BBC reporter says "WTC 7 has collapsed" BEFORE IT COLLAPSED

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Huge breaking news. A reporter from the BBC is reporting in NYC on 9/11. They are talking about the "Saloman Brothers building", aka WTC 7. They are reporting that the building has also collapsed along with the Twin Towers. It is estimated that this was reported roughly 23 minutes before the building actually did fall. For those of you saying, "well, duh, isn't this report AFTER the building fell?" NO! THE BUILDING IS STILL STANDING IN THE BACKGROUND! HAHAH! The BBC screwed up BIGTIME!

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9/11 was an inside job! What do you people have to see to realize that!

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How many people do you thin

How many people do you think it would take to install explosives all over the WTC?

Now how long would it take those people to install said explosives and wiring?

Now ask yourself how many people/workers/inspectors may have identified the explosive materials or otherwise questioned the materials that were being installed over the minimum of several months it would have taken?

How come nobody has come forward to say they were involved?--or know someone that was involved? You would think somebody would be dying to blow the whistle.

Ever been at the scene of a disaster? It's chaos...rumors abound, claims are made, truth is uncertain...reality paints a completely different picture once the dust settles and truth begins to come to light.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

Gene, unfortunately we're dea

Gene, unfortunately we're dealing with pure unadulterated asshattery here of which the playing field doesn't dictate common sense and the only reply is more links to anti-Semitic anti-US sites.  This person along with the other Truthers are paddleing chickenwire canoes and are about as useful as football bats.  The same government in which they believe is all screwed up and can't do anything right is the same one in which they magically believe pulled this off without a hitch.  As always, my suggestion to them is to take off the spock ears, step away from the computer in their mom's basement and attempt to find a girlfriend/boyfriend whose name doesn't end in .com or .jpg.

"Stupid should hurt"

Sua, I love your 'chickenwire canoes' analogy. ACA

Sua, I love your 'chickenwire canoes' analogy.  ACA

I'd like to introduce 'truth' to my old Top Sergeant's 'favorite hole' in the ground.

ACA

...

Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Thanks AC, and darn it, it ju

Thanks AC, and darn it, it just fits sooo well with these types.  They will paddle that damn thing for all it's worth.

"Stupid should hurt"

weren't the building closed

weren't the building closed down a day or two before this happened, and everyone was sent home?

TP, here's something our gove

TP, here's something our government has known about for many many years and are keeping it quiet, surprised you haven't been touting this.

Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there.

 

Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.

 

Dihydrogen monoxide:

 

· is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.

· contributes to the "greenhouse effect."

· may cause severe burns.

· contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.

· accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.

· may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.

· has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

 

Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!

 

Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.

 

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

 

· as an industrial solvent and coolant.

· in nuclear power plants.

· in the production of styrofoam.

· as a fire retardant.

· in many forms of cruel animal research.

· in the distribution of pesticides.

· as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

 

Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.

 

Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!

 

The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

I saw an episode of Future

I saw an episode of Future Weapons on the Discovery Channel where they currently use DHMO to detonate terrorist bombs.

You're right it's pretty lethal stuff.

Gun Safety Tip #8: No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey. (www.imao.us)

I COULD believe that 9/11/01

I COULD believe that 9/11/01 was an inside job, if some basic, simple questions could be sufficiently answered, or at least considered:

If some conspiracy brought down the WTC towers, and you have proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, you can answer these questions:

1) How much explosive material was used to bring down the towers?

2) How was it placed in the building?

3) How much was used in what locations?

4) How long did this process take?

5) How many people were involved in that effort?

6) Where were they procured from? (That big an order for explosives had to attract attention and could not escape notice...)

7) Where were they stored before being staged (set up for application)?

8) Where did the staging take place?

9) How were those staged explosives transported to the towers and when?

10) What steps were taken to ensure no one noticed what was going on?

11) How were these explosives transported to the storage location?

12) How many transportation assets were used to accomplish this?

13) What modes of transport were used in all cases transport was needed?

14) Who handled these transportation arrangements?

15) You have to get clearances to transport these explosives no matter what mode is being used. Who secured them and with whom?

16) How long did it take to execute the planning for this operation?

17) When was the green light given for the go-ahead?

18) How long did it take to procure, store, stage, and deploy the explosives?

19) What steps were taken to ensure secrecy?

20) How on earth could you hide ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY from innocent onlookers, observers and passers-by at all stages of the conspiracy? 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

The government doesn't even k

The government doesn't even know that much about the official story.

If this were some ballyhooed

If this were some ballyhooed conspiracy, ALL of those questions can be EASILY answered.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I did the 9-11 job! I admit i

I did the 9-11 job! I admit it. I'm the one that set all the explosives and blew it all up. Here's how I did it. (I can say this because I'm still anonymous on this thread and no one can trace this alias to my real identiy here on my own private island I bought with all the money I made)

to answer all you wacko's out there who think it was an inside job, here's how I did it.

I posed as a fire inspector. I went around every floor to do the yearly inspection on all the fire extinguishers. I take a few saying they need to be re-charged, fill them with high explosives from the military (how else would I get it- duh! but I won't tell you WHOSE military!) then take them back. It only took me a month. I didn't have to do any wiring. Modern technology let me do it all with nice cute little wireless remotes like this one:

http://www.theatrefx.com/store/commerce.cgi?product=wizard_fire

That way the explosives were all around the buildings, on every floor, in plain sight, no wires, no one thought anything of it. There, I've said it. now give it a rest will ya?

I see that everyone jumpe

I see that everyone jumped to attack the messenger on this one. Did you watch the video? 20 minutes before wtc7 collapsed, the reporter and the anchor both say that it has collapsed. While this is being said, with a live stamp in the corner, wtc7 is standing in the background. Then they lose her feed, when they go back to that shot, the building is gone and they report on it again. (You can watch everything on the Internet Archive if you are wondering about funny editing)

Now dance around that all you want, but before you do, go watch the building COLLAPSE. The video is only 9 seconds, and you need it all to see the collapse.

Another strange fact in this story: It has been reported that when Larry Silverstein said he decided to "pull it," it meant pull the firemen and everyone out. If you stand by that, then you have to reason that no one was in the building, meaning no rescue effort was necessary. In that case, wouldn't they want to investigate the collapse instead of removing debris quickly?

I'll be here drinking my kool-aid while you wrap your head around a witty response...

P.S. After this video came to light, the BBC posted this, claiming that they have lost their 9/11 tapes, so they, unfortunately, cannot clear anything up for us.  And they apperently don't have the time to watch a short clip on YouTube.

Have you read City In The Sky

Have you read City In The Sky

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Come on now, Unsane. Serio

Come on now, Unsane. Seriously, watch the reporter, watch the collapse, use your critical thinking skills, and then come back and reply.

Try answering my questions fi

Try answering my questions first...

How did the WTC towers collapse? Two 767s flown into buildings 1 and 2, which started catastrophic fires that did not stop until 18 December 2001.  The End. 

Sometimes it sucks to be a realist, or, as a close friend described me, "the ultimate realist".

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

So, you refuse to watch the

So, you refuse to watch the videos? I just want to be clear.

And you already answered your question for me, now address mine about WTC7, not WTC1 and 2.

The reporters were probably just wrong, WhichWay

WhichWay, I'm not going to get into this arcane discussion because to take it seriously you have to be either very young (the young love conspiracy theories), older but still immature, or just out and out nutty.

My comment is this: action "news" reports notoriously have a high percentage of innacuracy.  It's not unlikely that the reporter and the anchor, caught up in the emotion of the moment were just wrong.   BBC is reluctant to admit even their proven mistakes in reporting incidents in the middle east.  It's doubtful that they would be any more willing to admit this error.

That's it.  I'm done.  Rave on.

So that's your explanation

So that's your explanation of an anchor leading into a story with the line "And now more about another collapsED building" and then a reporter saying that the "Salomon Brothers building HAS collapsed" and all the while the building IS IN THE PICTURE?? Or did you even watch the report? Or the video of the collapse, which took place 20 minutes AFTER the report?

Why are you willing to jump to conclusions before looking at the evidence I've provided? Why are you and Unsane so afraid to watch these clips and address their contents??

Disprove them, please. No one on this thread has answered to the evidence, why do you think that is?

WATCH and THEN reply. Its not a tough formula.

You're starting to make sense, WhichWay

OMIGOD, WHICHWAY, I WATCHED THE VIDEO AND I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!  YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY AND OUR GOVERNMENT WAS REPSONSIBLE FOR BLOWING UP THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS AND ALL THE BUILDINGS AROUND THEM.  HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THE CONNECTION OF THE MAN WITH THE CIGARETTE?   I'M SURE HE'S INVOLVED SOMEHOW, PLEASE CHECK.

OH, LORD, WON'T YOU BUY ME A COLOR TV?  DIALING FOR DOLLARS IS TRYING TO FIND ME.  I'LL WAIT FOR DELIVERY EACH DAY UNTIL THREE, OH LORD WON'T YOU BUY ME A COLOR TV?  OOPS, SORRY.  I WAS CHANNELING JANIS JOPLIN THERE FOR A MINUTE....WHERE WERE WE?  OH, RIGHT....ANYWAY CHECK INTO THAT CIGARETTE MAN, WHICHWAY.  I JUST KNOW HE'S PART OF IT.....

 

Thank you Janis Joplin!

Thank you Janis Joplin!

hee hee

"hee hee ...that's it!" -Janis

Wing, You must be new here.

Wing, You must be new here.

Talking reasonably with these people is like trying to have an intelligible conversation with george bush: you can't. Unsane is particularly good at skipping over any evidence and asking blindly those same questions, the ones he posted above, all the while maybe or maybe not realizing that only the people who committed the crime could answer. (I hope he realizes that for his sake)

Not only is the evidence for WTC 7 so blatanly obvious that it was demolished, but trying to argue this fact will only make you realize that it was an inside job. Thus, they don't argue. They attack the messenger and go back to hating islamofascists and those arabs who "committed" this crime. O'reilly does this as well as Hannity. I think they're taking lessons from them...which is OBVIOUSLY a mistake ....

Oh yea, have you seen the video of WTC 7 on fire before either tower fell? I'll make a new post about it, check it out...

ThoughtPolice...Hey, you guys

ThoughtPolice...

Hey, you guys still holding Big Foot hostage in your spaceship?

Just wondering!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Thought Police

Thought Police if I may affectionately nickname you TP. Well, you know what I use TP for. Tata!

I beg your pardon, TP

I beg your pardon, TP (love the initials), I consider myself to be extremely "intelligible."  But here's a question for you:  if you don't consider usn's to be intelligible, why do you keep coming back, me bucko?    ;^>

Unsane just likes to critical

Unsane just likes to critically think; if WhichWing and TP were SO right, they can address my simple questions with EASE.  Instead, they'd rather prove me right by throwing temper tantrums on the board. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I think you suffer from a c

RJ, I think you suffer from a common disorder among people who can't refute a legitimate piece of evidence. I call it "sticky caps lock." If you don't want to address what has been posted, then why respond at all?

I also forgot to mention that

I also forgot to mention that you married your first cousin...

Dang...Which Wing...

I just can't seem to keep my mouth shut!!

See what you get for telling me you deepest secrets?

More to come...

The soap opera continues....

Bob and weave.

Bob and weave.

"legitimate?"

"legitimate?"  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Oops, sorry....those darn sticky cap keys....heeheehee (is that better?)

Kneel and bob.  Oops. 

Kneel and bob.  Oops.  Bob and weave.

Really? Where are your answer

Really? Where are your answers to all 20 questions I have?  They apply to WTC7 as easily as they do to 1 and 2.

Why should I watch a video that eminates from a source I cannt evaluate?  At least I can evaluate the book I recommended you read.  I do not visit sources that I cannot evaluate.  In fact, the number of links I have checked while at NB are extremely low; the Internet is NOT 100% trustworthy as you seem to believe. 

Hell, do you even know what "source evaluation" IS?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

So now we can't even trust

So now we can't even trust the BBC? Are you implying that a fake video has been posted. I did provide a couple different places that it could be viewed.

I also don't understand why you would enter this post about WTC7 and demand answers to your questions before you address those that were asked.

Let's make a deal, you address the contents that started this thread, and I'll do my best to address your questions. Honestly, no ploy here.

And I would again like to point out, that still, no one has answered to the contents of the original post. Bob and weave I guess, gotta be good at something.

WTC7 conspiracy debunked

You want answers? Here you go, quite a few pages in this acclaimed mythbusting. Let's see if you really want the truth.

D


A day without NewsBusters is like a day without sunshine.

I'll offer you the same deal

I'll offer you the same deal I offered Unsane, address the contents of this post, then I'll look at yours. This video only came to light a little over a month ago, so we'll have to wait for Popular Mechanics to debunk it for you.

On a side note, isn't it interesting that Popular Mechanics spent more time investigating 9/11 than the US Government did? Or that the gov't spent more money on the Monica/Bill fiasco than they did investigating 9/11? Also spent more on the Columbia Shuttle disaster investigation.

No, not really whichwing

No, not really whichwing. The government knew and determined the cause rather easily.

 Popular Mechanics spent time debunking you people, and all your numerous crazy ideas, something the government doesn't want to waste tax dollars doing,or probably more correctly is too embarrassed to have sane government servants going on a wild goose chase for a small portion of our populace that suffers mental illness.

 Half the government spent time investigating Monica because it was a political fight, and as you see (and do) that's 24/7/365 spare no expense.

 The government spent time investigating the C. shuttle because there was only one left and it had to attempt to prevent a similar future disaster. So, isn't it strange that the government has spent a lot more time and money trying to prevent a 911 future disaster(called WOT - dummy) ? No, it's not strange at all, but it is strange that you ask the wrong question with the wrong ideas in mind.

 Got any other stupidity you want to spew ? This is fun proving how stupid you are.

You are an impressive speci

You are an impressive specimen. "Dummy."

Source evaluation

Instead of trying to order me around, why don't you try to figure out what "source evaluation" means? 

Unlike you I really don't trust the Internet blindly.  It keeps me out of trouble and keeps me from embarrassing myself. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I don't see how "let's

I don't see how "let's make a deal" could mean that I'm ordering you around. And you keeping talking about the source, which is the BBC. Am I missing something about the BBC? Are they not a trustworthy news source?

If you don't trust having to watch the clip at YouTube, and can go to Archive.org. They have a collection, from the TelevisionArchive.org, of just about every minute of news coverage from Sept. 11th, 12th and 13th; with coverage from ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN, FOX and NBC. It is arranged by network and time, mostly in 41 minute blocks. The clip is from BBC at 4:54 pm on Sept. 11.

I'm not asking you to trust anything blindly, I'm asking you to watch a video from reputable sources and comment on it.

The unquestionable BBC

So, if the BBC tells you...ANYTHING, it MUST be true, because it is from the BBC?

Here is a lesson in history. Back in 1986, shortly after the Soviets were more or less forced to admit that the nuclear accident in Chernobyl ocurred, a video surfaced shortly thereafter that reportedly showed the reactor burning.

Well, as it turns out, a short time later, the video was proven a fraud, and was shown to depict not Chernobyl but rather a fire at an Italian cement plant.  

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Did the video look fake to

Did the video look fake to you? Are you claiming the video is a fake? Have you even watched the video yet? Have you been arguing for a week without even seeing the video? Are you laughing off the 9/11 conspiracy while promoting your own BBC conspiracy? Or are you just trying to muddy the waters so you don't have to acknowledge the video?

No that is not what he said,

No that is not what he said, the BBC is notorious for flagrant lapses in their reporting and then not correcting them different speech laws help them a lot

The hottest places in hell are oft reserved for those who in times of moral crisis remain neutral

So what is the final stance

So what is the final stance on this video? We are running out of messengers to attack.

WhichW

WhichWing, I watched the video and it proves nothing.....except that naive and gullible people will believe anything. BFD!!!! BFD!!!!!

I used to think that rhayes was the dumbest NB poster~ then along came BillAdkins

The only thing I believe ba

The only thing I believe based on this video is that that report stated that the building had already collapsed while it was still standing behind her. Now that could lead to other somewhat logical thoughts, but you'd first have to admit the contents of the video are real.

I will say, this is one of the best dance contests I've ever seen.

Think dummy whichwing

Think dummy whichwing,the BBC probably wants the fools who have their footage - to send it to them, so they can sue them. Theconvenient way of making that occur is by claiming their footage is cocked up.

 You think it's their way of covering up - but I think it's their way of luring idiots into their trap - and they won't have to jump the pond till they have the goods. 

 I guess Alex Jones and prison planet never did cough it up to them. Alex is probably smarter than you, since he has who knows how many credit card dollars from your lenders,for those screaming nutcase videos you collect.

LOL

You are amusing to me. I m

You are amusing to me. I mean, I haven't been called "dummy" since my sister called me that in 3rd grade. I think you should understand that the implication is not that the BBC was in on anything. The implication is that someone who was, released a report to the BBC a little too early.

And to your final, and may I say brilliant, statement, the "screaming nutcase video" came from the BBC, which I thought was a reputable source, until you all set me straight.

Why, If It Is On The BBC, It

Why, If It Is On The BBC, It MUST Be TRUE!!!

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

1 The truth is not an attack.

1 The truth is not an attack.                                                                                         2 did it ever occur to you that the BBC might have been told that the building had been damaged and would likely fall and thenreported that it had by mistake?                                                                                

The hottest places in hell are oft reserved for those who in times of moral crisis remain neutral

James,http://www.youtube.com/

James,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9LWdzuyahI

the only shot of  wt7 from wtc tower side, check out the HUGE GOUGES. only a second of the view on the tower side, smoke and all.

OH, LORD WON'T YOU BUY ME A M

OH, LORD WON'T YOU BUY ME A MERCEDES BENZ?

MY FRIENDS ALL DRIVE PORCHES, I MUST MAKE AMENDS

WORKED HARD ALL MY LIFETIME, NO HELP FROM MY FRIENDS

OH, LORD, WON'T YOU BUY ME A MERCES BENZ?

(Am I too early?  Isn't this the Janis Joplin psychic hour?)

What part of "I won't wa

What part of "I won't watch videos from sources that I cannot evaluate" do you NOT understand?  Why do you go out of your way to NOT understand that I won't automatically believe something just because It Is On The Internet? 

I don't even click on 99% of the links I see on this board, just because of my lack of ability to properly evaluate the source. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

You are so full of it, its

You are so full of it, its probably starting to tickle the back of your eyeballs. Why did you bother to join in this conversation if you weren't able/capable/willing to look at what was being talked about?

Because this video upon which

Because this video upon which you hinge everything in your life is the basis for a tired conspiracy theory that can be exposed for what it is by just answering the 20 questions I have listed above.  Note the last two sentences in the post that began this whole thing. 

Learn to evaluate sources, critically think...and learn to NOT trust everything on the Internet.  Doing the above steps will keep you from embarrassing yourself at the minimum.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

"Yadda yadda yadda, I

"Yadda yadda yadda, I will not look at the clip, but I will insult you and your intelligence. I will give you advice and then insult you again."

If you don't want to discuss this subject, just go away. If you are willing to look at this video clip, and offer an opinion, I'd be glad to hear it. But if you want to yammer on and on about "evaluating sources," then we have nothing more to discuss.

I realize you are deeply anno

I realize you are deeply annoyed at my discussing the subject because your life won't be complete until we can prove that 9/11/01 was an evil government conspiracy, but I am in fact discussing the subject.  I'm just doing it in a way you do not want to deal with, for it will pour cold water all over your parade.

I'm not going away anytime soon, I'm afraid.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Yes, Unsane, ignorance is b

Yes, Unsane, ignorance is bliss. You must be ecstatic!

Well, hello there, my little

Well, hello there, my little Socialist, do YOU believe this was some sort of ballyhooed conspiracy as well?

If you truly believe that, I then direct you to the same 20 questions the conspiracy loons all seem to run away from like Dracula running from the cross.  You will find them on the same page.

As for ignorance, I leave that to the Socialists like yourself who believe government should be a gigantic United Way. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Keep this in mind too, folks.

Keep this in mind too, folks. The government gave you the official conspiracy story within 24 hours of 9/11. Its amazing what 5 years of research will turn up.

Which Wing...I made a mistake

Which Wing...

I made a mistake earlier...I just said the village idiot...correction here folks...

World idiot!

I just can't seem to keep a secret...

Btw...he is related to TP!

Possibly razey too!...

Heck...throw in lillie-pad for the fun of it!

I know you are trying to thro

I know you are trying to throw stones, but my ISP does not allow me to accept them. I have asked them politely to fix this on numerous occasions, but to no avail.

Yeah whichwing

Yeah whichwing, 24hours is about right, since they had how many warnings ? Didn't you come here and scream about the PDB Bush "should have read and acted upon" ?

Well, it's not too difficult after the fact, 19 muzzie names on the airline flight list, telephone calls from the Penn.plane. That sews it up right there.

 Heck , I could have announced in 3 or 4 hours, wouldn't have taken me 24 hours.

How many warnings did they

How many warnings did they have? If they had so many warnings, why were they so unprepared? A warning is not to be used to come up with a theory after an attack, its to be used to prevent an attack, or at least be prepared when an attack comes. Neither of which was done.

Why don't you go ahead and post the link where you can see the "muzzie" names on an airline flight list? The lists released by the airlines contained no "muzzie" names at all.

And in answer to your question, no, I have never mentioned the PDB.

I also think your hatred and racism is sickening. All your posts are endless dribble, full of name-calling, and lacking in substance.

thanks WhichWay

"your posts are full of endless dribble....lacking in substance...."

hahahachucklehaha!     

Coming from you, WhichWay, that's really funny.  Thanks for the morning chuckle on April Fools Day!

You gave me a chuckle too.

You gave me a chuckle too. I come on here and attempt to answer every post directed towards me, and all you are capable of doing is chiming in with an insult once a week. I look forward to next weeks comment.

April Fool, WhichWay...and May...and June...and

hahaha.   April Fools Day is a great day to read your funny attempts to appear rational, WhichWay. 

That was quick, you taking

That was quick, you taking next week off?

always wings it

I suspect your ISP keeps common sense out of your fruit bowl as well.

Its amazing what 5 years of

Its amazing what 5 years of research (sic) will turn up.

Yeah. Creeps like you. And the c++t* who runs this thread.

*Please note that my apt and relevant usage of the Anglo-Saxon (if somewhat edited) epithet is solely my own decision and in no way involves the management. Thank you.

The answer is socialism. But only if the question is:

"What's the fastest way to impoverish, enslave and destroy people?"

I'm sure your friends appreci

I'm sure your friends appreciate you coming in to help avoid the question. You should all get together and have a dance party.

LOL 5 years of research

LOL 5 years of research yields a BBC reporter from overseas not knowing which building is the Salomon building...LOL

 5 freakin'years of research, and this is the result.

 Yep, you boys oughta have this case cracked by 2755 AD.

It's even more amazing what a

It's even more amazing what a little imagination and a lot of spare time can accomplish as well.

My twenty questions are just waiting for some 9/11/01 conspiracy theorist to answer them...

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I'd answer them if it was

I'd answer them if it wasn't for these two reasons:

1.) You wouldn't take me up on the deal I offered you.

2.) I'd have to click a bunch of links that I can't evaluate.

Sad to see that you are so de

Sad to see that you are so dependent on the Internet to do everything that you cannot even apply common sense, which is ALL that is required to answer many of my questions. 

I don't do deals with Leftist posters; they tend to wind up as one-sided as the SALT treaties of old, and favoring the Leftist. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

As I said before, you addre

As I said before, you address the subject that started this thread and then I'll do what I can to answer your 20 questions, but no until then.

Or you can go on whining about sources, internet, leftists and treaties.

I know that, being the good L

I know that, being the good Leftist that you are, you think you can bark orders at me on here, but you will fail every time. 

What you perceive as "whining" are in fact legitimate concerns...but to you, it is whining, because you so desperately want 9/11/01 to be some sort of government conspiracy.  It is too bad that WANTING it to be so does NOT make it so.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Question for Deranged Lunatics

Thought Police.......or any other similar deranged lunatic will do -

So the question seems to be; was "911 an inside job"? 

Please answer my one simple little question and I won't take up any more of your time.

Who would you have us give the credit to, for snuffing out the 3000+ "little Eichmans" on 911?

Ward Churchill seemed to think it was the terrorists but you seem to imply it was the US government.

So who snuffed out the 3000+ "little Eichmans"?  The outsiders (terrorists) or the insiders (US government)?

And if it's not asking too much - just a short follow-up.  Are we supposed to be happy about the dead "little Eichmans" or not?  I mean, the thought did occur to me that getting rid of "little Eichmans" would be a good thing to the left, so why do you want to give credit to the US government for doing a good thing?  Wouldn't that be kind of counter-productive -  much like your conspiracy theory?

Hello

Hello.  No takers?  Was 2 and a half hours not enough time to get the talking points; re my question?  Tip - You could try and put your own thought together instead of waiting for the next video to find a response - or better yet, ask Rosie.   I'll check back in with you tomorrow. 

Wow, I'm sorry that I could

Wow, I'm sorry that I couldn't respond to your post in a timely manner, but 12 hour shifts make it difficult to get on the pc every 2 hours.

This thread is over a month old, and no one has offered a legitimate explanation as to why the BBC could report a collapsed building 20 minutes before it collapsed. You can say "well, they knew it was in danger of collapsing," but the BBC just aired a 9/11 documentary in February that said the collapse was unexpected. So which is it? Then you can say "well, they made a mistake, so what if they didn't know which building it was?" But its right outside the window she is reporting from! Who goes on international television with a report before checking out what they are saying, especially when all you have to do is TURN AROUND.

You all want to change the subject and rant on and on and on and on, but no one wants to address the topic at hand. This thread has been a sad display of conservatives dodging the issue.

I will not answer questions raised by any of you until you answer my own.

I await further insult.

Stop, WhichWay, you're killing me!

hahalolhaha!  Stop, WhichWay!  You're killing me here! 

Reading the posts of an obvious nutjob who is attempting to pose as a calm rational person is the best comedy on this board! 

Perhaps you could get a pet

Perhaps you could get a pet or something to play with, the adults are trying talk here.

Nah, you're too much fun.

Nah, you're too much fun. Sometimes I'm in the mood for slapstick comedy. ;^>

RJ...You have to admit it is

RJ...

You have to admit it is more fun playing with them instead of treating them like a grown-up. Grown-ups usually don't fall for all the conspiracy clap trap.

This is the same group of folks that have Big Foot hidden on a UFO far out in space.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

I agree CT

I agree CT.  That is why I was such a fan of Seinfeld humor.  Much like this conspiracy, it was all about nothing.

adult convo

Play with this... islamic terrorists hate you and want to destroy your country and kill you and all your children. Buildings fell, thousands died, the world's economy shook, muslims the world over gleefully cheered.

Now maybe the adults will have something meaningful to discuss.

Actually "Pragmatic&qu

Actually "Pragmatic" Man, it was 5 cheering israelis...

http://www.whatreall...

Please read, become informed, and stop believing the propaganda that your neo-cons have so meticulously thought out for you...

Once again, TP uses moonbat site as "source"

Your link is to a site that advertises tee shirts such as the one that says:  "I survived the Bush Administration...my son the Marine did not"

TP (love the initials) you're just as offensive and just as insane as the sites you promote.

Clearly, you're on the side of the terrorists.

CNN informed me on 9/11, the day of...

Where were you on 9/11 and days after? I was watching CNN and Fox intently as they covered joyous chanting crowd of muslims in the mideast, celebrating the deaths of 3000 American civilians. So yes, I am informed, with my own eyes, the day of. OR I suppose those were really Jews with headscarves and towels on their heads, chanting "death to the Zionists, death to America". You should watch more news. Become informed. Stop believing the conspiracies unfounded and frankly stupid. And us neo-cons are still proud to defend even your sorry butt against the islamic terrorists. Would you ever defend me against anything?

It's really funny you are p

It's really funny you are promoting watching the main stream media to become informed... isn't the whole point here to discredit the media?

Did you lose your program?

You call us ignorant, but yet

You call us ignorant, but yet you yourself don't understand (or more accurately, want to understand) what media criticism is.

I read The Economist, even though in some regards it is quite Left-wing.  But since it parades its biases for the whole world to see, I have no problem reading it.  Besides, it is just about the only place in the world where I will find out information on events well outside the United States.  Why should I watch CNN OR Fox, only to find out the VERY latest on the Anna Nicole Smith saga?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

witchwing

I want to be as silly as you are with your confounded conspiracy theory. So here goes. When it's 8AM on the East Coast, it's 1 PM in England--DUH SO it was really 4 1/2 hours after it happened . Every bit as foolish as your question which is posed in insane seriousness.

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott

Yea, thanks for the brief les

Yea, thanks for the brief lesson in time zones, but that was accounted for. If you had watched the clip, which seems way too tough for any of you to do, you would see her saying that it HAD COLLAPSED while it was standing behind her. Got a response for that, ma'am?

Wow. A BBC reporter messed up.

Wow. A BBC reporter messed up.

Reporters were saying that One Liberty Plaza was in danger of collapse as well. Did it? Do you recall that?

I had never heard of "On

I had never heard of "One Liberty Plaza" until your post, honestly.  After a quick read I see that it was feared that it would collapse after 9/11, but did not.  Was it reported that it might collapse?  Or did collapse?  (And if so, were these reports on 9/11, or in days following?)

On 9/11, *and* the days fol

On 9/11, *and* the days following, it was reported the building might collapse.

It didn't.  Some said it was panic, some an optical illusion.  If you look up at the building from the park accross the street, it sometimes looks funny(odd), othertimes it looks fine, so who knows what cause the screwup.

Once the windows were fixed, and the inside was cleaned up, people moved back into their offices.

Does it surprise you that a reporter screwed up? Not that I have a very high opinion of the BBC anyway . . .

Confusion

Isn't it possible that in the midst of a huge, complicated, and rapidly changing breaking news event like 9/11, a reporter might make a mistake and say something that isn't accurate?  Anyone who watched the coverage that day knows it's true.  There were lots of unsubstantiated "facts" reported all day long.

In fact, a blog entry on the BBC's website posits the same reasoning.

IMHO, the conspiracy theorists are trying to build a conspiracy out of a simple mistake

I would see that as a reaso

I would see that as a reasonable explanation, but in order to check the fact that they reported, all they had to do was turn around and look out the window.

That site you linked also says that they've lost their tapes from that day. It was a fairly eventful day, in my opinion anyway, and seemed like something that you should save.

The BBC could probably end all this by stating who gave them a report that the building had collapsed. Or it could prolong it, depending who the source turns out to be.

WhichWing, A very busy reporter can make mistakes

Which, you are assuming that a British reporter would recognize WTC 7 on sight.  I tried to find out how long the reporter had been in NYC on 9/11.  I didn't have much luck, but I did learn she had been based in Africa as late as 1999.  I don't have anyway of knowing what she knew, but I don't have any trouble believing that she simply may not have known what building was behind her.  Before that day, she might have been like a lot of us around the world who assumed that the Twin Towers were all there was to the World Trade Center.  That, plus the reports that were flying at her from other sources that the building had already collapsed, plus the pressures involved in trying to be ready on a moment's notice to go live, may have been enough to cause her to make a mistake.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised if a circus breaks out.

I watched a famous reporter not know the tower fell while

I watched a reporter not know the 1st tower fell while looking directly at it live, with full video going, from some catwalk or porch of a highrise, and it was clear as a bell in the news video. I think it was Peter Jennings, it was one of the famous reporters.

After it fell he said it looks like there was an explosion or something, and was saying there was a lot of dust(clearly visible). The people in the studio had to tell him the tower was missing, that it was gone. It was like he was a mind numbed robot moron. He was looking right at it in person, looking directly at what we saw on the videofeed.

 Now, there's the other side of this conspiracy. The WTC tower crumbles in plain sight, right in front of the reporter and the viewers, and he denies it, and tries to explain it away.

 If I were a conspiracy theorist, this would mean the tower never fell when news studios said it did, and in fact, if one was there live and not in on it, one would not have reported it as gone at the time of the reported collapse.

 I wonder if WitchWing has looked into this, we need to find out what really happened. I never check these things because I want to stay alive, and obviously these people are out to kill anyone who discovers their coverup. It took me hours to work up the courage to post this. I always just go along with official versions quietly. It's the best way to keep one's skin in tact. So, nevermind WitchWing, I'mnot trying to get you killed either.

Indeed I do!!

But I can't tell you until you take your tin hat off!!!

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott

Back to ya whichwing

No problem, I have learned to be patient with slow learners.  Oops, was that wrong?  I understand you are thin-skinned and I am really trying to walk on eggshells with someone having such a weak grasp of reality.

Well let's turn that frown upside down. How about this. Yes, I agree with you and I will go one step further and blame it all on Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Delay, NB conservatives and all those other wascally wepublicans. There, that's settled.  Is that a smile I see? That's better. 

Now that we've taken care of that little task, I'm sure you are eager to answer my original question.  Should we be happy the "little eichmans" got killed or not?   A simple yes or no to my simple question will suffice but feel free to elaborate. 

If you don't want to engage

If you don't want to engage in a serious discussion about the evidence presented, then that's up to you. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit here and answer your questions while you skirt mine.

Yes, I can understand your discomfort, WhichWay

What's wrong with his desire to determine your frame of reference for the discussion?   When we link sources, those with a clear agenda are usually universally discounted.  However, I can understand why you would shy away from following those concepts yourself.   Yes, I can understand why you would feel discomfort at the thought of that type of disclosure.

Go to the top of this thread

Go to the top of this thread and you will see that this discussion is on a news clip from the BBC, in which they announce that WTC7 has collapsed, but said building still stands, in clear view of the camera.  (I feel like I've made this clear already.)  I've told him, and others, that once they address the original subject I will attempt to answer their questions, but not before then.

What is your agenda, WhichWay?

Not very bright, are ya, WhichWay?   Re-read my post.   It's your personal frame of reference that's relative to the discussion.  What is your agenda? 

Again, you will not address

Again, you will not address my questions, but you'll ask some of your own.

Either way, I have no agenda. I'm not demanding the heads of anyone. I'm not calling for regime change. I think there are many unanswered questions surrounding 9/11, and I came here to get an opinion on that video and what it might say about the events of that day. Got one?

Hey, wait a minnit!

Farther back up the thread I actually responded with a rational, non-ridiculing answer, but you either refused to consider it or blew it off with a foolish answer (I forget which, and it's really not important enough to me to look for it).   As I recall, you did the same with several other answers. 

Hey, wait a minnit!  Could THAT have something to do with no one taking you seriously?   Ya think?

I know WhichWing - ohh ohh mr Kotter...

I know WhichWing - ohh ohh mr Kotter... I know...

The day of the evil neocon attack on 911, the word got out- some aholes on the ground, watching their world domination plot unfold, spread it around that building #7 was next in line to crumble inexplicably to the ground.

 You know how criminals can't help but brag and throw it in everyone's face - well it backfired and the rumor made it up to the Brit lady and BBC about 23 minutes before the explosive cutter charges sliced through the metal girding of WTC7 and brought it down on it's own footprint.

 They probably used some of that stuff that like what went missing from Iraq later - that 300 tons of HDX RDX - some fancy nuclear core compression explosive - very powerful yet compact enough to just slice right through the metal beams without visual cues.

 Nowadays, with all the 2.4 gigahertz and 5.0 gigahertz phones and all this new encryption tech, all they needed was a small reciever with a tiny hearing aid battery in each plastique charge - and someone who turned on the radio/microwave whatever 8.0 gigahertz enrcyption band to set off the charges all at once,from a distance. A satellite transmission cued from the bunker Situation Room or Norad with presidential orders for timing could be the way they did it.

 Now, you see,just the president or the VP, and one guy in the military with the neocon vision - heck Cheney could have had one of the private sat companies in on it - at rich CEO republocon do it,or an agent on or about those live reporters catwalks and highrise porches...

 Yeah man, I know what it all means.

 

Acumen,I honestly don't kno

Acumen,

I honestly don't know what your talking about. I'm not familiary with Ward Churchill or "little eichmans" as you keep referring. Please repost and explain your question so that i may answer it.

not so informed, are we, mr. though?

Not familiar with Ward Churchill?!?! Are you serious? No you are not. This is a diversionary tactic when you have no defense. Please either become informed or confess that you are wrong. The real world does not have time to repost and teach some idiot lib. Keep up, or sit down and wait for the medic.

Pragmatic-Man

Pragmatic-Man, unfortunately most of the conspiracy theorists are uninformed nincompoops, that live their lives claiming noone else knows the real truth.

 When a person has such a functionally deficient common knowledge deficit, the kookball nutter crackpot stories make perfect sense to them,since they have absolutely nothing as a backdrop for comparison.

 I know it's difficult to believe, but people like thoughtpolice have a retard knowledge level noggin bobbling on their toothpick spindle.

Furthermore, when they are so inept and they personally know it, believing other humans have superhero capabilities of concocting amazing in plain sight false flag operations is very easy for them to latch on to. We're talking Special Olympics rejected benchwarmers viewing a pro game, and not knowing how it is even possible, though they see it happening.

 I think they probably know AABAA left right right left BA, the code for unlocking the supermario orange level on their playstation, but that my friend is their top learned accomplishment. 

Back to You ThoughtPolice

Oh, is your google button broken? No problem, you gave the response I envisioned. However, I will take you at your word that you honestly don't know.

Now, if I tell you what he said, you might think I'm lying and I surely wouldn't want that.  So google Ward Churchill and little eichmanns and then you will be able to answer my question honestly.  Caution - this will require analytical thinking on your part.  But just think of it as kind of putting the parts of a puzzle together.  I know you can do it TP.  Get back to me when your assignment is complete and we will see if you made the grade.

Geez, your really going out

Geez, your really going out on a limb to avoid facing the truth, aren't ya?

After reading about Ward Churchill, I realize that he has absolutely nothing to do with this post. Your "question" seems to be another attempt to point out one guy who has a differing opinion and sounds a little "crazy", so gee, we must all believe what he does, right?

Well, to answer your question, no, I do not agree with Ward Churchill.

Second, why would the gov't NOT kill 3,000 people if they knew it would get the ball rolling for them? Wait, let me rephrase that. Because we really don't know who the true perps were, we truthers often throw around "the gov't" which is obviously not true. Rather, elements in the gov't, or maybe high ranking officials of the gov't is closer to the mark. You can DEFINITELY include all those neo-con bastards of PNAC (Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Kristol, Libby etc. etc.).

Oh yea, I am glad you finally admit it was bush and co...

Speaking of ba$tards, TP

Well, well, TP (love those initials)  Speaking of bastards, you're clearly a terrorist-lover of no certain parentage on your father's side....

It's clear that you have an agenda beyond your phony belief that someone in the American government took the towers down.   That's right.  I don't believe for a minute that you're stupid or crazy enough to actually believe the addled conspiracy theories you push.  With every post you make,your agenda looks more likely to be no more than a desire and intent to damage America.

Which Middle Eastern group pays you to put up your anti-American rants, TP?

All you're doing is showing more ignorance with each post.

Thoughtless, do you know how I can tell you're a moron?

Have you ever wokred in a tall building or 20 floors or more? Have you had acces to all rooms on every floor?

I have, and I've seen the efforts made to keep "unknown" people out of places they are not supposed to be. Now, we are supposed to believe that two buildings with nearly 50,000 people working inside had all the manpower come in to place demolition charges, yet no one has said a peep about anything suspicous like that? ANd what will your ignorant 6th grader response be? "It was at night"?

Unlike you, I've worked in Manhatten office buildings (for over 7 years), including nights and weekends (yeah, 3am, 5am, you name it) Especially in the Financial district - where the WTC was located - there are lots of people working late or even overnight shifts. And no one, not one person has said they saw something funny/odd in the WTC towers!

Give it a rest. All you're doing is showing more ignorance with each post.

You should not disregard th

You should not disregard the tenants of WTC7. Including the Mayors Office of Emergency Management (which they abandoned in favor of roaming the streets with the press) and the US Secret Service.

Good point.Somehow, all of

Good point.

Somehow, all of these people (inclusing the Secret Service) kept quiet about a conspiricy to "demolish" the buildings on 9/11?

Please.

Good point.Somehow, all of

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You've made a good point yo

You've made a good point yourself, how could we expect the Secret Service to keep quiet about a government plan? <---note the sarcasm

Perhaps because, contrary to

Perhaps because, contrary to your thinking, the Secret Service is constituted of individuals, MANY with families of their own, some of whom out of the name of a conscience MIGHT blow the whistle if they saw some funny business going on?

No wonder you are a Leftist.  You see the government as THE most powerful entity anywhere in the world...

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

&quot;Everybody!! Gather a

"Everybody!! Gather around, there are people who are posting things that we disagree with. They have posted things that should raise questions, but we will band together and ignore what they have posted. Also, we shall call them crazy, for the simple reason that its easier to do so than to look at all the evidence out there and use our heads to connect the dots. Join with me in this attempt to avoid what they have said."

"If they persist, we shall question their patriotism and demand that they show us bigfoot and the UFO he flew in on. Do not relent, they will give us what we demand. Oh, and evaluate your sources, or you risk seeing something that might lend credence to their claims."

How frustrating it must be, WhichWay

How frustrating it must be, WhichWay, to be widely seen for the creepy nutjob you are....don't you think it's time to reveal your REAL agenda here?   It CAN'T be the childish nonsense you prattle about....no one is that dumb.

don't you think it's time to reveal your REAL agenda here?

don't you think it's time to reveal your REAL agenda here?

RJ - Most of these Trolls refuse to admit their Rabid hatred of Bush, or their intent to disrupt discussion here.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"George W. Bush simply reminds leftists everyday what they will never be. And they hate him for it." --Tammy Bruce

get used to it which, that'

get used to it which, that's the mentality in here.

after all, they voted for GWB twice! paaallleeeeese.

That post coming from one who

That post coming from one who is angry that the government isn't a massive United Way.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Yes, GW Bush and his close alliance--

Yes, GW Bush and his close alliance--with the BBC is suspect here. He probably should have asked his "friends" at BBC to keep a close eye on the clock so they didn't announce too early and they blew it.

PS I have made the tinfoil hat TP requested. Size 4 1/8 if I recall. Where do you want me to send it? You will love the rounded top--it will keep aliens from stealing your thoughts.

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott

Man, if only we could get t

Man, if only we could get the British onboard, huh?

conspiracy nuts--

I watched/listened to your video, etc. Now you should view this!

PS Be careful, the heat will melt tinfoil!

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott

Yes, I am familiar with the

Yes, I am familiar with the various meanings of pull. Got an opinion on the videos?

And you whine at me that I'm

And you whine at me that I'm putting to much weight on the videos?  Why, it seems increasingly obvious that you have invested your entire raison d'etre into them...

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I have decided to remove my

I have decided to remove myself from this discussion, and all discussions of this nature. I still believe that there is much more to 9/11 than we have been told by the government. But I also understand that many people disagree. I think we both have a right to either opinion, but I doubt that we will make much progress is changing one another's mind. I hope that one day we will all get all the information in regards to 9/11, no matter what that information means in the end. If there is no conspiracy involving the government, ours or a foreign nation's, then that is wonderful. Whoever is responsible should be held accountable. I commend all of you that research this subject with an open mind, and I wish you luck in your journey.

Why is it that those who talk

Why is it that those who talk about having an open mind are themselves THE most CLOSED minded people on the planet? 

Yes, I am talking about YOU, WhichWing, who spent half his posts pouting and whining about not being able to dominate the conversation, and especially throwing a temper tantrum at the outrageous suggestion that you answer some very simple questions. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I think you might have read

I think you might have read my last post wrong. Do I think that I'm going to change your mind? No, I don't. Do you think that you are going to change my mind? I doubt it. It's not worth the effort. This thread is more than 5 weeks old and neither of us have made any progress. We look at the same evidence and come to different conclusions. I may be wrong. You may be wrong. Either way, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm sorry if I've disappointed you.

As I said above, I still feel as if there are unanswered questions about 9/11, but I don't think we are finding any of those answers here. And let me clarify that a little. The unanswered questions might very well lead to an answer consistent with the official story, I am not willing to completely discount that possibility. I am more than willing to look at evidence that leads in any direction.

If you feel the need to post more, you could post some quotes from me illustrating my "temper tantrum," or we could just end it here.

Whining that I am &quot;full

Whining that I am "full of it" merely for bringing up very realistic concerns about the source, crying that I shouldn't bother discussing the subject (when I have in fact been doing it all along), and demanding I watch this video upon which you hinge your entire existence BEFORE you answer some very easy to answer questions.

Hell, you really don't have to answer them.  Other posters have read them and saw one of the many points I was trying to make without answering a single one. Will it physically kill you to do the same?  You sure act like it.

Not to mention your squealing in pain at the mention of "source evaluation".

I am not here to get you to change your mind...I AM trying to get you to THINK CRITICALLY. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

You still don't understand

You still don't understand that this thread was based on a short news clip from 9/11. You won't watch the clip because your standards are too high for this petty stuff. Instead you want to know if this happened then who did what when where and how? You also don't seem to understand that it should be agreed upon that the building was demolished before you go about figuring out how. It looks like a demolition, and you would know that if you could bring yourself to watch some video from any of the major networks coverage of the collapse. What do you want to evaluate? The owner of the BBC? The owner of the building? The reporter? The source of the report? The site its posted on? The validity of the video? Go f'ing evaluate then. If your sources have not been evaluated then you can't do that for yourself?

If the official story is the truth then here are some easy questions for you.

1. Were the hijackers aware that there were multiple targets and planes that day?

2. Did they interact with each other that day?

3. How long did they interact?

4. Did they like each other?

5. Where did they stay the night before 9/11?

6. Did they get up early to prepare?

7. Did they practice the route to the airport?

8. How long did they take to get there?

9. Were they in a hurry?

10. Did they speed?

11. Did they attract any attention from the police?

12. How did they get through security with box cutters? Which were illegal before and after 9/11.

13. Did they have insiders at security checkpoints?

14. How many insiders were there?

15. Did they all get out of their seats at the same time?

16. Did they drug the attendants?

17. Did they kill the pilots are just lock them out of the cockpit?

18. Or did they force the pilots to fly the planes?

19. Did they intend to knock the towers down?

20. Did they pray before crashing?

These questions should easily be answered by you and your evaluated sources.

And by the way, how did you evaluate the government sources that provided you with this official story?

You must be praying each and

You must be praying each and every single night that this is a conspiracy. 

You also clearly have an extremely horrific time with common sense.  The death of ALL conspiracies was written by Benjamin Franklin over two centuries ago when he wrote "Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."  If this was some massive conspiracy, someone would have talked by now, because that is simple human nature. 

And because the only thing you can do is mock my questions (care to explain to me how their liking each other, or not, has a bearing on what happened?), here is the thrust behind them.  Be careful, because this MIGHT just give you an aneurysm:

How do you pull this off without MILLIONS and MILLIONS of witnesses?  You aren't detonating a grain elevator in the Texas Panhandle, this is the friggin World Trade Center, with as many as 65,000 employees alone, not to mention visitors, former employees, and the like!

Do you wish for me to elaborate further or do you understand yet?  Or are you perhaps being WILLFULLY obtuse?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I suppose you consider ever

I suppose you consider everything I wrote below to be coincidence? People are capable of keeping secrets, believe it or not. It all depends on the stakes, and I would venture to say the stakes are pretty high in this case. As Herbert Hoover said, “The bigger the lie, the easier it is to pass over to people.”

I saw this somewhere, and I think it says alot:

"How long did it take to launch an investigation for Pearl Harbor, Titanic, JFK?"

"About a day. About a day. About a day."

"Yes, and 9/11?"

"About a year later."

You think I'm in the dark, but you are the one that has only considered one side of events. So wouldn't that make you the uninformed one? "Well the government told me, and they've always been so upfront and honest that I have no reason to doubt what they say." If you venture outside of the US MSM for some news you'd see that much of the world questions 9/11. But then they are probably the ones sending UFO's full of Bigfoot's, right?

much of the world questions

much of the world questions 9/11

Much of the world isn't as free either, but I can see we're wasting our time with you. You think the Secret Service is full of dishonable people that would assist in the murder of 3,000 people, and that there wouldn't be one single whistle-blower. Not one.

How about this for an argument? 9/11 was not an inside job. Know why? The government hasn't locked someone like *you* up in a political prison for making your galactically stupid comments. (see Tammy's quote for further insight into why you might believe 9/11 was an inside job)

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"George W. Bush simply reminds leftists everyday what they will never be. And they hate him for it." --Tammy Bruce

Well that would just show t

Well that would just show their hand wouldn't it, silencing ideas like this in the national media seems to be the strategy instead.

That's quite a quote you got there.

And that would mean that they

And that would mean that they would HAVE to silence you.  But of course, you pray with intensity that this is all a government conspiracy, because it is easier for a Leftist like yourself to fear and hate the government of the United States than it is to fear a band of terrorists or foreign governments friendly to them.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Do you think that only Left

Do you think that only Leftists have questioned 9/11? Or does it just make it easier for you to attack people if you perceive them to be from the other side of the political spectrum from you?

Stop picking on me!, the whine goes

Again, why are you so deeply ashamed of your political views?  Your whine here indicates that you are.

Do you wish to be exempt from any cross-examination because you are in fact a Leftist?  Am I not allowed to be critical (you call that "attacking" in your whine) of your political views because your philosophies eminate from the Left portion of the political spectrum?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Actually, I think not the peo

Actually, I think that the people who have questioned 9/11 are simply semi-retarded a$$holes, which does not descriminate based on political affiliation. I especially enjoy this take on idiots like you.

You are overstating the sig

You are overstating the signifigance of this video in order to downplay the rest of the conspiracy.

Long before 2001, there was, and still is, a group called the "Project for a New American Century." There plan was to rebuild America's defenses and have more of an impact in the politics of the Middle East. But, in this plan they mention that a "New Pearl Harbor" would have to take place before they could implement such a policy.

Some of the members include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Jeb Bush, Richard Armitage, and Lewis Libby. Well low and behold in 2001 Bush takes power by winning a state which hinged on the results of the Florida vote, who's governor is the Jeb Bush, member of PNAC and brother to Bush, and all those people end up with posts in the administration.

9 months later we get our "New Pearl Harbor." Ever since we have been adding to the defenses and the budgets. We've been way more involved in MIddle East policy.

Before 9/11, any time a plane went off course fighter gets were dispatched to see what was going on. Anyone remember Payne Stewarts plane crash, in '99 I think. Something like 6 fighter jets chased that plane.  At some point after taking office, and before 9/11, policy was changed so that only Cheney or Rumsfeld could issue shoot down orders. Along with the present, but no longer NORAD or anyone else who had the authority before. On 9/11, no fighter jets made contact with hijacked commercial airliners that been in the air, in some cases, for an hour or more. Even after the towers were hit twice, the pentagon remained unprepared for an attack, and that was with knowledge that there were more hijacked planes.

There were numerous warnings from inside our government, and from foreign governments, that there was a plan to hijack planes. Those warnings were ignored. You aren't bothered by that?

The towers burned for less than an hour before completely collapsing. The official story says this was due to fire. Yet this has never happened to a steel framed building before or since 9/11. Not only the towers collapse, but so did WTC7, also from fire. Complete collapse from fire. Point to another example of this happening in history. They made the claim that the WTC7 collapse was unexpected, but there is video of firemen walking away and telling the camera to keep watching because it is going to 'explode.' And on top of that, you have the reporter reporting the collapse 20 minutes before it actually happened.

The president is told of the 2nd tower has been happened and he doesn't move from his chair for 7 minutes. SEVEN MINUTES. But why rush? Just an attack on your country's homeland.

How many things can you discount before you ask yourself if you know the whole truth?

You should also remember the word "theory" and its meaning. Conspiracy sites have used the evidence available to assemble a theory. They are not fabricating evidence, just analyzing it. Go read a well thought out theory, one that begins before 9/11 and continues on afterward to show who would benefit from such an attack. What did the terrorists gain from this anyway?

You honestly believe that you know all there is to know about 9/11? Whether terrorist or inside job, do you think you have all the information? Do you think the 9/11 Commission did a satisfactory job? Do you think starting an investigation 441 days after an event is reasonable? Aren't you curious why Bush and Cheney opposed the 9/11 Commission? Or why they insisted upon testifying together? Or why they fought so hard to keep Rice from testifying before the commission?

Again, how do you ignore all these things? These things alone should not cause concern, but all combined, I don't see how they couldn't.

Now you will have to excuse me, I have overheated my tinfoil hat.

I am one of those deeply anno

I am one of those deeply annoying people out there called a "realist".  What happened, happened. 

You want to know what I think?  If there is any government cover-up...it was that 9/11/01 was supposed to be WORSE than it turned out to be.  Only time will tell about that.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Oooooh Nooooo!

Oooooh Noooo! Not the dreaded PNAC again! Not to be confused with legendary So. Cal station  KNAC.  Hey clown, you're overstating the signifigance ( and influence) of the pnac and misrepresenting.

" America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. "

Where is the plan for a new pearl harbor specifically to get into the middle east? Even if someone from pnac may have uttered those words at some time, it's technically true, it still doesn't mean the gov't planned 9/11.  We already are involved in "politics" in the ME. If we wanted to have " more of an impact" we could weild a bigger stick at the UN or just cut off all foreign aid.

I don't know why I even responded, you probably don't believe a word that's on the pnac site.

http://www.newamericancentu

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf#search=%22Pearl%20Harbor%20site%3Anewamericancentury.org%22

Well even if that happened....well that doesn't mean anything...it was just a mistake...she didn't know which building she was talking about...the warnings weren't specific enough...so what if they were running war games on the same day...so what if the war games simulated a hijacking...so what if they were simulating a plane hitting a building...so what if Cheney was running them...so what if the 85 cameras around the Pentagon are being hidden from the public...so what if the president opposed an investigation into 9/11...so what if Silverstein said "pull it"...so what if you don't see pieces of plane at the pentagon...so what if there's no plane in Pennsylvania.......

How long can you go on like that?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/defensenationalsecurity.htm

Read some of the memos and reports there and you will see that PNAC is pretty much writing foreign policy.

http://www.newamericancentu

http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20011212.htm

The closing paragraph in that memo reads:

"In other words: On
December 11, the president (helped by his vice president two days earlier)
ushered the United States into a new era. In this new era, containment
and deterrence will be supplemented by defense, regime change and pre-emption,
in order to deal with the overwhelming threat now facing us -- terrorist-sponsoring
regimes seeking to acquire weapons of mass destruction."

I thought we were specifically opposed to pre-emption? That memo is from December 12, 2001, which illustrates how quickly things changed.

Yeah, losing 3000 of your own

Yeah, losing 3000 of your own citizens on your own soil to the worst terrorist attack in history does tend to change things.

Reagan carried out Eldorado Canyon for less...

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

So you think pre-emption is

So you think pre-emption is a good policy for our nation?

I realize that your vision of

I realize that your vision of America is of one that takes its marching orders from Paris, but MY vision of America is one that is FEARED globally.  I like the idea of dictators and otherwise bad people around the world to think to themselves that if they even so much as look at American property or citizens wrong, they do so at their great personal risk. 

So yes, I agree with the policy of pre-emption.  National survival is not a game for adolescents.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Are you opposed to foreign

Are you opposed to foreign nations having a policy of pre-emption?  Such as Iran or North Korea.  (You don't have to speak to those two examples specifically.)

Ethiopia &quot;pre-empted&quo

Ethiopia "pre-empted" Somalia earlier this year.  So, it all depends.  I am a bitter, hard-headed practitioner of Machiavellian realpolitik on the foreign policy scene.

If something happens that advances American interests, I like it.  If it doesn't, I do not like it.  That simple.

If I think pre-emption advances the causes of the United States, of course I back it.  Having been stationed to South Korea, I think that North Korea "pre-empting" South Korea would be detrimental to world markets, Asian stability, and would enrage me personally because I have been there and know first hand just how outstanding South Korea is (culturally, economically, and on a personal level). 

To cite North Korea as an example, you have zero sense of history, or of the suffering that has been taking place north of the DMZ. 

Now, if you meant the United States pre-empting North Korea, I would do that tomorrow if "king for a day", except for one little thing.  There are 15 million South Koreans that live with artillery fire range of the North.  If you ever get the chance to visit Seoul (you should, it's an awesome city), and you walk around there, you should be aware that the North can fire upon you at any time from their positions. 

Hence, the way I see it, the South is continually held hostage.  I view that situation as several million guns held to the heads of millions of South Koreans. 

Iran is an interesting question.  I would take out that government tomorrow as well, but I also understand the realities (that damn Machiavellian instinct of mine again!).  Iran has a very anti-American government with a pro-American population, hence it is a sticky situation there as well.  I suspect that this is the reason we haven't gone into Iran yet.  People there are not terribly fond of their government, but at the same time, they are tired of tumult. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

My point is that one nation

My point is that one nation might see something as beneficial to them, while we may see it another way. I'm sure we could find lots of Iraqis that think our pre-emption was a horrible thing. And I'm sure we could also find lots of Iraqis that think it saved them. China might think it would in their best interest to start a war with Taiwan. We might disagree with China. Saddam thought invading Kuwait was a good idea, we thought otherwise. I was under the impression that our military was for defensive purposes. If we continue to go around with the policy of pre-emption, then how are we any better than the dictators we overthrow?  How long would it take before we were viewed in the same light as Hitler's Germany?

I think you said somewhere on here that you would never vote for an isolationist. Should I assume that you would vote for an imperialist (again)?

As I suspected, your dream is

As I suspected, your dream is of a whiny, toothless America that has ZERO power projection.

Spare me the moral relevance.  I am all about America's best interest.  I also realize you hate history with a passion (for you it began in 2001), but the United States is extremely generous.  For proof of that, I point you to 1945, when the United States could have essentially taken over the world, with no problems.  What did the United States do with that power?  Why, aid the disintegration of European colonial empires and develop other nations, such as Germany and Japan.  Additionally, it defended nations all over the world from the clutches of communism, and not just because it was in America's interests to do so.

Your views are tremendously disgusting.  When I was stationed in South Korea, I didn't see us forcing the people of Korea to abandon their culture and ways of life like the Japanese did when they actually ran the place.  We are in South Korea in a defensive role, and don't run their government or tell it what to do.  Additionally, when I was in Germany, the same thing took place.  I didn't see our troops occupying the Bundestag and Bundesrat to make sure their government did the right thing; their people did what they wanted. 

How are we any better than the dictators we overthrow?  Name the last time we dropped nerve gas on our own people.  That's right, you can't.  Or, how about imprisoning our own people for practing religion we didn't approve of, or advocating political stances that were not to our liking?  That's right, you can't. 

I do not worry nor do I care about how the world views us. They do not vote in our elections; the EU has ZERO electoral votes the last time I checked.  If France really hates the United States that much, perhaps we should send over some C-5s and civil engineering units, and massively exhume the graves of those who died defending those whiny ingrates in WWI and WWII, and then bring them home to a nation where they will be appreciated. 

National survival is not a popularity contest, my adolescent psychobabbler.  It is life or death, and is a game for grownups, as Carter's National Security Advisor once said. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

And the last time I checked,

And the last time I checked, you sick excuse of a human being, the United States is not invading Canada and Mexico, forcibly incorporating them to the nation, and murdering people it doesn't like because they don't like their religion or the way they look.  I suggest you crawl back under whatever rock you came out from under to type such a disgusting comparison and stay there.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Well, if you are through wi

Well, if you are through with that rant, this "sick excuse of a human being" would like to bring his point full circle. You would agree that pre-9/11 we, as a nation, were more or less against pre-emptive war? It would have been difficult to get the public to go along with such a mission had an event like 9/11, or a "new Pearl Harbor," not taken place. But afterwards its much easier to bully the public and media into embracing the idea. And for those that question it, you can call them unpatriotic, or sick, or shout as loud as you can that they have disgusting views and hate history.

You need to take a deep breath. You claim to be the lover of history, yet you refuse to see the examples history provides you.

By the way, I don't recall mentioning Canada or Mexico. If you don't equate invading foreign nations and building permanent military bases all over the world with imperialism, then you are deep in denial.

Mother Russia is looking for you.

Your hatred of your own count

Your hatred of your own country is appalling. 

So, by your definition, NATO is an imperialist arm of the United States?  Never mind that we had permanent bases there to keep the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact from marching down the Fulda Gap or perhaps down the North German Plain. 

By your definition, what I was doing in South Korea was oppressive? Never mind the United States was and is there to prevent South Korea from falling into the clutches of the Korean Worker's Party and North Korea.

So, in order to appease the Leftist guilt of WhichWing, who sees the United States not as a force for good by keeping nations such as South Korea and the rotting EU free, but rather as THE preeminient locus of evil in the world, we should completely dismantle our military and turn the United States into a whiny, toothless, powerless nation that is ONLY concerned with coddling, babying, and nannying little WhichWing. 

And once again, your comparisons are not only historically laughable but disgusting.  The Родина whacked 20 million of its own citizens from 1929 to 1953 ALONE and enslaved a few million more in the Гулаг system on Stalin's whim.  Because WhichWing isn't getting coddled and pampered by the government for the sole act of being born, the United States is just like the USSR of old. 

If you so deeply, intensely, and passionately hate the United States that much, perhaps socialist countries like Canada and France are more to your liking, and you should emigrate there as fast as you can. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

You are coming up with all

You are coming up with all these definitions on your own. Keep repeating that I hate my country and maybe people will start to believe you. But I think you are making the case that you hate your country by going on long hateful rants against anyone who has an opinion that differs from your own. Democracy does not seem to be something you enjoy.

If I do not enjoy democracy,

If I do not enjoy democracy, perhaps you can explain why I took an oath to support and defend the United States THREE times in order to protect the rights of spoiled brats like yourself to whine about how evil the United States is, even as you suck its tit and greedily drink its milk and bounty.

Unless of course, you are just bawling because you made a statement of your personal beliefs and firmly believe that Because WhichWing Typed Them, They Are 100% Above ANY Criticism.  I could just as easily turn around and ask why you are trying to silence me and shut ME up.  Could it be that you are uncomfortable with being confronted by someone who is showing you up for what you really are? 

You really have no room to whine when you call me an "imperialist", compare my beliefs to those of "Mother Russia" and suggest that American foreign policy can be compared to the German quest for Lebensraum in the late 1930s. 

I am not coming up with anything on my own.  Sadly, I am distilling your own words and your own beliefs and convictions, and showing them for what they are.  You are upset because I am doing that and you don't like it.

I am not the one imbued with moral relevism, YOU are.  I am not the one making absurd, historically inaccurate and sickening comparisons, YOU are.  I am not the one advocating a dramatically weaker America, YOU are. 

Deal with it.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Democracy

I hate Democracy as well our Founding Fathers did also. You won't find the word in the Constitution as the Founding Fathers warned against it. Democracy=mob rule!!!

"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER