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This is a link to David Codrea's articles about "GunWalker".
We are told that background checks are needed for all people who seek to exercise their Second Amendment recognized, enumerated, rights. We are told that our rights must be restricted for safety. We are being abused. Our rights are being abused. Why isn't the NRA snapping? All it does is this? Maybe that is because the NRA isn't what many think it is. But I digress.
I supposed I could explain the ATF corruption, the manufacture of a crisis byt this administration (and others) meant to be used to curtail our rights, but David, thoug not alone, has already done so and I link to a starting place for your own research. Give it a read and think through the ramifications of this deal. This is huge, folks. Many have accused the DEA over the years of manufacturing numbers to justify budget increases. Here, we have the BATF&E cold busted doing exactly that. And a good man is dead with a corrupt government, actually two, directly caught red handed.
As a hook, think about firearms crossing the border, at the specific direction of the BATF&E, and a disarmed boder patrol agent killed with one of them. (Bean bag ammo and rubber bullets constitute disarmed) Consider this being part of an effort to manufacture a "river of Iron" in order to infringe upon gun rights in this country.
Make no mistake, this is the biggest scandal to come to pass and it makes a blue dress look like the little squirt, a midget, in comparison. Republicans in control of the House of Representatives, not to mention the miority party members in the Senate, today should be screaming about this on every network and in every print interview every day. That they are not is a deafening silence. Defunding you say? Looking for places to cut, you say? Yeah, here is a perfect example of where and why it must be done aside from financial troubles.
I look forward to what NewsBusters participants have to say about this. It cannot get much more ridiculous, or corrupt, than this, imho. This cannot be allowed to be swept under the rug and one member of Congress isn't good enough. Mr. Issa, its time to get serious, Sir.
December 7, 2011 1:44 PM
Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
Full of lovely little facts to refute the democrat spin.
Here are my thoughts I was able to jot while I watched this hearing today.
Leaky starts off with a warning - the clock will be kept "diligently". Yuup gotta keep people from probing too deep and get Holder out of there QUICK!. He then gos forward touting Obama's "successes". This is about FAST and FURIOUS, Mr. Leaky. Sheesh. Waste that time, right after you say time is so short.
He offered a Freudian slip right off the bat. He said this was to complete the oversight, but then quickly changed his words to "continue" the investigation. He talks now about crime rates FALLING. Wait, didn't Biden recently say they were rising? OOOOPS.
Grassley up first. Let's see if he babbles or if he gets down to the nitty gritty.
I noticed on the way in he was smiling and yukking it up with Leaky and Holder. I found that quite puzzling.
He knows Holder lied, yet he was smiling? Really?
Grassley hammers Bruer. That is fine, he should be hammered, but why waste time with Holder now? It was nice to hear him say this should not be used to call for more gun control. But C'mon Grassley- that is what this was all about in the first place. Now we get more of the "never happen again" line. How about some justice for it already happening????
Holder takes the oath......
He starts right off whining about not having enough money and then parrots Leaky with "successes". More time wasted when this is about GunWalker! Ridiculous. Can you say filibuster? Sure, I knew you could.
WOW, Holder has the guts to talk about convictions regarding AK's used to kill Americans. My GOD! He actually talks about election redistricting and jumps into stopping the patchwork of immigration laws. Even Schumer has his head in his hands. LMAO.
Bank fraud? Really Holder? Gotta talk about anything but GunWalker, huh? Pure Foolishness!
"I want to be very clear. GunWalking is unacceptable." and then he ADMITS it took place! Flawed? Ummm YAH!
"I took action" he says. Jeeeez. Yeah you did Holder. Action to COVER IT ALL UP!
"Local Arizona based operation", huh, Holder? Suuuuure.
He actually repeats a form of the 90% lie!
GunWalker was a "mistake" he says.
Boy Howdy, for all his whining about having not enough funding, he sure does off a lot of things being done. This man is a walking, well, in this case sitting, contradiction.
He talks about "illegal guns" Can you say Shall Not Be Infringed" Mr. Holder? There is no such thing as an illegal gun, just unlawful gun laws!
He calls again for more money and more laws to this time. He touts the need for multiple rifle purchase reporting....can you say GUN REGISTRATION? I say again.....SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! Are we going to have to report how many bibles we purchase too?
He talks about what is "at stake here". Notice, he did not mention LIBERTY.
Leaky says there is a number of issues "besides this one".
Hilariously, none of the Barry cabal wants to admit that the BORDER being wide open is what need addressed!
Leaky talks about keeping options open in the fight against terrorism. Holder talks about maximum flexibility. In that context, they both tag military tribunals as unneeded. Talking points taking shots at something that has to be on the table, after they just said everything has to be on the table. More contradiction.
Now Leaky talks about DOMA. Respect for Marriage Act? Changing the definition of marriage - opening it up to a litany, a "patchwork" of laws is proper? Wait, didn't Holder just hammer the "patchwork of laws" in his remarks about immigration? Another contradiction.
Leaky talks again about time.....
He wraps up with a question about when Holder knew. Trying to preempt Grassley. He goes so far as to offer him a pass and sets up a softball. Holder doubles down and says he learned about it all just early this year. Now, he says a "few weeks meant a couple of months". Jeez.
He says February he learned of GunWalking. He is trying to say he learned about it from the media. DOJ learns what it knows from the MEDIA? Seriously? Yeah, right.
On to Grassley.
And he relents to the game just played by Leaky and Holder.
Grassley asks "Did Grindler say anything to you"? Holder replies "No, he did not."
Same with Wilkinson. Holder says no to that too.
Bruer and Wide Receiver......Grassley asks if it is acceptable that Bruer didn't "clear up" things. Holder says letters could have been crafted better. Sheesh. NOBODY was aware of "tactics". NOBODY!
Grassley asks directly about drafts of that letter and who reviewed them. Holder was clearly uncomfortable by that question. He admits information was "inaccurate". Yeah, LIES!
Grassley outs a private conversation and Holder is al kinds of uncomfortable. Even asks for his response to not come out of Grassley's time. And Leaky cuts off Grassley's time. Grassley and Leaky argue about time. Holder balks and brings out the "ongoing investigation" excuse as a reason not to answer. Imagine that.
Kohl up now.
He talks about FBI office closures in Wisconsin. Gee, a response to the thumping Democrats took there recently? How you like that Kohl?
Hatch up now.
He goes to CIA investigations and reopening them. Holder admits his focus was "process" regardless of the reality that he came to the same conclusion not to prosecute that had been made before he decided to go through the "process" again. Can you say waste fraud and abuse? Holder played politics, Barry played to the base like he was going to keep a campaign promise with no intention whatsoever to ever prosecute any of the CIA agents. Gee, why did GunWalking happen "without his knowledge"? Could it be that he was too busy playing politics? Yeah, like he didn't know.....
Office of Professional Responsibility? WTF is that?
Feinstein up now. She chimes in on Stevens' PERSECUTION. Sickening.
"Trace Data" she wants put into the record.
Diane goes "Blame Bush" with Wide Receiver. Sheesh.
Rifle reporting is "extremely reasonable". He laments being sued over it because it done with handguns. Have you Read Heller, Mr. Attorney General? How about McDonald? Jeeez.
Diane talks about how many people killed by guns. PEOPLE kill people, Diane. And it doesn't matter how you FEEL when there is that Constitutional Boundary that stops your FEELING from violating my RIGHT. Got it biatch?
She "extends compliment" to the FBI.......yeah, the same organization that HELPED walk guns over the border by setting NICS checks aside to facilitate sales to straw purchasers who FAILED the tool they say is designed to stop just such a purchase. Ridiculous!
Lindsay Graham up now. This oughta be good. First, some praise, of course.
"We are not gonna close GITMO anytime soon." he says. Imagine that.
Where do we confine a capture today? Holder says it is under discussion? Dang man, it has ben three yeas and it is still under discussion? Yup, Barry voting "Present" on something he campaigned directly against! Imagine that.
Barry says we are not using GITMO, but has no alternative to offer.
I snap on Lindsay for his waffling, but I will commend him on straight talk regarding GITMO. He has Holder by the balls on this point and Holder is squirming because he has no answer. Is GITMO a humane facility? Holder answers yes. Lindsay put it on him about GITMO and made Holder, and his boss, look like a fool. He puts a 30 day time limit on an alternative to GITMO. Holder shifts the decision to "people higher up". Nice one Lindsay. Yet, not a thing about GunWalker.
Chuck up now.
He goes Blame Bush too.
So to find out why Obama did what he did, Bush must be looked at. Uh huh.
Chuck outs the difference. The US government worked WITH the Mexican Government in Wide Receiver. With Barry and his crew, the Mexican Government was not informed or worked with. The Obama administration has already admitted that. BUSTED. Chuck, your attempt to Blame Bush just experienced an Epic Fail by your own words. Loooooser.
Chuck talks about it being a good bet that Bush knew and endorsed it. It began before Holder and Obama took office. Gee, why is Boehner so silent? Why is the Speaker Silent?
Cornyn up now. Talks about Texas connection. Ruh Roh.....Holder said earlier this was an Arizona operation.......ooooops.
He presents a pictorial timeline. Feb to Nov LIED to congress and Cornyn nails it. He tags Holder for the time frame. Can you say COVER UP? He says as LATE as MARCH he got from ATF that gunwalking didn't happen. How about March to November, Mr. HOLDER? Hmmmmmm? He asks Holder if he still contends it is a local issue. He just said it was NOT a NATIONAL operation. Holder just LIED again. Of Course it was a NATIONAL operation. Indeed, it was INTERNATIONAL. Busted.
He is asked if it is his responsibility for knowing "that which happens in the department". And he tries to waffle out if that responsibility by saying "he cannot be expected to know".
He says his staff made determination not to share memos with him. Which staff members, Mr. Holder? Leaky comes in and cuts off time stopping the line of questioning in its tracks. Cornyn had just asked if Holder would like to apologize and Holder goes all in. He refuses to apologize and snaps off saying that Fast and Furious "mistakes" did not necessarily lead to Agent Terry's death. HOLY CRAP, I cannot believe he just went there! That is HUGE! That denial of responsibility is ASTOUNDING!
Whitehouse up now.
He tries to uphold the meme that things addressed to Holder are not read by Holder. THAT is where "plausible deniability" in place. Sheldon wants this left in place and urges Holder to keep it in place. NO NO NO NO NO NO! That is exactly backwards and it hinders accountability. Sheldon is WRONG there. 100% wrong. This must be changed so accountability exists!
Sheldon jumps to cyber security. Translation - Control over the internet. Whatevah. Sheesh.
Lee up now. He goes to Kagan and Obamacare. Suuuure, Holder, Kagan left the room every time Obamacare was discussed. UH huh. Sure, Holder. We belive that. Rii-iiiiight.
He asks about GunWalker.
"What mistakes did YOU make Mr. Holder?" Holder goes on to say what he did "right" and says he "acted responsibly". Those who made mistakes will be held accountable.......he says. Holder and Obama have ben saying that and saying that and saying that.....and nobody is held accountable. Same as before......waiting for the IG report. Uh huh. Stall stall stall.
Lee hammers Bruer. He points out "tactics" is part of statutory requirements for DOJ. Yet, "tactics" are what Holder says nobody at justice knew about tactics. Good job Mr. Lee. Cold Busted! Now we are cooking with wesson. This point goes to top level knowledge or Bruer is guilty of multiple felonies and civil rights violations regarding wiretapping. Very very good cornering Mr. Lee. Holder tries to roll the crap downhill, tries to absolve Bruer. Holder said there were no "roving" wiretaps in Fast and Furious. I think that tidbit will come back to haunt him. Can you say over the border????? I thought this program was meant to TRACK these weapons.......that means MOVEMENT.......another HUGE Ruh Ro there. Why, how did they intend to track weapons they KNEW were going to be moved and NOT go after roving wiretaps? Sorry folks, that one just doesn't make sense on its face. (Not that any of it does to begin with.)
Leaky again says that ATF needs more tools.
Coons up now.
He goes Cyber. Adds Industrial Espionage.
As he talks about Chinese counterfeit microchips. Here is a thought, LET'S MAKE OUR OWN MICROCHIPS, most ESPECIALLY for the military! FFS. Holder talks about public private sector partnerships. As I say time and time again, public private partnerships is how you spell SOCIALISM in 2011. Ugh.
Holder talks again how historically low crime rates are. OH Mr. Biiiiiiiiiiiiiden.............
He talks about taking people off the line.......yet Barry took National Guard off the line known as the BORDER. Another contradiction.
Blumenthal. up now. Licking Holders boots right off the bat.
There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by anyone he Blumers says. He thanks Holder "for being so candid". FFS. Really? Seriously? Firefighters are "cops on the beat"..... he says. What a marrrrroooooooooon. Holder says we have tried to be good partners with Mexico. Yeah, by not telling them about GunWalker? Can this man lie any more than he does. Holder praises Bruer and his methods of forming good ideas. Unreal.
Blumers goes to mortgage foreclosures.
On FOX News right ( 11:02) now William La Jueness speaks of the hearing in the past tense.....while it continues. Sheesh. What a crock.
Klobuchar up now. Another Democrat offering praise. Imagine that.
She jumps into copyright. Yeah, private property is a Democrat's concern, huh? Raise those taxes!!!! Uh huh. I got a kick out her talking about defending against "infringement". Man o Man, you just cannot make this stuff up. ( For reference here is her own words " I did favor extending the ban on assault weapons. Unfortunately, we didn’t prevail. ") Infringe? Yeah. Sure she will champion other votes she made, but then, there is no escaping the vote to BAN OWNERSHIP of rifles and lament failing to succeed in doing so.
Dick Durbin up now. This should be hurl worthy.
He cites PRESS REPORTS regarding Illegal aliens. This is the same Durbin who called on illegals to stand and be recognized in the halls of congress, honoring them and advocating on their behalf. What a LIAR Durbin is. Two faced liar.On the one hand he advocates for illegals and then he turns around and advocates prosecuting them. What a dishonorable man Durbin is. I guess he was for illegals before he was against illegals. Ridiculous.
How does the DOJ view Muslim Americans? asks Durbin. Really? Holders blubbering is astounding. Outreach efforts? Yeah like NASA? OMG. He thought Bush's statements were right on. Muslims are not our enemy? Seriously? Another 9-11 will take place with that 9-10 attitude. To be sure, not every Muslim in the world wants to see the USA destroyed, but PLENTY of Muslims do and it is time to ADMIT IT.
I would like Durbin to square what he has said here today with the "report" that went out to LEO that those people with bumper stickers not supporting a major party might be domestic terrorists.
Muslim Americans have the same desires we do? Really Holder?
Durbin asks for MORE TIME and Leaky GIVES IT TO HIM. Imagine that. Durbin goes to Voter ID opposition. Holder says voter ID "restricts people's ability to get to the polls". Say what? Durbin then yields back his time? Huh?
Second Round asked for. Very Good.
Leaky is slurring his speech.
Leaky just called "real" life sentences "rare". Interesting comment there Mr. Leaky. Holder and Leaky agree that investing in criminals is a moral obligation and we must rehabilitate people. How about "really" PUNISHING THEM for what they do? How about we try THAT?
Leaky talks about 16 dollar muffins. Bill O just got some fodder for his show tonight. Holder justifies "conferences" and by extension the taxpayer money spent on them.
Grassley back up now.
He tagged Chuck for his use of "facts" regarding Wide Receiver. Grassley makes the point I did above. Well, he tries.
Grassley then goes back to Bruer on the "should have notified" front. Holder calls this a "mistake". He just busted Holder about Grindler and "what he was told". Enter Melson's name. And then Issa. Back to the Issa had to know too then - or they both didn't know.... I have never seen such a CIRCLE JERK that nobody will admit to no matter how OBVIOUS it is right there for all to see. Unreal.
Holder is back to stressing "tactics". Which then goes back to Lee's line of pressure where "tactics" had to be known as part of wiretaps. CIRCLE JERK CIRCLE JERK CIRCLE JERK. You cannot have it all both ways, Holder.
Coons steps back in now.
Holder spoke of LEO "breaking in" to people's houses and LEOs being shot while doing so. Maybe "breakin in" isn't such a good idea.....Now on to "bath salts". Drugs drugs drugs, oh the horror. Pass the Oxycontin and the propyl. Grace.
Do you know if the ATF lost track of weapons that got to Mexico? Holder is asked. Holder answers? I don't know. Hims is avoiding some more PERJURY with that.
Cornyn back now.
He and Holder "quibble" about the difference between "inaccurate" and "false". Did the person who wrote this letter......been disciplined"? Who IS THAT? Holder does not answer and defers to the IG again. Holder is asked about Bruer's access to this letter.
Cornyn asks if Holders knows the difference, the factual difference between Wide Receiver and GunWalker. Are you winging this or do you know? OUCH. Holder just firebombed Chuck Schumer's attempt to deflect this onto Bush. HILARIOUS! Cornyn just SLAM DUNKS the point I made above. Holder just said he is NOT trying to equate Wide Receiver and GunWalker. Me thinks William La Jueness is regretting talking about this "grilling" in the past tense.
Thank You Mr. Cornyn. THAT is what this hearing should be filled with.
Cornyn asks again about accountability on the individual level. Again he points to the IG investigation.
Droning Diaper Boy is up now. He goes antitrust. Then he goes to bullying of gays in school. Diaper boy seems not to understand that thing called age of consent. I'll leave that there. Student non discrimination act? Like punishing them for defending themselves? Like denying their right to do so and pretending they do not have a right to defend themselves? I digress, sorry.
Leaky back up now. "Everything has been said." he says. Remember at the beginning when I talked about a Freudian slip? I was right about that, huh? All in all, this "hearing" demonstrated the circle jerk that is The GunWalker Scandal. Deny deny deny deny and pretend that what is right there isn't actually there. Ridiculous.
Here is a video worth watching.
As I take note of Grassley's Pigford position, and as I think Grassley's "deal", which i wrote about on this thread once already, earns him something less than praise I can understand why JW would offer praises.
That someone does some things wrong doesn't mean everything they do is wrong.
Here is a BG link to Judicial Watches story.
One thing is for sure, it is impossible to separate two topics, illegal immigration and GunWalker, here. They go hand in hand because it is illegal immigration, more specifically our open border, combined with GunWalker, that finally brought this Scandal to a head, to a point where not even ATF officials could stomach what was going on any longer.
With all due respect Mr. Grassley, Barry is doing a good bit more than "pushing the envelope". He is a blatant usurper, on so very many levels. In order to uphold your Oath, that you yourself talk about, You must engage the microphones and the cameras every day and you must tell us all just exactly what you know. Your peers in the Senate must do the same, or be called out as unwilling to do so, and so too must the membership of the House.
I'll give you some credit for what you are doing, and I appreciate it. However, there is much more that could be done, and you, Sir, know that just as much as I do. It is time to put the politics down and put honesty FIRST. This Scandal is not a political football. Justice is DUE, Sir, and Justice intentionally delayed is Justice intentionally denied.
You spoke about :chatter: , well, I submit that you have engaged in that very same action regarding The GunWalker Scandal. You are doing your own political dance with that, just as Barry, and Holder, is with GunWalker. Please stop beating around the bush.
I want so very much to support what you are doing. How about something concrete, something other than vague platitudes, so us lowly Citizens can do exactly that? You once did that, with your "hold", but then you stood it down, foolishly, on a "promise" and then you got bit. Why? Like you didn't know you wold get bit? Heck, even I knew you would get bit! And why do you go along to get along now even after you were bitten?
I suggest that you get right to the point with direct and unambiguous questions tomorrow when Janet Naplitano appears before you. You have an opportunity to do something substantial, and I am eager to see you do exactly that. It is my hope you do so, but, honestly, I am left to wonder if you will take her to task with direct questioning of SUBSTANCE. I want nothing more than to be wrong about this, but I expect same old same old ambiguity. Please, please show me those feeling are without merit, instead of supporting them with a convenient "letting her off the hook". Please. No speeches, no filibustering through your time......use every second, every millisecond second, for pointed and direct questions that have consequential answers.
I want you to be a hero here Mr. Grassley, and tomorrow you certainly can be. I guess we will see if you choose to do the right thing, huh? Today you gave the speech, tomorrow you have to put it right to Janet......so we can see Hillary finally enter the picture.
Yes, Holder lied. But, so too have others and it is past time for admission of that and punishment for it, along with punishment for what was done, to come to pass. BTW, "making sure nothing like this happens again" is all fine and dandy, but THAT is not Justice for what has already happened.
And no, we should not be "ruled" over. We are to be governed by our consent, which is as limited as government itself. There is a BIG difference there, Mr. Grassley.
You have plenty of ammunition, Sir, so pull the trigger.
That all this will be 'disappeared' by early to mid next year. The republicans aren't going to want to look 'mean' in an election year and the gov't will make it go away for Barry so he can get re-elected. As will the "media". : (
Edit: ...and why do my forum post's keep going to the top of the thread? Ah ernt speshul.
David Codrea posted something compelling.....
Oversight Committee subpoenas Holder
(Full text of the subpoena within)
Reading through all the demands, I have to say that other Alphabet soup heads have to be puckering bigtime.
Common sense tells us that something of this magnitude could not have gone on without cooperation among the executive branch agencies, bureaus and departments. FBI, DEA, ATF and DOJ are already named openly. BO and ICE are too, kind of. State and CIA are just left out? Really? NSC/NSA too? Hardly. All the heads knew about this soas to facilitate it.
Janet and Hillary especially had to know so as to facilitate the across border walking. There just isn't any way they didn't know.
Now, to believe that none of them knew is to admit that the historic reorganization and expansion of government known as the Department of Homeland Security was a total fraud and/or a total failure. For it was created, it was endeavored, to specifically stop the very "we didn't know" excuse from carrying and holding any water.
So which is it? Is the entire undertaking a meaningless and fruitless undertaking? We are to believe now that none of the billions spent, none of the reorganizing of authority and none of the application of responsibility had any affect on the "who is responsible" front? Seriously?
This while it was so very effective in stopping a vicious international assassination of diplomats plot? The reorg was fruitful regarding lands thousands of miles away, regarding a closed government that is a self declared enemy, but it was ineffective regarding our next door neighbor who claims friendship? C'mon now.
Yes, it is past time for Holder to answer. However, it is also past time for Hillary and Janet, among others, to be asked. Either they both knew about this, signed off on it as a matter of serving at the pleasure of the Pres__ent - or- they had no clue and Barry usurped authority, acted outside his authority and committed acts of war against Mexico. There is no other choice but that one. Either Janet and Hillary knew, or they didn't and both situations have serious, deadly, meaningful and highly treasonous consequences. The differences rest in who is guilty.
Might someone answer a question for me, seeing as how I cannot even begin to understand the way about this what?
How can it be that John Boehner has not led, has not spoken directly about The GunWalker Scandal? How can it be that the Speaker of the House is still silent? What good is a Speaker who does not even speak to the people through the media much less on the House Floor to the record and his peers??
I realize that things of length are better off linked to rather than printed as a whole. However, for future reference, I offer it being here for viewing as a complete letter serves this thread well. There are things I say "It is about time someone said it" to and there are others I think "WTF???". My main beef with this letter (aside from it being just another strongly worded letter) is that it makes no bones about laying the entire thing, the complete responsibility, at the feet of Eric Holder alone.
To be sure, there is plenty of responsibility due him, and accountability as well, but it is just plain foolish to attempt to wash the whole thing away with a Holder punishment alone. Far too many more are guilty of their own malfeasance, and treason, in this than to assign all responsibility and accountability to Holder.
You read it and you be the judge - Even with just what is in this letter, a quite a few are due jail time. If there is to be only one, then it has to be "The One"....or is that "The Won"? ;)
Dear Attorney General Holder:
From the beginning of the congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious, the Department of Justice has offered a roving set of ever-changing explanations to justify its involvement in this reckless and deadly program. These defenses have been aimed at undermining the investigation. From the start, the Department insisted that no wrongdoing had occurred and asked Senator Grassley and me to defer our oversight responsibilities over its concerns about our purported interference with its ongoing criminal investigations. Additionally, the Department steadfastly insisted that gunwalking did not occur.
Once documentary and testimonial evidence strongly contradicted these claims, the Department attempted to limit the fallout from Fast and Furious to the Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). When that effort also proved unsuccessful, the Department next argued that Fast and Furious resided only within ATF itself, before eventually also assigning blame to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona. All of these efforts were designed to circle the wagons around DOJ and its political appointees.
To that end, just last month, you claimed that Fast and Furious did not reach the upper levels of the Justice Department. Documents discovered through the course of the investigation, however, have proved each and every one of these claims advanced by the Department to be untrue. It appears your latest defense has reached a new low. Incredibly, in your letter from Friday you now claim that you were unaware of Fast and Furious because your staff failed to inform you of information contained in memos that were specifically addressed to you. At best, this indicates negligence and incompetence in your duties as Attorney General. At worst, it places your credibility into serious doubt.
Following the Committee’s issuance of a subpoena over six months ago, I strongly believed that the Department would fully cooperate with Congress and support this investigation with all the means at its disposal. The American people deserve no less. Unfortunately, the Department’s cooperation to date has been minimal. Hundreds of pages of documents that have been produced to my Committee are duplicative, and hundreds more contain substantial redactions, rendering them virtually worthless. The Department has actively engaged in retaliation against multiple whistleblowers, and has, on numerous occasions, attempted to disseminate false and misleading information to the press in an attempt to discredit this investigation.
Your letter dated October 7 is deeply disappointing. Instead of pledging all necessary resources to assist the congressional investigation in discovering the truth behind the fundamentally flawed Operation Fast and Furious, your letter instead did little but obfuscate, shift blame, berate, and attempt to change the topic away from the Department’s responsibility in the creation, implementation, and authorization of this reckless program. You claim that, after months of silence, you “must now address these issues” over Fast and Furious because of the harmful discourse of the past few days. Yet, the only major development of these past few days has been the release of multiple documents showing that you and your senior staff had been briefed, on numerous occasions, about Fast and Furious.
The Mexican Cartels
A month after you became Attorney General, you spoke of the danger of the Mexican drug cartels, and the Sinaloa cartel in particular. The cartels, you said, “are lucrative, they are violent, and they are operated with stunning planning and precision.” You promised that under your leadership “these cartels will be destroyed.” You vowed that the Department of Justice would “continue to work with [its] counterparts in Mexico, through information sharing, training and mutual cooperation to jointly fight these cartels, both in Mexico and the United States.”
Under your leadership, however, Operation Fast and Furious has proven these promises hollow. According to one agent, Operation Fast and Furious “armed the cartel. It is disgusting.” Fast and Furious simply served as a convenient means for dangerous cartels to acquire upwards of 2,000 assault-style weapons. On top of that, the Government of Mexico was not informed about Fast and Furious. In fact, DOJ and ATF officials actively engaged in hiding information about Fast and Furious from not only Mexican officials, but also U.S. law enforcement officials operating in Mexico for fear that they would inform their Mexican counterparts. This strategy is inapposite and contradicts the promises you made to the American people.
Your September 7, 2011 Statement
On September 7, 2011, you said that “[t]he notion that [Fast and Furious] reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that at this point I don't think is supported by the facts and I think once we examine it and once the facts are revealed we'll see that's not the case.” Unfortunately, the facts directly contradict this statement.
Lanny Breuer, the Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, clearly a member of the Department’s senior leadership, knew about Fast and Furious as early as March 2010. In fact, I have learned that the amount of detail shared with Breuer’s top deputies about Fast and Furious is simply astounding.
For example, Manuel Celis-Acosta was the “biggest fish” of the straw purchasing ring in Phoenix. From the time the investigation started in September 2009 until March 15, 2010, Manuel Celis-Acosta acquired at least 852 firearms valued at around $500,000 through straw purchasers. Yet in 2009, Celis-Acosta reported an Arizona taxable income of only $15,475. Between September 2009 and late January 2010, 139 of these firearms were recovered, 81 in Mexico alone. Some of these firearms were recovered less than 24 hours after they were bought.
This information, and hundreds of pages worth of additional information, was included in highly detailed wiretap applications sent for authorization to Breuer’s top deputies. It is my understanding, the Department applied to the United States District Court for the District of Arizona for numerous wire taps from March 2010 to July 2010. These wire tap applications were reviewed and approved by several Deputy Assistant Attorney Generals, including Kenneth A. Blanco, John C. Keeney, and Jason M. Weinstein. Breuer’s top deputies approved these wiretap applications to be used against individuals associated with the known drug cartels. As I understand it, the wire tap applications contain rich detail of the reckless operational tactics being employed by your agents in Phoenix. Although Breuer and his top deputies were informed of the operational details and tactics of Fast and Furious, they did nothing to stop the program. In fact, on a trip to Mexico Breuer trumpeted Fast and Furious as a promising investigation.
Gary Grindler, the then-Deputy Attorney General and currently your Chief of Staff, received an extremely detailed briefing on Operation Fast and Furious on March 12, 2010. In this briefing, Grindler learned such minutiae as the number of times that Uriel Patino, a straw purchaser on food stamps who ultimately acquired 720 firearms, went in to a cooperating gun store and the amount of guns that he had bought. When former Acting ATF Director Ken Melson, a career federal prosecutor, learned similar information, he became sick to his stomach:
I had pulled out all Patino's -- and ROIs is, I'm sorry, report of investigation -- and you know, my stomach being in knots reading the number of times he went in and the amount of guns that he bought. Transcribed interview of Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson at 42.
At the time of his briefing in March of last year, Grindler knew that Patino had purchased 313 weapons and paid for all of them in cash. Unlike Melson, Grindler clearly saw nothing wrong with this. If Grindler had had the sense to shut this investigation down right then, he could have prevented the purchase of an additional 407 weapons by Patino alone. Instead, Grindler did nothing to stop the program.
Following this briefing, it is clear that Grindler did one of two things. Either, he alerted you to the name and operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case your May 3, 2011 testimony in front of Congress was false; or, he failed to inform you of the name and the operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case Grindler engaged in gross dereliction of his duties as Acting Deputy Attorney General. It is fair to infer from the fact that Grindler remains as your Chief of Staff that he did not engage in gross dereliction of his duties and told you about the program as far back as March of 2010.
In the summer of 2010, at the latest, you were undoubtedly informed about Fast and Furious. On at least five occasions you were told of the connection between Fast and Furious and a specific Mexican cartel – the very cartel that you had vowed to destroy. You were informed that Manuel Celis-Acosta and his straw purchasers were responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels. Yet, you did nothing to stop this program.
You failed to own up to your responsibility to safeguard the American public by hiding behind “[a]ttorneys in [your] office and the Office of the Deputy Attorney General,” who you now claim did not bring this information to your attention. Holder Letter, supra note 1. As a result of your failure to act on these memos sent to you, nearly 500 additional firearms were purchased under Fast and Furious.
The facts simply do not support any claim that Fast and Furious did not reach the highest levels of the Justice Department. Actually, Fast and Furious did reach the ultimate authority in the Department – you.
Your May 3, 2011 Statement
On May 3, 2011, I asked you directly when you first knew about the operation known as Fast and Furious. You responded directly, and to the point, that you weren’t “sure of the exact date, but [you] probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.” This statement, made before Congress, has proven to be patently untrue. Documents released by the Department just last week showed that you received at least seven memos about Fast and Furious starting as early as July 2010.
In your letter Friday, you blamed your staff for failing to inform you about Operation Fast and Furious when they reviewed the memos sent to you last summer. Your staff, therefore, was certainly aware of Fast and Furious over a year ago. Lanny Breuer was aware of Fast and Furious as early as March 2010, and Gary Grindler was also aware of Fast and Furious as early as March 2010. Given this frequency of high level involvement with Fast and Furious as much as a year prior to your May 3, 2011 testimony, it simply is not believable that you were not briefed on Fast and Furious until a few weeks before your testimony. At the very least, you should have known about Fast and Furious well before then. The current paper trail, which will only grow more robust as additional documents are discovered, creates the strong perception that your statement in front of Congress was less than truthful.
The February 4, 2011 Letter
Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this intransigence is that the Department of Justice has been lying to Congress ever since the inquiry into Fast and Furious began. On February 4, 2011, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote that “ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transport into Mexico.” This letter, vetted by both the senior ranks of ATF as well as the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, is a flat-out lie.
As we understand it, in March 2010, top deputies to Lanny Breuer were informed that law enforcement officers intercepted calls that demonstrated that Manuel Celis-Acosta was conspiring to purchase and transport firearms for the purpose of trafficking the firearms from the United States into Mexico. Not only was ATF aware of this information, but so was the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. This information was shared with the Criminal Division. All of these organizations are components of the Department of Justice, and they were all aware of the illegal purchase of firearms and their eventual transportation into Mexico.
These firearms were not interdicted. They were not stopped. Your agents allowed these firearms purchases to continue, sometimes even monitoring them in person, and within days some of these weapons were being recovered in Mexico. Despite widespread knowledge within its senior ranks that this practice was occurring, when asked on numerous occasions about the veracity of this letter, the Department has shockingly continued to stand by its false statement of February 4, 2011.
Mr. Attorney General, you have made numerous statements about Fast and Furious that have eventually been proven to be untrue. Your lack of trustworthiness while speaking about Fast and Furious has called into question your overall credibility as Attorney General. The time for deflecting blame and obstructing our investigation is over. The time has come for you to come clean to the American public about what you knew about Fast and Furious, when you knew it, and who is going to be held accountable for failing to shut down a program that has already had deadly consequences, and will likely cause more casualties for years to come.
Operation Fast and Furious was the Department’s most significant gun trafficking case. It related to two of your major initiatives – destroying the Mexican cartels and reducing gun violence on both sides of the border. On your watch, it went spectacularly wrong. Whether you realize yet or not, you own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.
Sincerely,
Darrell Issa
Chairman
Have you seen the Eric Allie political cartoon? Says it all and funny!
Fast and Furious weapons were found in Mexico cartel enforcer's home
October 8, 2011, 8:46 p.m.Reporting from Washington— High-powered assault weapons illegally purchased under the ATF's Fast and Furious program in Phoenix ended up in a home belonging to the purported top Sinaloa cartel enforcer in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, whose organization was terrorizing that city with the worst violence in the Mexican drug wars.
In all, 100 assault weapons acquired under Fast and Furious were transported 350 miles from Phoenix to El Paso, making that West Texas city a central hub for gun traffickers. Forty of the weapons made it across the border and into the arsenal of Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, a feared cartel leader in Ciudad Juarez, according to federal court records and trace documents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
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As media is finally being pulled into reporting on that which it has attempted to shush for almost a year now, as it tries to make Holder the news excuse (in a long line of failed excuses), the effort to combat Old Media with New Media goes on.
The 90% lie, the Iron River lie, was concocted to support the failing gun control agenda. Something needed to support the ongoing agenda of control, which has so very little to do with just guns, and not unlike the way the DEA pads its statistics in its "war on drugs" by presenting pot busts as successes (while crack dealing rages) that justify ever increasing budgets, the highest levels of government decided that statistics were needed to support increased ATF budgets, and then additional Second Amendment violating legislation, had to be fabricated.
So guns were walked.
Enjoy these two offerings as we move from DOJ to State Department involvement.
Part Four on the way with this teaser-
"In Part 4 of "In at the beginning" we will explore the interface between the State Department and the CIA and the Gunwalker Plot. "
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Before this is over, every bureau, agency and department in the executive branch will be shown as involved. From the FBI to ICE to DEA to Border Patrol, everything Homeland Security, everything Executive, was involved. And who gives directions from the top down in the Executive Branch? Oh yeah, the EXECUTIVE! Imagine that.
And Barry says he "certainly" didn't know? Really? He expects people to believe that his entire Executive Branch acted outside his authority? EVERYBODY acted on their own and without his knowledge or approval? He really thinks that everyone in the Executive Branch, both appointed and lifers too, are going to fall on the sword for him? He expects Hillary to do so and the Clinton Legacy to end up being a sacrifice for Barry?
What was it Slick Willie said during the 2008 campaign?
Oh yeah.
Fairytale. Indeed. Barry is dreaming if he think Hillary exists politics in this country by falling on the sword for Obama. He truly is delusional if he thinks that is even a remote possibility.
SO, as this GunWalker Scandal plays out, finally, the choice seems pretty clear to me. Either EVERYBODY goes under the bus, or EVERYBODY throws Barry under the bus.
I know where I am placing my bet.
As an aside, I am torqued that the Speaker of the House apparently abso-smurfly refuses to SPEAK about this Scandal.
I find it quite ridiculous, bordering on the insane, that John Boehner remains silent and I view it is a protection of Barry' treasonous activity. What can he say about his silence, can he join Eric Holder in saying he isn't aware? Sheesh.
Because the Speaker won't speak and because the GOP and Media are slowplaying this and doing their best to hush it all, I make the call for all TEA Partiers to have some parties - at every newspaper outlet near them. A demand made upon Old Media, in Bozell and MRC fashion is in order.
"Tell The Truth About GunWalker TEA Parties" are in order, imho. We The People do a disservice to posterity if we squander this opportunity to expose just how corrupt government and media have become. There literally is no better example of it all, than this.
ETA- I wonder how many people will catch the name of a certain reporter who was accosted in Egypt and think, well, "things that make you go hmmmmm". Interesting how she has since been so very, very quiet about, well everything, huh? (Notice, I make no aspersions toward her whatsoever!) Kinda makes one wonder a wee bit, well explains a bit, why Sharyl is being "shielded" by CBS now, after being openly berated by the White House, and then having the courage to tell the truth about that happening eh? Sure, there could be a amazing coinky dink there, but it sure would be awwwwwwwwfullllllllly convenient..... Ill admit, at first I was, like, dang, there goes CBS spiking a story they had at least touched on. Then I got to thinking about Lara, what happened to her, and I got a gut sinking feeling. I am thinking CBS is ensuring her safety and good on them if that is what they are doing. I know I ain't right about everything, though I sure try to strive in that direction, but I have learned to trust my gut when I think things through. I certainly have some gut feelings about this tangent that I dare not share.
Where are the ATF offices ya know the sister cell offices that are in Texas? New Mexico? California?
Jack Bauer comments on the wimpy pdf.yt 0:07
WELL WELL l@@k at this:
White House sends Hill Fast & Furious docs, but withholds some
These internal NSS emails are not included in the enclosed documents because the [Executive Office of the President] has significant confidentiality interests in its internal communications," Ruemmler wrote in a letter to House Oversight & Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa). The letter, posted here, was obtained Friday by POLITICO.
Yeah the Arizona GRIT map is rather breathtaking - and not in a good way. I sent Katie Pavlich's article showcasing the map to Drudge. Hopefully it will be the headline graphic soon.
Can you say lying to Congress?
This better get Faster and Furiouser (ha!) p.d.q.
Each drum magazine holds about 75-100 rounds of ammo – it depends on the caliber, and each retails for about $200. Mostly sold at gun shows and they’ll sell out within an hour after the doors open and mostly to “suspicious looking” individuals…..
.....Yup the 2 nd amendment is for law enforcement only...
Timing would be good because we should indict our Phoenix case in late Sept/early Oct. We also have a press conference in late August in Phoenix announcing the arrest of approx 40 straw purchasers in a dozen separate cases.
I didn't read anything about this?
Page 55...The most insteresting e-mail, more on the pdf
Want to give you a good example of the frustration we have in trying to assist Mexico with the firearms trafficking issue. In this judicial district (Arizona), in cases involving the "straw" purchase of firearms eventually recovered in Mexico and where we only have a confession by the "straw" and a falsified ATF F 4473 (form filled out by buyer and licensed gun dealer), the U.S. Attorney's office requests that we have a "U.S. Agent" physically inspect the firearms in Mexico in order to show the jury that the "straw" buyer was in fact part of a trafficking scheme. Other districts don't require this but hey it's Arizona, I appreciate and respect the struggles the USAO has to go through with juries in this State to convince them of the illegality of this....
more
We had these guns entered into our "Suspect Guns" system so when they were traced
in eTrace they "pinged" off this "Suspect Guns" list and our case agent was immediately notified.
Mexico's fault..
We want to hold them accountable under US law but it won't take many more times of having doors slammed in their faces by the Mexicans before they give up and when that happens Mexico can stop complaining because we tried and they failed.
Bill Newell
Bureaucrats, have some lunch..
How about lunch one day. We r getting a powerpoint for the high level meeting on oct 5th also. R u going for that meeting.
I hope to go.
Jeffrey B. Stirling
Page 76, Time to screw the private gun persons.
1 Revocation was recommended.
109 warning letters or warning conferences were completed
69 licensees voluntarily surrendered their license
reasons for surrendered their licenses.... Looks like TYPICAL paper problems.
Reasons for licensee surrenders:
1) Allowed the ‘transfer’ of his FFL to another business entity (unlicensed). Choose to
surrender due to the possibility of revocation.
2) FFL stated that he did not make enough money from the business.
3) Original application indicated he planned to operate as a corporation. The inspection
revealed operation was structured as a sole proprietorship. The FFL was advised that he
would need to reapply for a type 01 as a sole proprietor. FFL voluntarily surrendered
license.
4) FFL surrendered license. FFL was located in an apartment complex and that particular
location did not allow him to use the property for any other purpose.
5) FFL surrendered license due to poor health.
6) FFL surrendered license due to the fact that he discontinued the use of A&D record since
1999 (revocation would have been recommended).
7) FFL surrendered license due to financial and undisclosed issues.
8) FFL deceased.
NSS
PAGE 93 has the map/chart I was looking for...gawd guns everywhere. Oh there is another chart like this for Texas however it ain't in this document dump.
84 agents and this is what they generate after months and months....
Document Dump: White House in Heavy Communication About Operation Fast and Furious - yesterday from TownHall in conjunction with CBS News
I've heard it speculated on many occasions that Gunwalker was created to feed the meme that the US was Mexico's gun problem but I have to say the most "out of the box" observation was from a commenter on PJMedia.
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To the best of my knowledge, no previous U.S. Administration has ever destabilized the government of a putatively friendly foreign power purely for domestic political gain.
The closest you can get would be the revolutionary movement in what is now Panama, that the U.S. nurtured to gain that area’s independence (from Nicaragua) to facilitate building the Panama Canal. But that was a pre-existing revolutionary movement with pre-existing complaints against the Nicaraguan government, that did not include stopping them from selling illegal drugs.
The gains Obama & Co. seem to be seeking come in three flavors. Ranked in order of time-criticality from their POV, they are most likely;
1. (Short-term); Increased illegal immigration from Mexico as people attempt to flee the increasing violence (allowing them to push the DREAM Act through, and “stacking the deck” in the next election, via’ ACORN and SEIU);
2. (Medium-term); Propaganda for tighter gun laws (possibly enacted by Executive Order, bypassing the Congress);
3. (Long-term); Legalization of “recreational drugs”, helped by a “drug friendly” Mexican government, influenced by if not overtly controlled by the drug cartels.
I strongly suspect that (3) is the ultimate objective, with (1) and (2) being seen (at least by Obama & Co.) as “stepping-stones” to attaining it.
Obama seeks to remake the United States in his own weird image. And he has absolutely no grasp of consequences. This is simply one more example of his predilection for high-stakes risk-taking in pursuit of his dogmas, and his near-total disconnection from reality.
clear ether
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from Townhall. Bombshell is right.
If they'd just use this tactic with the Education Department and EPA...
and a few deaths to prompt dissolution.
That, and an election. After all, he's campainin'!
ATF- stop complainin'. Stop cryin'! Start fightin'! Or, walkin'. Or maybe, lookin' for a new job. 'Cause we ain't gonna do no hirin'. We're firin'! (Truly metaphor-rich, this topic.)
My apologies if this has been mentioned somewhere in the thread already, I've been meaning to ask you guys a question and keep forgetting.
Does anyone remember in the summer of '09 that Dem pols were carrying on about how the violence in Mexico was due to American guns? I remember thinking, "WTF are they talking about? That's ludicrous" and wondering how the hell they thought anyone was going to swallow that load of bull.
According to what I've read, they already had this gunrunning operation in place when they started the chatter blaming Mexican drug violence on the availability of American guns. I'm going to try to do a little research on it later if it hasn't already been done, but I wanted to mention it while I was thinking about it, before I forgot again.
Got it..
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-g...
From your link: In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.
That name made bells clang, and of course, Newell was the SAC in Phoenix, and the first layer of cover-up in the fiasco that has become F&F. Partial testimony here.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Run with it Bru...
Because we were in CR at the time, and met a nice lady from Honduras (remember when Hillary & Barry were on the wrong side of that little dust-up)?
We had a really long conversation with her, and that was one of the things we talked about. Hillary/Barry/Calderone were in agreement that the gun problem in Mexico was solely our fault. You shouldn't have any trouble finding that.
I read somewhere on line (recently) that F&F was the prelude to some kind of "emergency gun control law", and that there are actual e-mails floating around concerning the planning for the implementation of the big gun grab. Do some googling on that as well.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/flashback-obama-blames-us-guns-f...
I knew someone would remember and do some digging. When F&F first popped up on the radar it made me think of that Dem meme from a couple of years before, but as time passed and I didn't see anyone making the connection I started wondering. Obama & Co. must be hatin' on the internet right now. LOL
:)
Just like the (alas, now lost) original Health Care Debate threads.....Ashrak's forum will also chart the slow unfolding of the Fast and Furious saga....with all of the media's complicity to allow the Obama administration to cover it up and sweep it under the rug.
Truly, once we get hold of this government, new rules need to be instituted to hold those people criminally liable....the government employees, and agency heads (Holder) who allow this kind of stuff to go on, as well as those bureaucrats in the federal system who approved and encouraged the Solyndra loans, as well as other misappropriation and fraud in the spending of government funds.
As long as the government protects its (union) workforce, allowing them to laterally transfer to escape being held accountable for our actions, nothing will change.
We have to keep fighting the good fight.
Drudge puts one up front and center - "Taxpayers paid for Fast and Furious"
It links to a FOXNews story about the piece I posed earlier.
Gee, why are we back to "a possible government shutdown" in the mainstream media again?
The Solyndra Scandal attempt to hush the REAL Scandal having failed miserably, only serving to demonstrate just how much GunWalker really has been covered up, now we are back to the same three year old "crisis" in Washington trying to create a vacuum that sucks up all the "reporting" time.
As always,
Articles of Impeachment should have already been filed.
Oh and, "Authorized Journalists" just SUCK. It is Time to Tell the Truth!
Thanks goes to all those writers out there trying to save the journalism profession by doing just that!
the PJMedia/Gun Rights Examiner link (Fox neglected to mention the people who've been working to break it)
edit : ah I see you've got the same link in the post above it. I didn't realize the entire chunk of text was clickable until now.
In June 2010, however, the ATF dramatically upped the ante, making the U.S. government the actual "seller" of guns.
Bary lied when he said he didn't know, so did Holder and Now Hillary too? Hillary acted without Barry's knowledge? And you think she will take the fall for him? Seriously? Not hardly.
Acts of war were committed when they knew straw buyers were straw buyers, warned by retailers who were threatened to go through with the sales and the guns were watched walked across the border.
Barry may well have issued his executive order about the ZETAS trying to bring after the fact justification on that front, but that is gonna fail as badly as the lies that have been told trying to cover this all up.
There is no way to have cake and eat it too on this one.
As for Iran doing it every day, We The People have no consent to revoke from the Ayatollahs. That power we hold as belonging to us pertains to our own government and this one is as corrupt as it can get.
Blonde- After watching the developments from within the Second Amendment Advocacy sector of New Media for about a month, my frustration at the lack of reportage compelled me to share it here. I am so glad I did so then and I am so encouraged to see so many add to this thread all along. You called it early on that it was gonna work out that way and there it is.
We all know here at NB that media is in the tank. Heck, that is the premise of this site to begin with. I don't think any other story spotlights just how deep in the tank it really is more than this GunWalker Scandal.
It was bad enough to witness Presidential Debates take place in 2008 absent Second Amendment conversation while such historic changes were brewing (incorporation). But I have to say, it sickened be to watch two full GOP debates, one even held by FOX News, and not one peep out of the "moderators", much less the candidates themselves, about this.
I submit that shows just how serious this really is. Serious enough to see Barry and his cabinet removed from their positions and many of them tried RICO style, if not straight up treason style.
If we as a nation are truly so far gone that this goes unpunished, then, sadly, this corruption will continue until another shot heard round the world happens. We are supposed to be smarter than that. We are supposed to be better than that. That Old Media will not, just will not, tell the truth about this means to me that We The People must inform each other about it until such time as more people know than do not know.
The First TEA party engagement takes place shortly in Arizona about this and that is a wonderful development. That fire has to catch! The time is NOW.
Any Republican who seeks election in 2012 had best stand up now or risk paying the price for not doing so.
(Ya got that John Boehner?)
Got the cartoon for the thread.
Oh my, this one too....
I'm sorry to say what I've suspected about Fox has been confirmed, and I am more than DISGUSTED at their so called "moderation" of their 2 debates. Now you know why. Chris Wallace is dead to me.
We need to continue to hammer the issue(s), post links, hit the "good" websites for updates (we have a whole lot of good ones on up the thread) and keep each other informed (here).
The other thing that I have been ranting about of late is the TOTAL LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY on the part of government employees. We all know Melson got shoved aside for his part in GunWalker (and to hopefully keep him from turning on Holder et al). But I'm also talking about Solyndra. WTH? The Solyndra execs take the Fifth, and the Committee says "adjourned"???? Haul the government drones out there to answer questions. Without government lawyers to advise them...do you get a lawyer if your boss asks you questions? WE are the employer here, and the Congress acts as our agent, representing us. These government workers would be prosecuted for extortion by a private lending institution if they were found to be in cahoots with the "borrower", as is the case here. Why not these bureaucrats?
Unless and until these scummy union government bureaucrats are held accountable, loss of job, pension, up to and including imprisonment, this insanity will continue. In fact, I think this is going to become my next cause celebre...and I intend on sharing my thoughts on the subject with Allen West.
Time to keep the pedal down. Call, write, attend Town Halls, and raise these issues, over, and over, and over, until they are included in everyone's "dialog" as the elections near.
Keep the faith, Ashrak, we'll get the bastards sooner or later.
Dang. That is exactly what I thought was going on...and it sucks!!
In June 2010, however, the ATF dramatically upped the ante, making the U.S. government the actual "seller" of guns.
No big deal iran does this every day.
Have a look at this....
The "botched sting", the "straw buyer" program lie has been blasted to the moon along with all the other lies told trying to cover up this treasonous Scandal.
Our own tax dollars were used by government employees to directly purchase firearms from the civilian market in order to directly transfer those weapons to cartel operatives with the specific intention to walk them across the border. This can only be the case if the intent is to increase, prove, that American civilian market purchased guns make it into Mexico.
As has been said all along by so many of us, Barry and his crew used the ATF to facilitate "proof" for the 90% lie touted by everyone from Holder to Clinton to Napalitano to Barry himself.
(Signature)
David Voth
ATF Group Supervisor
Phoenix Group VII"
As I have said so many times - Articles of Impeachment should have already been filed. Maybe now we understand better why they have not been. Maybe a quite a few more are caught up in this Scandal than any of us ever imagined. How is it possible that Issa has this letter but nobody out here in Citizen land were told about it? How could hearings have been held and this not discussed?
Can we see admitted now, especially by mainstream media, that this really is a Scandal of historic proportion and that a cover up bigger and more meaningful than Watergate (because people are DYING over political posturing) is taking place in the here and now?
The only thing "botched" is the cover up of the most blatant and insane assault upon the most sacred and important rights the people of this nation ever forced its government to recognize.
Barry administered government in this way - He saw our tax dollars taken from us against our will, used them to fund a political plan to pad statistics meant to be used to further infringe on the one right that protects all the others, the right to keep and bear arms.
Accountability is certainly due......and part of that means not only impeachment and conviction, for a whole host of actors going all the way to the occupier of the Oval Office, but for a growing number of coconspirators as well, is warranted, but so too is some serious consequence of jail time, and more, for OBVIOUS TREASON.
Mr. Issa, you now have some 'Splainin' of your own to do.
John Boehner, so too do you.
The first question I ask you both is -
How can this development not be viewed, and accurately understood, as the both of you, among others, actively participating in the ongoing cover up of the GunWalker Scandal?
The second question is this -
Will you now tell the truth about this treasonous Scandal and see justice served to all those, including yourselves if truly applicable, who have earned it with this treasonous assault on Individual Liberty?
The Executive Alphabets are all in on this, and the dam is indeed starting to break. Isn't it interesting that the most damning evidence so far comes out right in the heat of the ten year anniversary of 9-11?
I have said it before and I will say it again. Articles of Impeachment should have already been filed.
So where is the GOP? The same place the mainstream media has been through all of this - hiding under their desks wishing it would all just go away - at least until election time.
It just cannot get any more ridiculous than this - and that all members of the GOP are not out screaming their heads off about this into every microphone and every camera the come into contact with about this complete INSANITY, proves it.
And still, the Speaker of the HOUSE is as silent as Old media.
Ridiculous.
IN-deed. Thank You, Bob Owens. Great Piece.
I will say it again, Articles of Impeachment should have already been filed.
Whether it be guns in Indiana or grenades going south,there continues to be no doubt that The GunWalker Scandal was a national, indeed international, scheme intended to create statistics that support the trite old gun control lobby.
It matters not how many people die as a result of the gungrabbers failed policies, they just keep right on calling for the same old prohibitions that have been so instrumental in seeing innocent people disarmed while the criminals attack the disarmed and kill us relentlessly and without even so much as mild mitigation.
LEO is not bound to protect and defend us, they couldn't do so even if they were. Yet LEO's bosses keep us disarmed, especially here in Illinois, anyway.
I want to believe in and support government in its proper role and function. I want it to be successful in the tasks put to it within our Constitution. There can be no doubt that I am left wanting.
The GunWalker Scandal demonstrates so very perfectly what is so wrong with government today on so may levels. And that, my friends, is why the rug holding and the sweeping is being done as it is. Both Big Government progressives and their media enablers know that The GunWalker Scandal will literally destroy the progressive movement itself if it gets a full airing and those guilty are assigned their due punishments.
That progressives exist on "both sides of the aisle" can explain why the hush hush is happening. Both parties are trying to preserve the unjust power over us that they trade back and forth election cycle after election cycle. The GunWalker Scandal threatens to break that trade agreement and they all know it.
We all know that if Bush had pulled this stunt, this pathetic display of abuse of power, media and every democrat at ever level of government across this country would have pounded him daily. Notice how there are only a few Republicans apparently "allowed" to talk about this GunWalker Scandal? How can it be that Republican Party members have not been literally screaming bout this into every microphone and camera they find? The only answer can be that they have been told to stand down by leadership.
Here we have the 10 year anniversary of the most barbaric attack on our nation by Islamic Zealots in the midst of most barbaric assault upon individual liberty ever committed upon the Citizens of this nation, not to mention their lives and even the lives of Citizens of at least one other country, by the Executive Branch of our own government.
After 9-11, folks said we must "Never Forget". To this wickedness that is the Gunwalker Scandal, I say we must "Admit It".
Seems the NYT is running cover for Obama and the Holder Crime Enterprise (DOJ) by smearing Darryl Issa. If you can't beat 'em, slime 'em!
Does Holder get to hold up the rug while the media sweeps Fast and Furious underneath? (really bad pun intended)
By the way, did you see that Florida got its AAA rating back by cutting spending without raising taxes? Wonder why that didn't make that national news?
No I didn't see that (but I refuse to read the local mullet wrapper)...but one would think GOOD NEWS about oh, say, "Governor Upgrade" would make the national media in light of the national debt debate.
F&F is going to turn out to be bigger than Watergate, IF the media will do their bloody jobs!
P.S. Great AV!
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I lived in the land of the St. Pete Times for several years so I know what you are talking about with the newspapers in Florida.
I'll admit to a lot of pessimism about the next administration regardless of who wins. In that light Congress only has about 11-12 more months to make charges or the whole thing will go away. It will either be killed by Obama's second term (getting sick already) or by a Republican administration that just wants to move on.
Isn't it just like the government though - f--- UP, MOVE UP - pardon the fowl language
The ATF has promoted the ATF Deputy Director for Ops in the West, as well as two of the field supervisors involved.
Sounds like someone is trying to buy someones silence.
http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=...
Tuesdays hearing videos 1, 2 and 3
First, Special Agent in Charge William Newell, ATF, was questioned Tuesday, July 26th in which he noted that he contacted White House National Security staffer Kevin O'Reilly as early as September 2010. He went on to state that DHS, IRS, DEA, ATF, ICE, and Obama's DoJ were all involved in devising the strategy for this deadly operation.
Today, a video has re-surfaced of a joint press conference with Obama and Calderon in Mexico City in APRIL 2009, in which Obama states:
“Our focus is to work with Secretary Napolitano, Attorney General Holder, our entire Homeland Security team, ATF, border security, everybody who is involved with this to coordinate with our counterparts in Mexico to significantly ramp up our enforcement of existing laws. In fact, I’ve asked Eric Holder to do a complete review of how our current enforcement operations our working and make sure we are cutting down on the loop holes that are causing some of these drug trafficking problems. Last point I would make, is that there are going to be some opportunities where I think we can build some strong consensus I’ll give you one example and that is the issue of gun tracing, the tracing of bullets and ballistics and gun information that had been used in major crimes.”
I'm not sure how the White House and DoJ can claim they had no knowledge of this program until this year. Someone snagged their sweater and Issa has pulled the thread; this thing is about to come apart. Obama would be smart to start looking presidential and in his next prime-time address, announce the dismissal of Eric Holder and a full and complete investigation into the cover up. It might be the only thing that can save his miserable little presidency.
This is huge because of what it means when combined with post Katrina legislation regarding authority of the Commander in Chief over state National Guards, in spite of the state legislatures or Governors, when National Emergencies are declared by EO.
Soetoro effectively snatched National Guards away from the Governors of the several states and added to the cover up of GunWalker.
"I therefore determine that significant transnational criminal organizations constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States, and hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat."
Things just went from bad to worse. And a WHOOOOLE lot more just got "CLASSIFIED".
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