pick.

Yeah, I have often wondered a

Yeah, I have often wondered about the libs and Frogs. 

We had combat forcesin Iraq from South Korea, Italy, Poland, UK, Australia, Ukraine, El Salvador, the Netherlands, and a few other smaller contingents.

We had combat support troops from even more countries, but all I heard from the left was "We have no allies in Iraq -See! We don't have the French there!"

Its like, if we had a few frogs there we could have surrendered or something.

(1.) If you deem Afghanistan

(1.) If you deem Afghanistan to be a victory, Lord save us from a defeat.  There is a tremendous amount of unfinished business there.  This is a country that for centuries has proven to be easy to invade and almost impossible to conquor.  The head of the country is little more than the mayor of his capital city.  Taliban are cutting the throats of teachers with the nerve to teach women.  Opium production is at record levels - is that a positive economic development?

(2.) You confuse numbers of countries with numbers of troops.  Perhaps more nations "contributed" to the COW (ca$h cow, as Sen. Byrd said) but certainly not percentages of fighting forces, than WW II.  What's the percentage - 98% of the troops came from the US & Britian - and 96% from the USA?  How many of those other countries did we bribe or browbeat to join the COW?

Where do you get your figures that Iraq oil production today exceeds that of the pre-war nation?  You use national averages for electrical production and water service.  What about in their capital?

We could have actually had a plan for victory - instead of letting looters run wild and destruction that cost hundreds of American lives and for which we continue to pay a price.  "...rebuilding beings with a slow analysis phase with boots on the ground."   Too bad those happy folks we saved didn't sit around while we thought out the next step.  Why didn't we pull off the shelf the plans we already had?  Oh, that's right, Rummie didn't let those State Dept. folks join in the fray.

I would suggest the Iraqi civil war started well before the event you cite - frankly, it doesn't make much difference now.  The debacle is of epic proportions, and our pathetic lack of planning and execution is responsible.

When will this ballyhooed &qu

When will this ballyhooed "Iraqi civil war" BEGIN already?  The media has been crying that "we're on the brink!" for 24 months now! 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

So, the clinical session can

So, the clinical session can now begin... Bring in the patient.

1.)  Casualties in Afghanistan have been virtually non-existant.  Public elections have occurred and continue.  Representative government in the populated areas is on ongoing.  Our enemies are forced to occupy mountainous terrain that marginalizes their contact with the civil populace and makes any form of effective resupply operations difficult to the extreme.  Large numbers of them cannot mass for effective operations, and when it is attempted they die in huge bloody heaps that rot on top of mountains...

Early predictions by the american hating left said in the first week that we had followed the Russian example and were now bogged down in Afghnistan and we were all gonna die just like in the quagmire of Vietnam. Then three SF ODA effectively took Kabul. 

Then the American hating left said that we would never get to Kandahar since that is the Taliban stronghold and we were all gonna die.  Then two ODA took Kandahar.  

The Talis and AQ then began withdrawal operations to Waziristan.  They have not really effectively returned yet.

The American Hating left said that we were all gonna die during occupation duties, usually quoting from Rudyard Kipling.  Then the Civil Military affairs teams began landing.

So J Frank will say....   The few Taliban who have sneaked in are incapable of staging effective operations against US forces so they cut the throats of those who teach women and the US is evil because of it?  What is your pathology?

Opium is being grown now more than it was under the Tali's so the US is evil because of it?   What is your pathology?

2.) Numbers versus countries.  In Northwest Europe in WWII we had effectively three contries fighting, UK, Canada and the US.  On a percentage basis we now have similar amounts in country right now.  Remember, the US had approximately 43 divisions in place at that time compared to the Brits 8 and the Canadian half dozen.    Sorry.

But because we cannot get the French to commit a single soldier to come to Iraq, the US is an evil country.  What is your pathology?

3.)  Prior to the war, Iraq had lower POL production than it has today, mostly because what Iraq had in place was old, poorly maintained, and inefficiently used.  Since the invasion US engineers and Civil Affair units have spearheaded efforts to bring in civilian efforts to update these facilities.  (Bless Halliburton, they do good work.) 

What will you say?  Because Iraq had a dictatorship that caused them to have antiquated facilities the US is inherently evil?  What is your pathology?

Water production?  Very little in the way of sanitation services was available in Iraq prior to the war.  That which was avialable was clustered in Bagdahd in the areas the Baathists were known to use.  Same-same water purification.  Most villages used drive up wells.  We now have drilled wells in the rural areas and water facilities have begun and are in some cases finishing in new areas.

What will you say?  Because an oocasional bad guy wishes to stop improvements he will blow up a water plant and the US is inherently evil because we cannot stop everything?  What is your pathology?

Electricity?  Production is way up.  Surprisingly consumption is up even higher as people in outlying towns begin purchasing air conditioning, computers etc.  Stuff Saddam did not bother to import for his people.

Capitalism is thriving to the point that enterpreneurs with US assistance are buying generators to put in neighborhoods off the grid to power them so cell phones etc can be used.

What will you say?  We are evil because we are contributing to global warming by allowing them to modernize?   What is your pathology?

Plan for victory?  Hell we seized the country in record time.

What DID you say?  We are evil because of Looting?  Hell Looting ALWAYS occurs after an army moves in.  See Band Of Brothers for good detail.  What is your pathology?

You speak of plans on a shelf.  Please produce one for me now.  Full, hard copy.  You see, I had access to plans and they were good ones that WERE used.  We occuppied our sectors as the plans directed and began to do reconnaissance to determine what was needed. 

What will you say?  We were evil because we did not know that Samarra did not have effective sewer systems for the Taos Pueblo style mudhuts before we occuppied 3rd and main street?  What is your pathology?

State Department?  Oh, thats right, you ideolize the Foggy Bottoms, they are NEVER inherently evil, they do the lords work in all its might.  What is your pathology?

Were people taking out past grudges before the dome got blown up?  You bet.  Retail level only and it was usually personal in nature.  But because we were not able to stop individual murders we were evil?  What is your pathology?

We still control the place and strides forward are occuring, but you are blind to it, only able to see your own self hatered for ourselves.  Finally, What is your pathology? 

First and foremost, like th

First and foremost, like the news media, he fails to recognize the accomplishments of our military. How many terrorists died? The idea of awakening each day to hear about the three new deaths which occurred on our side has become archaic. Why would any sane individual would either look forward to such let alone update the total?

He claims to be an American? How does he feel about the sacrifices our volunteer military has made to eliminate the dictatorship, provide new education, create business, overhaul water plants, fix refineries and oil production, eliminate curfews ... ? Maybe he supports his party's referendum of redeployment allowing the volunteers to assist other countries in similar fashion?

Out of curiosity, being a lover of his country, I wonder how he feels about what Pelosi is doing?

JDW

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If you are going to whine about spelling... get a life

Well that's the thing JDW, they're all screwed up

Well that's the thing JDW, they're all screwed up. The USA exists for them in a continuous state of failure. There's always starving or uninsured or homeless or schools or whatever "crisis" the insane liberals like j frank wilson have at the tip of their blabbering exagerrations tongue. They have a hundred crisis nowadays, with every food product and 55 different diseases and all the rest, ready to go on a moments whine notice. They have practiced how to make a huge lying complaint for 6 years straight now.

 The only time the jackasses have any relief is when they fall flat on their lying faces and find a corrupt (D) grinding their head into the dirt, and then they faithfully proclaim endlessly that everything is fine and dandy over the entire face of the earth.

 One of the most amazing things I've seen is the msm just like psychos drooling to take another quarry, announce at the beginning of their newscast their new great death toll number, which by sane minds would be how many enemy terrorists went down to a dirtnap, but instead is as we know. It's definitely deranged.

 Worse yet, or equally as sick, they often declare Iraqis dead and infer the USA forces did it, and completely support an insane Rosie position on it, quite sure to protect any accusation against "terrorists" who go by another name.

 I'd say j frank wilson is part and parcel of the mind numbing phychos who have indoctrinated him his entire life, and from whose grip he hasn't the sense, nor the courage to be free from. I sincerely believe they are inherently psychotic, a walking mental illness, and are sometimes or maybe very often incapable of recieving and processing any data that is outside of their psycho-bubble.

 I would think it would get old very quickly slinking off silently like slime, but for some reason it probably comes naturally to them, in their bizarro world.

I also want to say I understood you easily and perfectly the first time above when j frank pulled the "bal" crap and couldn't understand. Like I said, they're mental.

IIRC, slavery was one part of

IIRC, slavery was one part of the rationale for Texas independence, that is correct. But there was more to it than just the Anglos' desire to keep their slaves.

The Mexican government, following the Mier y Teran report, was threatening to become more involved in the Texas region. Specifically, it was threatening to send more troops into Texas to "keep an eye on" the Texas settlers. Also, the Mexican government threatened to enfore policies it previously ignored... such as requiring the Anglo settlers to convert to Catholicism.

So Frank, you are PARTIALLY correct, but not completely. The Anglo Texans DID want to protect slavery, but that was not the sole factor in their desire to seek independence.

George W. Bush is not a conservative, but I still support his presidency. I'd rather have him as president than ANY of the Democrats.
Merry Christmas 2007.

jfrank

Why do you hate America???  Even if I agreed with you, should the sins of the ancestors be visited upon the children?  I will be purchasing the book, "Stop Walking on Eggshells" next week to better help me to understand those, like you, who are steeped in self-loathing. And, yes, I am of the mindset that does not believe an apology for slavery from today's Americans is necessary. There are many of us who not only abhor slavery but detest the discrimination in the years following. We have done our best to change those problems and issues and owe no one an apology.

Go hate yourself, in a corner, by yourself, or get counseling.

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott

misterbill

misterbill, they claim right now this moment that the children of illegal immigrants should not be punished for their parents sins. LOL

Dude, they are just ****'in liars and traitors, that's how they are. Totally full of ****. There's no getting around it. They're mentally blocked in denial and half insane, and the rest of it is blown out of their gourd by their own emotional derangement, and for all I know they're infected with ADD and ADHD and the rest of their made up new designer diseases.

Your problem is, you don't se

Your problem is, you don't see the fallacy of this sentence...

The Texas War of "Independence" was to keep the slaves slaves.

Slavery was ONE factor, not the SOLE factor.

George W. Bush is not a conservative, but I still support his presidency. I'd rather have him as president than ANY of the Democrats.
Merry Christmas 2007.

Nothing about taxes - nothing

Nothing about taxes - nothing about a dictator.

You know less about history than you do about spelling.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/MM/npm1.html

I'm sure all those slaves were overjoyed to be able to continue to be slaves...

And you know much less about

And you know much less about history than you think.  You can't even evaluate sources.  I can.

The University of Texas at Moscow-on-the-Colorado is, as my name for it implies, extremely Leftist and possibly hates the United States much more than even you. 

The base of the San Jacinto Battleground Monument summarizes the events leading up to the Texas Revolution and calls, accurately, "Mexico's early policies towards the colonists...very liberal."  Mexico needed to do something to populate its frontier state, since Spain had settled it with 5000 people over 300 years, and thus Texas had few residents. 

Try this passage from the book Lone Star Nation by H.W. Brands:

"(Stephen) Austin had sensed that change was afoot; the uneasiness of Teran during his tour of Texas wasn't a secret.  But Austin had hoped for something less drastic, something that wouldn't rekindle the anger that had given rise to the Fredonian Rebellion.  The April 6 law (Decree of 6 April 1830, effectively stopping all future American emigration) singled out Americans in its ban on immigration to Texas, and by fastening new garrisons on the settlers, it treated them as traitors-in-waiting.  In so doing, Austin feared, the law might make rebels out of peaceful men.  'They were becoming sincerely attached to this Government and they always had been faithful and always would be', he said of his colonists.  But the suspicions that inspired the new law threatened to alter everything...

"The heart of the colonists' complaint was that Mexico City was arbitrarily changing the rules upon which they made life plans.  The ban on immigration meant that Texas would remain a frontier society indefinitely.  Very few Americans, even among westerners, loved the frontier for its own sake.  They migrated to the unsettled regions because they could afford land there, but no sooner did they purchase their plots than they wanted the frontier to look like the settled regions back east."

And will you look at THIS!:

"Austin, like amny Americans of the day, was of two minds regarding slavery: he didn't like it, but he couldn't figure out what to do without it.  (In time much southern rhetoric would celebrate slavery, but in the 1820s this was still a minority view.)  Austin accepted slavery as necessary for the development of Texas: most of his colonists were southerners, and many wouldn't come without their slaves.  But he shuddered at the thought that Texas - his Texas - might someday be as slave ridden as large parts of the American Gulf Coast."

And: "For himself, Austin was happy that the Mexican Congress barred further import of slaves.  'Slavery is now most positively prohibited by our Constitution and by a number of laws, he wrote in June 1830, "and may it always be so." 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Wow.You left out Juan Valdez.

Wow.

You left out Juan Valdez. He worked for Halliburton.

Leave it to the non-Texans to

Leave it to the non-Texans to really screw it up...

The seizure of weapons at Anahuac (1832) and Gonzales (1835) also didn't hurt, as well as the taking of power in Mexico City by Santa Anna, the "Napoleon of the West".

Sam Houston apparently didn't think slavery was a good idea.  In 1861 he lost his job as Governor of Texas because he refused to pledge loyalty to the Confederacy after the Secession Convention voted on the idea. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

OK JFW, you just posted the B

OK JFW, you just posted the BEST reason against illegal immigration I've heard on this board YET!!! Just ask the Indians about the hazards of Illegal Immigration...

Please make sure your train of thought carries freight.

"Do we? What good are

"Do we? What good are they?

Did Mexico have a fence around Texas, to keep Jim Bowie and Davey Crockett from busting in ? No. They knew it was wasted taxpayer's money. The bad guys would crawl under it. Guys like Sam Houston, for whom they named a city."

Is that you, Rosie?


Illegal Immigrants cause global warming. Build the wall to save the Earth. Don't we owe it to the children?

nah, ckc not rosie

Nah, Rosie hasn't the talent we have here in the tumbler. He's your Good Counsel, Pal.

Actually, Sam Houston was kin

Actually, Sam Houston was kind of a nice guy.  He befriended the Cherokee and always had sympathy for their plight (he was known to them as the "Raven").  He also refused to take an oath of loyalty to the Confederacy, which cost him the office of Governor of TX. 

His alcoholism was a problem, though.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

No...

The reason no fence was built, is the same kind of reason that there were no bouncing betty landmines or small nuclear devices along the border -- it wasn't conceivable at the time. Nice try... Give it up Tumbler, you're wrong on this issue. Illegal is illegal, and illegal means we stop the illegal act. The illegal act is crossing the border. Countering that illegal act is through the use of a fence and/or gun. Frankly, if a person is committing an illegal act in this country, and the police yell stop, and the person continues to run -- they get shot. It's as simple as that. The same should hold true to anyone crossing into this country, from any border. Since people like yourself find that appalling, I'll settle for the wall for now, until Mexico groes up and starts accepting responsibility for their own people, and stops pushing them onto us.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

oh well, you're all heart

Sure, Mr Bishop. Nothing like the simplistic answer. It harks back to the 1800s, and "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." And you seem to idolize the law? The law back then was simple too. If a slave escapes, get the bloodhounds. Catch his @ss, clap him in irons. Next slave auction, sell the SOB. His wife and kids too. Just peachy for the white guys. They always obeyed the law. And they loved to read the Bible, too.

Tumbler--said it before

Tumbler--said it before--you are really really sick. Get Help!!!!!

must be outta meds again

must be outta meds again

Hello misterbill.

Good afternoon, sir.

For the last couple of months, I have been wracking my brain trying to remember who tumbler reminded my of.

I finally remembered.

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.

composite

Fumbler is the Bad AND the Ugly rolled in one. I got home last night from a few days vacation--peeked in at NB before bed and see the same slimeballs saying the same bad things about America, the fence, the war, the President, the administration. 5 days of rest, but my temper tripped quicker than it did before the rest.

But--why be all negative-- I also saw the same ggod guys and girls arguing the same good arguments against the slimeballs. God bless America.

MISTERBILL 

PRO-----Fence, Iraq, Israel, Nat'l sales tax, military, conservative,

ANTI    - liberal, secular-progressive, troop withdrawal, Pelosi, Dems in general,

               illegal immigration, ACLU, ACLU, ACLU, ACLU

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott

IMHO, one of the main reason

IMHO, one of the main reasons the Republicans lost the last election was over illegal immigration, the other is over spending// earmarks. I believe that corruption and the war were not as big as the MSM played it up to be. It might have made a difference in some of the really tight races like in Va. but for the most part the Republican base was pissed off. Every time the RNC would send me a letter to send money I would send it back with: Build the Fence first, then ask me for money! Then the fools would send me a pole asking me what were the issues?? I would fill out the pole, with: build the fence, then later they would send me a letter asking for money!!?? OMG! Bush working with Kennedy and Mc Cain to shaft the hell out of us. The frustrating part is I, as well as a lot of other people on here gave money and time to Bush. Not for big spending, this new tone BS, (you see the Democ rats new tone), our borders wide open, with nice new entitlements for my kids to pay for.

FROM NOW ON FOR ME: NO MORE RINOS
NO MORE COUNTRY CLUB REPUBLICANS

America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower

usa4 agreed---

usa4    agreed---I am pleased with my congressman and my Senators. Life is not perfect, but they are doing mostly what conservatives want. Sen Isakson did a photo-op as he welded part of the fence on the border. They are not RINOs. They are conservative Republicans.

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott

I want one of these.Reduce th

I want one of these.

Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint.  Send Rosie to Iran.  Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007

I'll see your F-22, and raise

I'll see your F-22, and raise some toys for it to play with!

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Isn't that thing so sweet!? 

Isn't that thing so sweet!?  We had one come to Seymour about a month ago.  I love that bird.

Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint.  Send Rosie to Iran.  Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007

Last summer was "Thunder

Last summer was "Thunder on the Beach", in AC, hoping to go to McGuire, next month.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Man I got found memories of N

Man I got found memories of NJ when I was at Ft Dix for Airbase Ground Defense.  We learned in 4 weeks what it took the Army 8 (Sorry BD) but man it was colder than a well digger’s behind in the Yukon there.

We have an Air Show in May with the Blue Angles coming in.  Can't Wait.

Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint.  Send Rosie to Iran.  Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007

Couldn't have been cold - GW

Couldn't have been cold - GW don't 'ya know. - the AC show, last summer had the Blue Angles AND the Thunderbirds -

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Hey Ed,We have the Ft. Lauder

Hey Ed,

We have the Ft. Lauderdale Air & Sea Show coming up in May as well.

This year is the Blues....they rotate with the Thunderbirds every year. 

I think my favorite is still the B-52 though, and oh how I miss the Tomcats.

It's great...I've been going every year for twelve years....first couple of years we did girls day out on the boat, but I got tired of fighting the idiots on the water for a decent anchorage (and drunks on boats are dangerous!).

I like mine low and slow - P-

I like mine low and slow - P-38, P-51, A-10, but I agree with the BUFF - says something about being old and experience!

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Malkin

Michelle Malkin has a very funny post on her blog about how the far left kooks (is that a redundant term?) were totally duped by a bogus Karl Rove photograph.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007246.htm

Good one, Peter, Funniest is the outraged squalling

Good one, Peter.  Funniest is the outraged squalling of the blogsites when they realized that they had been snookered.  I'd say they're a little sensitive that their own "conspiracy" fantasies were used against them. 

Rove

I just love their perception that Rove equals all things bad in their view.  Cloudy day? Karl Rove. Lose an election? Karl Rove. Lose your NCAA tournament pool?  Karl Rove.

Man, I hate Chaka! He killed

Man, I hate Chaka! He killed Land of the Lost with his incessant whining, ambivalence and disregard for the rules that Rick Marshall would lay down!

"Chaka, stay in the cave while the brontosaurus is roaming outside!"

"Chaka! Dammit Chaka! Get back in here!"

Like a dog that just won't sit!

Peter D...This is too funny!W

Peter D...

This is too funny!

What laughs for a day on this site...I have had a blast!

Thanks all!

Time Hit Piece On Army Readiness Take Two

I just posted this at the last open thread. Here's take #2.

I found the latest, wondrous article done by Time to be yet another misrepresentative, hit piece of the problems that currently plague the Army as well as other branches of the military...

Here it is....http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1606888,00.html. Not used to doing the whole hyperlink thingy so this is the best I can do. If anyone can show me a better way I'm all for it. Or, you can go to Drudge for yourself.

My response to the article: as a military spouse, I found the article not only reprehensible but full of lies and misleading statements. For example, one solution that Time thinks should be applied to cover the Army's lack of "armour" and other necessities is by raiding the tech budgets of both the Navy and the Air Force. The only problem with this is that, especially with the Air Force, it has very aged equipment that's at least 30-40 years old. It already is cutting 40,000 people from it's manning rolls to affort buying new F-22's and F-35's. They also need to replace tankers with newer versions.

I feel like anytime a major MSM reports on the military they get it wrong. Is the Army broken? No. Does it face problems and challenges? Yes. Whose fault is it that our military isn't as prepared as it should be...presently, Pres. Bush (I) and Clinton who downsized the military after the Cold War ended and the American people. The Federal government and the American people aren't willing to pay for a more substantial military force or adjust to changing circumstances around the world. Part of the conundrum is military culture part of it is voter/politician apathy and lack of support/priorities.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

I would suggest you read Wins

I would suggest you read Winslow T. Wheeler's "Mr. Smith is Dead; No One Stands in the Way As Congress Laces Post-Sept. 11 Defense Bills with Pork."  The problem is not a lack of money or the lack of a willingness to spend money.  The problems is a lack of logic in how our tax dollars are spent.

As Mr. Wheeler proves, the Republican-led Congress squandered millions by hiding the pork in the Defense appropriation bills starting immediately after September 11th.  And remember - President Bush has never vetoed a spending bill.  N-E-V-E-R.

Actually, YOUR problem is tha

Actually, YOUR problem is that we DIDN'T begin the systematic extermination of Hyper-Evil Rich Leeches and expropriation of their money after 11 Spetember 2001.

Let's face it, frank...until the day this country becomes a whiny Socialist Nanny State modeled after such rotting failures as France, you will always passionately, intensely, deeply hate the United States.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Am I the only one to think pa

Am I the only one to think paloony's pic on Drudge makes her look like she's "Bogarting a joint?"

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Also on Drudge:"Jimmy

Also on Drudge:

"Jimmy Carter backs trip."

That's all I had to read to be convinced this is treason.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

You got that right MM!I misse

You got that right MM!

I missed that on Drudge...just scanned it...glad you posted that, Carter backing anything is enough to know it's bad for the USA!

I wished he would just back on out of this country and stay anywhere other than here.

as if jimmy were important

Lou Rukeyser said it well once,

Jimmy Carter's idea of foreign policy is, "Speak softly and carry a big peanut."

See, taking your meds is go

See, taking your meds is good advice. :-0

Jimmy Carter is a peanut!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I like my meds.

My loverly wife tries to make me keep my meds at a moderate level. Dago Red by the tumbler-full.

Keep listening to her, you

Keep listening to her, you sound uncharacteristiclly lucid today, we'll see how long that lasts...

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

lucid, mouthie?

Come on, mm-- It's because your pal is lucid every single day the bluster brigade here is always in a tizzy. Did you see all the net balls they hit yesterday against Tumbler? I kept the ball in their court very easily; lucid and on the mark.

I'll have that piece of cake with my meds now.

April 5, 2007 - 12:41 to Ap

April 5, 2007 - 12:41 to April 5, 2007 - 13:02

wow 21 minutes, I believe thats a new record! :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM...You ever notice how easy

MM...

You ever notice how easy it is to call out tumbler? It's actually a little creepy if you ask me, it's as if he lurks 24-7 waiting for the chance to come to the aid of his beloved illegals.

La Raza must have given him a raise!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.